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After watching Rand Paul on TRMS last night, I decided to write to him using the contact tool on his campaign website.  Here is what I wrote:

To Rand Paul,
I live in Graves Co. I am a speech-language pathologist who homeschooled her children to adulthood and studied lots of libertarian philosophy along the way along with deep study of educational philosophy, which led me to unschooling.  And I don't want anybody telling me I have to get my kids tested by someone who does not agree with my approach to education or tell me I have to have an approved curriculum.   I get it.  I understand your point of view.  My daughter even got enamored of Ayn Rand  as a young adolescent because I had her books in the house--although I have to tell you she continues to be an ardent liberal Democrat.

But you don't get it about what a democracy is all about.  And you don't understand that no one--especially not Rachel Maddow in her very fair interview-- is saying you are racist or hold racist views.  What they are pointing out is that your extreme anti-government ideology leads to positions (that in turn lead to votes) that have as a result perpetuation of racism in private venues of our society.   That if you were to be elected to the U.S. Senate, you would affect laws negatively that most citizens in Kentucky would ardently support.  Whining petulantly that this is "political" and "not an issue" was a juvenile and adolescent response.  Voters have a right to know your views and not hear you avoiding answering the question and stonewalling like the classic politicians you claim to be different from.  At  least be honest!!

When you say you want to "take our government back" you are echoing dictators who want to impose their ideologies on the citizenry.  You are saying you do not want to represent me, Leslie in Graves County, who does not agree with your extreme views.  I want our politicians to act like grown-ups and be able to acknowledge that other points of view have validity and that democracy involves compromise and majority rule.  I want acknowledgment that we are a pluralistic society with people that have diverse views.   The Tea Party is only one of those views--a noisy one--but it is not the majority view.  

I am sure you will not respond, but at least don't make the mistake Mitch McConnell made and send a form letter designed for someone who had expressed a different concern which was antithetical to my views and then someone put me on Republican mailing lists and McConnell supporter lists.    So don't put me on your supporter list because I am not and never will be.  

I will say you are going to equally energize the opposition.  All that energy of the Tea Party is a double-edged sword.

Thank you for motivating me to get involved to volunteer to work for your defeat!

Best wishes for your health and well-being.

Originally posted to Leslie in KY on Thu May 20, 2010 at 05:35 AM PDT.

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    •  nice to hear from sensible Kentuckians (9+ / 0-)

      Continue to speak out, and encourage other sensible Kentucky residents to push back against the crazies.  Kentucky looks like total lune-ville when we see the senators, Loon 1 and Loon2, with a complete TeaBagger in the wings!

      "Drill Baby Drill": Stupid in 2008, criminally stupid now.

      by MD patriot on Thu May 20, 2010 at 06:13:35 AM PDT

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      •  thank you, even (5+ / 0-)

        in western Kentucky there are a few of us sensible folks.  Ironically I was raised in conservative southern Illinois by ardent Goldwater Republican parents--which might be why I understand the flaws of the philosophy as well as the appeal.

         I knocked on a lot of doors here in 2008 before I decided to spend my time in Indiana (obviously more productive use of my time).  While it is true that this area is very conservative, it is also heavily registered as Democratic.  So there is an opening there.  I found many people in canvassing that were genuinely searching for honest discussion of the issues.  

        My son scoffs at the Paul-ites and says, "What do you expect from Rand Paul?  He doesn't want us to have any roads!"  

        "No more roads!!! Rand Paul for Senate"

         

  •  Rachel asked a simple question (30+ / 0-)

    "Do you believe businesses should be allowed to discriminate based on race?"  

    She asked this question over a dozen times, and quite clearly expressed it and insisted on an answer.  Paul's refusal to answer it and desperate tap-dancing all around it was answer enough for any fair viewer.

    •  Apparently he was asked that question a few (15+ / 0-)

      times yesterday and he never said "Yes" or "No". They are practically BEGGING him on Morning Joe to come out and "clarify" his statement today to save his campaign. SMH. I say "don't save [him] he don't wanna be saved"

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      We can't have nice things can we? Because we have to legislate to the craziest and the dumbest among us.
      ~Jon Stewart 4/13/2010
      Also.

      by Muzikal203 on Thu May 20, 2010 at 05:46:53 AM PDT

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    •  What was with the guns-in-restaurants thing? (11+ / 0-)

      Can someone explain why Rand Paul thinks that if the government has the right to say that a restaurant that serves the public can't reject patrons due to their race, then the business owner can't tell people not to bring guns into the restaurant?

      I understand why Rachel didn't go there, but I couldn't see what link Rand thinks there is between the issues. Nor, for that matter, could I figure out why he thinks that denying service to a black person in a public restaurant is an act of free speech.

      Anyway, I think Rachel did get a clear answer to her question. Private business owners have a right to do anything they please and should never be restricted by the government. I wonder if he applies that principle to safety laws? More devastatingly, he made it clear that this is just a theoretical argument to him & he has no idea how this principle affects real people.

      Good letter, by the way!

      •  That's not what he thinks (4+ / 0-)

        First, he doesn't think the government has the right to tell a restaurant owner that they can't discriminate against customers on the basis of race, gender, religion, etc. Or for that matter, discriminating against their employees, either.

        He is imagining that the right to refuse to do business with a person is a basic human right, while the right to not be discriminated against is just a liberal misinterpretation.

        However, he fully supports the right to own guns. Just guessing, he probably thinks there should be no limitations on gun ownership whatever. It sounds like he doesn't think that a restaurant has the right to refuse to do business with someone who is carrying weapons.

        I'm guessing this is something he would want the government to enforce.

        "Too big to fail" is not too big to jail.

        by Angela Quattrano on Thu May 20, 2010 at 06:05:10 AM PDT

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      •  He doesn't think it is an act of free speech (2+ / 0-)
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        Leslie in KY, FireBird1

        He believes it is an act of freedom of association.

        As for the gun thing, I believe his point was simply that its a slippery slope. I'll put forth a better example for him: If the government can force racist business owners to serve black people, what is to stop the government from forcing black people to serve racist customers?

        Of course, his argument really has nothing to do with race at all, so the people calling him racist and the like in the other threads are being disingenuous. As a Libertarian, he obviously believes that people should be able to do whatever they want (besides abortions, of course) -- that is their entire platform. I'm sure he also doesn't believe that Doctors should need a license of any sort to practice. Crazy, I'd say, but not racist.

      •  From my pov (5+ / 0-)

        he was saying that if restaurant owners can decide that armed people cannot enter their premises, then they also have the right to restrict access to any one else they choose.  It is a shaky analogy as one is a safety issue and the other a discrimination issue.

        My take on the free speech angle is that he is saying racism is speech and although he doesn't condone it, it is a protected right.  To that I say... bull hockey.  

        Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you're alive, it isn't.

        by EdgedInBlue on Thu May 20, 2010 at 06:16:51 AM PDT

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      •  I believe I can interpret "teh crazy": (5+ / 0-)

        In a misguided effort to "rationalize" his views that laws that impact "private" businesses (like forcing restaurants, hotels, shops, on and on) to be open to "everyone" aka African Americans, you have infringed on a Constitutional RIGHT to the FREE SPEACH of the owner.

        Using a false equivalency, he tries to turn the issue on a way that would offend liberals, that if you regulate a private owners right to FREE SPEACH, the owner of a public place MUST allow 2nd Amendment Rights to carry a gun wherever they want, i.e. into the store.

        Its all B.S.-- And everytime he began an answer with "its interesting" (and he did to the point that my wife and I were cringing) he was dodging the simple "yes"/"no" question of whether he would repeal the portion of the civil rights act that prohibits businesses from discrimination based on whatever the business owner wants.

        That is my meger attempt to put into English his transparent racism into English.  Of course, he "abhors" racism in all forms, but he wants the Civil Rights Act that prohibits private discrimination in everyday necessities like eating, hotels, shops and the 90% of American that is private from a law prohibiting racism.

        The guy is full of shit.  Its not even worth the effort to equate the 2nd Amendment with skin color and he knows it.  Let him talk his way out of any chance of election.  I feel for Rachel who showed unbelievable patience in not screaming, YES or NO?

        Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole.

        by 4CasandChlo on Thu May 20, 2010 at 06:20:51 AM PDT

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        •  The Supreme Court in interpreting this issue: (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Leslie in KY

          Said it was a constitutionally permissible for Congress to enforce non-discrimination on private businesses as an extension of the Commerce Clause, in that the Federal Government can regulate activity that impacts interstate commerce.  It was easy to see that it was ridiculous for any minority to look for welcoming places whenever they passed state lines.

          He is also against the ADA, he thinks the Government has no right to say a business with over a certain number of employees to not hire someone who has a disibility that can be overcome by the business, i.e. by simply installing wheel chair access.

          Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole.

          by 4CasandChlo on Thu May 20, 2010 at 06:30:07 AM PDT

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          •  he gave an inadequate example (3+ / 0-)
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            for this position also.  He said something to the effect that a business could better decide how to accommodate someone.  For example they could put an employee's office on the first floor and not install an expensive elevator.  

            Great.  So the employee can work there but can't interact with anyone on the upper floors, or attend meetings or employee events on the other floors.  What if the employee doesn't feel the employer's accommodations are giving him/her an appropriate work environment to do their job? What redress does the employee have?  

            My father lost his job at age 41 due to a stroke that paralyzed his right leg. period. no other problems, no cognitive deficits, nothing.  This was 1963 and he was able to go on to work for a local power company as an assistant mechanical engineer only because it was a small town and someone from the church got him on at the plant.  But Missouri Portland Cement cut him loose after the stroke for no reason at all, despite the fact that he was supposed to be starting at a new plant in Metropolis, being transferred from St. Louis.

            Oh yes, and then at age 85 he suddenly developed lung cancer which I am sure was caused by asbestos exposure from the days when they sent him to the asbestos plant in St. Louis in the 1950's.  But no way to prove it.  Paul wouldn't want the government making companies pay for those kinds of things either, I'm sure.

      •  Apparently, being black and being armed (5+ / 0-)

        with a deadly weapon are the same thing to this guy.

        Democrats are dogs, and Power is the car we chase: we don't know what to do with it once we catch it.
        --@jameskass

        by ThatsNotFunny on Thu May 20, 2010 at 06:21:26 AM PDT

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      •  Apparently he does not believe in my right (4+ / 0-)
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        Dallasdoc, vet, moose67, ahumbleopinion

        to eat in a restaurant without worry of being blown away by the guys in the booth next to me getting shit-faced and having a shoot-out.
        Ah, Libertarians.

        He came across on Rachel's show as a really creepy person.

        "It's not just the premiums - It's those high deductibles and out-of-pockets."

        by Cassandra77 on Thu May 20, 2010 at 06:38:49 AM PDT

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    •  As Paul said, he was one year old when (4+ / 0-)

      Dr. King called for activism but, says Paul, he would have marched with him.

      I concluded that Paul does not agree with the fundamentals of the Civil Rights Act which prohibit discrimination in public places such as restaurants.  

      I am not clear how he connects the many gun issues with prohibiting a person, based on the facility owner's prejudices, from buying a sandwich.  Yet, this guns and sandwiches meme appears to be Paul's only fall back position.  

      The Rachel interview exposed Paul to the up close and personal interaction which requires more than stump speachifying and ideological rhetoric.

      If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done in the library? Lily Tomlin

      by msmacgyver on Thu May 20, 2010 at 06:01:34 AM PDT

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      •  The point isn't what Paul thinks about racism (9+ / 0-)

        The point is that he doesn't believe society should stop racists from practicing discrimination.  He had ample opportunity to say otherwise and refused to do so.

        The guns-in-restaurants thing was a dog-whistle to conservatives.  Since the Second Amendment is the only one they believe in, besides the Tenth, he's inviting his potential supporters to see themselves as part of a discriminated-against group, poor gun owners.  The false equivalency between discrimination and a public safety issue (guns in private businesses where liquor might be served) speaks for itself.

        •  Thanks! Your explanation clarifies many other (2+ / 0-)
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          Dallasdoc, Aranfell

          encoded conservative messaging issues for me.

          I really don't understand so much of the basic craziness and I just could not connect gun ownership with racial discrimination.

          It is a far-fetched false equivalency and one which makes absolutely no sense to me. How could a gun toting racist relate to discrimination in public places based on racial prejudice?

          Is the premise discrimination is discrimination?  If that is the case, is the solution, according to Paul, that any business owner can discriminate against anyone for any reason?  Or, conversely, that no discrimination is permitted for any reason?

          It's all so Catch 22ish.  

          If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done in the library? Lily Tomlin

          by msmacgyver on Thu May 20, 2010 at 07:20:18 AM PDT

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  •  Great letter (10+ / 0-)

    It's too bad that even if he makes it all the way through it, he won't get it.  Good for you!  

    "In our century, we've learned not to fear words" - Lt. Uhura

    by ShempLugosi on Thu May 20, 2010 at 05:43:23 AM PDT

    •  Leslie in KY (7+ / 0-)

      boils it down to the essentials.  Paul can whine about abhoring racism all he wants, but his positions would encourage it. He wants to live in a theoretical Libertarian world, but he doesn't want to face the consequences.

      Real conservatives are conservative. They like rules governing everything. American conservatives only like rules governing other people's pleasure. Digby

      by MadRuth on Thu May 20, 2010 at 06:06:06 AM PDT

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      •  Copy letter to the local newspapers, other media. (1+ / 0-)
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        MadRuth

        Stonewall was a RIOT!

        by ExStr8 on Thu May 20, 2010 at 07:01:41 AM PDT

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        •  great idea-- a much shorter (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          ExStr8, Pam from Calif

          version though or it will never get printed.

          •  The newspapers will edit. It's a great letter. (2+ / 0-)
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            MadRuth, Pam from Calif

            Just send it.

            And many thanks to you for your great job.
            I have lots of dear friends in/from Kentucky,
            and there's not a racist among them--far from
            it.

            Let's give Rand all the rope he wants... and
            then some!

            Stonewall was a RIOT!

            by ExStr8 on Thu May 20, 2010 at 07:11:32 AM PDT

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            •  actually the Paducah Sun won't (3+ / 0-)
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              MadRuth, ExStr8, Pam from Calif

              edit it for length.  I've been through this before and they send it back and say "shorten it."

              Here's a try, but it's still too long.  I'll keep working on it.

              An Open Letter To Rand Paul,
              I am a resident of Graves County following the Senate race with great interest.  As a homeschooling parent I have studied and interacted with practitioners of libertarian philosophy extensively.  I don't want anybody telling me I have to get my kids tested by someone who does not agree with my unschooling approach to education or tell me I have to have an approved curriculum.   I get it.

              But you don't get what a democracy is all about.  And you don't understand that no one in the media is saying you are racist or hold racist views.  What they are pointing out is that your extreme anti-government ideology leads to positions--that in turn lead to votes--that have as a result perpetuation of racism in private venues of our society.   That if you were to be elected to the U.S. Senate, you would affect laws negatively that most citizens in Kentucky would ardently support.  Your claim that the questions are politically motivated and "it’s not an issue" is immature and not very Senatorial.  Voters have a right to know your views and not be subjected to your avoiding and dodging the questions.  

              Your views on the Americans with Disabilities Act also deserves scrutiny.  You claim that business can best decide how to accommodate their employees.  Yes, they can--but will they? What if the employee does not feel the accommodation is adequate? What if the business uses poor accommodation as a strategy to get rid of an employee? In this world where we see corporations trample individuals in pursuit of profits, how can we expect businesses to voluntarily "do the right thing?"  

              This is very real to me because my father lost his job as a mechanical engineer in 1963 simply because he had one paralyzed leg after a stroke.  This is what your ideology would take us back to, along with restaurants that refused to serve minorities.  
              When you say you want to "take our government back" you are echoing dictators who want to impose their ideologies on the citizenry.  You are saying you do not want to represent me, Leslie in Graves County, who does not agree with your extreme views.  I want our politicians to act like grown-ups and be able to acknowledge that other points of view have validity and that democracy involves compromise and majority rule.  I want acknowledgment that we are a pluralistic society with people that have diverse views.   The Tea Party is only one of those views--a noisy one--but it is not the majority view.  

              I will say you are going to equally energize the opposition.  All that energy of the Tea Party is a double-edged sword.

              Thank you for motivating me to get involved to volunteer to work for your defeat!

              Best wishes for your health and well-being.

  •  Nice letter. (10+ / 0-)

    Love what you wrote, Leslie.  Thanks for this.  

    I sent Jack Conway a little bit of money twice now.  I know I will do more as I get more outraged by Rand Paul.  Its only been a little past a day and he has angered me more than anyone has in a long, long time.  

  •  Outstanding analysis of the issue (10+ / 0-)

    Bravo.  Tipped and rec'd.

    That's the way to cut through the "post-racial" bob and weave that these folks are using to exploit what remaining racism exists in their states.

    And a second point is that everybody in America lives in a racist culture; they either fight to free themselves of if or wallow in it.  Thinking it's not an issue is wallowing in it.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Thu May 20, 2010 at 05:45:18 AM PDT

  •  Very well done Leslie in KY, that avoidance and (8+ / 0-)

    stonewalling, that dishonest exclusion of everything that doesn't fit into the simplistic thinking of today's Ayn Rand conservatives, is the petulant and childish straw through which they see the world.

    Conservatism - the current version - is compassionless and uncivilized. And dangerous.

    .

  •  He certainly comes across as a tool. (5+ / 0-)

    In a way I am glad he won the primary, because I think he is quite beatable.  I certainly wish the best for my Kentucky brethren.  We have serious work to do here in Michigan though to prevent an R takeover of the state.

    It's not really cherry picking. Cherries are sweet and delicious. It's more like ...turd mining

    by henlesloop on Thu May 20, 2010 at 05:50:47 AM PDT

  •  I think it was a good letter. (5+ / 0-)

    This was a great point;

    Voters have a right to know your views and not hear you avoiding answering the question and stonewalling like the classic politicians you claim to be different from.  At  least be honest!!

    Didn't everybody get all up in Barack and Michelle's business trying to figure out if they were black liberation theologists (whatever) and distant relatives of Nat Turner because of someone else's opinion? Well, Rand, we just want to know if you support the separate lunch counter and the systematic intimidation of minorities based on your opinions about private business ownership rights, that's all. No need to dodge the question or distance yourself from yourself. You were the one who said it, not your Reverend.

  •  I'm writing him now too! (2+ / 0-)
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    ExStr8, Leslie in KY

    Thanks for the inspiration.

  •  Rand Paul, my hero (3+ / 0-)
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    Cassandra77, ExStr8, kefauver

    Thanks Rand, for always being on the lookout for individuals to scam or swindle. As per usual, you are following the script on the basic manipulative strategies of a psychopath. On the TRMS your persona aimed at gaining the trust of those masochistic Tea Baggers, was one of the best manipulation performance, Sarah Palin style. Keep doing what you're doing, Rand, you have one of the best entertainment reality shows from the political arena, par none.

  •  Thank You Leslie in KY from (3+ / 0-)
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    Cassandra77, ExStr8, Leslie in KY

    California, gave a blessed day.

  •  PS to Rand: (5+ / 0-)

    PS Rand -- I also live in Ky and I'm so glad you are running as the GOP candidate.  Keep talking buddy.  We're going to kick your butt in November.

  •  Homeschooling ADDS to this problem. (1+ / 0-)
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    Edward Spurlock

    It doesn't SOLVE anything but allowing parents to indoctrinate their children.
    I'm on an admissions committee and I red line home schooled automatically due to their inability to function in teams or cooperative situations, often lack empathy needed in health professionals.

    F the right wing whiners. I don't care about them any more they can all F themselves for all I care.

    by UndercoverRxer on Thu May 20, 2010 at 07:29:47 AM PDT

    •  wow, blatant discrimination (1+ / 0-)
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      Aranfell

      of a group based on unfounded prejudice.

      check out some youtubes done by

      goatprincess 84

      then get back to me.

      •  Not unfounded if seen over and over. (1+ / 0-)
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        Edward Spurlock

        I'm sorry my experiences clash with your worldview.

        We look for qualified students who will successfully complete the degree. Too few slots are available to admit students who have been shown to not successfully complete the coursework. We don't admit students from unaccredited schools, I don't see any difference.

        F the right wing whiners. I don't care about them any more they can all F themselves for all I care.

        by UndercoverRxer on Thu May 20, 2010 at 07:53:35 AM PDT

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        •  sounds like (0+ / 0-)

          the same arguments people made about not admitting black folks.  You see over and over they have not been up to doing the work, you know.

        •  also, you are likely (0+ / 0-)

          to miss out on some fabulous students.

          My unschooled daughter, now 25, has completed both a BFA and now an M.S. and both times has been told by faculty she is a breath of fresh air and in her M.S. program the brightest student they've ever seen.  And btw she is getting this degree in orientation and mobility for the visually impaired.  She is outstanding at skills involving empathy, insight, and compassion.  Both times graduated magna cum laude, this time with a perfect 4.0 for the M.S.  (the theater degree was a bit harder and she got 2 B's).  

          My children also had extensive opportunities to participate in an organization that focuses on developing leadership, teamwork, responsibility, and other essential values that are often found in elite private schools that are simply not available where we live in rural Kentucky.  Through this organization they had opportunities to travel and interact with diverse people in a teamwork/leadership situation.  If they had been in our local, conservative dominated public schools where books by William Faulkner have been banned and pages on evolution have been torn out of textbooks, they would have had to waste inordinate amounts of precious time in their childhoods.

        •  My son had home-schooling & graduated from CMU (1+ / 0-)
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          Leslie in KY

          My son works cooperatively just fine, thank you, and did his course work to get a Computer Science degree at one of the best colleges for that in the nation. Like you, the Carnegie Mellon CS department tries to exclude students who can't work cooperatively, but obviously they don't just red-line home schooled students.

          As for accreditation, we didn't just make up his program for ourselves. We worked with our local school and we used a recognized curriculum to get him things the local school wasn't able to provide. But you would never have known, because you would not have read past the "home schooled" part, would you?

          Sometimes prejudices are true of some individuals in a group. What makes them prejudices is assuming that they are true for ALL members of the group. Which you have acknowledged is how you treat home schooled students. How many other groups do you exclude because you already know that everyone in that group is not fit.

        •  Bias (0+ / 0-)

          I am absolutely appalled at your blatant prejudice.  To lump all members of a group together, be it based on the color of their skin, religion, sexual preference, or educational background has been proven over and over again throughout history to be faulty logic.  As my mom states below, I have been told by both institutions I attended (for my BFA and MS) that they welcome homeschooling applicants because of their dedication to independent learning and high test scores.  I have been told by numerous teachers that they are very impressed by my drive to learn and discipline....my GPA for undergrad was 3.84 and 4.0 for grad school...not only that, but I am the first to hand in my assignments, and am the one most of my fellow classmates turn to for assistance.
           I understand you may have had some negative experiences - and we all have had negative experiences with people cast from a mold different than our own.  But would you feel comfortable saying the same statement about black people?  Homosexuals?  Catholics?  In order to be fair and compassionate individuals we must look past individual negative experiences and be willing to accept that not everyone is the same...not all black people, not all white, not all homeschooled.  
           Your statement about a lack of empathy is extraordinarily galling to me.  My masters degree is in Orientation and Mobility therapy - teaching independent travel skills to the blind and visually impaired.  I have worked in various capacities with special needs children since I was 12 - an experience homeschooling granted me.  My clients are often elderly people who have recently lost their vision - they are afraid to leave their houses because they cannot see, and are often depressed, frightened, and angry.  Or they are young children, struggling with learning how to perform activities of daily living because they cannot mimic what they see, and are scared to explore their world around them.  Saying that I don't have empathy for my clients because of my educational background is a slap to the face, and it stings just as badly as telling me I can't fix my toilet because I'm a woman.  I'm angry.  I'm trying to see your point of view, and I understand that you have had a negative experience.  But you need to take a step back, quit generalizing and open your eyes.  I know this won't change your mind, but please feel free to ask me questions about my experiences.

      •  As a customer of medicine... (0+ / 0-)

        ...if I have to choose between a doctor who's passed the tests you disdain or a doctor with a rockin' Youtube video, well...I'm going to go with the doctor who's passed those exams. If that's blatant discrimination to you -- hey, sorry about that.

        •  I don't disdain all tests (0+ / 0-)

          you do not understand my position on education, and I doubt a dialogue would be productive.

          I actually administer tests regularly as a licensed speech-language pathologist.  My positions are complex and not the cardboard caricature you likely have in your mental template.

        •  but not my last post... (0+ / 0-)

          My mom is quite busy at the moment, but I've got a little time on my hands tonight...wait, does this thing show that it's a Friday night?  I don't wanna seem like I have nothing to do on a Friday, heaven forbid...I'm going out later, I promise :-).  Homeschoolers do have social lives (do you see the kind of constant pressure you and your homeschool bashing friends are putting me under?  If I'm not partying like a rockstar every night I feel like I'm giving you fodder!)!

          No one is asking you to go to a doctor with a rockin youtube video (although, hey! I'm glad you watched my videos and think they're rockin!).  Funny enough though, I am actually part of the clinical trials (my part time job) med students must pass in order to graduate, so it's funny you used that example as I do have some say in who gets to be a doctor or not.

          I'm not really sure what point your trying to make here since we're not talking about graduate or undergraduate degrees, we're talking about K-12 education.  So if you have a valid point to make about that, I'll address it.  

          I'll take a stab at what I think you might say, but I apologize if this is off.  That you need a piece of paper (high school diploma) to say that you are an educated individual.  There's two tracks here:

          If you don't got to college:  Well, most professions require some sort of college degree.  If you do not go to college, you are likely not going to enter into most mainstream professions - maybe you are going to be an artist, or maybe a farmer, something that doesn't require a degree.  Your education will then be measured by your success at your endeavors, and it will be hard for me to provide you with any quantifiable data about how educated that kind of person is.  But a homeschooler can easily succeed in this situation because they have spent a lot of time pursuing their passions, so the homeschooler that really wants to be a farmer is probably going to knock off your socks with their crops (that...that almost sounds really cool...).  So this homeschooler who has "not passed the exams" is not going to be your doctor.  

          If you go to college:  Well, you'll have to take some tests to get in, ACT/SAT and possibly GED.  Then the university will have a measure of your intelligence by which to grant or deny you admittance, so case closed.  If the score is great and you end up not doing the course work, you'll flunk out, simple.  If you do the work and graduate, than you are obviously a "well educated individual".  Maybe this person will be your doctor and...then they have a degree...so I really...I...I just don't know what you're getting at.  Please elucidate, I'd love to clear things up.  Maybe I'll make another rockin' youtube video.

          And just because my mom choose not to engage someone in an online discussion does not mean she has no empathy or teamwork skills (plus she's not homeschooled...?).  I am a bit sheepish about doing this myself to be honest, because, as my boyfriend pointed out, "do you SEE the type of comments people leave on youtube videos?  Do you really want to waste your time with those people?  You're better than that!"  Your comment honestly comes off a bit ignorant and prejudiced...I hope I'm wrong, and I apologize if I am.  But most people who write in that way are generally not going to change their mind, or listen to another opinion openly, so what's the point in engaging in a debate?  My mom is a very talented and amazing SLP who has great compassion for her clients.  She has better things to do than try and change your mind, since it appears you're not willing to change it...a lesson I wish I could take more to heart, but I'm still young and idealistic :-).  

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    wdrath, Leslie in KY

    Rand made "it clear".

    1.  Business should have the right to choose who they allow into their establishment.
    1.  This is allowed as long they are a privately owned establishment.  Now if they accept government funding then #1 is null and void.
    1.  If this is a government owned establishment then they cannot choose who they serve.

    From there, the conclusion to be drawn is that IF the government owns everything, then it is a "socialist or worse" society in general and that is the antithesis of his Liberterian POV, but that is the only way that everyone has access to all business services.

    He was using a nuanced argument to avoid answering the question, which could have been a Yes or No answer, but that would actually let Voters know what he is advocating.  HMMMMMMM?  

    Isn't he using the "trust me" argument?  As this is just way to hard/complex for we citizens to understand.

    ALL KY voters need to be paying attention like the author of this diary.  This could also be a clarion call to all others who are supporting the TP candidates:  Be careful what you vote for, as the gains may be much smaller than the rights you could lose.

  •  Fantastic letter Leslie! (1+ / 0-)
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    Leslie in KY

    Rand Paul, if elected to the U.S. Senate, would take us backwards in time to pre-Civil War era where civil rights for minorities and women were virtually non-existent.  Rand Paul is sure to raise enthusiasm with the Democratic voters in KY come November!  

  •  Great Diary Leslie. (1+ / 0-)
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    Leslie in KY

    I live in Lexington and am excited about Conway. You're right, if anything is going to energize Democrats here in KY, it's Paul's mouth. Yesterday was just a sampling. The guy is a paper tiger. He might be riding high now, but the more he opens his mouth, the more voters here will understand that he's not their guy.

    Not voting gets Republicans elected. Gloating about it on DKOS isn't helpful either.

    by kefauver on Thu May 20, 2010 at 11:18:23 AM PDT

  •  wow (0+ / 0-)

    Great letter mom!  I hadn't been paying attention to the race in KY but this guy....agh.  His comments about BP and the oil spill are particularly awful.  Hope you guys manage to oust him, though he seems to be ousting himself right about now...

    •  well, it isn't a done deal (0+ / 0-)

      I was listening to Howard Fineman, an MSNBC commentator who started out in Louisville, opine that Kentucky is, well, you know--Kentucky.  And therefore might still vote for him despite his views and this negative PR.  

      I am planning to work my tail off and western Kentucky is a conservative stronghold so I've got my work cut out for me.

      Fancy Farm will be particularly raucous this year, I think.  It always is and our camper was right across from Paul last year, and next to the Galbraith folks, who are tying up with him (because they mistakenly think he will help them get drugs legalized).  I don't know if I'll take the camper for OFA this year or just work from the Dem party trailer directly but I am expecting it to be really wild.  People come from all over the country so maybe we can get progressives from outside to help us out balancing the nutjobs.

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