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Today's New York Times has an excellent front page article titled Pakistan Is Said to Pursue a Foothold in Afghanistan. Pakistan sees itself at war with India. Specifically groups like the Haqqani network are also helping in the conflict with India.

The Haqqani network has long been Pakistan’s crucial anti-India asset and has remained virtually untouched by Pakistani forces in their redoubt inside Pakistan, in the tribal areas on the Afghan border, even as the Americans have pressed Pakistan for an offensive against it.

The Haqqani network support the Taliban and al Quaeda and are crossing the border regularly to kill Americans and fight for the Taliban.

Hamid Karzai is being pushed by the Pakistani military and spy agency to make peace with the Haqqani network. From Pakistan's view point such a peace would end the conflict along their border with Afghanistan and allow them to concentrate on India and allow them to use Haggani network resources against India. Talk about nuclear war, this is a recipe for nuclear war between Pakistan and India.

So what happens to al Qaeda?

The Taliban, including the Haqqani group, are ready to "do a deal" over Al Qaeda, a senior Pakistani official close to the Pakistani Army said. The Haqqanis could tell Al Qaeda to move elsewhere because it had been given nine years of protection since 9/11, the official said.

But this official acknowledged that the Haqqanis and Al Qaeda were too "thick" with each other for a separation to happen. They had provided each other with fighters, money and other resources over a long period of time, he said.

A peace deal in Afghanistan and al Qaeda get a safe haven and an increased potential for nuclear war between India and Pakistan.

What is the solution? The solution is simple, education. If you don't believe me then read Three Cups of Tea. This book is about how Dr.Greg Mortenson is educating residents (in particular children and girls) of the border area between Pakistan and Afghanistan. His efforts are bringing change and in particular reducing the likelihood of those who live in villages that he brings schools to ever becoming terrorists. By broadening such efforts to the entire world terrorism can be reduced to near zero, not to mention the great increase in productivity that will follow the education.

So let a peace be brokered. At the same time invest heavily in educating Afghans and Pakistanis, particularly along border areas. Double the amount of money spent in Pakistan to pay for this education. Then get the troops the hell out of there next year.

Originally posted to Lawrence A. Welsch on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 04:04 AM PDT.

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  •  Education is the answer!!! (5+ / 0-)

    Practice tolerance, kindness and charity.

    by LWelsch on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 04:00:44 AM PDT

  •  The Problem Lies With The United States... (2+ / 0-)
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    cause we invaded Iraq before pacifying Afghanistan. Blaming Pakistan is the Republican way of doing things.

    •  The past is past (0+ / 0-)

      Pacifying Afghanistan might have made the situation between India and Pakistan worse.

      Practice tolerance, kindness and charity.

      by LWelsch on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 04:18:51 AM PDT

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    •  Republican way? (1+ / 0-)
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      Republicans do not believe in education. They believe in war which they call national defense.

      Practice tolerance, kindness and charity.

      by LWelsch on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 04:25:24 AM PDT

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    •  Pak = Taliban Godfather (1+ / 0-)
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      Pakistan: "The Taliban's Godfather"?

      Documents Detail Years of Pakistani Support for Taliban, Extremists

      Covert Policy Linked Taliban, Kashmiri Militants, Pakistan's Pashtun Troops

      Aid Encouraged Pro-Taliban Sympathies in Troubled Border Region

      National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 227
      Edited by Barbara Elias

      Posted - August 14, 2007


      Did you know that Indians invented the # 0 and the decimal/binary systems: a primer on Indian mathematics.

      by iceweasel on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 05:14:03 AM PDT

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      •  Pakistani regime, the terror incubator, (2+ / 0-)
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        is indeed Problem #1.

        In order to solve the Afghan problem comprehensively, the Pakistani regime needs to be straightened out and put in its place.

        They need to be forced to shutdown all of their ISI-run terrorist camps and the Madrassas that breed thousands of new candidate-terrorists every year (Taliban are "students" indoctrinated with Islamic fundamentalism and Islamic Jihad at the Madrassas),


        Public Enemy No. 1
        By Arnaud de Borchgrave

        Tuesday, May 4, 2010

        Pakistan is still producing an estimated 10,000 potential jihadis a year out of 500,000 graduates from Pakistan's 11,000 madrassas - young gung-ho boys, mostly 16-year-olds, who finish 10 years of Koranic cramming and can then recite the holy book by heart in Arabic. That means 114 suras (chapters), 6,247 ayats (verses) or 78,000 words.

        be forced to remove the anti-India/anti-Hindu/anti-non-Muslim hate they teach their younger generations with their textbooks:


        Pak textbooks build hate culture against India
        ARIF MOHAMMED KHAN, Dec 27, 2008

        The empowerment of terror in Pakistan has not happened overnight. This is the logical culmination of the politics and policies pursued by Pakistan for years now.

        Terrorism in Pakistan has its roots in the culture of hate and the ethos of inequality on the ground of religious faith, leading to their being deeply ingrained in the Pakistani psyche and mindset.

        One factor that has played a crucial role in creating this culture of hate is the educational policy of the government of Pakistan pursued since 1977. The officially prescribed textbooks, especially for school students, are full of references that promote hate against India in general, and Hindus in particular.

        A cursory glance at Pakistani school textbooks - especially the compulsory subjects like Pakistan studies and social studies - gives an idea of how history has been distorted and a garbled version prescribed to build this mindset and attitude.
        ..
        Commenting on this literature that spreads hate, leading Pakistani educationist Tariq Rahman wrote, "It is a fact that the textbooks cannot mention Hindus without calling them cunning, scheming, deceptive or something equally insulting. Students are taught and made to believe that Pakistan needs strong and aggressive policies against India or else Pakistan will be annihilated by it."

        (The author ARIF MOHAMMED KHAN is a former Union minister of India)


        and asked to hang up their anti-India obsession for good.

        In addition, the Pakistani regime should be forced not to throttle their free press and civil society. All of these, progress on which should be made a strict condition imposed on any aid given to Pakistan by the US and other countries, are important ingredients needed to straighten out the Pakistan regime and make it behave responsibly.

        Did you know that Indians invented the # 0 and the decimal/binary systems: a primer on Indian mathematics.

        by iceweasel on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 05:43:46 AM PDT

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  •  The problem lies in Washington. (3+ / 0-)

    If we could dump the Pentagon and oil, we wouldn't be over there at all.  Unfortunately everybody controls our government but us.  

    Thanks for the diary.  

    They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich

    by dkmich on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 04:34:21 AM PDT

  •  The problem lies with the ideology of radical (3+ / 0-)

    islam.  How we counter that hateful ideology, I don't know.

    •  First thing we have to do... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...is get over the stupid progressive aversion to calling religion retrograde and destructive, and to pointing out that some variants of religion and more retrograde and destructive that others.  Anyone who doesn't know that fundamentalist Islam is the most retrograde and destructive of today's non-trivial religious manifestations (and yes, infinitely more retrograde and destructive that fundamentalist Christianity of the US sort) obviously is suppressing their desire to know.

  •  Some real humanitarian (0+ / 0-)

    You're promoting here.

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    "To do is to be." - Plato "To be is to do." - Aristotle "Dooby Dooby Do." - Sinatra

    by paulitics on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 05:18:32 AM PDT

  •  Enough with the education nonsense, OK? (4+ / 0-)

    The idea that the overlords of a repressive society will somehow let you (let anyone!) educate people in a way that undermines their system of repression is foolish.  Mortenson's experience shows that it doesn't work: it provides a temporary sense of empowerment to a handful of people, but it's not sustainable.  

  •  Another problem here is... (0+ / 0-)

    Terrorists move when effectively confronted. They scatter and disappear. Example: They walked over the border from Afghanistan to Pakistan when things got too hot for them. Sure, they cross to fight, but their main structure and leadership is safely away. It's one of the main patterns in guerilla warfare. Stay hidden in the population, never confront the enemy where they are strong, back away if you aren't sure to win the battle to save your strength...

    So how do we stop the "porous border" problem? We'd need to secure all the borders in that part of the world, at a minimum.

    "Ridicule may lawfully be employed where reason has no hope of success." -7.75/-6.05

    by QuestionAuthority on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 07:27:09 AM PDT

    •  I repeat, the solution is education (0+ / 0-)

      By educating all the people in Pakistan and Afghanistan we can change things. Yes start with children and women, but include all.

      And work on the world as a whole. Educating people Somalia, the Congo (big war going on there), and all the countries in the world will bring about dramatic change. By education I do not just mean technical education or skills education, but rather a broad education that will include cultures, religions, languages, literature, and on and on.

      The trick is to teach people how to adapt to change, not impose one's will them. Yes, this is costly. Yes we need to do this in the USA and all industrialized countries too. Yes you need employment in well paying jobs for all also. But, education is the key.

      We waste money on war that could easily be spent improving the world as a whole. Yes it can be done. We only need the courage to make the world better.

      Unfortunately current actions in Pakistan and Afghanistan are creating more terrorists, not less. The world and the USA are losing the war against terrorists.

      Practice tolerance, kindness and charity.

      by LWelsch on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:52:19 AM PDT

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  •  this is what Joe Biden was saying all along (0+ / 0-)

    throughout his VP campaign.  By firing McChrystal it appears that this will be the underlying policy preparing to withdraw combat troops starting in July, 1911.

    Why anyone would expect the president to announce this to the world should be obvious.  He never said that we expect to have WON the war by next July, they are merely re-defining winning.

  •  I'm with Gene Robinson on this one. (1+ / 0-)
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    not that my or his opinion matters a damn. The President did what the president had to do and it will help cool things down. Kharzai is pretty much on his own it seems and has lost his yes boy!

    Be prepared for special ops boys to take over in the Hundu Kush!

    •  Gene is a smart guy (0+ / 0-)

      But the solution is not to create more terrorists, but to create a productive health Afghanistan and Pakistan. Special Ops troops are not able to do this, and may very well make the situation worse, just like the drones do.

      Practice tolerance, kindness and charity.

      by LWelsch on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:55:11 AM PDT

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      •  leaving a vacuum is not the answer. (1+ / 0-)
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        •  I never said to leave a vacuum (0+ / 0-)

          The much more serious problem would be a peace agreement between Karzai and the Haggani network without an education program in place. I did say to double the money being spent in Afghanistan implying that the new money be spent on education. I also said to get the troops out next year meaning following the Obama time table. No education program anv a peace agreement is a disaster for the US.

          Practice tolerance, kindness and charity.

          by LWelsch on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 11:51:56 AM PDT

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        •  And thank you (1+ / 0-)
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          For mention Eugene Robinson's excellent article, and looking for flaws in my proposal.

          As a soccer grand mom I trust you are thrilled for the US world cup soccer ball team making the second round. I hope your grand children were watching.

          Practice tolerance, kindness and charity.

          by LWelsch on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 11:55:35 AM PDT

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          •  you could NOT pry them away from the (1+ / 0-)
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            television set. In fact as dual UK/US citizens we are ALL thrilled at both the US and England making the cut. And are pretty much in synch that the French really messed up.

            To me, it has been a very interesting World Cup because the usual winners have not performed as well as expected (Italy, Brazil for example) and the minor nations, with the exception of the African nations, which saddens me a lot, except Ghana, have not done as well as I had hoped.

            It is a very interesting re-alignment of the game and shows how powerful it has become globally.

            Its a interesting anyway.  As is the unfolding re-alignment of interests in the Afghanistan/Pakistan/India axis.  As far as I am concerned whatever keeps the peace and allows the people to advance at their own pace and in their own interests is good to the entire world. As far as education is concerned, i would really need to have a better idea of exactly WHAT you mean by education?  The Afghan people are not by any means ALL illiterate tribal hillsmen as the West tends to portray them, they have a magnificent history of literature. I am afraid that Americans (westerners) tend to view them through the prism of what they think is good for other cultures. It is a serious flaw in the American character and foreign policy.  It was the fatal flaw the British made too.

            •  Good for youi soccer Grand Mom (1+ / 0-)
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              To me education is about teaching people to adapt to changing conditions. As far as I know this is impossible to measure in a generic way.

              Now to get more specific, reading, foreign languages, mathematics, different cultures, different religions, use of computers, writing, and on and on should be taught. All of these are potential tools for adapting to changing conditions.

              I also believe education should apply to all, but in particular along the border regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan. I believe that where there are highly educated Pakistanis and Afghans we should use them to our advantage.

              In other diaries I talk more about the importance of better education in the USA and the world as a whole. Education is not the whole solution of the world's problems, but it is a critical component of the solution. Well paying jobs, improved infrastructure, food, shelter, medical care are also critical components of a solution to many of the world's problems.

              Practice tolerance, kindness and charity.

              by LWelsch on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 01:18:14 PM PDT

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  •  Thank you for all the comments (1+ / 0-)
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    I read them all. I did learn a few things. There are many I disagree with. Thank you one and all.

    Practice tolerance, kindness and charity.

    by LWelsch on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:06:37 AM PDT

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