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As thousands of outraged demonstrators poured into the streets of Ankara and several capitals across the globe in the aftermath of Israel's bloody attack on an aid flotilla bound for the Gaza Strip early Monday, an Israeli sergeant stood in front of reporters claiming that the activists on board "were armed with knives, scissors, pepper spray and guns." He said he was armed only with a paintball rifle.

"It was a civilian paintball gun that any 12-year-old can play with," he said; yet, at least nine activists were killed, including a 19-year-old American who was shot in the head four times, and scores were injured.

Soon after, a video was released on the official website of the Israel Defense Forces and was made available to the media. It showed Israeli paratroopers jumping onto the international Gaza aid flotilla; a clip showing IDF commandos being beaten as they boarded the ship and one thrown overboard was looped endlessly. The military video did not show how and when the activists were shot, although the Israeli helicopters' infrared cameras would have easily recorded the flashes caused by gun discharge. Instead, the IDF has selectively released only a portion of the tape that showed its commandos under attack but has omitted the killings. Both Al Jazeera and reporters from Turkish TV news channels were reporting that the Marmara was under gunfire.

The "lynch" scenario came next. The victims were not the nine dead activists, nor the dozens of internationals who were beaten, humiliated, and dragged against their will to the Israeli port of Ashdod, instead they were the IDF's finest. What a departure from the days of Entebbe, when Hollywood made legends out of Israeli commandos.

Israel's Foreign Ministry then started showing pictures of sticks, knives, slingshots, and bottles which they said were the activists' weapons. The message is that several hundred activists gathered from all over the world to confront one of the best equipped and trained militaries in the world with these. But we are then told that the activists weren't really activists at all, but rather terrorists with ties to Hamas and al-Qaeda.

Yediot Ahronoth, one of Israel's most widely circulated papers broke with the headlines, "A Brutal Ambush at Sea." Arutz Sheva, the official news site of the settler movement attacked Associated Press for its "biased" reporting with an article entitled "Media War on the Flotilla Clash: AP Anti-Israel Bias Exposed." And the IDF website had this blaring story: "Attackers of the IDF soldiers are found to be Al Qaeda mercenaries," later to be reported in the Jerusalem Post as, "IDF: Mercenaries to blame for violence."

Israel's hasbara at its best. But is it working?

"Hasbara is only succeeding in Israel," says veteran journalist David Michaelis.

Michaelis believes that there is a disconnect between the way Israel sees itself and its actions, and the way they are viewed by the rest of the world.

"That was not a love boat. That was a boat of hatred," said Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. A nice sound bite for FOX News, and headlines for the New York Post but this time hasbara is not working...not after the War on Lebanon, Operation Cast Lead in Gaza, and a Mossad assassination caught on tape in Dubai.

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Originally posted to mosaicnews on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 05:15 PM PDT.

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  •  Boy, I wouldn't want to be in Helen Thomas' shoes (9+ / 6-)

    when Kossacks discover that she is advocating the ethnic cleansing of Israel.

    If there is one thing that progressives will never tolerate, it is ethnic cleansing!

    The only question is how many recommended diaries will vehemently condemn Thomas for demanding that Jews leave Israel en masse.

    Eight?

    Ten?

    Hell, heathlander will probably write ten all by himself.

    Because he hates bigotry.

    Just like everyone else here.

    •  Hell, (0+ / 0-)

      she's certainly old enough to know that there are not many surving Jews from Poland.

      Why don't you try reading the rules, Shankopotamus?

      by bugscuffle on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 05:34:09 PM PDT

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    •  Yep (5+ / 0-)

      Lots of very well disguised antisemitism going on in the last few days.  I'm surprised.  

      Also, a lot of Hamas sympathizers.  Like their good guys or something.

      If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

      by peacemaker33 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 05:35:42 PM PDT

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    •  Funny (13+ / 0-)

      my version of DKos must have deleted the whole section in this diary that was about Helen Thomas or do you just think something up then plop it down in the first I/P diary you open?

      The Teabaggers are the GOP base

      by stevej on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 05:38:48 PM PDT

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      •  well that would be the problem... (6+ / 0-)

        there is NO discussion the outrageous Thomas' comment. A comment that would be getting a million recs in other circumstances. This place is so decidedly anti Israel, and damned near anti Semitic. And quite a few anti semites.

        •  You could diary that. (6+ / 0-)
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          Pesto, ExStr8, wsexson, tbetz, Alec82, peacemaker33

          If it is not too much trouble.

          Why would an Australian funded by a Saudi care about the growth of our nation?

          by Big Nit Attack on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 05:58:24 PM PDT

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          •  if he diaried it, (0+ / 0-)

            it would get about 3 tips, 20 hide-rates and be shouted down by the mob.

            it's not even worth trying to diary something like that on here.  That's why most of the I/P moderates tend to keep quiet...and make a comment every now and then to let other moderates know they're not alone.

            •  I had something like that happen to me (0+ / 0-)

              I wrote a diary against rushing to condemn Israel a few days ago after the initial confrontation with the Gaza flotilla.  Out of nearly 500 comments very few were supporting Israel, I got something like 15 tips, and there were some pretty virulent ad hominem attacks.

              •  exactly. (0+ / 0-)

                just be aware that there are many neutral/moderates around here who are reading....even if they're not posting!

                •  That's very nice to know (0+ / 0-)

                  I knew what would happen.  It's just that I felt it was time for me to take a stand and say that it's because I'm liberal that I support Israel.

                  •  Non Sequitor (1+ / 0-)
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                    "...it's because I'm liberal that I support Israel."

                    Any chance you could expand on this concept?  The one has nothing to do with the other.  Just how does being "liberal" mean you have to accept as given the pronouncements coming out of the Israeli government?  For once, I would like the truth to be explored on what did happen in this instance, with a minimum of spin from both sides.  Whenever one sees information being suppressed, as we are here by the Israelis, one must be suspicious of the motives involved.

                    "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

                    by PrahaPartizan on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 08:48:46 PM PDT

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              •  It was a crappy diary (0+ / 0-)

                that did nothing but talk about how no one blames Egypt and Hamas and we all need to respect that Israel is just protecting itself.  You started out saying we shouldn't rush to judge Israel then made the previous points as if they were pertinent.

                I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

                by AoT on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 08:26:03 PM PDT

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        •  I'm waving you off!!!! Don't do it!!! (3+ / 0-)
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          Any DK diary that even discusses the possibility of Helen being antisemetic will get HR'd to high hell.

          The objective Dkers may lead an honest discussion.  But this week has been so sensationlistic and hyperbolic.  I've lost a little faith in objectivism here.  

          It's amazing.  No one considers both sides of the story anymore.

          If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

          by peacemaker33 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:09:41 PM PDT

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    •  I used to think peace in the ME (2+ / 0-)
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      was possible. Then I saw just how vile the two sides of this issue could be right here on dKos where the vast majority of both sides have no real skin in the game.

      The hatefull rhetoric on a site full of progressives astounds me. And if this kind of hate is displayed by people sitting comfortably at their computers imagine the hate of the people who have to deal with either the occupation or the fact that people are willing to fire indiscriminate rockets into neighborhoods with children living in them.

      Still a man hears what he wants to hear And disregards the rest

      by Mike S on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:11:11 PM PDT

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    •  Her words were "They should get the hell... (2+ / 0-)
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      ... out of Palestine."

      Unfortunately, it's about 60 years too late for her prescription to be practicable.

      •  NOOOOOOOOOO!!! (2+ / 0-)
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        I cannot except this.  I cannot accept that some progressives are antisemetic.  

        So, I will deny that this video existed.

        If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

        by peacemaker33 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:14:24 PM PDT

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        •  What do you think should be done (0+ / 0-)

          to create peace in the middle east?

          Still a man hears what he wants to hear And disregards the rest

          by Mike S on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:16:11 PM PDT

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          •  If I had a great idea, I would share it. (0+ / 0-)

            But to your point, we're choosing sides on a very complex situation.  Normally simplifying an issue creates more clarity.  Not in this case.  

            I guess it starts on whether or not you believe that Israel has an absolute right to exist (which I do).  I also believe that they have an absolute right to protect themselves.  After this point, people start to disagree.

            If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

            by peacemaker33 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:22:18 PM PDT

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            •  I think most would actually agree (0+ / 0-)

              with you. But where it gets hard is when you try to figure out how they should protect themselves. Their current tactics are not just wrong, they are extremely counter-productive.

              Still a man hears what he wants to hear And disregards the rest

              by Mike S on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:32:14 PM PDT

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              •  I agree that their tactics are foreign (0+ / 0-)

                at least in this day and age.

                But since Israel declared statehood (and were immediately attacked) Israel has always maintained that they will always hit you harder than you hit them.  So, according to their policy, don't hit them and you'll be ok.  

                Do I agree with this tactic?  As an American no.  

                But then again, I don't live in Israel.

                You should read some books on the creation of Israel and the subsequent wars that followed.  While it won't quite put things in today's modern warfare policy in perspective, it will provide perspective on their long standing policies.

                If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

                by peacemaker33 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:43:14 PM PDT

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              •  What would you suggest though? (0+ / 0-)

                Israel elected governments explicitly to make peace with the Palestinians in 1999 and 2006.  Both times those governments offered great deals to the Palestinians (over 95% of the West Bank; 2000 - Parts of Jerusalem; 2008 - Internationalization of the parts of Jerusalem containing the holy areas for the three major religions).  Both times Palestinians rejected those offers, including preparing to launch the second intifada while Arafat was allegedly negotiating with Barak at Camp David in 2000.

                If peace proposals don't work and the military solution stops terrorism and helps keep Israel's economy in good shape can you blame Israel for throwing its weight around and using its military?  That's what any logical nation would do, and it's what any nation's citizenry would expect of its government.  If we were going through with Mexico or Canada what Israel goes through with the Palestinians there would be calls to send our military across the Rio Grande or the 49th Parallel and no one would condemn us for it.

                •  Not The Full Story Though (1+ / 0-)
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                  You forgot to mention that in both 1999 and 2006, the "solutions" offered by the Israelis would have created nothing more than a Middle Eastern "Bantustan" territory.  The Israeli offer did not confer real sovereignty to the Palestinian state to be created.  Worse, the Israelis insisted on maintaining a cordon around the proposed "state" of Palestine, which would have been broken up into little cantons anyway.  Yeah, it was a great offer.  It sure looks better on paper when written up as a propaganda piece for sure.

                  What do the Israelis do when the Palestinians throw in the towel, accept Israeli theft of their land, and demand full citizenship rights inside the nation of Israel?   I've yet to see anyone address just what the Israeli government does under such a condition.  Do you accept the Palestinians' decision or do you just decide to continue with trying to force the Palestinians to go someplace else?

                  "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

                  by PrahaPartizan on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 08:40:49 PM PDT

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              •  Totally Wrong Tactics and Strategy (0+ / 0-)

                Unfortunately, the Palestinians constantly project a greater hatred for Jews than for the instruments of Israeli power which oppress them.  Would it be legitimate for the Palestinians to target only Israeli military assets in their struggle with the Israeli occupation?  I've never seen an Israeli acceptance of this potential argument.  Instead, the Israelis harp only on the targeted attacks on civilians, which does harbor within it an implicit right by Palestinians to target Israeli military assets.  Of course, so long as the Palestinians can't separate the two classes in their own minds, we'll continue to see this tarantella being danced for the indefinite future.

                "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

                by PrahaPartizan on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 09:02:46 PM PDT

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                •  The distinction betweem military and civilian (1+ / 0-)
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                  tbetz

                  targets would have to be honored by both sides on the same terms. You can't treat all the things done to Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the WB by Israel as military and the attacks, now not so many save for rockets from Gaza and Lebanon, as attacks on Civilians. It would also be necessary to figure in on the Israeli side the acts of the various 'settlers' who rely on Israeli military backup to allow them to do what they do, though not nominally a part of military, in case they meet resistance.  

                  And one of the problems not dealt with in suggesting that the 'Palestinian side' was a fool to reject this or that offer is the problem that there has not before been 'a' Palestinian side. Always various mutually exclusive groups, infighting. We are as close to a 'Palestinian side' as we have ever been and we still have PA and Hamas nose to nose and fighting it out, now lessened as each has a base from which the other is essentially excluded, and a lot of folk in refugee camps outside both the West Bank and Gaza, or further away, who have a dog in the fight.

                  •  No Dispute Here (0+ / 0-)

                    I'm not arguing that the definitions would be easy, quite the opposite.  Frankly, if the Palestinians were any good at all with PR they would have built a case long ago that any of their supposed "terrorist" attacks against civilians were in fact targeted on the myriad military targets presented in Israel.  If ever there existed a legitimate target-rich environment, Israel is it.  However, you can't make that claim in the same breath that you use to express delight in killing Jews.

                    Regarding the Palestinian difficulties in reaching an agreement with the Israelis, I would point out that the Israelis suffer from almost identical debilitating infighting as the Palestinians.  It's one of the reasons the Israelis "offer" garbage proposals which they know no sensible Palestinian leadership can accept, like the 2000 and 2008 offers.  They're trash, restricted by the dissenting voices of the hard-right crowd in Israel.  They're intended primarily for propaganda purposes, as we've seen repeatedly.  Unfortunately, the Palestinians don't seem to know how to play this PR game by coming back with equally trashy proposals intended to merely put the ball back into the Israelis court.  You never walk away from the negotiations without making the other side play the heavy.

                    "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

                    by PrahaPartizan on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 12:11:09 AM PDT

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        •  I think she's anti-Israel, not anti-semitic. (4+ / 0-)
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          And considering what Israel has made of Palestine, she has a point.

          Israel is a mistake for which the descendants of colonial Europe are paying, and will continue to pay, until Israel's own hubris wipes it off the map.

          •  So.....she is essentially denying (0+ / 0-)

            Israel's right to statehood.  

            Sounds pretty antisemetic to me.

            Israel is part of the problem.  But not THE problem.  We tend to give Islamic Extremism way too much of a pass (despite all of the evidence of their aggression).

            If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

            by peacemaker33 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:25:26 PM PDT

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            •  Islamic extremism is mostly a reaction... (1+ / 0-)
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              WattleBreakfast

              ...to European colonialism.

              Had Europeans left the Middle East alone to develop for itself, it would be a much more peaceful place.

            •  Right to Statehood (4+ / 0-)
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              AoT, tbetz, MrJayTee, WattleBreakfast

              Implicit in nearly every Zionist's understanding of Israel's "right to statehood" is:

              1.  A continuing right to the exclusive right to own and to occupy lands, parts of which (the 1948 borders) were given to the Jews by the United Nations, which had no right to confer them; or
              1.  If not a right to exclude entirely all non-Jews, a right to continue to discriminate in serious and fundamental ways between Jew and non-Jew, to the latter's disadvantage;
              1.  If necessary in order to ensure a continuing Jewish majority (and non-Jewish political impotence) a "right" to have and enforce policies that will either chase a sufficient number of non-Jews out of the country, if not by expulsion then by discrimination and attrition (as carried out in the Occupied Territories for years now) or, in the alternative, to confer greater rights on Jews, so that they will continue to have firm and absolute control of the State;
              1.  Continuing recognition of a "right of return" to all Jews anywhere in the world to come and to live in Israel as preferred citizens, with Arabs forced out of lands to which their claim (based on centuries of more recent occupancy) is easily equal to, or greater than that of the Jews,to have no such right of return (note, too, that if a great many Diaspora Jews were to elect to move to Israel, expansion would be more or less necessary to accommodate them, wherefore the Jews' "right of return," coupled with the factor mentioned in the next paragraph, is an objective ground to distrust Jewish intentions) and
              1.  On the part of many -- and this goes back to Ben-Gurion, for whom it was fundamental -- a firm disinclination to commit to fixed borders, the ultimate aspiration being a "Greater Israel" that might include all or parts of what is today Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and even a slice of Turkey; and
              1.  On the part of many, a sacred and unalienable "right" to be supported in all this by Western governments and, especially, by Israel's "prison bitch," the United States taxpayer.

              Questioning the right of Jews in Israel to have a Jewish (supremacist) state is no more anti-Jewish than disputing my "right," as a white Christian and a United States citizen, to have a white Christian America -- oh, of course, one in which non-Christians will not be killed, and will even be entitled to a few seats in the Legislature (so long as they don't outbreed us, in which case we will "encourage" them to leave -- as perhaps a majority of Israel Jews, today, including what passes for the "Left" there, would prefer that the Arabs depart, although many are hesitant to push them out at gunpoint).

              Whether it be in one State or in two, many if not most Jews in Israel will need a substantial Attitude Adjustment if they wish to continue to live in the neighborhood.  (As will not a few of the Arabs, but I am not expected by anyone to give a blank check to THEIR bigotry).

              •  Right. Fucking. On. (1+ / 0-)
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              •  jesus christ...I hop;e you don't believe that the (0+ / 0-)

                American Jewish community is that ridiculously monolithic about the notion of Israel!!

                The wacko rightists in Brooklyn, (and lots of people at my old synagogogue), yeah....

                but you're essentially equating 'zionism' with the practices of the settlers....

                lots of Jews consider themselves Zionists but don't espouse the ideology you're claiming.

                to the extent that 'zionism' = 'israel's right to exist', we often invoke the Holocaust to account, primarly, for your Point #1...but the policies of expansion, occupation, settlement....those are other issues that you're falsely attributing to everybody.

                •  The problem is that (2+ / 0-)
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                  these are the folks in charge in Israel right now.

                  There is most certainly a diversity of opinion in terms of Zionism in the U.S., and in Israel, including Jews who are against it, or even against it with Israel be situated where it is now.

                  I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

                  by AoT on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 08:31:55 PM PDT

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                •  I still remember the long departed time when (1+ / 0-)
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                  tbetz

                  Zionism in practice was for Americans mostly one of two things, first an opportunity for those at retirement age to go  peacefully to a place of their dreams for the last few years of their lives, and second, a place where the young could go for a visit early in their lives to see as possible something that they in those days didn't see at home in America, and then come back, strengthened by that knowledge. Those times are so very long gone.

            •  No, she's suggesting (4+ / 0-)
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              that Israel get out of Philistia. present day Gaza, by ending siege

              "My case is alter'd, I must work for my living." Moll Cut-Purse, The Roaring Girl - 1612, England's First Actress

              by theRoaringGirl on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 07:32:12 PM PDT

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              •  'go back to Poland and Germany' (1+ / 0-)
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                is a bit more out of line than

                'end the siege of Gaza'

                odd countries to pick.  There aren't many Jews in Poland and Germany any more.

                wonder what happened to them?

                •  Agreed (0+ / 0-)

                  A horrible, horrible thing to say.  If she only thought they should leave Gaza and the West Bank there's no way she could have tacked that on.

                  Antisemitism is an ugly, ugly thing.

                  I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

                  by AoT on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 08:33:05 PM PDT

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                •  do not get me started (2+ / 0-)
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                  on Ashkenaz  Jewry and their perceived elevation to the "one true Jewry". As a jew of Sephardic ancestry, in Israel, I am a second-class Jew (and here, since I don't speak their dialect of "Jewish", I am held in suspicion:
                  "Your name isn't Jewish").

                  Despite being considered "white" by the US Census, in Israel, Jews of Mizrahi and Sephardic descent are "inferior" "folksy" "superstitious" and discriminated against. Is it the same form as for the Palestinian? No. but we are discriminated against just the same. We sometimes have the same skin color as the Palestinian, especially if of Iranian, Syrian, or Iraqi origin.        

                  As for Ms. Thomas' comments, call me a self-hating Jew, I do not see it as "anti-semitisraelic" I see it as a complex frustration with events past and present - squandered opportunities on all sides,  but damn, some of those self-righteous Israeli Ashkenaz of Eastern European dissent ( a redundancy, I know) need to get that fucking 'victim' chip off their shoulder and stop. Yes, "victim chip". It plays right into Hamas' designs.

                  "My case is alter'd, I must work for my living." Moll Cut-Purse, The Roaring Girl - 1612, England's First Actress

                  by theRoaringGirl on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 08:46:17 PM PDT

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                  •  having spent a half-year in Israel (0+ / 0-)

                    in the '90's, I know exactly what you mean...and I found myself pretty aggravated at some of the more self-righteous newcomers...many recently out of the former Soviet states, etc.

                    and I agree largely about the victim card being played far too much.

                    That said, you can't go around saying stuff like "they should go back to Poland".  if ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD screams 1943 more than anywhere else, it's Poland.  with germany a close second.

                    That was a really, really bad comment to make, victim complex or no.

          •  Nah. Go back to Poland & Germany? (1+ / 0-)
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            That is wrong in so many ways. When something like this bubbles up, you have to wonder what mix of anti-Semitic thoughts have been mixing around in her head since before WWII (which she lived through, and so she knows damn well what happened in Poland and Germany). Her choice of words was pretty much a way to shout to the world that she's an anti-Semite and she doesn't care who knows it!

          •  The remark was clearly antisemitic to me. (3+ / 0-)
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            The part about going back to Poland and Germany sealed it.

            Still, the comments here are now as much about the nasty and thoroughly unacceptable remark of one independent reporter as they are about Israel's effort to win the propaganda war after murdering 9 innocent people who were trying to help 1.5 million more who are locked in the world's largest prison camp.

            In that context--repression, starvation, mass murder--Helen Thomas's remark, as bigoted and nasty as it was, is another drop in an ocean of bigoted remarks from both sides (Avigdor Lieberman, anyone?).  The idea that Helen Thomas belongs in the same rhetorical space as Israel's killing spree is really about trying to deflect attention from the frank evil of Israel's crimes on the high seas, as if one prominent bigot's remarks share the same scale as the planned and wonton killing of pro-Palestinian activists.  

            That's bigoted in and of itself.

        •  Right on, Helen Thomas (0+ / 0-)

          and that isn't anti-semitic.

      •  Now that you have posted a subject and then a (1+ / 0-)
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        video that is grossly OT to this diary, for the distraction it will cause, are you happy now?

    •  Johnny Q HR'd this (0+ / 0-)

      Johnny Q must agree with Helen Thomas.

      If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

      by peacemaker33 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:12:24 PM PDT

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    •  Did Helen Thomas.. (10+ / 0-)

      ....shoot a 19 year old American, among others,  and provoke an international incident in international waters?

      I don't think she did.  So I don't know why you would expect a series of diaries devoted to whatever it is she said.  

      And Heathlander really has made quite a reputation for himself, I see.  How you hate him so for being so damn...well documented and reasonable.  

      Policy, Peace and Progress Before Party

      by Alec82 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:25:27 PM PDT

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      •  no, she did not (1+ / 0-)
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        she instead instigates and encourages those who lob rockets into Israeli towns, kidnap israeli citizens, blow themselves up in pizza places and malls in absolutely unrealistic hopes that it will make the jews go back to Germany and Poland.

        People like her, people like Dailykos pseudo-progressives denying Israel's right to exist are adding oil to the fire and extend the suffering of the Palestinians (and to the less extent Israelis) giving them a false and unrealistic hope.

        Barack Obama: "Israel is a stalwart ally of the United States. As the only true democracy of the Middle East it is a source of admiration and inspiration..."

        by Borat Sagdiyev on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:50:28 PM PDT

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    •  What do (8+ / 0-)

      Helen Thomas' piece of shit comments have to do with this diary?

      Give it a break.

    •  Really? (2+ / 0-)
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      Then how come this situation only exists because of decades of US vetoes?

      There is really little point in an investigation, the US will have it twisted and then veto any action anyway..

      Before you HR me, consider US history with the UN.

      Best Wishes, Demena Left/Right: -8.38; Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36

      by Demena on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:57:06 PM PDT

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    •  This is not about (10+ / 0-)

      Helen Thomas. It is a diary by a Palestinian trying to explain a particular Palestinian perspective.

      Shove off.

      Previously I posted under the user name palestinian professor, which is now deprecated. I now post under my late grandfather's name simone daud.

      by simone daud on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:59:25 PM PDT

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  •  You forgot to mention (4+ / 8-)

    that the IDF eats Palestinian babies and spits out the bones.

    •  Of course they don't eat Palestinian babies! (13+ / 0-)

      Kill them indiscriminately, yes, as in Cast Lead, where hundreds of children were murdered...but eat them?

      Never!

      •  actually, (2+ / 0-)
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        we Jews use their blood at the Passover. or haven't you heard that the Blood Libel is alive and well and living in the Middle East:
        http://www.memri.org/...

        On March 31, 2010, the Hamas-owned Al-Aqsa TV channel aired an address by Dr. Sallah Sultan, president of the American Center for Islamic Research; in the address. Dr. Sultan stated that every year on Passover, Jews kidnap Christians and others in order to slaughter them and use their blood for making matzos.
        … Dr. Sallah Sultan: "I want our brothers, and the whole world, to know what's going on these days, during Passover. Read Dr. Naguib Al-Kilani's book, Blood for the Matzos of Zion.
        "Every year, at this time, the Zionists kidnap several non-Muslims [sic] – Christians and others... By the way, this happened in a Jewish neighborhood in Damascus. They killed the French doctor, Toma, who used to treat the Jews and others for free, in order to spread Christianity. Even though he was their friend and they benefited from him the most, they took him on one of these holidays and slaughtered him, along with the nurse. Then they kneaded the matzos with the blood of Dr. Toma and his nurse. They do this every year.
        "The world must know these facts about the Zionist entity and its terrible corrupt creed. The world should know this."

        "My case is alter'd, I must work for my living." Moll Cut-Purse, The Roaring Girl - 1612, England's First Actress

        by theRoaringGirl on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 07:30:17 PM PDT

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        •  Worth mentioning that Jews say this is false (0+ / 0-)

          In case some posters would just assume that since it is from the Hamas tv station it must be true.

          •  Of course it's false (2+ / 0-)
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            the Blood Libel had its beginnings in 13thc. England and Sir Hugh of Lincoln:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/...

            Hugh of Lincoln (1246 - August 27, 1255) was an English boy, whose murder prompted a blood libel with ramifications that reach until today. Hugh is known as Little Saint Hugh to distinguish him from Saint Hugh, otherwise Hugh of Lincoln. The style is often corrupted to Little Sir Hugh. The boy disappeared on July 31, and his body was discovered in a well on August 29.
            Shortly after his disappearance, a local Jew named Copin (or Jopin), after being threatened with torture, admitted to killing the child. In his confession Copin stated that it was the custom of the Jews to crucify a Christian child every year.[citation needed] Copin was executed, and the story would have ended there were it not for a series of events that coincided with the disappearance.
            Some six months earlier, King Henry III had sold his rights to tax the Jews to his brother, Richard, Earl of Cornwall. Having lost this source of income, he decided that he was eligible for the Jews' money if they were convicted of crimes. As a result, some ninety Jews were arrested and held in the Tower of London, while they were charged with involvement in the ritual murder. Eighteen of them were hanged for refusing to participate in the proceedings and refusing to throw themselves on the verdict of a Christian jury[1]. It was the first time ever that the civil government handed out a death sentence for ritual murder, and King Henry was able to take over their property. The remainder were pardoned and set free, most likely because Richard, who saw a potential threat to his own source of income, intervened on their behalf with his brother.

            interestingly, the author of the above wikipedia entry fails to mentions that friars tried to gain the release of these Jews and erroneously states that the jury was entirely Christian::

            1255 – “The Libel of Lincoln” – Jews of the town are accused of the ritual murder of a Christian boy (Hugh of Lincoln).  The body of the child was found in a cesspool the day after many Jews had assembled for the wedding of the daughter of a prominent member of the community (the child had been missing for three weeks.  Upon a forced confession of a Jew, Copin (who was hanged), ninety-one Lincoln Jews were sent to the Tower in London, of whom, eighteen were executed for claiming a trial before a mixed jury, to which they were entitled.  Eventually, Henry III agreed to release the remaining Jews following a request from his brother, Richard of Cornwall.  An earlier appeal by the friars (which clearly showed that the charges were false) failed to secure the Jews’ release.  The “Legend of Little St, Hugh” entered into English folk lore.

            "My case is alter'd, I must work for my living." Moll Cut-Purse, The Roaring Girl - 1612, England's First Actress

            by theRoaringGirl on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 08:25:32 PM PDT

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        •  Thank goodness! (3+ / 0-)
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          So you're saying the falseness of the Blood Libel mean the kids Israel murdered in Cast Lead are still alive?

          Or what?

    •  That's Over the Top. HR. eom (4+ / 0-)
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      "In the rest of the world, 'soft left' is known as the non-fascist right." -- corvo

      by greenskeeper on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 05:57:06 PM PDT

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  •  Hasbara or just stupid? (1+ / 0-)
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