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Let's say you put yourself out there. Kiss the thousands of babies. Listen to everyone's problems. Put forth your agenda. Take all the heat and lose your privacy. Beg for donations. Glad hand the party elders. Smile so much that your mouth hurts. Etc.

Then after all that you win! Woo-Hoo! You are now an elected official prepare to be obliterated by the same people that supported you.

The principle you see espoused here is not only "What have you done for me lately.", but also "Don't come crying to me when things get tough."

No wonder so many are retiring or turning away from the progressives. They aren't taking you for granted as supporters. They have taken you for granted as the disloyal opposition!

From the front page and rec list to the fallen and forgotten diaries tumbling down the page at an accelerated rate, there is a cacophony of shrill shrieking about how the Democrats don't care about jobs, the environment, the troops, health care, and financial regulation. When anyone points out how the Democrats have passed a stimulus bill and jobs bill or how the President is pulling out troops and a bill is working through congress on climate and regulation the overwhelming response is "Not enough, lol!"

What the fuck is that all about anyway?

The President and Congress pass health care. Not enough. For some, the fact that it is not enough is proof they are actually Republicans who don't care about people! Yes, you heard right, Democrats risked their majority and fought for a year to pass health care reform, and the fact that they did so is proof that they should have been thrown under the bus. Isn't that great? The message is, by fighting for us, you prove that we shouldn't fight for you. I'm sure that will help in whipping up votes for controversial reform in the future. After all, you were so kind to them the last time they stuck their neck out.

The President begins drawing down troops in Iraq on a timetable. Not enough. The fact that it takes time to safely redeploy hundreds of thousands of troops and support personnel is no concern of the arm-chair progressive presidents on DKos. No way! If they aren't out by day two, then Obama is Bush all over again despite the fact that he has a timetable for withdrawal which is exactly the opposite of President Bush. The fact that his timetable wasn't "Day One: Everybody out," proves how terrible and war hungry he is. The lesson? Even if you do what you say, we'll find some way to paint you as a monster for doing it just the way we want. Why would anyone listen to people like that?

The President and Congress pass a record setting stimulus package and a jobs bill while we watch some jobs growth in the last few months. Not enough. Here we have some huge solutions for jobs. Jobs have been created and saved. You would think this might provide reason to thank Democrats. But you probably know how many are portraying it. The fact that it hasn't led to 100% employment is proof not only that it wasn't enough, but that supporters of it are corporate cronies who don't care about the unemployed. Action to create jobs is portrayed as indifference about job creation.

And you wonder why Rahm and/or some Democrats just don't listen to the hard left. Why would you need to listen? It is the same song and dance for everything. You never do enough and the fact that you don't is proof of terrible intentions.

What it reminds me of is my days waiting tables. Sometimes you would have those customers that thought you were there to do whatever they wanted no matter how many other customers you had. They need more ice, goddammit! Who cares if you are in the middle of taking someone's order. You are in public service and they are the public!

That is what you are doing. You know who you are. You think you are "holding leaders accountable", but what you are really doing is ignoring realities and hurting your own cause. You are not the public. You are a part of the public. No more important than any other. Your elected leaders are like waiters. They have a shitload of things to do and not a lot of time to do it. When a server has a customer that is polite, patient, and known for good-tipping, the server will move heaven and earth to help them. They are so grateful for understanding and cooperation. The customers that are rude, impatient, and cheap (they almost always go together) are going to get the minimum amount of service and attention.

You guys and gals that are constantly whining and complaining and are never satisfied with the bill and assail those that worked on it because it doesn't fit your standards, are the bad customers. You believe that just because someone is a public servant, that they are your personal servant. The more you act in the ways you do the less relevance you have to anyone.  

Originally posted to Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 10:29 AM PDT.

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  •  Anytime I read/hear "hard left" (7+ / 0-)

    I get skeptical immediately.

    Procrastination: Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now.

    by Linnaeus on Thu May 13, 2010 at 10:37:10 AM PDT

  •  It's called politics. (9+ / 0-)

    Criticism comes with the territory.

    For better or worse.

  •  Promises to my people (4+ / 0-)

    Are in indefinite limbo.  Hence, I reserve the right to "whine".

    not another dime to the dnc, dscc, dccc until i have my civil rights.

    by scooter in brooklyn on Thu May 13, 2010 at 10:40:30 AM PDT

    •  It's your right. (0+ / 0-)

      But people tune out constant criticism and attacks. They just do. It is human. If you can't count on people you forget about them.

      "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

      by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 10:44:54 AM PDT

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      •  It's a chicken/egg conundrum (1+ / 0-)
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        I was counted on for financial contributions and support before the election.  Now...not so much.

        not another dime to the dnc, dscc, dccc until i have my civil rights.

        by scooter in brooklyn on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:32:51 AM PDT

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        •  So you thought there would be no compromise? (0+ / 0-)

          You thought if you contributed that meant your views would be carried out exactly?

          Do you think that if you contribute (I contributed as well as did many others with wildly different views) that provides license to....what?

          I mean look. People go in places to order food. They pay the service staff's salary. Does that mean they can treat them any old way they feel like?

          Being in public service or being a public servant does not entail we own them completely.

          "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

          by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:36:26 AM PDT

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  •  Politics is not a "dainty" game. (8+ / 0-)

    When you pander and promise to groups to do something, you are getting angry that they start to complain and want to know when you are going to tackle it?  If Barack Obama, Democrats, or any politician can not take the criticism with their job performance, then they don't belong in this game.  Period.

    Some of the criticism is warranted and some is not.  But you need to get off these blogs and hit the streets.  People are not feelin' the Democrats right now and not jumping up and down about our President.  Staying in one corner of the room that agrees with you, makes you not see the other side of the coin.  You will be surprised what you hear out here, for our side people are not excited about the job we have done thus far.  If we are to win in November, we need those voters that we had to work our asses off to get to the polls, right now there is a disconnect with them out here.  And that my friend, is our fault.

    •  No it isn't and politicians need soldiers. (0+ / 0-)

      They need people that back them up no matter what when the other side is killing them. They need supporters who understand that things are never easy and compromise is constant in a world of competing ideas and interests.

      At the first sign of trouble or compromise they don't need to be called sell outs or corporatist and abandoned in the field.

      I'm tired of hearing how politics is tough by people who are walking away and surrendering to the other side.

      Politics is tough. You don't get what you want all the time and even when you get it there will always be dirty work and compromise.

      The people most talking about how tough politics is are the same people threatening not to vote. If it is tough on politicians, then why don't they think it is equally tough for citizens?

      "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

      by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 10:48:12 AM PDT

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      •  People respond to what came out of your mouth, (6+ / 0-)

        and what actually happened.  Many Dems and Independents are angry out here at the Dems and Obama on not fighting for the public option.  Oh, sure we know that Obama did not want it and ditched it along with no mandates to placate and get a deal on the table for health care.  What you don't know is that all that dealing has turned many off out here.  Will it be an issue in November?  I think for some and they will go down for that vote, but even today you don't see Barack Obama out here selling it because the public as a whole was turned off when the vote went through.  That vote was supposed to turn the poll numbers around and it did not.

        If you don't want people to walk away, and that is what is happening out here and you will see it if we get blown out in November, then you need to stand by what you say.  If you can not then say so.  The communication from the WH and Democrats have killed them more than ANY THING the past two years.  One good caveat, the public has separated the President from congress, so Obama's numbers are better but the Democrats the numbers are dismal.

        •  Tell them politics is not "dainty" then. (0+ / 0-)

          That's what you told me.

          Deals are made. Check that, deals MUST be made. You don't get everything you want.

          And I hate to break it to you, but you aren't the only person talking to people. I know very few people outside the progressives that care a whit about the public option. They want to know if they can get affordable health insurance.

          Many already have it. So they don't care, but they vote. Those that don't, but will because of banning pre-existing conditions and subsidies don't care about the fact that there is no public option. They are covered.

          The public option is an ideological concern of some. If you didn't have coverage and you will be able to get it now, then you don't care if there is a public option.

          "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

          by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:01:19 AM PDT

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          •  I have told them that, (3+ / 0-)

            but people react to what is affecting them NOW.

            Right now it is NO JOBS.

            Sure, we got a job growth with 1/3 census jobs, and I am waiting for September's numbers to see the shake out of those numbers, but many out here are NOT WORKING.

            The number one issue is this economy and many are not buying any tap dance that the recession is over.

            Many have homes and the Obama Administration has not come up with a viable plan to SAVE HOMES.  Their solution is a plan that must be approved by the banks.  Their plan is saving 1 out of 100 homes being foreclosed on.  One asset that Americans understand is their home and their value, which now is not much.

            Stimulus package, ask the average American about it, and I have.  The stimulus package is the ONE PROGRAM that is totally confused, along with the health care bill, that people are totally misled about.  I have corrected many that the stimulus package is not part of the bailout.  And this was EARLY when the package was passed.  Now this is even coming up in polling that the public think that it is part of the bailout bank package.  Now whose fault is that for not COMMUNICATING the message?

            People react to what is affecting them NOW.  They are not sitting around a table talking about the stimulus package, etc.  They are talking about jobs, losing their homes, low wages, not able to pay for college for their kids, etc..

            •  The problem is miscommunication, man. (0+ / 0-)

              And part of that is due to the fractured coalition of the Democratic Party. You have some on the left who are as equally committed to attacking this administration and the Democratic Party as those on the right.

              You have some claiming that the lack of a public option means there was no health care reform in this country. They are spreading this nonsense right along with Republicans attacking from the right.

              Now how can a President fight a two front attack on a good bill that made health care a right? He has misrepresentation from the right and left on a good bill.

              On the stimulus he has to deal with those on the left saying it wasn't enough and those on the right saying it was too much.

              When we lost jobs both the left and right attacked. When we created and saved jobs. Left and right attacked.

              There is willful ignorance on both sides. Miscommunication is rampant.

              And yes. We in the Democratic Party owe our leaders better loyalty. Maybe if we spent our time defending our policies and leaders instead of joining in and attacking because it wasn't enough half the misrepresentations would disappear and more people would know the truth.

              And the truth is no president since FDR has signed in more job creating legislation. No president since FDR has made health care a right until President Obama. President Obama is withdrawing troops from Bush's quagmire in Iraq. The stimulus package and management of the financial crisis avoided a depression and brought us out of a recession.

              Instead we get constant whining from the left to equal that of the right because he wasn't progressive enough.

              The President is not God. He can't make people see what his happening. It would take a political coalition willing to help him rather than stab him in the back at every turn.

              "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

              by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:22:15 AM PDT

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              •  For Fucks Sake. (3+ / 0-)
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                Communication of any bill, policy, platform comes from the one with the biggest bullhorn of them all, President Obama.

                He bungled health care.  We lost that fight last summer when the WH and Democrats sat on the side and let the insurance lobbyists and GOP call the reform "Death to Grandma".  It was funny, but guess what it resonated and the message game was lost.  And we NEVER RECOVERED.  The bill was passed, but it did not do anything to help Obama's political capital.

                I don't know what you are doing but whining on a blog about we are not doing this, we are not standing with Obama, we are not real Democrats...but the public out here that I speak with daily don't care about this crap you are talking about.  They don't have any patience for a history lesson, they want answers to questions about jobs, economic security, home value, will their homes be saved, etc., you know shit that people wake up everyday with worry about???

                •  Are you kidding? (0+ / 0-)

                  We never recovered from "death panels" and the like because half our time had to be spent fighting off progressive accusations that we were selling out to insurance companies for God's sakes.

                  Get a grip. When half the team is constantly shitting on every attempt at progress you can't win a message war.

                  Progressives don't play ball unless they are in total control of the legislation. Once any compromise exists they immediately quit the team and retreat to the sidelines to better taunt those actually trying to do things.

                  And please cut out the odd attacks on someone for talking on a blog. You, yourself, are of course talking about how you deal with the real people...on the blog.

                  "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

                  by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:33:43 AM PDT

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  •  To my way of thinking (7+ / 0-)

    if a politician wins an election based on promises made to the constituents that elected him/her, then it is absolutely valid to expect those promises to be honored.  If they are not, it is our responsibility to remind him/her of those promises.  In fact, Obama invited us to do just that.

    Those that are most threatened by us are those that are most unsure of themselves.

    by Steven Payne on Thu May 13, 2010 at 10:44:56 AM PDT

    •  As I pointed out, it is never enough though. (0+ / 0-)

      No matter what he and Congress do, it is never ever enough. I've dealt with people like that myself. No matter what you do for them they are ready with a complaint.

      At some point you tune them out.

      "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

      by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 10:52:19 AM PDT

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      •  It should be expected (6+ / 0-)

        that we won't get all we want.  That's politics.  Compromise is often the name of the game.  However, much of the frustration coming from the left is the realization that too much compromise has been made in the name of unreciprocated bipartisanship.  I think that criticism if valid and we are obligated to stand up and say so.

        Those that are most threatened by us are those that are most unsure of themselves.

        by Steven Payne on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:00:01 AM PDT

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        •  Obvious response: HE RAN ON BIPARTISANSHIP! (1+ / 0-)
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          But of course the same people criticize him claiming that he is not fulfilling promises he ran on and then turn around and criticize him for trying to be bipartisan...which is something he ran on from the beginning.

          I digress...criticizing him for being too bipartisan is okay in my book. Attacking his motives and calling him a sell out or liar because he is being bipartisan is dishonest and bratty.

          President Obama ran on being bipartisan.

          "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

          by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:03:55 AM PDT

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          •  I agree that the rhetoric (5+ / 0-)

            has been over the top at times and I'm more than happy to hand out donuts to people who can't be civil and respectful.

            And you're right, he did run on bipartisanship.  However, the Republicans abrogated their responsibility to work in good faith at which point the promise of bipartisanship should have been set aside to get the work done.  Fortunately, I'm beginning to see more and more Democrats who realize this.

            Those that are most threatened by us are those that are most unsure of themselves.

            by Steven Payne on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:09:46 AM PDT

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          •  He ran on the premise (5+ / 0-)

            that he would win people over to "our" arguments and his proposed policies.

            Contrary to what you keep parroting in very vague and general terms, we've gotten very little of what was promised, and many of our policy ideas are not even allowed at the table.  While that happens we see that any cockamamie repub idea is allowed, and some are even included in the legislation.

            •  Included in the legislation? (5+ / 0-)

              Hell! They have been coopting Repulican legislation since the Clinton Administration. Telecomm "reform", Banking "reform", Health Insurance "reform", energy "reform" which gives the lion's share of the money to mature, old line energy concerns with only scraps left over for new initiatives; at some point one wonders if the Party Platform is even relevant anymore.

              A Republican is someone who can't enjoy his privileged position unless he is certain that somewhere, someone is in excruciating agony. I Love OCD

              by nippersdad on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:18:01 AM PDT

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          •  Ah, but bi-partisanship is a one way street (2+ / 0-)
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            and it seems to be the only promise he has kept.  Not good enough.  I mean people get upset by secret prisons, doing away with Miranda warnings, codling Bush criminals, off-shore drilling, endless war, and all the other fascist stuff supported by this WH.

            You seem to be saying ... just ignore all the crap that flows out of this WH ... it's just politics anyway.  I say I hope he enjoys his one term.  Lesser of evil isn't looking a whole better than teh evil.

  •  you are right, and we need to educate people (1+ / 0-)
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    Common Cents

    I am a former elected public official, and have also done legislative advocacy work. The unrealistic expectations, and naivete, of many posters here, is stunning at times. Look at the recent plea for Kagan to bare every aspect of her soul so that we can get some some sort of purgative theatrical performance... the person calling for that, do not seem to comprehend the environment in which we live. The GOp is caustic, friends - do you not know that by now?

    There are rules, most of the time unwritten, but which need to restated every now and again. I suppose the first one ( not original with me) is this:

    "political decisions are never made on the basis of how logical or intelligent they are" ( they are made based on who supports them and who does not).

    and also

    "don't insult the politician who is trying to help you"

    there are more.

    "We'll always have Paris" - Rick Blaine

    by guavaboy on Thu May 13, 2010 at 10:54:12 AM PDT

    •  Some forget political parties are about support. (1+ / 0-)
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      You are supposed to support your candidates and leaders. When that breaks down what is the purpose of the party? How do you expect them to get things done?

      On health care, you have politicians getting death threats and thousands of calls against ANY health care bill. And then those on the left, your supposed allies, are calling and threatening a primary opponent if you don't support one particular piece of the health care bill that has no chance of passage.

      Democratic politicians are rarely given the type of support of their Republican opponents once elected.

      "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

      by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:07:00 AM PDT

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      •  That would be because we do not have (3+ / 0-)
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        Clues, cybrestrike, OldAthena

        authoritarian mindsets. One might think that Democratic pols might recognize that and make allowance for it when they evade their responsibilities to at least show an effort in achieving the platforms that they ran on.

        No one, or at least very few, voted for Obama to expand offshore drilling, limit the ability of women to their right of choice, to continue pushing off budget war bills for wars that they did not want to stay in or give the Insurance cartels an unrestricted monopoly and mandates to buy their products.

        A Republican is someone who can't enjoy his privileged position unless he is certain that somewhere, someone is in excruciating agony. I Love OCD

        by nippersdad on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:26:14 AM PDT

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  •  It's tough being a politician in a system like (3+ / 0-)

    this where you have to deal with real people and issues beyond some theories or ideological concepts. The sooner we progressive temper our expectations with reality, the better-off we are going to be in the long run. The very fundamental problem we have is the belief that there's a quiet majority of leftist/progressives in this country. We assume even if this were not the case, we can easily convince a majority of our 'rightness' and that's all it takes to move things in our direction.

    The reality is a bit different. The number of people who would be considered 'leftist' on every single big item issue in this country is small compared to the opposition. the views espoused by most Americans don't tilt the same way on every issue. Add to that the fact that the base of the democratic party is made of groups with a variety of views across the spectrum as well. In a country where people overwhelmingly believe in God, angels and other stuff, thinking that being right is the only recipe for political success is naive.

    We need to recalibrate and realize that we will be vindicated in the end and that the society as whole is going in the progressive direction over time, albeit slowly. This doesn't mean we should stop pushing for change like crazy, it just means we have to have a strategy that takes into consideration the fact that we are working within a coalition. And that every little success matters.

    open your mind or someone else will open it for you, but be careful you don't open it too much for you brain to fall out.

    by carlos the jackal on Thu May 13, 2010 at 10:59:05 AM PDT

    •  When is the End? Liberals Were Testably Correct (8+ / 0-)

      on any number of hard number issues 40 years ago, but the Democratic party became a 2nd conservative party in the interim and is now way to the right of testable reality.

      The DNC donor issues questionnaire on my desk today does not mention climate change or alternative energy. These are immediate national security issues and there's a great deal of ominous hard math to them.

      The party is conservative and it's still moving to the right.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:02:19 AM PDT

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      •  Good point. You are still talking about the party (0+ / 0-)

        mostly though, while I also referred to the country. Maybe the point is that a big majority of Americans would be considered what you called 'Conservatives'.

        open your mind or someone else will open it for you, but be careful you don't open it too much for you brain to fall out.

        by carlos the jackal on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:06:12 AM PDT

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  •  They Don't Pay Any Attention to Us (5+ / 0-)

    and they don't care if we're not their friends.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:00:00 AM PDT

    •  Who wants friends who assail them constantly? (2+ / 0-)
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      Would you listen to people that see every compromise you make as proof you are a villain?

      "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

      by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:08:29 AM PDT

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    •  And I don't blame them if all we have to offer (1+ / 0-)
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      Common Cents

      is constant carping and sniping at their toes.

      Between birthers, deathers and mouth-breathers, the gop has got 'teh crazy' and 'teh stoopid' covered.

      by amk for obama on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:08:59 AM PDT

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      •  We get to carp (1+ / 0-)
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        m00finsan

        it's the only thing we do get.  

        We certainly aren't electing many Democrats with spines and morals.

      •  That argument might have fared better (1+ / 0-)
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        Clues

        if all we had to offer was constant carping and sniping at their toes.

        Three things you left out of that list of things we have to offer are time, money, and votes:

        Time (that could just as easily been spent doing other things, like housecleaning or whatnot) to get out and tell family, friends, friends of friends, and maybe a random passerby or two, to vote for Candidate X because of this that and the other;

        Money (which also can be just as easily used to buy groceries or pay bills) to fund Candidate X's (re)election campaign along with other GOTV measures and someplace for Candidate X to sleep at night on the campaign trail;

        And most importantly, votes to ultimately get Candidate X into his/her desired office.

        Now, presumably we're donating all of those things to Candidate X because we like what s/he is promising and believe s/he can deliver on those promises. However, if X doesn't deliver on those promises in a meaningful and timely fashion, then just as easily as all those things went to X they can go to Candidate Y (who seems more capable of delivering on his/her promises than Candidate X and also has a higher tolerance of "progressive whining.")

        Or, if Candidate Y isn't looking so hot, there's a house to clean and bills to pay.

        "I don't want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me." -droogie6655321

        by m00finsan on Thu May 13, 2010 at 01:12:54 PM PDT

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  •  fringe-dwellers make lousy friends (2+ / 0-)
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    Common Cents, amk for obama

    It's an unfortunate fact I learned a while back.  Far-lefties aren't a whole lot more pleasant to be around than far-righties.  Different flavor of rhetoric, but same hardline mania and unrelenting amounts of unhappiness, which they'll try to drag you into.  Sometimes the far-lefties are worse, because with the righties I don't feel bad about just dismissing them from the get-go.

    I know they mean well, but if I find myself in the company of anybody who's too extreme politically, I try to extricate myself from the situation as quietly as possible.  Saves a lot of misery.

    "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

    by Front Toward Enemy on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:00:55 AM PDT

  •  Wait a minute, does that mean you are a centrist? (0+ / 0-)

    It's hard to keep up with the constant changes in definitions these day. I'd like to have some diaries on these definitions so we can put ourselves in the 'appropriate' camps.

    open your mind or someone else will open it for you, but be careful you don't open it too much for you brain to fall out.

    by carlos the jackal on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:19:50 AM PDT

  •  One of the reasons I voted for Obama (9+ / 0-)

    is that he promised to do away with the "boom and bust" cycle of the economy, to put people back to work in good jobs and stop the outsourcing.

    I lost my job in 2007 and have never found another one. Things have gotten worse and worse. I don't qualify for unemployment and I have no savings left.

    The Democrats are supposed to be the party that cares about PEOPLE, not corporations, yet all their behavior seems skewed to favor corporate interests and not mine and not those of anyone like me.

    He and the Dems in Congress will do nothing about REAL job creation -- the stimulus didn't help any of the long-term, hard-core unemployed like me and millions like me.

    I am NEVER going to vote for a Republican, so I don't want to hear any "President Palin" crap, but the Dems are increasingly straying from the party platform -- and I'm not sure "straying" is strong enough when it comes to crap like the Stupak amendment. What ARE they doing for me? Nothing. I am invisible to them.

    As far as the health insurance reform bill passing, that does nothing for me right now either. I am an unemployed, uninsured woman over 50 with no young children and I am in moderately good health -- as far as I know. Until the Medicaid provisions start in 2014, how does this help me?

    We need jobs in this country, real work with decent wages, that hire everyone who wants to work. Private industry won't do that. They don't want anyone over 50. They don't want any minorities, the disabled, the transgendered -- anyone not in that magical societal "norm." Whatever that is, it isn't me.

    Until the Democrats realize this and start working on putting this country back to work, they are going to disappoint me and lots of people like me. What reason do I have to vote at all? To keep from having President Palin? Please. If people don't have jobs pretty soon, fascism is going to be what's rearing its ugly head in this country, and she will be its less-ugly figurehead.

    "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." -- Mark Twain

    by Brooke In Seattle on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:20:13 AM PDT

    •  I'm sorry for your situation. (2+ / 0-)
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      That does not mean we have to say no progress has been made. And the fact that there is work still to be done does not mean progress has been made.

      What happens is increasingly stories like yours are told to imply nothing positive has been accomplished. That simply isn't so.

      And if you want more expansive progress the answer is not to attack the Dems every time they make positive steps. Rewarding success of your party and fighting for more reform is the answer.

      The health care bill may not help you. I don't know your situation. But it has helped many already and it will help more on down the line. How is that a bad thing? Why can't we be positive about that at all?

      The stimulus helped avoid a depression and this administration pulled us out of a recession. How is that not a good thing? The fact that we have more work to do does not imply we can't defend the record of progress and accomplishment.

      No one that I know of says mission accomplished. We simply argue that this President's leadership at home and abroad has been good. He has made some real progress in important areas.

      I don't think we do ourselves any good when we ignore any positives and attack our leaders instead for not doing enough.

      If you keep attacking and ignoring progress then there won't be any Democrats willing to listen to you because they'll either be voted out of office or unwilling to fight for people that hate them.

      "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

      by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:29:50 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  But that is the REALITY out here. (5+ / 0-)

        People are not patient.  They want to see results.  They do understand what Bush left, but all this other stuff you are talking about is irrelevant as long as we have MILLIONS of "Brooke's in Seattle" out here.  And there are MILLIONS and that is what November is going to be about.  All this other chatter that you are talking about, no one is feelin it when they have been unemployed for over 2 years.  Get from behind your computer screen and talk to real people, you will get an earful.

        •  People being impatient doesn't make it right. (1+ / 0-)
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          Why don't you get out from behind your computer screen? I love that you are typing away and telling others how much you know about people. How do you know that others don't also go out and see people and then come back and type like you are claiming to do?

          If people are impatient, that is not something that can be fixed by politicians or the law. Our system takes time. Patience is a virtue. If people lack that any criticism that is fired from the field of impatience is likely flawed.

          How is the president supposed to fix an economy it took a couple of decades to destroy in a few months?

          How is the president supposed to change the culture of politics that spent decades becoming polarized in a few months?

          All he can do is work with what he has and hope there are like minded people that will be realistic and patient. Because he can't walk on water. He can't transform the world in a couple of years.

          Anyone that expects or expected that need only look in the mirror to see who to blame for their discontent.

          "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

          by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:40:57 AM PDT

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        •  Thank you. (5+ / 0-)

          And PS: Obama just now said in his address that is being shown on TV, "Government CAN'T create jobs. Government can only create the environment in which jobs can be created."

          Hoo-fucking-ray.

          So I get to wait until private industry decides to start hiring people over 50 again.

          Obama also just said this, "A majority of people without insurance are working. Poor people without jobs are on Medicaid."

          OMG. He doesn't even understand how the program works.

          Now, diarist: Give me a reason to care about either party at this point?

          "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." -- Mark Twain

          by Brooke In Seattle on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:50:27 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  You can give up if you'd like. (2+ / 0-)
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            I don't think that is an option.

            Look, the president is correct. If we want sustainable job growth it has to be in the private sector. Not the public sector. What job did you want the government to hire you for? Do you want to dig ditches? You want to pave roads?

            The government can't sustain being the primary employer of its citizens.

            The government can create a vibrant and robust environment for economic growth.

            The government can provide training and educational opportunities to better your prospects.

            The government can subsidize your basic needs like health care and the like.

            But only Democrats think that the government should play those roles. President Obama thinks he has a role to play in helping you help yourself. Republicans think you are on your own.

            Pick a side. It never works out as quickly or exactly like you hope. But you have to pick a side or give up.

            I can tell you that if you want a better future for yourself and for future generations that you need to care and be a Democrat.

            "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

            by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 12:00:42 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Sincerely curious (2+ / 0-)
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            What specific actions would you recomend the President, and Congress, each take to resolve the problems of someone like you?

            Legalism: strict conformity to the letter of the law rather than its spirit

            by Catte Nappe on Thu May 13, 2010 at 12:43:06 PM PDT

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            •  One thing I'd wish they'd do (2+ / 0-)
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              is amend the laws for iras and 401ks for anyone over 50, so that they can get their money out now without a tax penalty, instead of making them sit through years of unemployment first.

              In some cases, that might even remove people from the workforce all together.

              They just gave businesses who provide retirees with health care plans incentives to continue to do so.  There aren't so many of those left around, but if they combined that with incentives for early retirement as well, that might get some more people out of the workforce.

              It wouldn't make people like Brooke rich, but it might allow them to move more gracefully out of the workforce.

              Little Friskies for dinner isn't all it's cracked up to be.

      •  In what universe (4+ / 0-)

        have we been pulled out of a recession?

        You keep making these sweeping statements about the glorious stimulus, and the wonderful healthcare reform bill, but when people point out to you the ways in which these things are not so wonderful, you have no comments for that.

        Generalized statements about how wonderful our politicians are just don't cut it when you're talking to wonks at Daily Kos who each have all the details about their particular areas of interest.

        There have been one or two good accomplishments made.  The stimulus program gave a few unemployed people some jobs (mostly temporary).  HCR will help the poor.  (It will, however push some of the working poor into bankruptcy, while lining the pockets of the insurance companies.)

        Some of us applaud the few good things that have been done, but stand firmly behind our statements that we are deeply and utterly unsatisfied with how many of the campaign promises are being totally ignored.  What's worse, is that we do not even see in them the will to provide these things.  It's one thing to fight the good fight and lose, it's entirely another to throw your supporters under the bus.

        Here's a few for you -  

        How can Obama's administration claim to support working people when he applauds the wholesale firing of an entire school's worth of teachers in R.I.?  When he sends Geithner to India to applaud offshoring?

        What are the economic priorities of this administration and congress, and why do they speak about "the economy" as though it's Wall St. first, jobs second.  Why have they not even mentioned wage growth?  Why does a net gain of a few thousand jobs, with no details about what kinds of jobs those may be, spur such elation when we've had no wage growth at all in over 20 years and our middle class is on its knees?

        Is this why you left the front page comment section and started your own diary on it?  Because the questions got too hard there?  It's really easy to say thing like "record breaking stimulus package", having little or no actual idea where the money went, who it helped, and what the results of that stimulus package were.  I think you should either be prepared to start discussing specifics, or give up the cheerleading.

        •  I've said we aren't done. Nothing is perfect. (0+ / 0-)

          So I've conceded that health care reform is both historic and progress, but that it isn't perfect.

          What I hear is backhanded compliments and dismissal of progress so that we can quickly focus on how bad legislation is.

          On the stimulus, I'm glad you are so flippant about the "few" given jobs. I'm sure they are happy about it. Why is it that the story is always those not hired rather than those hired? And of course jobs saved mean nothing to most critics because they can't tangibly see someone  keep a job. The easy story is those that lost a job or get hired. Keeping a job is very important.

          Further, on this temporary business. All I keep hearing is how we need more public works projects and the like. And if Obama is serious he would concentrate on jobs and do public works and things of this nature and make the government a primary employer of Americans. Those types of jobs are typically temporary as well. Just like the supposed temporary stimulus jobs.

          But the stimulus did not just create public works jobs. It saved jobs for millions indirectly. Small business owners and employers got tax cuts that helped them keep employees. Money was flushed into the system to keep up demand for service industry jobs, and producers of goods for sale. There was a lot going on and this economy desperately needed it.

          On health care. Pre-existing conditions are done. Subsidies for the poor so that they can get covered was done. Do we need more cost cutting measures. Sure. But the problem is that in trying to cut cost no one wants to lower the quality of care. So this is a tough nut to crack. Right now access has been expanded. Do we need to cut costs? Sure. But progress has been made in access. That is excellent for those that had no access.

          And of course there is also the foreign policy issues. The President is overseeing a successful war on Al Qeada in Afghanistan. The rebuilding...I'm not so sure, but he is taking the fight to the terrorists quite well as he promised. And on rebuilding, you would think all the humanitarian leftists would rejoice in him trying to help a poor set of people.

          He is withdrawing from Iraq on the timetable Bush eschewed. Good for him.

          He is reducing the threat of nuclear holocaust by signing treaties to reduce arms and pledge no nuclear attack on non-nuclear countries without biological/chemical provocation.

          He is making the world a safer place by putting diplomacy above arrogance.

          But you probably don't care about any of that.

          What is happening in India is inevitable. How do you stop outsourcing now? Globalization is a fact of life. I don't know of anyone that claims we can stop it. If you have a way please let us know. Do you want to outlaw multinational corporations? Provide some solutions here. As for the firings of teachers. I doubt the president is applauding that. But budgetary realities are hitting everywhere. Including in the federal government. We are going to be forced to make cuts and change how we think about economics by deficit realities.

          The president believes that the private sector is the job creator. That any hope for sustainable growth and permanent jobs for people is going to come from the government creating a robust environment for private sector growth. So things like opening up credit by stabilizing investment banks and the like is critical. If you don't agree, then that is perfectly fine and arguable. I don't think the government can be the primary employer of citizens. I don't think that is sustainable. If you want something other than temporary work. You need to concentrate on fixing the private sector. Perhaps you think Wall Street isn't the answer. But I say solving the banking and investment crisis will be the foundation for creating jobs.

          "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

          by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 12:18:20 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Good god, do some reading (4+ / 0-)

            before you come in here with crap like that.

            As for the firings of teachers. I doubt the president is applauding that.

            Obama applauds firing of R.I teachers

            Further, on this temporary business. All I keep hearing is how we need more public works projects and the like. And if Obama is serious he would concentrate on jobs and do public works and things of this nature and make the government a primary employer of Americans. Those types of jobs are typically temporary as well. Just like the supposed temporary stimulus jobs.

            Well, you aren't hearing that from me.  However, the Apollo Project seems to have provided some very nice jobs that lasted decades.  It's too bad we don't have the same drive to get off fossil fuels as we did to get to the moon.

            What is happening in India is inevitable. How do you stop outsourcing now? Globalization is a fact of life. I don't know of anyone that claims we can stop it. If you have a way please let us know. Do you want to outlaw multinational corporations? Provide some solutions here.

            I know you're a big fan of the stimulus and everything, but you could do with a few eye openers on stimulus money, tax advantages, and job creation and retention.  Corporations are only interested in the quarterly numbers and they'll do what they want, but maybe you can tell me why our government wants so badly to help them send our jobs and our tax money overseas.

            Here's an interesting case for you -  how about being unemployed, having them take taxes out of your pitiful unemployment check and then finding out they've spent the money like this?  

            But by all means, let's support our representatives, after all, they've kissed all those damn babies.....and that's ONE job that can't be sent offshore.

    •  Brooke, if you're unemployed... (5+ / 0-)

      ... you should immediately report to the nearest OFA office for volunteer phone banking.

      He kissed babies for your vote. BABIES!!! Those things have germs, you know?

      And you repay him by bitching on a blog? Nuh-uh. Log some phone time, if you want to see some action on the job front.

      He might've ASKED you to hold him accountable, but he didn't really mean it.

      Regards,
      Corporate Dog

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      We didn't elect Obama to be an expedient president. We elected him to be a great one. -- Eugene Robinson

      by Corporate Dog on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:34:52 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Corporate, (1+ / 0-)
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        Corporate Dog

        this woman needs a job.  Is OFA going to pay her for time to log into phone banking?  If so, give her a name and contact number.  I am sure most of her time is devoted to finding a JOB.

        This is the double edge part of politics.  When the perception is that you have not come through, people become disenchanted and let you go.  That is the problem out here, we need these voters to vote in November.  They ran to the polls for Obama, now we must give them something to run to in November.

        But telling her to go to an OFA office, to hold Obama or Democrats accountable, is a nice gesture but the woman needs MONEY which equates a JOB.

      •  Hmmm... (1+ / 0-)
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        If it is so easy to run and be elected why don't you do it? Why don't more of the spectators get involved?

        You know? Sacrifice any privacy and time with your family so that you can go out and be berated by those you are trying to help.

        Oh and also you can deal with the fun death threats.

        Yeah, Obama didn't sacrifice anything. That elitist Republican in disguise should be primaried post-haste.

        "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

        by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:47:21 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Why not run for office? Easy question. (3+ / 0-)
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          1.) I know my social network of software developers, comic book aficionados, and Syracuse University graduates might SEEM like it has a lot of power in Washington, but that's all a facade.

          2.) Nobody forces you into a life of public service, just as nobody pursues such a life with their eyes closed.

          I willingly admit that I wouldn't want to deal with the negatives. The phrase "career politician" suggests that there's an entire category of people who don't mind them.

          3.) I could stand to go a few rounds with a Bowflex, if you know what I mean. 24-hour news cycles and YouTube aren't kind.

          4.) Dollar, dollar bill y'all.

          Regards,
          Corporate Dog

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          We didn't elect Obama to be an expedient president. We elected him to be a great one. -- Eugene Robinson

          by Corporate Dog on Thu May 13, 2010 at 12:11:51 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Go Orange ;-) n/t (2+ / 0-)
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            "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

            by tardis10 on Thu May 13, 2010 at 12:26:56 PM PDT

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          •  But criticisms often imply they have it easy. (1+ / 0-)
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            Rarely is anyone forced into any life that they pursue, but that doesn't mean it lacks challenges.

            The problem is often that people think being a politician is rather easy. They think they could do it and much better than those currently in the profession.

            Which is the foundation for attacks like "Why don't they just do X?" As if "X" would be so easy and only someone uninterested would not do it.

            There are a ton of trade-offs for being a politician and most that think they could do it, couldn't.

            I just wish their criticisms were shaded by the reality that it isn't as easy to write a bill as it is to write an email.

            "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

            by Common Cents on Thu May 13, 2010 at 12:26:56 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Going Pomeranian (4+ / 0-)

              Having it easy is not the major complaint.  You don't see a large group of people on here, and certainly no front pagers complaining that our elected officials "have it easy".  So you can rebut that all day if you want.

              What people are complaining about is that they are not strategizing properly, and part of the reason why they may not be is that they've been bought by corporate interests.

              Bipartisanship.  Really?  First of all, that will buy them NO votes in November.  Second, they call it the party of "NO" for a reason.  All it does is move the goalposts until we're approving legislation originally written by republicans and STILL catching all their crap for it.

              How much smarter would they have been to stick to their guns, deliver what they promised, and avoid pissing off Democrats in the first place?  Then people like you wouldn't have to go out in public calling their fellow Democrats whiners for simply asking for what they've been promised?

              Nobody is upset with them for "having it easy".  Everyone is upset with them for not doing what they said they'd do, and for kowtowing to the right in some meaningless display of bipartisanship.

              In my dog training group (and with many apologies to owners of Pomeranians), we call that "Going Pomeranian".  That's when someone says something mildly corrective, and their dog rolls over on his back and pees all over himself.  The repubs must be laughing themselves silly every time our reps do that.

            •  It's also not easy to write a Java program... (3+ / 0-)
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              ... when the government agency you're working with keeps changing their mind on the data exchange format, and you have a deadline looming.

              What's your point? All work has challenges. And if I produce substandard output, then I get yelled at too.

              The only difference is that when I produce substandard output, my screw ups don't effect quite so many people, in quite so direct a manner.

              Which is the foundation for attacks like "Why don't they just do X?" As if "X" would be so easy and only someone uninterested would not do it.

              'Uninterested'? Try, 'out-of-touch'.

              And that has nothing to do with their job title, but rather, all the other barriers-to-entry that I listed in my last post.

              Regards,
              Corporate Dog

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              We didn't elect Obama to be an expedient president. We elected him to be a great one. -- Eugene Robinson

              by Corporate Dog on Thu May 13, 2010 at 01:05:52 PM PDT

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  •  Those big meanies! (7+ / 0-)

    Damn those big meanies...yelling at their politicians (when they're not busy standing in the unemployment line, or begging the bank not to take their house), trying to get them to keep their promises!

    How dare they ask for the things they were promised after giving all that money and all that time?

    Don't they know that politics is too complicated for them to understand?  Why can't they just stop hurting everyone's feelings about this?  How can someone be expected to enjoy the millions they just got from the nice lobbyists with all these people yelling at them all the time about jobs and crap like that?

  •  Nice effort Common Cents. Unfortunately the MSM (3+ / 0-)
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    is right owned for the most part and every perspective is through that lens. Therefore Democrats/progressives must make 10 times the effort to blow away the "popular" meme before they can even present a picture of their basic platform.

    I will agree though..some criticism appears to "help"  or arm the teabaggers who are too stupid to form cogent yell worthy slogans of their own.

    It's a difficult task..trying to pull the Overton window hard left (just to reach slightly left) without aiding the Gop side...But!. It must be done!

    The Progressive Democrats cannot take it easy..not now not even close.

    We need people like slinkerwink fighting all out. Until the MSM is at least equally representative of Progressive and conservative views, The progressive Democrats must hammer and hammer hard.

    IMHO   :)

    "you Are the Un-Americans, and You Ought to be Ashamed of Yourselves":Paul Robeson Appears Before HUAC

    by Eric Nelson on Thu May 13, 2010 at 01:17:02 PM PDT

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