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The Chamber surveyed ten swing House districts to guage opposition to health insurance reform, finding large majorities in these Dem-held districts opposed to the bill. But not so fast, says NYT's You're the Boss Blog:

As regular readers know, polls, especially those by interest groups, must meet stringent standards (pdf) before we can publish their results. These polls don’t. Instead of randomly selecting their respondents, the Chamber of Commerce sampled from voter lists, a practice The New York Times and many other media pollsters do not endorse because the lists are often outdated and are generally not representative — they do not include unlisted telephone numbers, for example. Moreover, the firm that conducted the surveys, Ayres, McHenry & Associates, identifies itself as a partisan (Republican-leaning) firm.*


So the question The Agenda will concern itself with is how much local news coverage did the Chamber’s gambit win. After an exhaustive consultation with Google, we conclude: not that much. In Nevada’s 3rd District, represented by November aye-voter Dina Titus, The Las Vegas Review-Journal published a long article  about the poll. (Ms. Titus is undecided, according to The Review-Journal and The Hill.)

The poll also was covered by The Fort Collins Coloradoan. Representative (and former small businesswoman) Betsy Markey originally voted no; she is now undecided.

In Arizona’s 8th District, The Arizona Daily Star in Tucson mentioned the poll in an article reporting that the Chamber’s target, Gabrielle Giffords, “appear[s] to be moving closer to the ‘aye’ side of the ledger.” (She supported the bill last November.)

Elsewhere, the polls don’t seem to have made much of a ripple. The other districts targeted by the Chamber were:

•Florida’s 2nd District (Allen Boyd originally voted no).
•New York’s 24th District (Michael Arcuri originally voted yes).
•Ohio’s 1st District (Steven Driehaus originally voted yes).
•Pennsylvania’s 4th District (Jason Altmire originally voted no).
•Texas’s 17th District (Chet Edwards originally voted no).
•Virginia’s 2nd District (Glenn Nye originally voted no).

One of those targets, Arcuri, has said he'll vote no. If it's on the basis of this poll, he might want to rethink his vote.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 10:46 AM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Arcuri can go Cheney himself! (4+ / 0-)
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    Iberian, fromer, Desbrisay, brushysage

    If he votes no, he's toast.  

    "Let us ... see whether we also, in our day and generation, may not perform something worthy to be remembered."

    by dlh77489 on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 10:49:25 AM PDT

    •  Lynch from MA is joining the No vote bandwagon (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm moving more and more toward never voting for Democrats again.  God, what a bunch of pu-----s!

      "Let us ... see whether we also, in our day and generation, may not perform something worthy to be remembered."

      by dlh77489 on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 10:53:31 AM PDT

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    •  Arcuri has been a consistent idiot. (0+ / 0-)

      I originally supported him, but he's just been very, very stupid over and over again.  I think his heart is in the right place, but his brain isn't.

      I'm not willing to support him any more -- he's just making it too hard for people to support him.  Can someone get the Southern Tier of NY a Democratic candidate who's not an idiot?

      -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

      by neroden on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 06:03:30 AM PDT

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  •  Does the US Chamber of Commerce (3+ / 0-)
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    get any federal funds, of any sort?  These guys are function in a deliberately partisan manner and there should be some way to strip any hint of "official" status from them.  They are a lobbying shop for specific GOP economic interests, not anything representing the United States.  

    "Die Stimme der Vernuft ist leise." (The voice of reason is soft)

    by ivorybill on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 10:51:22 AM PDT

    •  Even he USCC will freak out when they (0+ / 0-)

      see the 60% premium hikes coming this year.

      If we pass the Senate bill, though, there's a hidden trap.

      This is from Global Trade Watch

      McCain Proposal for National Health Care Market (i.e. "Exchange") Would Raise Cost of Removing U.S. Health Care from WTO Jurisdiction

      McCain has proposed the development of a "national health care market" that would facilitate entry of more foreign health care providers and thus make it far more costly for the United States to withdraw the health care sector from WTO jurisdiction. While McCain has provided few details about the proposal, implementing a real national insurance market would inherently require greatly reducing the role of states, for instance with the federal government taking control of licensing and standards now under state authority.

      Pre-empting the authority of U.S. states in this area is a key demand of foreign insurance companies in the context of the WTO’s Doha Round of negotiations.43 European and other foreign insurance firms have long considered U.S. state-level regulation of the insurance market to be a market access barrier because it requires that they must obtain licenses in each of the 50 states in order to provide insurance services on a national basis.44

      Since the insurance sector and health services are already covered under the GATS, new federal law that would preempt such existing state authority would facilitate the entry of foreign service-providers into the U.S. market. Once the flood gates are open and many foreign health insurance and health service providers are in the U.S. market, it would be significantly more costly for future administrations to remove the health care sector from WTO coverage, as all WTO nations with firms in the U.S. market or with an interest in the market would have to be compensated under WTO rules.45

      Unless U.S. health care services are withdrawn from coverage under various trade rules, federal and state governments’ future abilities to effectively regulate the delivery of health care services, implement health care reform measures designed to expand access, and reduce the cost of health care could be stymied. Because the United States must provide compensation under WTO rules before removing U.S. health care policy from WTO jurisdiction, quick action to do so will be much less costly, before more foreign insurance and health care providers enter the U.S. market.


      GATS trade agreement= the unseen hand behind the OBAMA SPINS They are the REAL free market extremists! - Google GATS+health+insurance

      by Andiamo on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 12:32:25 PM PDT

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  •  Small businesses shoudl quit the Chamber over this (7+ / 0-)
    This health care bill helps small businesses in so many ways. And the Chamber is trying to kill it for obvious partisan political reasons, not because its what their members want or need.
    •  And the US Chamber of Commerce lies (0+ / 0-)

      about small business support.  They inflate the numbers of small businesses allegedly affiliated with them, in order to further the interests of the largest corporations.  I'm not inclined toward conspiracy theory, and am sometimes a bit sceptical of what I read in Mother Jones, but it appears that this is true.  The US Chamber of Commerce publicly backtracked on the 3 million number of members it claims:

      "Die Stimme der Vernuft ist leise." (The voice of reason is soft)

      by ivorybill on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 11:02:43 AM PDT

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      •  And even their true membership #'s are misleading (1+ / 0-)
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        One of the reasons a small business may join the Chamber is to garner some of the benefits of group membership in obtaining insurance coverage etc.

        Its similar to the reason why people tend to join the AARP as soon as they are able in order to get all the membership discounts.

    •  Small biz needs... (0+ / 0-) alternative to the Chamber.

      Does one exist already?

      The bear and the rabbit will never agree on how dangerous a dog is.

      by fromer on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 11:16:55 AM PDT

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  •  Arcuri has to go (1+ / 0-)
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    Michael Arcuri No a dime not a vote for him . I don't understand the logic of those that voted yes to the House and are voting no now, Do they think the first vote is not going to be splattered by their republican adversaries. Coward, first he voted his conscience and now he backs down, poster image of a coward.

    Washington, DC:
    Phone: 202-225-3665
    Fax: 202-225-1891

    Sam Marchio, Chief of Staff
    Chris Wilcox, Legislative Director/Counsel
    Melinda Becker, Legislative and Press Aide
    Roxanne Yaghoubi, Legislative Correspondent
    Jay Biba, Press Secretary/Dir. of Special Projects
    Mark Cornell, Scheduler/Press Assistant
    Charles Greco, Staff Assistant

    Utica, NY:
    Phone: 315-793-8146/8147

    Auburn, NY:
    Phone: 315 252-2777/2778

    Cortland, NY:
    Phone: 607-756-2470
    Fax: 607 756-2472

  •  He should rethink his vote anyway. (1+ / 0-)
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    "Yes" is the best choice for a Democrat.

    You know what's lame? Firefox still doesn't recognize "Obama" as a word in its lexicon. And, no, I should not have to teach it.

    by mungley on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 11:00:14 AM PDT

  •  Attacking the Chamber of Commerce should be (5+ / 0-)
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    Ian S, defluxion10, fromer, Desbrisay, Floande

    right at the top of our job list.  When major corporation's flee from their association with them, there's nothing else to wait for.

    •  Absolutely! (1+ / 0-)
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      The (Star) Chamber is gearing up to use the SCOTUS ruling to drench our elections in money. We need to go on the offensive and tar them with being the dishonest hacks they are. Make it radioactive to be associated with them in any way.

      Just another socialist fuckstick homosinner!

      by Ian S on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 11:52:51 AM PDT

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  •  Poll is step one (0+ / 0-)

    Step two is for Faux News and the GOP (one and the same I know) to run stories using the poll as a foundation for their stories.  Whether true or false is a non-issue to these folks, it's merely a jumping off point to give them cover in their talking to the media.

    NOTE: This communication may be audited by the United States Government without your knowledge or permission. If you don't like it, vote.

    by jalbert on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 11:00:54 AM PDT

  •  And, the CoC has $400 million in pocket (2+ / 0-)
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    teharper428, fromer

    and SCotUS permission to spend as much as they want...

    "I'm not a member of an organized political party - I'm a Democrat." Will Rogers

    by newjeffct on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 11:03:19 AM PDT

  •  in other new, big-business screws workers... (0+ / 0-)
  •  having worked for the chamber of commerce... (3+ / 0-)
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    defluxion10, neroden, teharper428

    (i know, i know, but i'm sane now) i can confirm the above. the clinton health care reform nearly tore the chamber in two with regard to the small vs. large business issue.

    to answer one of the questions above, the chamber is an association of businesses, it does not receive government funds.

    man, do i have stories about that place.

  •  Just like invasive TV ads and Internet Pop-ups (0+ / 0-)

    the masses are tuning out all Polls and their results.

  •  The Chamber of Commerce (0+ / 0-)

    is losing members fast because of it's unconditional support for wingnut politics. This will just see even more leave.

    They lost all credibility when it was discovered that they lied by grossly inflating their membership numbers without releasing a membership list.

    Harry Reid's lack of backbone is an act, his obstructionism isn't.

    by stevej on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 11:13:01 AM PDT

  •  I'm furious with the US Chamber of Commerce and (0+ / 0-)

    the political possitions they have taken.  I am a chamber member in a small southern town, and the staff there has certainly heard my views.  They, in fact, do not support some of the positions taken by the national organization.  Because of the value of being a part of the business community, I'll probably continue my local membership, and will continue to speak out.

  •  the forces of opposition are showing all their... (1+ / 0-)
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    what are ours?

    credible funding of primary challengers goes a long way.  

    the fact that the bill expands coverage to 95% and reduces the deficit more than any other piece of legislation in 25 years makes it bullet-proof.

    yes the bill has flaws.

    we will fight like hell to fix them and squash anybody that gets in the way.

    The bear and the rabbit will never agree on how dangerous a dog is.

    by fromer on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 11:16:09 AM PDT

  •  Boycott (0+ / 0-)

    We have the power to speak to the Chamber in the only terms they know.  MONEY.  If we band together and choose not to use businesses that are affiliated with the Chamber until they stop declaring war on us, they might start to listen to us, at least it might just have an effect on the businesses that choose whether or not to join their ranks. I am doing the research in my local commerce communities and invite others to do the same.

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