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Now the BP engineers gets graded.

By deep water ROV engineers, camera and 3D experts and real scientists.

Cameron gets together 23 top experts on a videoconference setup at EPA HQ in D.C.

"Over the last few weeks I've watched as we all have with growing sort of horror and heartache watching what's happening in the Gulf and thinking those morons don't know what they're doing."

They worked the problem for 10 hours.... More BTF :::

UPDATE:

"I know a lot of smart people who regularly work a whole lot deeper than that well," says Cameron, referring to BP’s 5,000-foot gusher. "I figured this group of top sub guys and deep-ocean scientists and engineers could maybe come up with something constructive." The director did not, as many news outlets reported, respond to a call from the Environmental Protection Agency, but rather organized the meeting himself, and invited government bodies including the E.P.A., the Department of Energy, the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration and the Coast Guard to participate.

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"For 22 years, I've been working with a number if not most of the top people in the very small deep submergence community...I'm really involved in deep ocean archaeology," he said. "I thought I know a lot of smart people in deep submergence...they know the engineering that's required to get something done at that depth so I thought why don't I get all those people together for a brainstorming session."

Cameron called BP and pitched some outside-the-box ideas. But after receiving a polite brush-off, he went ahead anyway and gathered together 23 people (a "who's-who" of submersible experts) for a private meeting Wednesday at the headquarters of the Environmental Protection Agency in Washington, D.C. The EPA hosted but did not participate in.

"It's a very very complex problem and it starts 18,000 feet down," Cameron said. "It's not a plumbing problem. If they make a mistake they can blow out down below. It [a multiply fragmented oil leak ] can come up in 30 places and then you'll never contain it."

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Typical participant: Phil Nuytten.

"Everybody in the world has seen the damage to the wetlands, but what no one has seen yet is the damage that’s being done underwater." Mr. Nuytten Vancouver-based Nuytco Research, was among a group of about 23 people who convened in Washington on Tuesday to brainstorm engineering and environmental strategies in connection with the spill.

Cameron clearly knows more about underwater video than the BP crew. Same for his 23 people, relative to their specialties.

BP has screwed up repeatedly:

-- the initial blow-out

-- failure to get together any physical response over the first month

-- the blown 10,000 PSI Top Kill effort

-- the botched diamond serrated cable cutting effort, and

-- seem to have screwed up the capping effort so far

-- the BP crew are still resisting outside expertise.

Asked this morning why there is oil coming out of the cap ?:

-- "We're trying to keep water out of the system."

No-No-No. Read this bit about water getting in as a bald faced lie.

The well head was measured at 14,000 PSI and the water is at 2,500 PSI. The oil flow effortlessly pushed aside the 10,000 PSI "mud" injection during the Top Kill effort.

Welcome to America's Chernobyl.

That's pretty much a replay of SNAFU at Chernobyl. The on-site crew insisted on doing things their own way. They blew the reactor, similar to what will happen if the BP crew damage the underground structures feeding the riser.

EPA was not speaking at the table for Cameron's work party. Of course they watched.

Finally, Cameron insists that the government needs its own submersibles on site. Otherwise:

"You're asking the perpetrator for the surveillance tapes...."

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This sounds like the right course of action for managing the crisis. Get top experts together. Make things work outside the political, Chernobyl-in-meltdown atmosphere of the BP team.

And make sure the people involved know what they are doing. Not just that they got promoted in the BP system.

Originally posted to vets74 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 11:38 AM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Tip Jar -- and calibrate your CORPORATE MEDIA (29+ / 0-)

    dial for various outlets by how they denigrate having the world's top submersibles experts get together to help.

    The worst of the scumbags are face-to-ass spewing that the government is desperate -- going Hollywood.

    Hell, none of the experts involved is out of Hollywood. Just the guy with the public visibility.

    And frankly, I haven't seen the BP team do one thing that impressed me as more than try-this and try-that. They totally SNAFU'd the diamond serrated cable cutter -- trying to cut straight through despite knowing that the middle of the flow was going 60 to 80 mph.

    James Cameron -- good man.

    Angry White Males + Personality Disorder delusionals + Career criminals + White Racists + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

    by vets74 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 11:36:51 AM PDT

    •  not that I don't agree with your premise (2+ / 0-)
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      catdevotee, Vico

      But James Cameron is not an expert on anything save for blockbuster film making, period.

      I trust his opinion on this about as much as I trust BP's - not at all.

      The Turner Diaries - the future that conservatives really want.

      by arbiter on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 12:20:43 PM PDT

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    •  If Cameron gets involved (0+ / 0-)

      the project will instantly baloon to 200 - 300% over budget and end up 3 years behind schedule.  He'll also insist on taking over the Navy Surface Warfare tank in MD so that he can film the initial blowout and fire properly...

      Seriously, I took two points away from that video - first, Cameron and his collaborators are probably very good at what they do in deepwater; BP and/or the government would be insane not to at least continue a discussion with him, and second, BP itself (the technical side) are ALSO probably very good at what they do, and they are doing amazing things.  (The management and the public relations need work, but the technicians and engineers are very good.)

  •  at least he is trying (6+ / 0-)

    kudos to him.

  •  umm . . . . (5+ / 0-)
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    miriam, arbiter, vets74, DruidQueen, voroki

    Cameron clearly knows more about underwater video than the BP crew.

    Are you sure this is setting the bar very high?

  •  Just knowing Cameron is among the 'big brains' (3+ / 0-)
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    arbiter, sgrAstar, voroki

    the WH called in to consult on the oil spill made me feel so much calmer. "Im not a real scientist or an engineer. But I made a hit movie where the action takes place underwater! And another in 3D!" Mr Cameron's tantrum pretty much proves the things industry people (and his ex-wife) say about him, not always behind his back, are true.

    •  Did the White House call Cameron or (1+ / 0-)
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      vets74

      did he call them?  There is a difference.

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington...I'm asking you to believe in yours. - Barack Obama

      by Blogvirgin on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 01:02:10 PM PDT

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      •  Facts: Cameron called EPA. (1+ / 0-)
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        Blogvirgin

        The meeting was a video conference with Cameron and several others at EPA HQ.

        The whining and mewling about this conference ???

        Amazing.

        Angry White Males + Personality Disorder delusionals + Career criminals + White Racists + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

        by vets74 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 04:05:42 PM PDT

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      •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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        Blogvirgin

        "I know a lot of smart people who regularly work a whole lot deeper than that well," says Cameron, referring to BP’s 5,000-foot gusher. "I figured this group of top sub guys and deep-ocean scientists and engineers could maybe come up with something constructive." The director did not, as many news outlets reported, respond to a call from the Environmental Protection Agency, but rather organized the meeting himself, and invited government bodies including the E.P.A., the Department of Energy, the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration and the Coast Guard to participate.

        Angry White Males + Personality Disorder delusionals + Career criminals + White Racists + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

        by vets74 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 07:15:44 PM PDT

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    •  But he did do major underwater filming (1+ / 0-)
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      vets74

      Google tells me his actual Titanic documatary is called "Ghosts of the Abyss"

  •  If only James Dean was alive. Having played a (0+ / 0-)

    self made oil tycoon in "Giant", he surely would have saved us.

    When one reads Bibles, one is less surprised at what the Deity knows than at what He doesn't know. -- Mark Twain

    by voroki on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 12:58:30 PM PDT

  •  frankly, I would trust Cameron the people he (4+ / 0-)
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    vets74, Lujane, Blogvirgin, DruidQueen

    can assemble, expert in oil or not, that any of the asshats from BP.  Cameron's goal is to make a successful conclusion, the complete opposite of BP's "f--- safety! Close it!" corporate mentality!

    Never walk into a public restroom while breathing through your mouth.

    by quityurkidding on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 12:59:29 PM PDT

  •  The movie will be better than the reality (0+ / 0-)

    James who?

    Some people make you want to change species

    by ulookarmless on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 01:10:18 PM PDT

  •  As much as BP has fucked this up enough already.. (2+ / 0-)
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    vets74, IndieGuy

    I'd trust Cameron's team even if it included Kate Winslet and Leonardo DiCaprio, way more then I trust any of those fucks from BP.

    At least Leo wouldn't cry "I want my life back" to the cameras.

  •  At this point, (1+ / 0-)
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    vets74

    I would not be against the government seizing and liquidating all of BP's assets (or at least all their assets in this country) to pay for this debacle.  And honestly I cannot understand why BP has been apparently dragging its feet on this.  Theoretically, they should have plenty of smart people who still work for them, and theoretically these smart people should be able to bend their minds to solving a problem like this.  And not theoretically at all, BP should be bending itself night and day to solve this problem.  It's only the worst crisis in the company's history, after all, from a PR standpoint or not.

    Seriously, BP, if a Hollywood director and a bunch of academics can come up with better solutions than you can, and point to some obvious failures on your own part, then what kind of company are you?

    •  The guys who build ROVs and cameras. (0+ / 0-)

      That's the crowd, along with oil experts.

      Angry White Males + Personality Disorder delusionals + Career criminals + White Racists + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

      by vets74 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 04:08:37 PM PDT

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