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"Black swans are to finance and climate change what hanging chads were to Florida election officials - the nightmare everyone would like to ignore. But we ignore black swans at our peril - which is unfortunately what financial deregulation and failure to take precautionary measures to avoid climate change amount to." Robin Hahnel,Climate Risks: Lessons From The Financial Crisis

The key to our collective future success (from maximal wealth creation to basic survival), will be in how we mitigate the impact of black swans generated by global instability. One of the best approaches I've encountered is to add resilience to the very fabric of our global system, the community." John Rob writing on the Transition movement in GlobalGuerillas Open Source Insurgency


"It should be obvious, but it's not ... In Nassim Nicholas Taleb's definition, a black swan is a large-impact hard-to-predict rare event beyond the realm of normal expectations. The event most commonly referred to as a black swan is the 9/11 attack. The term comes from people's expectation for all swans to be white and not expecting the rare black ones until spotting one ... Nassim Taleb goes on [in Edge] to ask and discuss some very important questions: 'The puzzling question is why is it that we humans don't realize that we don't know anything about the significant brand of randomness? Why don't we realize that we are not that capable of predicting? Why don't we notice the bias that causes us not to realize that we're not learning from our experiences? Why do we still keep going as if we understand them?'" Link

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So what is a black swan event?


You must not let your life run in the ordinary way; do something that nobody else has done, something that will dazzle the world. Show that God's creative principle works in you.Paramahansa Yogananda. Link

Try this on for size. You are strolling through a life-frenzied field of milkweed butterflies and parachute balls, jupata grass and ancient acorn-rich white oaks, chatting and laughing with a dear, dear friend when suddenly a slight breeze swirls around the two of you. Then, picking up speed, the soft squall lightly lifts your shoeless companion off her feet. She sails away, without a word, gently grasping the handle of her sky-blue Asian silk parasol.

You, mon amie, have just experienced a 'black swan event'. An event which is totally unexpected, akin to the reality-altering experience BSEs are named after; that being, the discovery by Europeans (who believed before traveling to Australia swans were only white) that (after their return and based upon first hand knowledge) this was NOT the case.

Black Swans are, for example, the recent Port-au-Prince earthquake, or the morning of September 11, 2001, or a few days in the fall of 2007 when Wall Street and Washington, in one fell swoop, yanked the rug out from underneath the entire global economy.

There is life as it was before the event and a radically altered experience of reality post the traumatic shock.

Traditionally, black swan events are considered and treated as extreme and rare occurrences with system wide consequences.  As such, they are typically considered outliers, occurring infrequently enough to fall outside the normal boundaries of near/mid term analytical methodology.  

Really?

 

Nassim Nicholas Taleb,  on the contrary, believes Black Swans occur much more frequently than typical analysis indicates.

A scholar, essayist, epistemologist, statistician, risk engineer and trader, Tabeb is passionate about the need to "'robustify' society against Black Swans --occasional activism against those who fragilize it (bankers, economists, social scientists, oversized top-down governments, etc.) But I am bored with finance and interested in worthier mission,like b) Climate change: -- I am working on the opposite of conventional scientism: a precise protocol of what to do when you don't understand climate change --the Bonham declaration.

"I am interested in how to live in a world we don’t understand very well –in other words, while most human thought (particularly since the enlightenment) has focused us on how to turn knowledge into decisions, I am interested in how to turn lack of information, lack of understanding, and lack of "knowledge" into decisions –how not to be a "turkey". My last book The Black Swan (and the 4th Quadrant papers) drew a map of what we don’t understand (the ONLY attempt in the history of thought to set a clear and systematic limit to what we don't know); my current work focuses on how to domesticate the unknown "what to do in a world we don't understand."  

"Never take advice from anyone in a tie. They'll bankrupt you. Don't ask a general for advice on war, and don't ask a broker for advice on money. Think about the derivatives mess—buying credit derivatives from these banks was like buying insurance for the Titanic from people who were on the Titanic!" — Nassim Nicholas Taleb

According to the Black Swan Theory, unpredictable events are much more common than people think and are the norm and not the exception. Taleb believes that the more educated people are, the more likely it is that they incorrectly believe these unpredictable events are uncommon. Taleb says that because of an information overflow in today's society, we often don't interpret data accurately and create correlations that are not always relevant, when randomness more often is the rule.

Taleb does not believe in the expertise of bankers or financial analysts and says that society incorrectly believes that they can predict the future. Newsweek: Don't Trust Anyone In a Tie(November 15, 2008)  


Looking inside the aquarium, i moved closer to make sure it was a live octopus inside a bottle. I wondered how he was able to get inside a bottle then realized something moved. His slit-shaped pupil blinked and then finally I realized it was the octopus eye! :)


Black Swans and the Climate Crisis

Contemporary economics, short-term thinking, and the need to quantify and compartmentalize our ideas in order to make sense of them, all serve to remove the 'gray area' from our sense of reasoning; unfortunately, the gray area is the source material from where the highest potential for discovery lies. Saying all swans are white was correct, until the first documentation of a black-colored species. Previous models become useless, and the world view changes in an instant. Extending this to other areas of contemporary markets, most of the major financial risks were assumed to be properly hedged, until the recent collapse of the banking system. Weather has these Black Swans too. It follows that blindly assuming continued warming climate trends will lead to the observation of slightly warmer temperatures year over year may work for a while, until a cold snap like the one that hit the eastern US at the beginning of last winter produces one of the coldest starts to winter in many years.

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With climatological analysis, there will always be extreme cases that will be recorded and will appear well outside of the majority of the histogram. Ignoring these data points, however, is the absolute last thing a careful observational scientist should do. The most interesting answers are usually found in the tails. When we are trying to understand the physical mechanisms that lead to these values, it is plain foolishness to smooth the data, minimizing peaks and troughs, and in the process diminishing the importance of these outliers; doing this masks the opportunity to learn something new about climate behavior. Link

In an article GLOBAL: Beware of black swans!, Peter Walker, director of the Feinstein International Centre at Tufts University, says that, sans doute, attempting to calculate the impact of climate change can be a tricky business. Comprehensive forecasting, which connects current events and future consequences, entails expanding the list of variables under consideration. Along with variations like moisture content, air and temperature movement and radiation, the list might also include the rise in sea level, increases in food prices and statistics relating to malnutrition.

Models, says Walker, provide an extremely "simplified picture of what may happen under very tightly proscribed conditions. They do not predict the future!

"Where models fall down is if the accrual variables affecting the future turn out to be ones they [scientists] have not mapped. So, what if conflict triggered by climate changes turns out to be a big issue [in future]? What if the relationships between the variables change as a different future evolves?"  

Open Source Insurgency & Transition; Flash Mobs & Creating Black Swans

Open Source Insurgency (OSI) relies on the concept of 'superempowerment' -- the substantially increased ability of small groups and individuals to accomplish goals through the rapid and expert application of technology and access to global markets. As an organizational method, non-violent OSI focuses on how superempowered groups can work together to take on much larger hierarchial systems by utilizing "innovation, increased survivability, frequent unpredictable actions and the ability to swarm targets" OpenSource insurgency

Witness the Flash Mob:

COP15's First Flash Mob: Click here for 24 Flash Mobs you Need to see to believe.

Applying the principles of open source insurgency to the work of the Transition Movement (as well as the goal of awakening and motivating the public to mobilize), the OSI concepts of 'the plausible promise' and 'the foco' are evident.

A)The plausible promise, which identifies 'the enemy' or 'threat' and incentivizes the group with a simple goal, adding viability to the movement by demonstrations.

In Transition, the enemy or threat is the horrifying scenario of a post-carbon world, devastated by extreme climate and totally eviscerated by the collapse of the global economy.

B)The foco. A small initiating group which defines the goal and initiates the operation. The group surrenders control to new leaders after initial phases, decentralizing control over how the goal is   achieved, communications and who will participate. The group remains small, nonhierachial and shares resources and information, recruits with other groups and individuals united around the same goal, and expects that others will share as well.

In Transition, a core initiating team drives the project forward at the onset but anticipates its demise in inherent in its formation; the group networks with existing groups, promotes high visibility local events such as a 'great unleashing' or a 'great reskilling' Tantamount to Transition idealogy is 'Let it go where it wants to go." Link


Oxford's Natural History Museum is a neo-gothic building architected by Benjamin Woodward. In 1860 a debate about evolution took place here, where effectively the theological views of creation were defeated in the eyes of the Victorian public, hence giving way to a much more widespread acceptance of Darwin's theories ... It has real historical meaning and is one of the places I advise everyone to visit. Link

"... recent findings and the speculation surrounding them somewhat undercut ideas advanced in recent years by evolutionary psychologists, who have proceeded under the assumption that we modern humans still have the minds of Paleolithic hunters. The genetic evidence suggests instead that our brains, digestive systems, and immune systems are all subtly adapting to our altered environments.

The news that we humans can adapt rapidly, not only culturally but even physiologically, is certainly welcome: we need to change dramatically if we are to survive. But just how rapidly can we adapt? Can we, crucially, overcome our tendency toward denial before we've pushed the climate too far?

Characteristics are selected for when they permit an organism to leave more offspring. If we persist in denial, we may leave no surviving offspring, or very few. We've reached a point, or encountered a situation, where denial is not adaptive. We're on the horns of history's greatest dilemma, and only by accepting the options actually available, and pursuing the less-awful option with creativity and compassion, will we stand a chance.  Richard Heinberg

Fifth Generation Warfare

In an open letter to President Obama entitled "Welcome to 5G Warfare," author Umair Haque defines the information war currently underway in America as being "culturally, socially, and economically violent. And its ultimate goal is that of any war: political defeat.

"4G war was network against state," Hague writes. "Think Al-Qaeda vs America. 5G war is network against network, market against market, community against community. And the problem is that the right has a network, and are utilizing it to learn the art of 5G warfare — but you don't, and you aren't.

"To win this war, you've got to become a master not just of politics — but of network economics. I've studied in detail the handful of 5G wars that have taken place so far, between corporations, investors, and states."

Hague's ten rules include: Speed it up, microchunk it, meta-attack, anti-defend, Darwinian counter-attacks, hack your enemy's weapons, normatize it, self-organize hyperlocally, remix it, and attack the base. (Read details here).

Curiosity piqued?  Ready for more? Check out Dreaming 5GWand stay tuned for further updates in a series designed to turn your world upside down, in an empowering, Holy FS manner. After researching this, all I can say for now, with any certainty, is be prepared. Be very, very prepared. For what you're not in any manner, shape or form, prepared for.

As Thom Hartmann says each and every morning, "Tag! You're it!"

Note: Part I of this series,dkgreenroots: oil addiction, climate deniers & transtheoretical change, published Sunday evening.

   
Endnotes

The problem of denial
After Copenhagen: A Transition Event
Culture Change
Getting over oil one town at a time. New Science Mag, Feb. 10
Stages of Addiction & change
Preparing an Energy Descent Plan: A Primer
5th generation warfare

Photocredits

365.010 by twintermute
Black Swans by Raja Daja
the lightness of being ~ by alicepopkorn
Joker by Stephen Poff
Octopus Inside A Bottle by julesnene
Oxford's Natural History Museum by Nuno Leitao

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    •  We underestimate the likelihood of ... (6+ / 0-)

      ... the highly likely - but have a category of "certain" which is almost never certain. We overestimate the likelihood of the unlikely ... but have a category of "can't happen".

      We are descended from those had those biases because they had more kiddies. But in terms of generations passing rather than total numbers of kiddies, most of those generations were under dramatically different conditions compared to modern society.

      And evolution is past bound, not future anticipating - its not forward looking design.

      And we have in the past five generations dramatically changed the rules of the games that we play, and it may be that our built in biases combined with the shaky small-group foundations on which we have built complex industrial societies will leave us unable to apply what we have learned about what we must do.

      OTOH, once we know that we don't know if we can succeed, we also don't know if we cannot succeed, and at the same time whether we are raising the odds of survival from 1% to 2%, 10% to 20%, or 80% to 90%, its still worth the effort to try.

      Start 2010 with Lesbian Creative Works, 100% Yuri from ALC Publishing

      by BruceMcF on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 07:49:53 PM PST

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      •  yes and as the saying goes (5+ / 0-)

        do we just wanna lie down and wait or would we rather be engaged in the fight as well as in finding ways to revitalize, reconnect and perhaps re-engineer in re-tooling. That is what I love so much about Transition, particularly the Heart and Soul groups. WE have monthly potlucks always with new people... people need so much to share their fears,  and to know they are not alone and that theire are local groups everywhere working and waiting for them to join in!

        "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

        by boatsie on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:03:42 PM PST

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      •  probability compression: (3+ / 0-)
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        What you're talking about is the compression of probabilities and outcomes to fit within the processing capacity of an average human brain.  In the past this may have produced a natural selection advantage, but it is doing the opposite today on the collective scale via climate change.  

    •  i'm going to disagree with Haque on two points... (4+ / 0-)

      ...and be a good scientist by offering a possible hypothesis & test.

      BTW, I've been reading John Robb for years now, anyone reading this diary should also go read his stuff, here:  http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/

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      OK, now on to Haque, point 1 in this posting:

      1. Speed it up. Use tools that transmit information orders of magnitude faster: as close to real-time as possible. Your enemies use email. Use Twitter, Facebook, and iPhone Apps instead.

      Contrast to G2G's Second Law of Telecommunications:  The faster the means of communication, the more anxiety it creates.     (G2G's First Law of Telecommunications is: The larger the number of ways to reach a person, the lower the likelihood of reaching them at all.  This may become relevant shortly.)

      Example:  In the years BC (Before Cellphones), if a kid went to a friend's house after school, the kid was expected to call home to check in when s/he arrived at the friend's house.  If an hour or two went by without a call, the parents would get anxious.  In the years CE (Cellphone Era), kids are supposed to check in and be checkable continually, and if they are five minutes late for a check-in, the parents get anxious.  This has not increased the safety of kids, only the anxiety of parents.  

      Similar dynamics operate between spouses/partners, in business, and elsewhere:  the increase in the quantity and immediacy of check-ins by cellphone, text message, etc., is merely an increase in oversight, not in productivity or safety.  Increases in oversight amount to micromanagement, which constitutes a frictional loss to the system (productivity, enjoyment of visit with friends, etc.)  It also produces an increase in anxiety, that is also a frictional loss as well as an incremental decrease in quality of life overall.

      In warfare and warlike competitive situations (BTW, why is it that in the wealthiest country on Earth, in the 21st Century, our culture is in a state of "war of each against each and all against all"...?), similar dynamics apply.  On the intel side, the increase in speed and volume of collection merely ends up swamping analysis; or clients demand to see raw collection and thereby bypass analysis altogether.  We can see where this got us with Bush/Cheney's Whitehouse "intel group" that reinforced whatever conclusions were demanded of them.  Presumably similar dynamics occur in combat arms, logistics, and so on, though I don't have the knowledge to speak to those.  

      Speedup also bypasses the cerebral cortex (deliberate thought) and turns over decisionmaking to lower brain centers that humans have in common with rats.  That type of decisionmaking is more rapid since it runs on more compact real estate, but speed does not correlate with accuracy: they are two entirely independent variables.  

      My point therefore is:  SLOW IT DOWN.  Slow down managerial oversight to increase productivity.  Slow down parental and similar oversight to increase enjoyment of downtime.  Slow down oversight to give yourself more time to think.  Stop the micromanaging that causes frictional losses.  Reduce the anxiety that causes more frictional losses and harms quality of life.  (Speaking of war analogies, stress is also the #1 killer in the US: the leading cause of preventable casualties.)  Slow down and make full use of your cerebral cortex (otherwise, why have one in the first place?).  

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      So here's an experiment.

      Set up a realistic simulation of a competitive environment, perhaps warfare.  Not a twitch game, but an evaluation & decision making exercise.  Chess is excellent for this purpose, and can be set up on a computer or better yet on a physical board (real physical objects are always better for this purpose than picture-symbols) linked to a computer.  

      Play under the following conditions:

      One:  Player A and player B both have as much time as they like for each move.

      Two:  "Speed chess," where both players have very limited time for each move.

      Three:  Player A has unlimited time, player B has "speed chess" time.

      Four:  Player A has "speed chess" time, player B has unlimited time.

      Then tally up the outcomes: not only who won and who lost, but the number of strategic and tactical errors made by each player.  

      Experimental hypothesis:  Increase in speed produces an increase in errors compared to the baseline condition.  

      Null hypothesis:  Increase in speed does not produce a statistically significant increase or decrease in errors compared to the baseline condition.  

      Counter-hypothesis:  Increase in speed produces a decrease in errors compared to the baseline condition.

      If I'm mistaken about this, I will gladly admit the error and update my understanding of reality accordingly.  But somehow I doubt it's going to turn out that way.  

      •  Bravo! Point. (2+ / 0-)
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        Must read over more carefully ... fabulous analysis.... I love RObb's blog for years as well.... MB you are moving into 6GW here? Or are we already mulling around in this?

        "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

        by boatsie on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 11:32:18 PM PST

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        •  i'm not even sure that 5GW is... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...a well-founded theory.  Basically, John Robb's 4GW theory is excellent and was well-received.  But there were some potential critiques coming from certain other military theorists who JR has deep respect for; and he sought to address some of those critiques.  The outcome was the idea of 5GW.  However, my instincts tell me that 5GW was not thought through in the degree of depth and detail as 4GW.

          Basically as you've described it in your diary, 5GW translates to "the war of each against each and all against all," a kind of apocalyptic scenario of a society consumed by conflict.  But we already have older terminology for this, such as "breakdown of civil society," and "social collapse."  

          4GW is a reality predicated on the emergence of subnational groups as actors with state-like powers (superempowered small groups).  This is an accurate description of an entire category of conflicts.  

          But 5GW is a theory waiting for an application.  Haque says he's studied "the handful of 5G wars that have taken place so far, between corporations, investors, and states."  I would assert that a conflict between two corporations does not qualify as a war, and using a military metaphor to describe it does a disservice both to the nature of competition in civil society and to the nature of warfare itself.  

          We might use the term "war" as a colloquialism to describe some of those dynamics, e.g. between two corporations, between two groups of investors, between a corporation and a nation-state, etc.; but that is not a truly viable descriptor until there are wounded and dead bodies on the ground.  

          And where corporations and investors "do battle" against a nation state that is a republic or a parliamentary democracy, we already have another term for that, though it's not as popular as it should be among progressives:  class war.  

    •  Critique of Haque, point two: (3+ / 0-)
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      From Haque:  2. Microchunk it. Small resources, like messages, are more efficiently transmitted and utilized than big ones. Your enemies use lengthy, wordy messages — seriously inefficient communications. Try 140 character Tweets instead.

      In terms of Shannon's Theory of Information, information is a measure of a reduction of ambiguity.  "Sufficient information" is by definition, the degree of information needed to produce an unambiguous result at the receiving end.  

      Small bursts of information may be adequate for some purposes, such as targeting artillery or aerial bombardment: all you need are the targeting coordinates and the designator for the type of ordnance to be used.  

      However, small bursts of information are wholly inadequate for conveying complex ideas accurately.   Instead what happens is a series of questions and answers that are less efficient in terms of time and effort than if an unambiguous message had been sent in the first place.  

      The bottom line is: use enough words to convey meaning accurately the first time.  The greater the clarity of a communication, the fewer the questions and answers that will be needed to understand its meaning.  Clarity produces ease of understanding, and lack of clarity produces frustration.  

      Consider this:  Speed and terseness increase stress.  Taking adequate time and sending adequate information reduce stress.   What is this strange thing about our culture, that despite the vast proliferation of communications technologies, humans have somehow managed to misuse all of them to make their lives worse?    

      (There is one counterexample I'm aware of, to the general rule about using enough words to produce adequately clear communication.  In certain altered states of consciousness, achievable without drugs, humans are capable of an extraordinary degree of communication with minimal observable signaling between them.  To some degree this may involve reliance on shared points of cultural reference: for example if person A says to B, "we are standing on the deck of the Enterprise," most Americans will understand the Star Trek reference and thus be able to give a detailed and convergent explanation of who and what is present.  However, shared cultural references are inadequate to account for a large range of examples that are found in these experiments.  The full details of the mechanism for this remain to be determined; and in any case, translating that from a psych lab to everyday use is problematic at best.  And it certainly isn't what's occurring over cellphones and text messages.)  

      •  but yet do you see it as an example (0+ / 0-)

        of how the right wing has succeeded in unraveling the Obama administration .... and what would u view as the climate activists best practices for winning the battle against the multinationals ....

        "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

        by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 12:10:39 AM PST

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        •  i would use different axes of measurement... (3+ / 0-)
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          ...for how the right has attacked Obama (and DO NOT wave the pre-emptive surrender flag with phrases such as "...has succeeded in unraveling...").  

          I would use an ecosystems approach to this, eco-sociology or whatever it's called nowadays.  What's going on there is largely a swarm attack by predators and parasites.  They have to be pried loose from their food sources, or in thermodynamic terms, energy sources; which is to say, money.  De-fund the right.  Also Obama has been tied up with emergencies and to an extent influenced by guardians of the status quo in his own administration.  He needs to get back to where he was when he was reading Saul Alinsky and put those principles & practices into effect.  

          The right are not extraordinarily strong, or smart; they are just cunning and deceptive.  Once one sees through them, they are nothing but self-important little humbugs, like the guy behind the curtain in The Wizard of Oz.  Put Rick Warren up against Obama any day of the week, and Warren sounds like the vocalist in a garage band compared to Michael Stipe.  

          We need to understand this: our enemies are diagnosable sociopaths, with the cognitive defects that go along with the diagnosis.  They are cunning con-artists.  We can beat them the moment we truly choose to do so.  

          •  One small detail (2+ / 0-)
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            "Defund the right"? Unless the captains of industry,banking and wall street suddenly have their come to jesus moment, they control vast amounts of wealth.  There will be no defunding of the right.  That would then leaves the other things you mentioned as possible viable fronts in this "war".

            I think its very interesting the tact that Obama is taking now after 1 year of taking lumps, and the vicious attacks, acting meekly and enraging his base in the process.

            In just a few performances he has suddenly dispelled the notion that he is not serious, or competent to lead.  He has demonstrated command of the facts of the situation and has called out the hypocrisy of his critics.  This is resonating with the public and shock of shocks even the Wall Street Journal has weighed in against the right on these subjects.

            Obama seems very skilled in placing the subtle meme here and there and the right seems obtuse to its affects until well after it has germinated.

            BTW, thanks to the diarist and to you for this fascinating and enlightening topic.

            --Mr. President, you have to earn my vote every day. Not take it for granted. --

            by chipoliwog on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 05:16:32 AM PST

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            •  how to defund them: (0+ / 0-)

              Go after them with the IRS.  

              Pass a radically progressive income tax to prevent the accumulation of even bigger piles of loot.  

              Unleash and army of lawyers and forensic accountants to follow the trails and take whatever steps can be taken.  

              Reagan did it against the left, we can do it against the right, all it takes is the will, and the will to take some lumps and look bad from time to time while getting it done.

              Last year Obama walked into office facing multiple catastrophes, so he played it careful and went for stability.  Now that the economy isn't teetering on the brink of total collapse, he's got time to start pushing the envelope.  

              •  I don't think he has the fight in him (0+ / 0-)

                Obama so far has never moved with overt aggression.  His style is to kill you softly or not at all.

                It can be either beautiful or very painful to watch.  Right now, he seems to have the upper hand in his dealings with conservatives but the tide could change at any moment.  

                --Mr. President, you have to earn my vote every day. Not take it for granted. --

                by chipoliwog on Fri Feb 19, 2010 at 07:21:25 AM PST

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          •  ah i tried to respond to you last night on this (1+ / 0-)
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            and my computer froze and i went to bed. i so have reached the same conclusions as you re the right that they are definitely "diagnosable sociopaths, with the cognitive defects that go along with the diagnosis" and i think this is augmented by addiction as well, to power, to greed, as well as to  megalomania, sadism .... the problem being as a result that we are dealing with millions of individuals who therefore have lived for some time in toxic environments and are continually bombarded by lies and memes which continue to paralize them, entrap them .... how to break thru this 'coating' is the question at the point, no? America has been subjected to the application of Klein's shock doctrine I would argue since the late 70s .... we have an entire nation which desperately needs drastic intervention to say nothing about the need to wean millions and millions off the psychotropics which have been pushed on them to numb their ablitity to effectively process and act appropriately to constant administrations of 'shock and awe'

            "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

            by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 09:27:25 AM PST

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  •  excellent diary boatsie (10+ / 0-)

    we often see list of climate change impacts, and some discussion of how impact #1 may cause or affect other impacts.

    but really hard to evaluate all the permutations among the impacts. you have me thinking more about that now.

    Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 06:34:09 PM PST

  •  Great diary! (8+ / 0-)

    This is a very cogent point:

    With climatological analysis, there will always be extreme cases that will be recorded and will appear well outside of the majority of the histogram. Ignoring these data points, however, is the absolute last thing a careful observational scientist should do. The most interesting answers are usually found in the tails. When we are trying to understand the physical mechanisms that lead to these values, it is plain foolishness to smooth the data, minimizing peaks and troughs, and in the process diminishing the importance of these outliers; doing this masks the opportunity to learn something new about climate behavior.

    •  Yes, I wholeheartedly agree. (1+ / 0-)
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      BTW, in military intel, there is an analytic tool known as "probability/consequence analysis."  Bottom line is, low-probability/high-consequence events are not discounted when dealing with issues that affect life & death and the outcome of real wars.

      •  can u relate this to the thinking that went into (0+ / 0-)

        the decisions made when the US military took over control of operations at the airport in Haiti. low-probability/high consequence .... so was this the thinking that goes into decision made regarding diverting MSF, health supplies, doctors? And does this explain why so much time was spent NOT delivering food and water? You mention above that my reaction to the duck loosing all of her chicks save walking them over the man made water drain was over emotional and non productive. I see your point. When decisions are going to impact millions of people exactly what informs military intel? Acceptable losses = what number and who? And as I understand your point so well, that we need some sort of psychic numbing if we are to succeed, then we put utilize the same mechanisms. No? WE might as well go through CERE training. Is that what we want? What about some Gandhian MLK brand of shock and awe? They have so succeeded in fucking with our collective psyche. How do we fuck with theirs?

        "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

        by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 09:42:32 AM PST

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        •  i'm not aware of the situation in Haiti.... (0+ / 0-)

          ...and there's not much I could say about it that would be useful.

          Though, someone worked out the numbers for water demand and deliveries, and showed that there was no way they could be met via any kind of aircraft that could land there: the amounts needed were just overwhelmingly large.  

          "Psychic numbing":  think of novocaine and having a root canal or having one's wisdom teeth out.  There are times and places where being numb is better than the alternative.  And in any case, ask any firefighter or EMT if their attitude on the job has made them any less sensitive to peoples' feelings.

          Gandhi/MLK shock & awe:  nice phrase.  I've suggested a whole bunch of those types of actions in various times & places, for example to have peaceful protests that get the message across in a disciplined and effective manner.  And I've also suggested a bunch of stuff for fucking with the other side's collective psyche, usually under the heading of "gray ops."  

  •  Snowfall (8+ / 0-)

    Right now central Ohio is looking at one of the biggest annual snowfalls on record--45 inches and counting. This has prompted a lot of local snark about global warming. I got some snowfall data for the last 58 years and charted it:

    A couple of things about that record are interesting. For one, the swings from year to year are huge. Another interesting thing is how it gives the lie to the often-heard claim that "winters were much more severe back in the day." Clearly human memory is just as unreliable as layman statistical analysis ("it's cold today, so global warming is disproven"). I'd bet in this case people remember the "black swan" heavy snowfalls years more than they do the mild years.

  •  Over two years ago I watched a speech by BIll (9+ / 0-)

    Moyers on what impact our media is having on our collective consciences and ability to essentially choose to do the right thing.

    I was reminded of a story from folk lore about the tribal elder telling his grandson about the battle the old man was waging within himself.

    He said, "My son it is between two wolves. One is an evil wolf: anger, envy, sorrow, greed, self-pity, guilt, resentment, lies, false pride, superiority and ego.

    The other is the good wolf: joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

    The boy took this in for a few minutes and then asked, "Which wolf won?"
    His grandfather answered, "The one I feed."

    So, too, America's public life. The wolf that wins is the wolf we feed.

    Media provides the fodder.

    There is an opportunity with the suggestions you lay out to use the tools provided us via the internet to do these things you say. Traditional media has been so corrupted by the influence of money, that trust in this estate to ever 'be the good wolf' is impossible.

    I like the suggestions you put forth. The way I look at it we need to build 'Good Wolf Packs' in order to advance our message, one untainted by corporate influence, one trying to help people find solutions, the better solutions, and endeavouring to bring out the best in each other rather than constantly seeking to amplify each others flaws.

    Draw on each other's strengths to improve our lot in life.

    Plenty to think about in this Diary Boatsie. Thankyou.

    Those folks who are trying to get in the way of progress - let me tell you, I'm just getting started. I don't quit. I'm not tired; I'm just getting started.

    by Unenergy on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 06:44:15 PM PST

    •  BTW, When I saw this it made me think that (8+ / 0-)

      this is what our media, particularly the Newscorp organization, along with what appears to be many older people are doing to our youth.

      The warnings are there that CO2 will cause a disruption which we cannot even begin to predict nor plan for, yet our youth are being encouraged to follow the leaders who believe they will be just fine no matter what.

      The age of obtuseness, selfishness as much as it is the age of stupid.

      Those folks who are trying to get in the way of progress - let me tell you, I'm just getting started. I don't quit. I'm not tired; I'm just getting started.

      by Unenergy on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 07:02:25 PM PST

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      •  oh my god, this is so absolutey hearbreaking (1+ / 0-)
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        it literally tears you gut apart. probably the most powerful pictures I have ever seen. This must have torn you apart to share. just such utter utter unbelievable emotions ... owwwwwww.

        "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

        by boatsie on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:42:39 PM PST

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        •  careful there... (1+ / 0-)
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          Put yourself in the position of an EMT arriving on the scene of a multi-car injury accident on the freeway.   What do you do?  Get all weepy-deepy with "utter unbelievable emotions," or put your medical gloves on and start saving lives?  

          First of all that picture may have been composed in Photoshop.  

          Second, getting all teary-bleary and weepy-deepy over stuff like that is one of the things that kills us off and prevents us acting with the strength we need.  

          Sentimentalizing is something we cannot afford in this era, or we will be crushed.

          Sorry but that's the truth.  

          Think like a firefighter.  Think like an EMT.  Think like a warrior.  Recognize the human values involved in situations, but do not get sidetracked on emotional rollercoasters.  

          What's at stake is the future of our species.  

        •  hey, I'm not too torn apart to act, trust me ... (0+ / 0-)

          horror can also be a powerul incentivizer....

          "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

          by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 12:24:14 AM PST

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    •  it is amazing to me how ahead of the curve (2+ / 0-)
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      the Repuglicans have been on this... beginning with computer hacking and then running a dual server out of Tennessee in 04 off Blackwells site.... Now FOx (at last look) was #l on Twitter... Somehow, they have managed to attract the people with the mindsets which are so ahead of the curve. the brilliant minds. I say it was all the nerds I grew up with they became the college republicans. they were the ones in the Business lunchrooms at college while i was haning out getting stoned with the SDS... makes you wonder....

      "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

      by boatsie on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:22:38 PM PST

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      •  They have the money, they can afford to pay for (2+ / 0-)
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        skilled people.

        Unfortunately maybe not realizing it, working for institutions which exist now simply to rip off the little guy.
        A corporate culture which puts short term profit as the only thing to be concerned about, and works to destroy anything which looks like developing into something which will progress our industrial processes into those which are more sustainable long term.
        This has the effect of destroying hope that a fairer and more equitable society which provides opportunity for young people can gain a foothold.

        The world looks to me, right now, the hate-o-sphere media which has been constructed to keep people distracted and divided, is destroying chance things will change for the better.

        But maybe it is still possible. We just need to convince the people who want a better future to become part of making it so.

        Those folks who are trying to get in the way of progress - let me tell you, I'm just getting started. I don't quit. I'm not tired; I'm just getting started.

        by Unenergy on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 09:33:42 PM PST

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      •  they have money, and that's all. (2+ / 0-)
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        Our ideas are as good or better.  

        The difference is that most of us spend most of our time treading water to keep from drowning.

        What we need to do first & foremost is to de-fund the right.  

        Then we need to put various measures in place to subject economic power to the same checks and balances as political power.  These include regulatory measures, and also a ferociously progressive income tax to prevent the accumulation of huge piles of loot that attract rats.  All of this is well known.  We have to put it into practice.  

        •  ahhh, well George Lakoff is unfortunately (0+ / 0-)

          30 years too late... we are always playing defense....always caught offsides ... they seem to have the 2 minute drill down pat.... we manage to get 2 million plus to DC on Jan. 20 '09... and where are all these people now ... calling their congress people on the phone and whining....

          Why don't we have the bucks to bus people into DC and demand action  ....

          "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

          by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 12:29:51 AM PST

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          •  Lakoff is good, but.... (0+ / 0-)

            ...frankly I think some of my stuff is better.  

            OK, here's what.  You want results?  Get me funding and inside track to talk to a few people who are in a position to do something.   I can come up with winning analysis, strategy, & tactics.  How much can be accomplished depends on how much funding i.e. whether I can afford to hire staff, travel to places, get memes into the media, etc.

            The reason I haven't done it on my own is because I'm in the same economic struggle as anyone else these days, and as long as I'm doing that, I don't have the time.  But if I have the time i.e. am getting paid to do this, I will produce stuff that will get results to the extent it is used.

            I'm deadly serious about this.  

            •  ok so if you are serious. (2+ / 0-)
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              drop me an email, because I am in connection with some people who are actually working on this re climate change. We are assembling a team... I could position you in the deliberations... Let me know where you live, and a CV of sorts to send on... Seriously.

              "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

              by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 09:29:18 AM PST

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    •  start at the roots: (1+ / 0-)
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      Remember the phrase "de-funding the left" that was around during the Reagan years?  

      It was a strategy, it was successful, and now we deal with the consequences.

      The obvious counter-strategy is to de-fund the right.  Think of all the ways large and small that this can be accomplished.  This has to be a central focus of our activities.  

      Start by taking steps such as going after specific corporations and institutions that are huge funders of the extreme right:  Amway, the megachurches, and so on.  Get them on tax charges, get them on anything possible, and use civil forfeiture as far as possible.  Yes we don't like some of those methods, but war is war.  Do what it takes to win.

      Find a basis to pull Rupert Murdoch's citizenship, and thereby divest him of Fox.  Go after the various rightie think tanks.   Break up the media conglomerates; rescind the Clinton-era Communications Act and the DCMA.  

      Tie all of them up in lawsuits, liens, and liabilities, and drain them as quickly as can be managed.  

      Minus their money, their mercenary experts will leave, their influence will wane, and they will lose their grip on the American psyche.  

      •  who is going to lead this campaign (1+ / 0-)
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        and where is the money coming from

        Start by taking steps such as going after specific corporations and institutions that are huge funders of the extreme right:  Amway, the megachurches, and so on.  Get them on tax charges, get them on anything possible, and use civil forfeiture as far as possible.  Yes we don't like some of those methods, but war is war.  Do what it takes to win.

        I truly love this, but look what happened to Van Jones when his Color of Change went after Beck... They have the media, they have the courts, and they have the chairmans o the major multinationals. It appears they have the Pres exactly where they have him. ox is #1 on Twitter!  Don't quite understand why we have allowed a foreigner to take over control o our media, the same moral scandal who owns the rights to the porn which filters into TV sets in motels across the US.

        "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

        by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 12:21:04 AM PST

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        •  they are nothing but cunning little humbugs. (2+ / 0-)
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          First and foremost we have to stop being scared of them, cowed by them, and all that stuff.  

          Look at Glenn Beck.  Know what he is?  He's a circus monkey.  That's all.  An overpaid little chimp of a man who is just downright pathetic.  And if you know how to read the microexpressions in face and voice, this is as obvious as a billboard for porn in a church driveway.  

          Look at Lord Blankfiend of Goldman Sachs.  Know what he is?   He's a diagnosable sociopath, like any two-bit con artist but with a few more zeroes in his income.  All full of charm and manipulation, but in the end, also full of cognitive defects that can be exploited.

          I'll tell you a secret.  Here's how Wall Street crashed and how Obama won the election.

          In 2008 all the capitalist piggies were lining up to cash in their chips in an orderly manner after the election.  The goal was to hold up the economy until after McCain got in, and then slowly let it wind out.

          But someone got greedy and decided to dump & run with their loot early, to beat the crowd and make out like a bandit.  Once that happened, someone else decided they'd better cash in their chips too or they might lose out.  Then it became a stampede.   And that's what crashed Wall Street.  And crashing the system before the election gave Obama the edge to point out that it was eight years of Republican mismanagement.   That's how he won the election.  That's how he overcame all the racist whispering campaigns and all the rest of it.  

          The best thing he could have done upon taking office was to just declare market justice, that the crash was too big for Washington to bail out.  Let the system collapse completely, wiping out all the fat cats.   Yes it would have resulted in a second great depression overnight, but he could have blamed that on the Republicans too, and demanded an immediate Roosevelt-style clean sweep reform.  He would have gotten it.

          God knows why he didn't.  Maybe his advisors were too much the insiders.  Maybe someone threatened a putsch or some other credible violence.  Maybe he just didn't have the ability to steel himself to being the point man for a catastrophe (and who could possibly blame him for that?).  

          I can what-if this until the cow jumps over the Moon, but that will not change the past.  We still have the future, and Obama still has plenty of time to face down the demons and slay them.  Our task is to support him in doing that, and then to slay a few demons ourselves.  

          •  well, this is an interesting take. (1+ / 0-)
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            and i took the total conventional one before reading this. which was that they stole the $ to leave Obama virtually no chance of succeeding.... McCain had lost the election hands down the minute he chose Palin. I think he knew it. The Republican kingpins specifically decided to go with Palin to begin the 'teaparty' movement, to delegitimilize the office of the presidency.... this started big time in the Bush admin, evidenced most blatantly with his choice of Harriet Miers for SCJ.... Hell, it started with the nomination and electcion of GE shill Reagan but we so quickly forget.

            I frankly didn't see Paulsen or Bernake as shocked by what occurred.

            Very interesting.

            "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

            by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 09:48:03 AM PST

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            •  Wow Boatsie. We gotta talk sometime. (1+ / 0-)
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              Those folks who are trying to get in the way of progress - let me tell you, I'm just getting started. I don't quit. I'm not tired; I'm just getting started.

              by Unenergy on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 12:01:36 PM PST

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              •  i miss so much good stuff on Kos cause of the (1+ / 0-)
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                overbombardment the info overload. Thanks for sending me this .... one of the problems with the type of work many of us are attempting to do, the information push, is lost in the structure of the site iteself. One of the ways I am working on trying to circuitously move around this is setting up home sites for series, for example for ecojustices Africa series ... I have them all on WiserEarth. Not to draw readers to wiser earth but to create a space where all of our work can hang out as it were until we want to move it into a larger or more interactive, ongoing forum....

                Sorry I haven't gotten back to your email yet, i am moving and things are just going haywire over here....

                "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

                by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 12:50:53 PM PST

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                •  I have a couple of ideas I want to run by you. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Don't know how effective they'll be, but I think they could work.

                  No hurry with the email. Just when you have time. I'm pretty busy myself at the moment, hence limited time on OA effort.

                  Those folks who are trying to get in the way of progress - let me tell you, I'm just getting started. I don't quit. I'm not tired; I'm just getting started.

                  by Unenergy on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 12:55:05 PM PST

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                  •  yeah its crazy. things will even out for me after (1+ / 0-)
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                    next wednesday when im in new digs. we can talk then. by the way, where did you find those pics of the duck and her babies? They weren't photoshopped, right? Even so, the depth of the emotions generated. the fact that a mother could lose her offspring walking across a grate that humans created to deal with their 'waste water' when in actually that in itself is a sham because the water should be captured.... and the fact that we are leading our children to near deaths because we are unaware of the challenges ahead; like we don't even recognize them, we don't even know what to look for. What is a rain grate to a duck who is passing through alien territory? How would a parent recongize the danger to his offspring if he had no preconception of what it was he was walking through. What is passing through the mind of the duck when she discovers her babies are gone ... they were safely behind her at one moment and then she walked across this strange feeling substance akin to nothing she had ever experienced or conceived of before. I mean, to her, where did her chicks go? Does she have a concept of a huge hole beneath? Can she hear them and not know how to get to them? At what point does she realize they are gone forever? And are they gone forever, or do they just paddle on in the dungeons under the city, victims to god knows what lives there. the whole image is so complex. So tragially complex. and i don't give a damn if it was photoshopped. because it screams out at you "THIS IS REAL" ...

                    "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

                    by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 01:26:47 PM PST

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                    •  Someone sent me that photo so I don't know if (0+ / 0-)

                      it was photoshopped.
                      But the way it made me think was as I stated, we know there is a need to address the ability of humanity to sustain itself on this planet. Our population along with our accelerated ability to deplete resources, let alone pollute our biosphere has reached critical proportions.
                      Many of our leading media outlets and political leaders have joined forces against moving in this direction. They are supposed to be leaders which get this message of self preservation out there and show us the way we are headed is not sustainable.

                      Many 'mother ducks' unfortunately are trusting this message and ignoring their judgement because, well they are being told there is no need to find another way, around the grate. The ones who will be affected are those innocents who know no better.

                      My thoughts on our media and the conservative politicians in the US and Australia is this :
                      "All humans make mistakes.
                      All leaders are but human"

                      I think they are making a terrible mistake encouraging people to fight against action on addressing sustainability, by maliciously attacking the science of climate. They are telling that mother duck, go ahead, walk over the grate, you'll be OK, there is no need to find a different way.

                      An analogy, nonetheless, a powerful one I can relate to.

                      Those folks who are trying to get in the way of progress - let me tell you, I'm just getting started. I don't quit. I'm not tired; I'm just getting started.

                      by Unenergy on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 01:54:05 PM PST

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                      •  and that is why Taleb's pov (1+ / 0-)
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                        is so powerful. note the link to his position at the Bonham declaration. working with gov't. very interesting.

                        IMO, it is all about population. Acceptable losses. "They" the power elite ... are as desensitized to the deaths caused by climate crises as those who are manipulated into genocides by depersonalizing the other

                        Note, rwanda, cambodia .... Power's book .... Klein's ... you are an acceptable loss since the planet cannot sustain its population.

                        GHWB has been into population control big time since his days at CIA....

                        "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

                        by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 02:27:43 PM PST

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  •  Thanks Boatsie....I always open your diaries (8+ / 0-)

    in anticipation of an informative read. The images you have chosen tonite are an added bonus. As always, thank you.

    Love is the lasting legacy of our lives

    by princesspat on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 06:44:50 PM PST

  •  And yet were (6+ / 0-)

    told that those outliers are not to be used as evidence or alarmist reasons to scream CLIMATE CHANGE!  So really, these outliers can be held against the science as well (by ignorant tv hosts who don't understand why the term "global warming" is so last century).

    Ultimately it has to do with a huge failure of our school system to give the general population an understanding of how science works that that theories aren't just ideas and we are constantly learning more each day.

    We can't know everything since our models are based on information we have gathered so far, MODELS.  Not the best way to project the future but geez.

    Great diary of course but sadly our society wants concrete answers from science in areas where they can't have it and refuse to actually believe things like evolution where we have plenty of evidence.

    The mind boggles.

  •  This is an elegant post, one of the most (6+ / 0-)

    mysterious and inviting I have read in a long while.

    Kudos to you.

    Tipped and rec'd.

    866-338-1015 toll-free to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them.

    by cany on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 08:04:44 PM PST

  •  oohhhh, flashmobs! (2+ / 0-)
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  •  WOW! Outstanding diary. (3+ / 0-)
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    That does it, I have to go to the DK Greenroots site and booknote it on my blackberry. This diary was AWESOME and requires further reading at another time.

    Great job. Tipped and rec'd

    "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

    by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 10:07:41 PM PST

  •  Brill diary Boatsie...I have always thought that (1+ / 0-)
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    the greatest challenge of the information age would be to learn how to filter out information that is not specific to realizing our goals.  Imo the current states of conflict on survival issues points to the still primitive state of human mental processing.

    I agree with focusing on defeating the strengths of those who don't really understand what's at stake with climate change. Geeks suggestion above was good-defund the right-a simplistic plan that most can understand. That can only be done with total focus and sometimes incremental prcgress toward regulation of our financial system and a more equitable tax system.

    The problem is maintaining focus toward that goal and learning to filter out extraneous unuseful information.

    I think there is some hope with the Obama administration but we have to hold their feet to the fire and also show patience as they are having the same internal conflicts that plague society as a whole.

    •  what were you doing up at 4:23 am, girl? (1+ / 0-)
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      and able to think so adroitly? I'm impressed. You must have little ones. Sometimes, I don't even get to sleep by then cause I work best at night.

      defund the right-a simplistic plan that most can understand. That can only be done with total focus and sometimes incremental prcgress toward regulation of our financial system and a more equitable tax system.

      Geek sure has added some spectacular dialog here and I frankly have thought about Murdock deportation and how that might be achieved. But seriously, I don't see how we can get anything accomplished until we handle the problems in the Courts ... and the problem with finding some real progressives with the funding who have not yet been corrupted by the systems through which they made their bucks as well as a keen understanding of the absurdity of moneys sole role being to make more money ... ah. all of this is so rich. we need a roundtable! And a few mugs of locally grown organic coffee

      "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

      by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 09:34:50 AM PST

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  •  brilliant Part 2 (1+ / 0-)
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    and great discussion. One thing I'd like to add is that it feels like there's a spiritual dimension to all of this, both in terms of inexplicable events as well as the deeper mechanisms behind the climate debate. In my opinion it all comes down to fear, the fear of loss, the fear of the unknown, the fear of death. I think it's important to be as aware as possible of our own fears in our fight to "save" the planet, it makes us stronger and less susceptible to the sabotaging techniques employed to divide those who are seeking honest change.

    Live life. Not too fast. Mostly walk. (or bike)

    by citisven on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 12:13:23 PM PST

    •  bring it on, sven. which point directly to (1+ / 0-)
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      transitions heart and soul group as well as to the Awakening the Dreamer symposium. So many of the efforts surrounding the Climate Debate have at their essential core the idea that it is our dis-connect from the ultimate inter-connectedness of all life that has caused this disaster ... our abandoning the wisdom of the indigenous connections. I would invite you to visit on WE Can we see the world and ourselves as one self? as well as the related groups... except for the fact that they have championed the world of Jeffrey Sachs, their symposiums are phenemonal. the Beshara School. And I belive, given my connections with Aaron we can bring him around with a slight infusion of neo-liberal economics...

      Missed you and knew you would love this discussion.

      "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

      by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 12:46:10 PM PST

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      •  sorry I missed it last night (0+ / 0-)

        I was out and then I forgot when I got home. Will you send an email to your peops next time? I need the reminders ;-)

        Yes, WE, I'm lagging. I'm trying to focus my brain right now, working on some longer pieces, and I find that when I go into the blogs and cyberworld my brain gets so scattered from all the input I lose my focus. Having a bit of a case of information overload right now, but I'll definitely spend some more time with "Can we see the world and ourselves as one self?" when I'm feeling less overwhelmed.

        Live life. Not too fast. Mostly walk. (or bike)

        by citisven on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 01:25:42 PM PST

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        •  don't know if you need to spend time there really (1+ / 0-)
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          you get it.
          im turning off so many channels right now. i need to really focus and decide where i can have the most impact. I don't see WE as the place frankly. Ive tried really hard to make things happen there ... but right now Im kinda like i have to find THE place where my efforts are totally in synch with the efforts and vision and honesty of the group....  

          You must get so tired of me with all my suggestions!@

          "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

          by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 01:29:43 PM PST

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          •  not tired of you at all! (0+ / 0-)

            that's what networking is all about... throw out all the good ideas and see what sticks. You've been absolutely tireless over there, holy cow! I've been spending most of my blogging time here, and it takes a lot of time and energy to process all the stuff here. For a while I was at another site called evolver.net but I always end up getting a bit tired of the computer screen, no matter where I go. That's really the biggest impediment for me, the lack of non-verbal communication in cyberworld, it burns me out quickly, so I try to do as much "worldly" stuff as possible to keep the balance.

            Live life. Not too fast. Mostly walk. (or bike)

            by citisven on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 01:47:34 PM PST

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  •  is there any way to choose one's 'wallpaper' (1+ / 0-)
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    on DK? I mean, i like the windmills and all, but Siemans? ANd it really clashes with my content. Maybe we should have a choice of backgrounds? or would that end up becoming corrupted as well? Like we get to choose from the paid advertisers who we want supplying the background for our entries? Our Siemans only gets prime time? So there are times when we can post when we can have the good old fashioned Kos background or choose our own?

    "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

    by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 01:35:22 PM PST

    •  i really don't like that guy with the cable and (0+ / 0-)

      the pickup truck in the right bottom corner. His method of livelood is pure petroleum based. Represents addiction to oil. Lets perform a life cycle assessment on this picture... How many items in this picture are possible without petroleum?

      "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

      by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 01:37:19 PM PST

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    •  I think if you pay a membersip fee at kos (0+ / 0-)

      they turn off the ads, otherwise I think there's nothing you can do about it, that's how they make their money...

      Live life. Not too fast. Mostly walk. (or bike)

      by citisven on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 01:40:46 PM PST

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      •  oh that's it (0+ / 0-)

        hey, im taking day off from radical moving schedule to sausalito... going to have a house warming r spring solstice and invite BayAea Kossacks, transitioners, some tcktcktck'ers ... the house im moving into has a garden, ruit trees, a well, we're gonna compost and plant bamboo ... i want you to meet my friend who teaches sacred geometry and has traveled and taught extensively in Italy  commissioned to look beneath old frescos in search of  geometric underpaintings... probably mentioned him to you but I really want him to get involved in ecodesign... he's 65 and needs a new challenge.  architecturally astute. We were planning last year about redesigning a shopping mall into a housing co op using sacred geo, Fibonacci numbers, the golden mean ... you would just love talking to him! He had a blast at the new place, measuring it out. the way he sees space is just mindboggling!

        "And the dream lives on" Edward M. Kennedy

        by boatsie on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 02:13:35 PM PST

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        •  I'd love to come up and visit your new digs (0+ / 0-)

          and meet your friend(s). Let me know when and I'll make it. I'll be out of the country mid-april to mid-may but other than that should be available...

          Live life. Not too fast. Mostly walk. (or bike)

          by citisven on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 02:26:59 PM PST

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