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This Floridian is SICK AND TIRED of Charlie Crist's flirtation with an indy candidacy.

Crist is turning out to be a spoiler and I'm pissed about it. Besides the fact that he will move votes away from Meek, even though he's NOT a democrat and Meek is actually a progressive, his entry into the race as an Indy will mean Meek has to start spending money NOW instead of months from now.

I'm well and truly STEAMED about it.

As a floridian, I appreciate his veto. And I think he seems like a nice enough guy. Great personality. Talented politician, for sure.

But I am SICK AND TIRED of having to call Democratic Senators (cough - Bill Nelson - cough) to urge them to vote YES on Democratic issues. I am not anxious to add Crist to my list of angry calls I must make every day. Meek is 100% predictable, with a flawless progressive voting record. Damnit, for once I want a Senator who I don't have to worry how they will vote on democratic bills! Is that asking too much?

I know Crist is going indie and I'm angrier than a hornet about it.

Let me break this down and tell it like it is:

STRIKE ONE: Crist has great appeal among moderate Dems.  Crist entering this race as an indie hurts Meek, plain and simple.  I don't care what you heard.

STRIKE TWO:  We have 20%+ registered indies here in Florida. Many of them voted for Obama. They tend to be left-leaning moderates. North of Palm Beach county there are tons of registered Dems who are moderates. I know. I LIVE in moderate Dem-land right there between Orlando and Tampa (aka the I-4 corridor).  

STRIKE THREE: I'm concerned about how much Democratic teachers all over the state feel they owe Crist as a result of his veto.  The truth is that many of them literally are keeping their JOBS and LIVELIHOODS thanks to him.

STRIKE FOUR: I'm also concerned about Meek. He IS a progressive and in some parts of the state, that's going to be a tough sell among Democrats. I'd prefer that he go head to head with bat-shit crazy Rubio where he can be "the lesser of two evils" for voters with left-leaning, moderate tendencies. But with Crist in the race, it blows this all to hell.  With Crist playing games with his candidacy, Rubio locks down his already bat-shit crazy committed voters and the race quickly becomes a Crist vs. Meek race. They will compete for the moderate vote. Crist will lock up the few remaining sane republicans in the state, and the battle will be ON for moderate Democrats and indies. And THAT'S what pisses me off the most.

Meek is a DEMOCRAT. Crist is a REPUBLICAN. Period.

But with Crist as an "indie", essentially, Meek has a "primary challenge".  Now, his own spotless progressive voting record will be used against him months away from the election to paint him as the "radical leftist candidate" instead of the only sane choice in the race (which would be the case in a direct Rubio/Meek run-off).  Now, there will be TWO "sane choices": Crist and Meek.  And my fear is that they will split the majority vote - say Crist getting 30% and Meek getting 30% and Rubio marches into the senate with 40% and instantly becomes the 2012 GOP VP candidate of choice.

I am SO angry with  Charlie Crist right now, I don't know what to do.

Here's an idea: Kendrick Meek

Originally posted to mdmslle on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:36 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (19+ / 0-)

    Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe. h/t MeteorBlades

    by mdmslle on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:36:15 AM PDT

  •  Maybe POTUS can do some (9+ / 0-)

    appearances supporting Meek.

    Maybe the FP of the biggest leftwing blog should be promoting and supporting Meek instead of focusing on flipping Crist to D or I.

    There are moments when the body is as numinous as words, days that are the good flesh continuing. -- Robert Hass

    by srkp23 on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:39:32 AM PDT

  •  Personally, I'd be more concerned... (10+ / 0-)

    ...that Meek simply wasn't going to win anyway. I think he's got a better chance with Crist splitting the Republican vote (after all, he did the right thing--even by Republican standards--with his veto). And we'd still be better off with him than with Rubio. Especially as an Independent, he could end up as reliable in his way as Arlen Spectre. No way to know yet.

    •  Yeah, tht's how it seems to me. nt (1+ / 0-)
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    •  why is is that you think meek cant win? (9+ / 0-)

      the latest polls show him down only 4% to rubio.  he's run a smart campaign so far and has his grassroots supporters (over 150,000 of them statewide) in place.

      I LIVE here. I give a shit. I see not reason to give up on Meek at this point. I've been following his campaign. I wasnt thrilled with him just three monsth agao. And I wou;dnt said the same thing you just said. But I see what he's doing daily on that facebook page. His unfavorables are very low, his favorables are high and he's got LOTS  folks who havent formed an opinion. THATS GOOD.  OTOH Rubios unfavs are high, his favs are low and very few people havent formed an opinion of him.

      Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe. h/t MeteorBlades

      by mdmslle on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:45:33 AM PDT

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      •  I never said... (4+ / 0-)
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        ...you should give up on Meek. But while, yes, the last Q poll showed Meek down on Rubio by only 4, it still showed him 14 points behind Crist--he's not immensely popular, or even very well known yet (74% of people say they don't know enough about him to decide if they like him or not). Rubio is currently tied up in a costly primary challenge, it seems entirely possible that this is his low point in terms of popularity--unless Crist stays in the race. Just keep working for Meek either way--making up 8 points on Crist in the 3-way battle is tougher than making up 4 points

        I think we could do a lot worse than hoping for a no-holds-barred election fight between Crist and Rubio. It would weaken them both, and, if Crist wins anyway, make it much more natural for him to come to our camp.

  •  Get mad but don't stop there (6+ / 0-)

    Meek is going to have to play tough and paint Crist as Rubio-lite. Brand him nothing but a failed teabagger. Yes it's going to be hard but politics isn't a game for the "meek". It's a bare-knuckle brawl with million dollar campaigns. I don't like it either but we can't just wish Crist into not running, Meek is going to have to find a way to use his past against him. So get over to http://www.kendrickmeek.com/ and help Kendrick Meek beat two crazies. Volunteer to phone bank. Donate your time and/or your money. Use your anger to make a difference.

    Wal*Mart isn't the root of all evil but you can buy the plastic, cadmium-tainted, Chinese knock-off of it there for $4.27

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:43:37 AM PDT

  •  I wonder if he knows that YouTube captured his (5+ / 0-)

    rock solid declaration that he would never, ever, ever  run as an independent, on Fox News when Chris Wallace asked him.

  •  I still think that Meek has a better chance (1+ / 0-)
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    now than strictly Meek vs. Rubio. Meek can win a 3-way race.

    •  well, youre enitled to your opinion (1+ / 0-)
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      of course, but seriously, i live here and all i can say is...i have a very different opinion, obviously.

      Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe. h/t MeteorBlades

      by mdmslle on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:47:44 AM PDT

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      •  I guess. (2+ / 0-)
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        I'm looking at polling. If the Rubio controversy really blows up, then yeah Meek is going to have a better chance in a 2-way. It's hard to tell at this point. But I have to think that Crist is going to peel away moderate Republicans as well.

        •  the latest polling was done about (0+ / 0-)

          three weks ago. Kos front paged it. Look it up.

          It showed Meek only 4% behind Rubio in a head to head matchup. In a three way it showed Crist winning, then Rubio and Meek last.

          I know things can change. Rubio's got trouble on the horizon. And Meek hasnt really started the PUBLIC phase of his campaign, but as far as polling goes, that what it was last. I believe the pollster was QPac.

          Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe. h/t MeteorBlades

          by mdmslle on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 11:40:12 AM PDT

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  •  Crist could easily bleed off Rubio's votes (7+ / 0-)

    If my Latino friends and associates are any indicaation, Rubio is attractive to the Cuban vote, but he's not that attractive to the rest of the Latino community.

    Rubio stands against what many moderate Republicans stand for.

    I think you might want to ask Mr. Meek what he thinks of this. He's not likely to be as negative as you are. Meek could energize the African American vote this fall, which would be a good thing.

    Then, there's the assertion that Crist won't be able to raise funds to run if he goes independent too soon.

    So, it might not be as bad as you think.

    If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never has and never will be. Thomas Jefferson

    by JDWolverton on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:46:54 AM PDT

    •  Not to mention that Meek appeals to more than (2+ / 0-)
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      a few white voters as well. We're not all racists.

      If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never has and never will be. Thomas Jefferson

      by JDWolverton on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:48:35 AM PDT

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    •  i dont think meek would (1+ / 0-)
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      tell me how he really feels. I expect him to act with equanimity about it.

      The CUBAN vote is no longer monolithic.

      And you're 100% right rubio stands against what many moderate republicans stand for. and that's why they will vote for Crist.  But here's the problem, Crist actually is not altogether unpalatable to a huge swath of moderate dems (which often look very much like moderate republicans).

      That's a problem.

      Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe. h/t MeteorBlades

      by mdmslle on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:51:29 AM PDT

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      •  Well, I live in Meek's district and I used to (0+ / 0-)

        work in the building where one of his offices is located. He's pretty approachable and willing to chat when you run across him in a stairway or in front of the building. If you asked, he'd say.

        If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never has and never will be. Thomas Jefferson

        by JDWolverton on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 12:53:32 PM PDT

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  •  Crist is running out of time (2+ / 0-)
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    If he is going to pull an Indy he must do it now.

  •  This decision doesn't hurt or help anybody (0+ / 0-)

    With a three-way race like this, any three of them can win.

    People panic too much on this site.

    by thematt523 on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:48:02 AM PDT

  •  Mekks cans till win! (1+ / 0-)
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    Florida has more registered democrats than republicans. What is up with this anti-meeks baloney?

    •  no anti meek baloney here (2+ / 0-)

      and you are correct about the number of registrations in the state. It's been that way for a long time.  Many of those democrats are dixiecrats, though, and haven't supported a democrat in a very long time.

      Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe. h/t MeteorBlades

      by mdmslle on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:54:40 AM PDT

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  •  Wow pretty sobering post (1+ / 0-)
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    However, are you sure that Rubio is THAT strong ( 40%) ???

    •  No I'm not (0+ / 0-)

      but the party distribution is less than that. Are there 4 in 10 registered Florida voters who are registered as republicans? IDK, probably.

      I can't say how many of GOP in FL will back Rubio. But what I do know is that 7 months ago Charlie had a 30+ point lead over rubio in a GOP primary. He was outraising rubio and he had the NRSC endorsement.  That's what I know. I know that over a 6 or 7 month period, crist's fundraising has dried up. I know that Rubio has received EVERY SINGLE national political GOP endorsement. His fundraising numbers are through the roof. And Charlie Crist, who is Governor of my state and who once had a 30-some percent lead over Rubio must switch parties to have a chance in hell.

      Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe. h/t MeteorBlades

      by mdmslle on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:59:07 AM PDT

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  •  Better to get pissed off than pissed on.. (1+ / 0-)
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    Unless you paid extra for it..  :P

     

    I will not teach a man who is not anxious to learn and will not explain to one who is not trying to make things clear to himself - Confucius

    by DiegoUK on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 11:07:08 AM PDT

  •  Kendrick Meek... (0+ / 0-)

    has a better chance of winning the Senate race in a 3 way race than a 2 way race (3% chance vs .000001% chance)

    So either way it is either Crist or Rubio...which do you prefer...???

    Obama - Change I still believe in

    by dvogel001 on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 11:29:32 AM PDT

    •  wrong, and here's why Meek wins... (0+ / 0-)

      Sorry for not being original, I posted this earlier in the other Florida senate diary. But as this news keeps breaking it looks to me like Crist is dying on the vine and Rubio is sinking into the slime of corruption. Meek continues to grow and seems to be the odds on favorite to be Floridas next senator.

      Of course Charlie Crists corruption comes in a political form like his endorsement of McCollums crazy lawsuit against HCR and Rubios is monetary, but either way this rethug corruption is good news for the Democratic candidate Rep. Kendrick Meek. He is now in a position to take advantage of the disarray the GOP finds itself in due to their pandering to their teabagger base.

      For example if Crist turns his coat and runs as an Independent he will find himself without a fund raising base while Rep. Meek is building a formidible warchest. Here's what wapo's "The Fix" had to say in an article about Crist being no Lieberman in regards to funds...

      Crist has no such national fundraising base and, as is evidenced by his lackluster ($1.1 million raised) last quarter, money follows momentum. In a state the size of Florida with so many -- and so many expensive -- media markets, the $7.5 million Crist had on hand at the end of March won't be near enough. He spent $20 million when he ran and won the governor's race in 2006. Currently, it's hard to see how he can get anywhere that number.

      In addition Crist stands to lose his entire staff some have already left and others are sending out resume's. His top advisor Connie Mack left after his veto of the education bill so poor ole Charlie will be faced with trying to rebuild his whole staff in the middle of an intense campaign. Here's another blurb from the "Fix"...

      It's hard to imagine that Stuart Stevens and Russ Schriefer, Crist's media consultants, or Glen Bolger, his pollster, would stick with him if he decided to go independent. (Bolger resigned as Sen. Arlen Specter's pollster when the Pennsylvania incumbent switched from the Republican to the Democratic party in 2009.) Crist's switch would likely leave him without many of the people who have helped guide his political career to this point -- an absence made all the worse by the fact that his longtime top adviser, George Lemieux, is otherwise occupied as a U.S. Senator through the end of the year.

      Rep. Meek, a member of the Congressional Progressive causus is the major beneficiary of GOP corruption and is now in a good position to take the lead. Crist is dead meat as an independent and Rubio is too tainted now to win. It sure looks to me like Florida will have a real Democrat as their next senator! GO Meek!

      •  Dreamer...nothing but a dreamer... (0+ / 0-)

        Meek couldn't break 45% in a 2 way race in FL...75% of the northern part of the state would vote for a dead cat before they voted for Meek...sorry that is reality...

        Obama - Change I still believe in

        by dvogel001 on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 12:35:46 PM PDT

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        •  sorry you're so wrong about politics (0+ / 0-)

          now the FBI is invesigating Crist so he's even deader meat than he was...

          Al Hoffman, the former RNC finance chairman and ambassador, tells us the FBI interviewed him several weeks ago as part of their investigation into activities at the Florida Republican party and credit card spending by party leaders and staffers.

          "They had Jim Greer's travel expense records and wanted me to react to some of the issues surrounding that debacle. ... There wasn't one single question asked about Marco Rubio. There were a lot of questions asked about Jim Greer, (former party executive director) Delmar Johnson, Victory Strategies (the Johnson/Greer company paid by the party) and the (Greer) 527,'' said Hoffman, who recently asked Charlie Crist to refund his contributions and who expects to help Rubio. "Definitely they asked about the relationship between the Crist campaign and the party, relative to the co-mingling of funds. ... I believe they're after any federal election law violations, tax avoidance issues, and criminal fraud."

          http://blogs.tampabay.com/...

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