Yesterday I posted a short diary on an upcoming MSNBC show with never before aired or read in jail interviews with Timothy McVeigh, below I'll place a cut of that diary.
Since then, last night and this morning, more has been coming out in relation to today, the present. I've used these in comments yesterday and today and while doing so was updating a post I have up at two of my sites which carry similar types of posts.
Is this a huge problem, not any more then some of which happened after we returned from Vietnam as to veterans of, but it's potentially a much more dangerous problem for the Country as greater numbers of civilians are not only instigating but also carrying out acts of the mild type of criminal activity to the extreme domestic criminal acts of terrorism, Austin Texas as well as some getting picked up with explosives and the arrests of the Michigan Militia, two members were veterans and that was even added to in a new Court report.
Back then, and up to the present, only a few would be talking tough in the scattered groups around the country and even fewer act out in violent ways, also there was no internet to quickly organize and inflame the fears and false patriotism into destructive actions.
This is the cut on the upcoming show:
April 12: Rachel Maddow previews the two-hour msnbc special documentary based on Timothy McVeigh's prison interviews, scheduled to air April 19, the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing.
McVeigh's path to terrorist
In the video below, from her show last night, she plays one more cut from the interviews with McVeigh, at the end, one very chilling cut!
It doesn't take but a few to carry out the most extreme of the act of domestic criminal terror same if not on the very extreme end, like McVeigh and his pals, to kill, maim and do destruction but not in great numbers but just as tragic. Many have been warning, for the past decade, of the possibilities from the extremely failed policies carried out by the previous administration and those congressional representatives who supported, while claiming the Mantel of being Supreme on the Strong National Defense of the Country as they created even more overseas hatreds while sending hundreds of thousands of our Military personal into two theaters of occupations and doing so for most over and over and over................!
The following has been allowed to fester, not only as to extremism towards government but also on the so called religious ideologies, and grow for to long, a number of reports have surfaced over these last years!
Pentagon Tightens Ban on Supremacist Activity After Years of Denying Problem
13 April 2010 Since the SPLC warned the U.S. military about extremist activity among active-duty personnel in 2006, the Pentagon brass has steadfastly denied that a problem existed and insisted that its "zero-tolerance" policy was sufficient to keep organized racists out of its ranks.
That changed this past November, when the Pentagon quietly tightened its policy on extremist activity, which formerly only banned "active participation" in extremist groups but did not define what that meant.
Under the new regulations, military personnel "must not actively advocate supremacist doctrine, ideology or causes" or "otherwise advance efforts to deprive individuals of their civil rights." The new rules specify that "active participation" includes activities such as recruiting, fundraising, demonstrating or rallying, training, organizing and distributing supremacist material, including online posts.
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The policy change, which slipped under the radar for months, was reported Friday by Michael Isikoff of Newsweek. In a blog post, Isikoff examined the military backgrounds of two members of the Hutaree Militia, the radical Michigan group whose members were indicted late last month in a plot to murder a law enforcement officer and then attack the funeral procession with homemade bombs and missiles.
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Two years later, in 2008, the SPLC reported new evidence that supported its initial findings. That report revealed that 46 members of the white supremacist social networking website Newsaxon.com had identified themselves as active-duty military personnel. The report quoted a racist skinhead who posted a comment to a neo-Nazi online forum, excitedly saying that he had joined the Army and specifically requested an assignment where he would learn how to make an explosive device. "I have my own reasons for wanting this training but in fear of the government tracing me and me loosing [sic] my clearance I can’t share them here," wrote the poster, who called himself "Sobibor’s SS," a reference to guards at a Nazi concentration camp. -->-->-->
After being sent the above more reports have been surfacing.
13 April 2010 Military Officer Backs Off
Ex-Marine Provided Hutaree 'Hit List' of Judges and Elected Officials and Served as Group's 'Heavy Gunner'
April 13, 2010 A former U.S. Marine rifle expert and veteran of the 1991 Persian Gulf War supplied the extremist Christian "Hutaree" militia with a "hit list" of federal judges and elected officials and served as the group's "heavy gunner" who was responsible for providing a "significant volume of firepower" against designated law-enforcement targets, according to a court document released by federal prosecutors.
In a new court filing, federal prosecutors for the first time portray the former Marine, Michael David Meeks, 40, as a key figure in the Michigan-based Hutaree's alleged conspiracy to trigger an "uprising" against the U.S. government by plotting to assassinate law-enforcement officers with improvised explosive devices. -->-->-->
Hate and Fear
Antigovernment extremists are on the rise—and on the march.
Apr 9, 2010 Stewart Rhodes does not seem like an extremist. He is a graduate of Yale Law School and a former U.S. Army paratrooper and congressional staffer. He is not at all secretive. In February he was sitting at a table at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) at a fancy downtown hotel in Washington, handing out fliers and selling T shirts for his organization, the Oath Keepers. Rhodes says he has 6,000 dues-paying members, active and retired police and military, who promise never to take orders to disarm U.S. citizens or herd them into concentration camps.
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Economic distress and social change make for fear, and fear makes for anger, now and always. Night riders terrorized the defenseless after the Civil War.
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Middle-aged guys sitting around their basements fantasizing are one thing; addled war veterans with weapons training are another. Timothy McVeigh was a Gulf War veteran who read white-supremacist literature and the sort of books that predict a takeover by one-world government agents flying black helicopters. He has, or had, some potential heirs apparent in a recently indicted group called the Hutaree, a Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio-based militia. According to the Hutaree Web site, the group ranked its followers with weird sci-fi titles like "Radok" and "Arkon." The Hutaree militiamen speculate that the Antichrist is Javier Solana, a former NATO secretary-general and senior official of the European Union. The evidence? "There is a virtual media blackout on this man," writes John Reynolds, author of a screed on Solana and the Antichrist on the Hutaree Web site. "I see Jacques Chirac and Silvio Burlusconi [sic], Tony Blair, and Prince Charles on the TV all of the time, yet not a word one regarding Solana. Why not?" ("Mr. Solana has now retired and is an elderly private gentleman. This is quite insane," says a spokesman for the European Union's Washington diplomatic mission.)
The rambling rants of the Hutaree might seem funny, in a sick sort of way, but they are far from harmless. -->-->-->
On the Flip Side {especially related to the type of combat in Iraq}
Study: Law officers struggle to readjust after war
March 10, 2010 Some law officers carry the war back with them
Many law enforcement officers called up to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan are finding it difficult to readjust to their jobs once home, bringing back heightened survival instincts that may make them quicker to use force and showing less patience toward the people they serve.
In interviews with The Associated Press and in dozens of anecdotes compiled in a survey by the International Association of Chiefs of Police and the U.S. Bureau of Justice Assistance, officers described feeling compelled to use tactics they employed in war zones after they returned to work in the U.S.
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In two high-profile cases, officers blamed their overzealous use of force on complications from their military service.
Wayne Williamson, an Austin, Texas, police officer who served 18 months in Iraq, was fired in 2008 after he opened fire on a fleeing assault suspect in a crowded parking lot. A dispatcher had reported that the suspect was carrying a knife, but Williamson said he didn't see a weapon when he fired.
None of the rounds hit their mark, but one struck a minivan with two children inside. They were not injured.
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On Friday, a former sheriff's sergeant who served in the Gulf War before leaving the Army 17 years ago was sentenced to 18 months in prison for repeatedly punching a handcuffed suspect in the face in the back of his squad car. Scott Krause, 38, has post-traumatic stress disorder and doesn't remember the incident, which was videotaped, Krause's psychotherapist told the judge at the sentencing hearing.
Krause's former boss, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke, said Krause never told his colleagues he was struggling.
The survey was based on interviews with 53 law enforcement officers who had returned from serving in the National Guard or reserves, as well as written responses from 340 returned veterans and 112 police chiefs. -->-->-->
The Study done in 2009, this is a 52page PDF download.
And this:
Two Army Families Deal With PTSD, and Suicide
April 13 2010 Two Army Wives Share Stories About Their PTSD-Affected Husbands
Suicides in the U.S. Army will hit a new high this year, a top general said on Tuesday in a disclosure likely to increase concerns about stress on U.S. forces ahead of an expected buildup in Afghanistan. (AP Graphics)
In addition to the insurgents who fight from the hillsides before vanishing into caves in Afghanistan, the U.S. Army has fought an equally elusive and silent enemy here at home: suicide.
Many family members of soldiers returning from their deployment with post-traumatic stress disorder say the stigma associated with seeking psychiatric help has hurt their cause.
Last year marked the fifth consecutive year the Army experienced a record number of suicides in its ranks.
As with thousands of soldiers before them, and thousands more likely to come, Maj. Chris Galloway and Master Sgt. Jim Haus returned home tormented by their experiences at war.
"His behavior was really changing a lot after Afghanistan," Haus' wife, Amanda Cherry-Haus, said. "He was drinking a lot ... he would do all these reckless, endangering things that were obviously PTSD and say, 'No, I don't have a problem.'"
Galloway's wife, Shannon, said, "I was sensing depression and I was sensing probably some PTSD and I talked to him about it, and he was like, 'No, no, no. The Army says I'm fine. I'm fine ... You're the crazy one.'" -->-->-->
Many of these same types of problems, and needs for better reintegration, arose as to us returning from Vietnam and those who went into Law Enforcement, once again serving the people. They would be taken care of usually in house but still not on a national basis, four decades later and many many.............. attempts to educate, as to the needed research, just as the finally known PTSD, studies were only taken up by a few civilians, the rest ignored and didn't want to fund research or care calling veterans from not only Vietnam but those alive from WWII and Korea etc. slackers and fakers, and returned soldiers who sought out the professions to help their brothers!
This Country had better wake up and realize the reality, not the spin and propaganda words and phrases, of what might just be coming, and not from the greater majority of military veterans but from the few teamed up with the wanna-bes, rambo's complaining about government while wanting all it gives them but won't serve same, the grifters who see an easy way to great wealth by using lies over and over and embedded long before the truths come out to enflame the fears and hatreds, and falling into other issues related to hatreds and most of all fears!