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For Dr. Margaret Flowers as for no one else President Obama's State of the Union last month was a call to action.  When she heard him say...

...if anyone from either party has a better approach [to health care reform] that will bring down premiums, bring down the deficit, cover the uninsured, strengthen Medicare for seniors, and stop insurance company abuses, let me know...

...she sprang into action. She knew just such an approach.  In fact it was an approach the president himself had explicitly advocated.  In her letter to him she quoted his June 2003 speech to the Illinois AFL-CIO:

I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program.  I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody.

When she didn’t hear back from the president, when a meeting could not be arranged (she was co-chair of an organization with 15,000 physician members), she decided to resort to direct action.  She and another lady doctor took to holding a sign up in venues where the president would be with the “Medicare for All” message.  What resulted was this Ghandi-like moment when she defied Big Brother and insisted on having the voice of the majority heard.  You should sample the lady's chutzpah:

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/...

When Bill Moyers saw this, being the only legitimate journalist left in America (with a pardon to Frontline), he sprang into action.  His interview with the doctor will introduce you to what appears to be one of the most extraordinary creatures to walk onto our national stage in quite some time:

http://www.pbs.org/...
From this performance I would make the following appraisal of Dr. Flowers:

--extremely low blink rate meaning extraordinary inner serenity
--charisma and personal charm
--utter lack of pretense
--extremely high intelligence
--extraordinary passion
--utter lack of political agenda
--she’s a pediatrician
--she has begun ACTS OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE

Her presentation is extremely powerful due to a kind of “relentless understatement,” she never engages in hyperbole, never accuses, never questions anybody’s motive, never engages in name calling, but on the other hand, she also never backs away from her commitment to the majority will, to medicare-for-all and for real reform that will introduce sanity into health care.

I would like to believe that there could be some campaign of civil disobedience that could force Congress to consider the will of the majority on health care reform.  I do believe Margaret Flowers could inspire this movement and be its spokesperson.  But how mad are people about this?  Civil disobedience ranges from speaking out of turn at a Congressional committee to marching in Birmingham despite a ban to setting oneself on fire to protest a war.  

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Originally posted to Turing on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 05:14 PM PST.

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    •  Thanks for this Turing - a very interesting video (3+ / 0-)
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      Angie in WA State, bmcphail, CMYK

      Both Margaret Flowers and Carol Paris are genuine and engaging people, and you get a sense of their conviction and determination from the video. It seemed that the police were reluctant to arrest them - usually an incident like that is handled much more quickly.

      Also, how many sidewalks in Baltimore are private property?

      nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect

      by erratic on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 05:50:23 PM PST

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      •  WE SIMPLY STOP BUYING (0+ / 0-)

        thaat is all the 'protest' America will need..just watch it happen when the magnitude of their ripoffs becomes clear.

        People wont be able to afford to buy anything new. Business will dry up, and homes will sit empty as family after family is evicted because of medical costs. Politicians constituencies will disappear.

        WHAT exactly do insurers give us? (besides denying care) What value do they add BESIDES raising prices SO high that THEY exist? Please, WHAT?

        by Andiamo on Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 02:06:49 PM PST

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  •  will not work (4+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, VClib, Cynic in seattle, soms

    this aint the 60s...

    you honestly think mitch mcconnel would go "oh they're marching in new york I guess I should start voting in a way that will ensure ill be primaried out"

    what would make you think this?

    didn't the extreme failure of anti-war protests teach anyone anything?

    •  You May Be Thinking of Demonstrating (8+ / 0-)

      Civil disobedience is disruptive action on vital or high visibility services. Might be legal in the case of some strikes, or illegal as with the lunch counter sit-ins, draft center breakins etc.

      Civil disobedience could still be effective but there needs to be something to disrupt, and it helps greatly if a modest sized disruption was an indicator of a potentially much larger denial of some kind of service.

      And of course thousands of people need to be prepared for criminal prosecution.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 05:41:55 PM PST

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    •  hell . . . (4+ / 0-)

      you honestly think mitch mcconnel would go "oh they're marching in new york I guess I should start voting in a way that will ensure ill be primaried out"

      . . . civil disobedience won't even move the Democratic machinery.  Just remember how fond people like John Conyers were of calling the Capitol Police when faced with uppity constituents.

      We must not disturb the kabuki by taking it seriously.

    •  The anti-war protests stopped the draft (4+ / 0-)

      Without marches, demonstrations, sit-ins, etc. We ain't gonna get no single-payer. As a matter of fact, we ain't gonna get no public option.

      All we gonna get is the corporate mandate -- being forced to buy insurance from private enterprise. And it's likely we won't even get the corporate mandate. THere will probably be no health care reform. The upcoming jobs bill will be nothing but federal cash lining corporate pockets with their promise that they'll hire more Americans. Just watch the meltdown of a reasonable jobs bill after the Senate is done with it. Wall*Street reform? Don't make me laugh.

      Ant it's all because we won't make our voices heard with force.

      •  whatever helps you sleep at night (0+ / 0-)

        i have no idea, besides bad and LIMITED sources, what would cause a person to think "oh they were about to institute a nation-wide draft but they turned on the TV and saw a protest and then nixxed it"

        •  Silly! (5+ / 0-)

          The anti-war movement STOPPED an existing draft. The anti-war movement was in the 1960s, not in the 2000s.  

        •  I don't know how old you are, but the fact is (6+ / 0-)

          that all of those protests and marches and the hippies getting arrested was on the damn broadcast news night after night after...

          Well, a long time.

          Which started the rest of the people talking to each other, and eventually, to their elected officials - by the hundreds of thousands - until even President Nixon could no longer ignore the Will of the people, and found a way to bring our uniformed military home from Viet Nam.

          There's a damn good reason why the 1st Amendment reads:

          Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

          [emphasis added]

          It's is the one thing that no amount of money from business can beat - the endless images of average Americans, marching together, speaking out en masse to their duly elected officials, in full sight of the entire world - and demanding an answer from those same elected officials.

        •  miscommunication (1+ / 0-)
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          i heard people say the 2003/4/5/etc marches caused the Bush admin to forgo a draft...

          I dismissed it at the time, and I saw something that SOUNDED like that (my bad) and thus responded to it

          the protests surely had an impact on the draft half a century ago...but that was half a century ago

          but, as I said...this aint the 60s

      •  Here's the problem (3+ / 0-)
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        with using Vietnam as analogy.

        A majority of the American people are perfectly content with the insurance and the medical system as is. They  vaguely understand it must be fixed they just don't want it fixed so that it affects them. Vietnam, towards the end everybody knew it was a mistake and ever male over the age of 18 hated the draft.

        Also lets not forget the vietnam protest were the beginnings of the culture wars we still fight to this day. And certainly part of the reason liberal became a swear word.

        All that said would I go back and protest the war all over again? Yes.

        In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

        by jsfox on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 07:02:35 PM PST

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        •  A Majority of Who?Content?Fear of rocking the (3+ / 0-)
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          Boat is much much closer to the truth.
           Most Americans live in fear of the absolute power that insurance cartels wield. Especially those who don't get their insurance through a large corporation that at least has some buying power due to volume of payers.
           "Perfectly content". This is just one story that has been spinning around unchecked.
           A perfectly executed campaign, unnoticed and devastating to reform.

          •  Saying this - (1+ / 0-)
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            Most Americans live in fear of the absolute power that insurance cartels wield.

            Does not make it so. The fact you may think it proves nothing. Show most american give there insurance much thought at all until they need it and maybe I'll be the fear line.

            In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

            by jsfox on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 08:04:22 PM PST

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            •  What's that old line. Can we just settle this our (1+ / 0-)
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              selves? Keep the insurance company out of this? I'm afraid my insurance with go up.
               Isn't that a regrettable part of every day speech when it comes to the choice of actually using your insurance.
               I agree, that my saying this isn't proof.
               I wasn't trying to prove anything.
               When people get sick or have some kind of accident or whatever, their fear of what the insurance companies might do is real.
               Most people do realize that they would have a considerably heftier paycheck if insurace didn't cost so much.
               If you haven't experienced any of this you're very lucky.

          •  I think its fear of not having health insurance.. (2+ / 0-)
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            ...or financial afford insurance especially due to ongoing confusing changes in who,where,when, and how you can or not receive medical care. Add to that double digit percentage increase every year for past 5-6yrs then on top of that the shock of the financial collapse most of us are holding our breath fearing the worst but have hope that our congress but more realistically believing only the Dems have our interests in their minds. Good god almighty you'd have to be a far-right wingbat to be satisfied with the status quo of health insurance. It is eating away at our living budgets.

            Our nations quality of life is based on the rightousness of its people.

            by kalihikane on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 09:43:02 PM PST

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            •  The corporations are eating away at our budgets (0+ / 0-)

              Many people aho would like to start a business of their own simply can't afford to.
              The cost of health care is carefully controlled by an Industry that's incentive is geared  to maximize profits  We will never acheive the least expensive and highest quality health care with these incentives in place.
               I read a comment by a man who was angry and fearful that HCR would somehow degrade his private health care insurance. He said he loved his health care. Price and all. I wonder how much more salary he would take home if he wasn't paying 30% just for profits to Insurance cartels.

      •  Today's msm would not cover the (1+ / 0-)
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        anti-war demonstrations and they'll ignore any civil disobedience action plus there will be many more aggressive police state arrests, including people who would be doing nothing more than observing the demonstrations.

        "Sisters, brothers and the whities, Black and the crackers, Police and their backers, They're all political actors"--Curtis Mayfield

        by Cynic in seattle on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 07:31:46 PM PST

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    •  I think whatever form of public disobediance... (0+ / 0-)

      ...we engage in is probably directed at the Dems in congress and POTUS. They are the ones that need to be pushed to overcome the Repubs especially when most Dem pundits think there is a way to get it down its just their will to do so that is lacking. Don't waste time trying to convince the party of NO.

      Our nations quality of life is based on the rightousness of its people.

      by kalihikane on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 08:44:40 PM PST

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  •  Civil disobedience would spark violence. (1+ / 0-)
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    I say no.  

    Strength of character does not consist solely of having powerful feelings, but in maintaining one's balance in spite of them - Clausewicz

    by SpamNunn on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 05:22:10 PM PST

  •  Nope. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    burrow owl, soms

    Enrich your life with adverbs!

    by Rich in PA on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 05:25:31 PM PST

  •  What say we hold a grassroots rally on.....no. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Where do I sign up? Better yet... (0+ / 0-)

    Suppose the 200,000 plus of us decided to create a boycot of all non-necessary drugs right now?

    You might say, there's no such thing as a non-necessary drug. But that's not true. We could organize an effort to buy generics, store brands, and offer tons of information on herbal supplements--enough to create a noticeable dent in the market right now.

    Would a message be sent?

    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

    by MrMichaelMT on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 05:36:01 PM PST

  •  Sure You Know What "Disobedience" Means? (4+ / 0-)
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    mataliandy, Eddie C, corvo, erush1345

    It doesn't mean legally cleared rallies or protest marches. Those are demonstrations. What she is doing is demonstrating not civil disobedience.

    Civil disobedience means some kind of strike, denial of service or forcible exercise of moral rights that would be presently illegal.

    I haven't seen anything significant proposed for civil disobedience.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 05:37:45 PM PST

  •  The good thing about a Single Payer Bill is (6+ / 0-)

    it lets people know that there IS a better solution for  health care delivery than the bills currently being proposed.  That there IS a way to deliver the health care that people need without bankrupting them.  And if we want to do it, YES, WE CAN!!!

    "It's just another day for you and me in Paradise." -Phil Collins

    by RockyLabor on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 05:44:44 PM PST

    •  I wish Congress was of the people that Agree with (1+ / 0-)
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      WattleBreakfast

      you.
       Of course universal single payer health care is the most cost effective way to provide for this country. Everyone knows: the larger the pool of people the lower the cost per person.
       Add to that or rather subtract from that the gambling/profit incentive.
       It's easy math.

  •  How is holding a sign up Civil Disobedience? (1+ / 0-)
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    soms

    She's exercising her First Amendment right to express her opinion, and its going to have no more ability to pas SIngle Payer than any other advocate's has.

    •  refusing to comply with a police order (0+ / 0-)

      is civil disobedience. Holding a sign up is Freedom of Speech. They were trespassing and refused to leave when ordered to do so. That's civil disobedience.

      Did you watch the video?

      nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect

      by erratic on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 10:40:58 PM PST

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  •  Civil disobedience (1+ / 0-)
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    WattleBreakfast

    If we had done some of this ourselves in August, we might have single payer by now.

    Sadly, nobody was interested in, say, occupying their Congressman's offices this summer.

  •  My feeling is that anyone who's putting themselve (5+ / 0-)

    s out there for health care like these two women are deserve respect and support. It's easy to criticise from the sidelines, and takes a lot of courage to stand up like these two women did.

    Acts of civil disobedience like this can be very helpful in getting a message out, and generating media attention. Especially when they're based on personal conviction and performed by competent, charismatic individuals.

    nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect

    by erratic on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 05:56:53 PM PST

  •  Unbelievably stupid. (0+ / 0-)

    First of all, the President is obviously aware of single-payer, considering (as the diarist notes) he advocated it.  Secondly, it's not like he was bribed to change his mind - Congress would not even allow it through committee, and a President cannot force Congress to vote on something.  

    But Dr. Flowers didn't protest Congress, she chose to harangue someone who already supports her cause, and the diarist describing that as "Gandhi-like" - comparing holding up a sign near the most liberal President in a generation, who is also the most tolerant of criticism, to someone who faced death at the hands of a brutal foreign empire - is too ludicrous for words.  Contemptible even.

    As to the general question of civil disobedience, the answer is yes, but Congress answers only to economics, so the act would have to be (a)impeccably peaceful, but (b)utterly devastating to the economy.  About the only thing that would do it is a million people gathering in DC, sitting down in the middle of the streets, locking their arms together (like the tree-hugger tactic), and going on hunger strike.  

    That's basically the only idea with a chance of succeeding.  And they would have to do it without giving the DC police or any intelligence agency enough warning about it to prevent them from coalescing downtown.  In other words, not likely even if you had the numbers, and if enough of them were committed enough to die of hunger - the only thing that makes a hunger strike effective.

    "What is great in Man is that he is a bridge and not an end." - Friedrich Nietzsche

    by Troubadour on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 06:30:08 PM PST

    •  Moral of the story: (4+ / 0-)
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      cdreid, erratic, WattleBreakfast, CMYK

      never, EVER, fight for your cause.  

      ""It is hardly a moral act to encourage others patiently to accept injustice which he himself does not endure." -- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Cassiodorus on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 07:02:58 PM PST

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      •  Moral of the story is (0+ / 0-)

        competence is not fucking optional.

        "What is great in Man is that he is a bridge and not an end." - Friedrich Nietzsche

        by Troubadour on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 07:52:37 PM PST

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        •  Uh... (1+ / 0-)
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          erratic

          Margaret Flowers got on Moyers' show.

          Did you?

          ""It is hardly a moral act to encourage others patiently to accept injustice which he himself does not endure." -- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

          by Cassiodorus on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 10:03:30 PM PST

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          •  She got on a TV show? (0+ / 0-)

            Hallelujah!  Ladies and gentlemen, a single-payer advocate got on a TV show hosted by another single-payer advocate and watched by other single-payer advocates!  Salvation is imminent!  Take that, Blue Dogs!  

            "What is great in Man is that he is a bridge and not an end." - Friedrich Nietzsche

            by Troubadour on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 10:40:46 PM PST

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      •  I feel that responding to Troubadour (1+ / 0-)
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        would be vindicating him her. Perfect snark moral, Cassiodorus! What is with these people who can't understand or respect a principled stand on a life or death issue?

        And why are they so motivated to go around tell everyone else that their work is pointless?

        nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect

        by erratic on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 10:44:16 PM PST

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    •  You have the tactics of Civil Disobedience right (2+ / 0-)
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      (it is also advisable to write your attorney's telephone number on your forearm - from one who has been there), but you have the numbers wrong.

      It doesn't take a lot of people involved in an act of Civil Disobedience to stir the political pot. Like the point of a spear, just a few are sufficient.

      The media would cover such an act, at least some would, and the rationale of CD is that it would open the floodgates of citizen frustration and anger to shake the halls of the political establishment.

      Change doesn't come without pain and being escorted to a police van is a small price to pay to bring it about. Unfortunately there are not many tactics left besides CD that are not absorbed and dissipated by our rulers in Washington and Wall Street.

      •  Then why isn't anyone on a hunger strike? (0+ / 0-)

        Seriously - let a few deliberately people die of starvation in full public view, and you'll get the attention.  But we're not really that committed these days - I know I'm not.  So I don't see the point in complaining or taking half-assed half-measures (which, I guess, amounts to quarter-measures?).

        "What is great in Man is that he is a bridge and not an end." - Friedrich Nietzsche

        by Troubadour on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 08:49:47 PM PST

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        •  We're not Ghandi (1+ / 0-)
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          erratic

          The current politcal situation cries out for change and Civil Disobedience can accomplish that withoiut dying for the cause.

          •  Then we're not serious. (0+ / 0-)

            From every angle I can see, single-payer is impossible short of a very large and committed hunger strike in which some people are willing to die, and which is conducted with as much shameless sensationalism as possible.  

            Don't get me wrong, I would never tell anyone to do something I wouldn't myself, so I'm not saying "Go die in a hunger strike," but I am reasonably certain the weight of inertia and financial power against it is sufficiently large as to require some people to be willing to do that.

            Forgive me if I'm not being exactly inspiring.  I just can't stand the self-importance and sanctimony I see attached to this issue in light of how little people seem willing to sacrifice for it.  You can have anything you want if you pay for it, and you must pay for it one way or another.

            Americans earned their independence from Britain.  Women earned the right to vote.  Desegregation and voting rights in the South were earned.  You want single payer, earn it.  I want it too, but the price at the moment is too rich for my blood, so I focus on other issues.

            Just my tuppence.

            "What is great in Man is that he is a bridge and not an end." - Friedrich Nietzsche

            by Troubadour on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 10:37:42 PM PST

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            •  I think that when you say (0+ / 0-)

              "we're not serious", you mean "I'm not serious". These women clearly are. If you can't appreciate or support that, why don't you move on to a more constructive topic of conversation, instead of tuppencing all over this diary?

              nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect

              by erratic on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 10:48:43 PM PST

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              •  We seem to have different definitions (0+ / 0-)

                of "serious."  When I say "serious," I mean a little something more than "sincere" and "willing to work on it."  The fact is we - and I do mean we, not just me - are largely content with the status quo, regardless of our rhetorical protests to the contrary.  

                Admit it: The idea of people sacrificing their lives in a hunger strike for single payer shocks you.  It calls into question the commitment of today's liberals to issues that are much more immediately life-critical, and for far more people, than any other current subject.  And yet those who support it, and have done so for decades, are content to continue supporting it for decades more.

                I'm sorry if the truth hurts.  If you want it to be otherwise, feel free to change it.

                "What is great in Man is that he is a bridge and not an end." - Friedrich Nietzsche

                by Troubadour on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 10:58:41 PM PST

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                •  you don't know my truths (0+ / 0-)

                  and you don't know what I work for, nor how hard I work for it. Maybe you take some pleasure in sitting on some righteous throne and pronouncing to others what they should be doing, and how flawed what they are doing is. I'm not impressed.

                  When you say "we", you don't speak for me. And I don't think that your participation in this diary is constructive.

                  nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect

                  by erratic on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 11:18:05 PM PST

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      •  Good stand, Nospinicus (0+ / 0-)

        I'm not sure why others are more motivated to object, than support. If they feel things are so hopeless, why don't they just shut their mouths?

        nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect

        by erratic on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 10:46:21 PM PST

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    •  -Unbelievable- exaggeration and mean spirited to (2+ / 0-)
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      mock The good Doctor for what she believed would advance her message.
       "Harangue"? She was very polite.
      Civil disobedience does not necessarily have to be devastating to the economy to be heard.Nor is it true that Congress only reacts to economic concerns. You get enough people together on a cause, and come election time they'll hear.
       

    •  I made a few observations (1+ / 0-)
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      agitating against the Bangladeshi military dictator (Ershad) back in the 90s. Three important vectors (duh):

      1. People - the demographics is very crucial. Young, college age folks are absolute must. Afterward, slowly add the middle-age populace (typical blue-collar worker, Moms) to the mix [Make sure the latter is more visible to the media!!].
      1. Location: It doesn't always have to be a 'million march in DC'. Start with the state-capitals. In Dhaka, we just gathered at the central campus in Dhaka University. What did we do? initially we loitered. Then more folks came from every bloody directions. What did we do? We sang, we recited poems, we chatted loudly... nothing more.
      1. Timing: No need to leave your day-time job to attend the protests. At the beginning, we gathered around the evening. It wasn't a big problem since D.U. students have a habit of doing so even on a regular day.

      Around the 1500 mark, things get a little more interesting. Chants. Crowd get a little more vocal. Little more agitation. This can be easily emulated here, esp in the age of Facebook, social networking. From a legel POV, its kinda hard to expel 1500 young ppl for just 'hanging out' in downtown Des Moines.

      Then comes the cynical part. Once you are able to hold these rallies for 3 or 4 days straight (evening only is fine), you wait for 'them' to make the mistake. They always do (trust me!). There is always that over-zealous idiots itching to use the baton or the water-gun.

      Once the above happen, lock arms with your brothers/sisters and let nature take its course!

  •  picket lobbyist headquarters - your local (2+ / 0-)
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    limbaugh megastations. they're disinformation headquarters. they are tea party headquarters, and they represent the leader of the GOP. that is where the lobbyists have been laundering their talking points for 20 years.

    there's one near everyone- closer than state capitols, and media won't be able to ignore those protests like they do at the capitols. and a lot of local media may be sick of being pushed around by the talk radio bullies.

    US social and political reality is largely determined by 1000 radio stations blasting coordinated UNCONTESTED repetition all day long.

    by certainot on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 06:32:59 PM PST

  •  Obama for SP? (3+ / 0-)
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    Obama, Inc. stopped pretending he believed in single payer the moment he got elected. Obama let AHIP and Big Pharma dictate the ground rules on HCR just like Bush/Cheney let Big Oil write national energy policy.

    Heroes like Flowers and Paris are in the trenches, fighting for the only rational, humane, and affordable solution to the health care crisis. Any and all actions undertaken to support the eventual adoption of single payer are worth doing.

    "The Nobel Peace Prize committee might well have made truly worthy choices, prominent among them Afghan activist Malalai Joya." ---Noam Chomsky

    by mojada on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 07:19:32 PM PST

  •  "About the only thing that would (2+ / 0-)
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    do it is a million people gathering in DC... "
    Yep.
    Have to be a "Flash Mob" though.
    I'm in.
    I'm thinking early May. Is lovely that time of year.

  •  Don't pay your doctor bills or insurance (1+ / 0-)
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    premiums. That should rekindle the realization that civil disobedience has personal consequences, a concept lost since the 60's.

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