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This week's season 8 premiere of HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher is the best episode ever!
And not slowed down with some dumb conservative pundit to balance the thoughtful, funny guests:

  • Elizabeth Warren, economic watchdog and consumer finance advocate
  • Seth MacFarlane, creator, writer and voice artist on Family Guy and other shows
  • Eliot Spitzer, renowned prosecutor of Wall Street and former NY governor
  • Norah O’Donnell, MSNBC commentator
  • Wanda Sykes, comedian, late night host, screenwriter and black lesbian

Prodded by Maher, MacFarlane did an indescribably perfect Captain Kirk to explain why the current "intent to filibuster" rules grind the Senate to a halt.  And so much more.

Since MacFarlane's honesty and intelligence may offend squeamish ears, only grown ups should read his prize quotes about Dick Cheney's war crimes after the fold.

BILL: What about Dick Cheney saying on the Sunday morning talk shows last week, 'I was the one who ordered waterboarding.  I'm a big fan.' ?

SETH: If Ronald Reagan were president, based on Ronald Reagan's assertion that no matter who it is, if it's the Japanese in World War II, if it's Pol Pot, if it's us and we're just scared, torture is torture and you prosecute that -- I have to believe that if Ronald Reagan were president, he would try Dick Cheney for war crimes.
(huge audience applause)

BILL: I mean it is a war crime, by international law and our own law.  If a guy admits to, brags to committing a war crime, I dunno --

SETH: But that's where Obama's chickenshit, because he's gonna say, "Gosh, if I try the former Vice President of the U.S. for war crimes, no Republicans are gonna vote for my agenda."  Well they're not gonna do that anyway, so you might as well string him up.  
(applause and cheers)

The more I watch folks like Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Bill Maher and Seth MacFarlane, the more obvious it is that the truth isn't hidden - every clown knows it.  It's just taboo to discuss it plainly in Congress, the White House, corporate owned news, and most partisan blog forums.  

Even when there's 100% consensus across the Convention Against Torture, the far left, and the right's infallible Ghost of Ronald Reagan.

Originally posted to Levity on Mon Feb 22, 2010 at 01:57 AM PST.

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    •  the msm doesn't care about this, but (3+ / 0-)

      the audience for stewart, etc. is enormous and smart(er), so the truth from cheney's mouth has been exposed;

      it's so dreadful that the torture proponent feels so comfortable about his personal safety in the country that fought such people, then called nazis; this is what amazes me, that such people have the audacity to imagine themselves supported by the "nation";

      if obama gets two terms they'll be in for it, the saying is:  "the wheels of justice grind slowly, but exceedingly fine";

      but it'll have to wait until we've got health care and jobs

    •  Encapsulating Wanda Sykes as (13+ / 0-)

      an "outspoken black lesbian" is like calling George W. Bush a "confused white heterosexual."  He may be all those things, as indeed Wanda Sykes may be, but the labels is terribly reductionist.

      I am really enjoying my stimulus package.

      by Kevvboy on Mon Feb 22, 2010 at 05:26:13 AM PST

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      •  You beat me to it (2+ / 0-)
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        Brooke In Seattle, SilentBrook

        She is a comedian, a screenwriter, an actress and a host of other things that were seemingly noteworthy until she announced her sexuality... and her being black is kinda obvious... unless there is something distinctive about her being a "black lesbian" versus just a lesbian... but my question is why does her sexuality or her race have to enter the equation at all?

        •  see parallel comment, and the episode if you can (1+ / 0-)
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          And I do hope you can.  

          Still, point taken - for those who didn't see the episode and missed their/my joke, Sykes deserves a better summary.  I've fixed it.  Reflexively I told it the same way she did because, like Wanda, I am a black lesbian.

          levity defies gravity

          by Levity on Mon Feb 22, 2010 at 10:32:17 AM PST

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          •  I hear you... (0+ / 0-)

            Chalk it up to my being slow on the uptake... I was just looking at it as while your ethnicity and your sexuality are part of what makes you who and what you are... they are not who or what you are.

            You are more than the sum of the various parts... physical, spiritual, intellectual, sexual... that make you up... and far more than any single part or subset of parts

            Mea culpa for taking it more seriously than I needed to.

      •  yes, Politically Incorrect - watch the episode (1+ / 0-)
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        and you'll realize that's Wanda's and Bill's reductionist packaging, not mine.  They joked about it the whole time.  

        Have you heard Bill once had a show titled "Politically Incorrect"?  His shows have more time for truth telling by dispensing with careful posturing in favor of honesty.

        levity defies gravity

        by Levity on Mon Feb 22, 2010 at 10:22:16 AM PST

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  •  That Captain Kirk he did (8+ / 0-)

    was priceless.  Really enjoyed the show.  Better than that hockey game tonite. :(

    "Vancouver B.C. - the home of the 2010 Winter Owelympics, single payer health care, and single payer car insurance"

    by marigold on Mon Feb 22, 2010 at 02:13:14 AM PST

  •  I wouldn't be surprise if the DOJ isn't working (9+ / 0-)

    on Cheney.  Bush? No.  But Cheney? That's another matter entirely.  It's not about Obama being chickenshit, it's about timing and evidence.  I love Seth but he doesn't know what they're planning.

    They have to have their shit together before they indict a former VP.

    A lot is going to happen in the next seven years...a lot.

    And for those of you who'll say I'm not reality based, wait and see.  

    •  as with Nixon, you need a tape of him confessing (1+ / 0-)
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      that he approved waterboarding.  Who knows how many years it will take Holder to get hold of one of those?  Does he even have a TiVo?

      The important thing is, the longer Obama's team takes to indict, the clearer it is that he respects the rule of law and thinks even Muslims deserve justice when they've been tortured.  Like the saying goes - "Justice delayed is even better".  And delaying it makes us safer - a win-win.

      Just this past Friday the DOJ proved it will scold torture conspirators for their poor judgement while ensuring the can still practice.  Considering that the conspirators' opinions that no one will be prosecuted for torture have thus far been proven accurate by Obama's own DOJ, the DOJ is being pretty tough on guys who so far have turned out to be the best lawyers (with respect to predictive accuracy) in Washington!

      And you're right - when the President says "look forward" and the president's chief of staff tells ABC News that no one will be prosecuted, only an arrogant, faux mind-reader could conclude that Emanuel said it because he knows what's going on in the White House.  

      Thanks for that dose of reality.  If only those worthless comedians had your patience and unbiased insight!

      levity defies gravity

      by Levity on Mon Feb 22, 2010 at 03:14:08 AM PST

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      •  right with ya, but to defend Tricky Dick... (1+ / 0-)
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        Russ Baker published an amazing book last year called "Family of Secrets" (a political biography of the Bush presidents) that makes the intriguing case that Nixon was framed by the CIA and their political allies (including George H.W. Bush).   What got Nixon was impeached wasn't Watergate per se (its undisputed he didn't even know about the break-in until after the burglars got busted), but he went along (but did not instigate) the cover-up.

        There's a saying among con artists, you can't con an honest man.  Defraud him yes  (ex. the president of the local bank steals your savings account) but con him no (ex. the president of a Nigerian bank emails you for cooperation in laundering ill-gotten gain).  Regardless of whether Nixon was set up or not, if he was a straight shooter, he would have beaten the trap... but perhaps not been safe-- Baker writes that Nixon suspected that Jack Kennedy was killed by political adversaries, in particular the CIA.

      •  What's with the "worthless comedian" comment? (0+ / 0-)

        If that's your attempt at sarcasm, big time fail because I never implied anything of the sort.  Are you annoyed that I said I love Seth but he might be wrong?  So sorry, next time I'll help you out and bash Seth heavily so your sarcasm makes sense.

        •  your reply conveyed extreme denial of reality (0+ / 0-)

          The strange part is, you apparently got to the last sentence of my comment before guessing it was all snark and that I don't agree with you.
          (Scuse me for noticing your reply a few days late.)

          I'll try to spell it out better: when millions of Americans have seen a perp not just confessing, but bragging on Meet The Press about a war crime he ordered, the prosecutor can't credibly be waiting for "evidence".  The technical term is "obstructing justice", just as it would be if say, a Muslim or black person confessed to torture or war crimes on TV and the prosecutor refused to seek an arrest warrant.

          Surprise! - the DOJ that just ruled John Yoo didn't violate legal ethics by justifying torture is not secretly preparing a war crimes case against the former Vice President.

          I know it, and I can demonstrate that you know it, too.  I will offer you 10-to-1 odds and you can bet up to 100 dollars, and win $1000 if Cheney is prosecuted by the Obama DOJ for his confessed war crimes.  You will not take the bet because in your heart you don't really believe what you say.  You "wouldn't be surprised" if your fantasy was true, but you would be even more surprised if you won the bet.

          levity defies gravity

          by Levity on Wed Feb 24, 2010 at 10:58:52 PM PST

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    •  I keep hearing about Cheney's moles in the DoD (4+ / 0-)
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      PsychoSavannah, dolphin777, JaxDem, KHinSF

      and all the Rovian's in DoJ.

      If the admin can't ferret out those appointments, (or re-assign them ASAP), not much hope for Cheney in a jump suit.

      DOJ: No misconduct for Bush interrogation lawyers...U.S. justice, no longer blind, its now dead.

      by bamabikeguy on Mon Feb 22, 2010 at 03:18:19 AM PST

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    •  Here I sit waiting and watching. (0+ / 0-)
  •  i heartily recommend a fair trial before (14+ / 0-)

    "stringing him up", but that's because i'm, you know, liberal

    repent, amarillo! listen up, lubbock! you're next!

    by memofromturner on Mon Feb 22, 2010 at 03:16:59 AM PST

  •  This is some sticky shit Obama has to tread (7+ / 0-)

    through. With all the shit he has to tackle right now, indicting a former VP for war crimes while trying to lift the country back from its brink has to be a fucking headache for a man with 9-10 headaches already!  He'll need a whopping majority of the country on his side to do it and I wonder if he has!

    •  Yup. Definitely 2nd term agenda items. It'll be (4+ / 0-)

      MUCH easier to prosecute these war criminals AFTER we get out of Iraq and made much more progress in Afghanistan and Pakistan against Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and any other threats to us in that region.

      If the Obama administration gets Bin Laden dead or alive, THAT'S the golden ticket! Obama will have ALL the credibility he needs in order to do ANYTHING he wants matters concerning the [formerly stupidly named] "War On Terror" and anyone involved in it in anyway from it's inception.

      Plus, not moving on these war crime charges in this politically charged atmosphere at this time when so much else needs to be done is much smarter. If we get HCR, the jobs bill, and maybe some climate change legislation passed, as well as DADT repealed and possibly other pro-GLBT issues addressed and they all have a little time to have proven effective, then that lends even more credibility to Obama as a strong President overall.

      Obama and the liberal agenda will be unstoppable.

      Cheney's only hope at that point is that cardio-incident #5 is a "charm" and that he croaks before he gets frog-marched to prison.

      With all due respect, Mr. President... GLOVES. OFF. NOW. - SarTahrd Palin for haph-turm prezdent '12 - '14 1/2ish = GUARANTEED Obama 2nd term!

      by VT ConQuest on Mon Feb 22, 2010 at 04:09:09 AM PST

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      •  Don't you think a 'Croak by Cardio #5" (2+ / 0-)
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        would be a little too easy for this guy?  I think the country will eventually want Cheney refusing showers in San Quentin! Or at the least smuggled to Spain where there are standing warrants for him, Bush, and Rumsfeld for War crimes!

        •  I'm only thinking of Obama's well being in hoping (1+ / 0-)
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          that Captain Cardio aka "Shooter" kicks the bucket first.

          But yes, if we can get him Jason Bourned to Spain to get some of his own "enhanced interrogation techniques" applied to him, I"M ALL FOR THAT! ;)

          With all due respect, Mr. President... GLOVES. OFF. NOW. - SarTahrd Palin for haph-turm prezdent '12 - '14 1/2ish = GUARANTEED Obama 2nd term!

          by VT ConQuest on Mon Feb 22, 2010 at 04:43:55 AM PST

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        •  Re: Cheney (2+ / 0-)
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          Liberal OC Woman, fedorko

          Let's just sentence him to the orange jumpsuit
          AND no health care, like the rest of us.  He
          should last 5-6 minutes before he crashes
          without his cart.

  •  Democrats Don't Torture (1+ / 0-)
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    Dick Cheney did, admitted it and should be prosecuted.  All American's know it too!

  •  I watched the show and "enjoyed" it but.,,, (0+ / 0-)

    SETH: If Ronald Reagan were president, based on Ronald Reagan's assertion that no matter who it is, if it's the Japanese in World War II, if it's Pol Pot, if it's us and we're just scared, torture is torture and you prosecute that -- I have to believe that if Ronald Reagan were president, he would try Dick Cheney for war crimes.

          I don't believe this for a minute. There was always a long way to go between reagan's rhetoric and what he actually did. I watched Frost/Nixon last night and it occurred to me that there hasn't been a two term republican administration since Eisenhower that didn't end in scandal or disaster, Nixon/Watergate, Reagan/Iran Contra and Bush II/ Two wars and economic collapse.

    "I once had an awkward moment just to see how it feels."

    by irate on Mon Feb 22, 2010 at 04:13:18 AM PST

  •  Love Seth, He's A Fool - Anyone Who Thinks That (3+ / 0-)

    Cheney would get convicted EVEN if O were to prosecute is a fool. It's the truth. Want to know what the trial would sound like? I'll give you a few sentences that would be repeated quite often:

    "I do not recall"
    'executive privilege'
    'plead the 5th'
    'wah, wah, wah, wah, witch hunt'

    NOT. ONE. SINGLE. SOUL. WOULD. GET. CONVICTED. and why this goes over the heads of otherwise intelligent people is beyond me. No trail is the same as a bullshit symbolic trial that creates nothing but chaos and would do nothing to restore any sort of dignity to this country that you all claim to want.

    And if you or Seth think that its only the GOP that would not vote on his agenda, you don't know your Democrats too well and have not been paying attention. Who here thinks that the Dems would all line up behind Obama and support him on the prosecution of Cheney and W? Or anyone else in the W administration? Really?


    •  You're a genius (1+ / 0-)
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      Liberal OC Woman

      and I'm not being facetious.

      You have cut right to the heart of the matter.  We have far more important things to do for our nation than try and prosecute the Bush/Cheney evildoers.

      It would be a sham, a waste of time, and a joke.

      We are the change we have been waiting for.

      by mellowinman on Mon Feb 22, 2010 at 05:42:37 AM PST

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      •  No, we really don't. (6+ / 0-)

        The very foundaton of our country calls for us to punish lawbreakers, no matter who they are.  All men are created equal and all that jazz.  By letting Cheney off the hook, especially when the waterboarding has been proven and there is lots of evidence that he ordered it (including his own alluding to it!), he must be prosecuted for this country to begin to "find itself" again.  

        Nothing is wrong anymore, provided the person doing it is rich enough or powerful enough.  that needs to change and I can't think of a better example than Dick fucking Cheney to begin the process.

    •  Truth and Reconciliation (0+ / 0-)

      Didn't help South Africa at all...

      You can't repair a problem without proper diagnosis.  We have a problem, and even if nobody gets convicted we need to investigate and repair the process.

    •  surprise! Cheney is no longer Vice President and (0+ / 0-)

      his party doesn't have any say in his civilian trial.

      A jury of civilians wouldn't even need testimony from the victims who were tortured hundreds of times.  Cheney's confessions in 2006, 2009, and 2010's "I Was A Big Supporter Of Waterboarding" would suffice.  Him insisting "I don't remember my Meet the Press interviews" would only lead to an increased sentence or contempt charge.

      The only reason it won't happen is the US President and his Attorney General are hell bent on obstructing justice in this matter, for political reasons.

      And I love your logic that because some Democrats voted against Obama's agenda, he mustn't enforce our war crimes laws.  Makes perfect sense.

      Cheney is calling Obama's bluff, while Obama turns you into a Cheney defender.
      How efficient!

      levity defies gravity

      by Levity on Mon Feb 22, 2010 at 10:10:29 AM PST

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