Skip to main content

From HP:

"I think we're going to retake the House, as Mr. Gibbs suggested yesterday," Cantor said on CNBC's Squawk Box. "That's going to change the dynamic for sure."

"When we regain the House -- because I do think that we'll retake the majority -- the president will have to deal with us," Cantor said, speaking more optimistically about the GOP's political fortunes than his colleagues have in the past.

It's besides the point that little Eric Cantor can barely tie his own shoes, but I have a few words for him nonetheless.

Anyway, Eric, the White House has "dealt" with you on every major issue that crossed the table over the last two years. YOU, and your asshole party, decided not to deal with him.

Your solutions were always the same tired, old, proven-to-be-failed ones where your parties most enthusiastic followers (lobbyists, big business, criminals) championed. They were solutions that sucked the life out of hard-working people and the middle class and put every last effing cent in the pockets of the people who least need it.

You've got people like John Kyl who's way of "dealing" with the President is by blocking unemployment insurance while championing increased tax cuts for the rich.

By the way, as Rachel Maddow says, they are both deficit increasers. If you support one, you need to support the other, or visa versa. But, then again, lying is your friend, isn't it. Why apply logic to political expediency.

I also have a few words for the voters, those who might happen upon this article in your searches. Those who are "fed up" with Obama or the Democrats, even though you've barely watched anything on the TV other than The Hills and Fox News.

If you give the Republicans the majority, your future as you know it is over. Any chance of digging ourselves out of this recession will be thwarted. There will be marginal attempts - attempts just big enough so the republicans can tell you they're doing something (even as they throw more money at their biggest supporters), while this country recovers at the pace of Japan.

Read about that, if you can pull yourself away from the TV. Their recession has been going on for 12 years.

Remember, these are the SAME PEOPLE who destroyed your 401k's, depleted your retirement funds, made you stress out about whether you can keep a roof over your head if you lose your job and no other one's are on the horizon. The SAME PEOPLE who lied you into a war, let the Credit card companies define how bankruptsies would effect you and pissed all over the idea of regulation, thus allowing Wall Street to create products that made them wealthier at your expense.

These are THOSE SAME PEOPLE.

I hope you listen. In the past, you've ignored history and gone with your "gut." Well, as evidence of our last President, the gut isn't the best way to make good decisions.

Don't put these people in power again. This country cannot survive right now with that. Stop being lemmings.

Originally posted to VerbalPaintball on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 04:06 AM PDT.

EMAIL TO A FRIEND X
Your Email has been sent.
You must add at least one tag to this diary before publishing it.

Add keywords that describe this diary. Separate multiple keywords with commas.
Tagging tips - Search For Tags - Browse For Tags

?

More Tagging tips:

A tag is a way to search for this diary. If someone is searching for "Barack Obama," is this a diary they'd be trying to find?

Use a person's full name, without any title. Senator Obama may become President Obama, and Michelle Obama might run for office.

If your diary covers an election or elected official, use election tags, which are generally the state abbreviation followed by the office. CA-01 is the first district House seat. CA-Sen covers both senate races. NY-GOV covers the New York governor's race.

Tags do not compound: that is, "education reform" is a completely different tag from "education". A tag like "reform" alone is probably not meaningful.

Consider if one or more of these tags fits your diary: Civil Rights, Community, Congress, Culture, Economy, Education, Elections, Energy, Environment, Health Care, International, Labor, Law, Media, Meta, National Security, Science, Transportation, or White House. If your diary is specific to a state, consider adding the state (California, Texas, etc). Keep in mind, though, that there are many wonderful and important diaries that don't fit in any of these tags. Don't worry if yours doesn't.

You can add a private note to this diary when hotlisting it:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from your hotlist?
Are you sure you want to remove your recommendation? You can only recommend a diary once, so you will not be able to re-recommend it afterwards.
Rescue this diary, and add a note:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from Rescue?
Choose where to republish this diary. The diary will be added to the queue for that group. Publish it from the queue to make it appear.

You must be a member of a group to use this feature.

Add a quick update to your diary without changing the diary itself:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary?
(The diary will be removed from the site and returned to your drafts for further editing.)
(The diary will be removed.)
Are you sure you want to save these changes to the published diary?

Comment Preferences

  •  Tip Jar (208+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    chrississippi, nolalily, Subterranean, importer, mattman, karlpk, savvyspy, Debby, cotterperson, Matilda, geordie, Gustogirl, smugbug, understandinglife, MD patriot, DaleA, CoolOnion, mkfarkus, vmibran, otto, kitebro, Iberian, bustacap, revsue, Dallasdoc, pat bunny, casperr, grannyhelen, peterborocanuck, lcrp, Matt Esler, zerelda, skywalker, Vicky, tomjones, BigDuck, TexMex, Julie Gulden, 3goldens, DianeNYS, SherwoodB, relentless, mjd in florida, PBen, Flint, ccasas, panicbean, kefauver, wildcat6, bleeding blue, aaraujo, quaoar, Phil S 33, Churchill, blue jersey mom, deep, CWalter, coolbreeze, Rogneid, Snud, begone, Kingsmeg, cybersaur, Clytemnestra, edwardssl, tobendaro, Ky DEM, Kimball Cross, buckstop, Wary, pengiep, Hobbitfoot, EquiStar, NBBooks, MJ via Chicago, Glorfindel, Terminus, bleeding heart, Preston S, el cid, totallynext, Turbonerd, revgerry, blueintheface, One Pissed Off Liberal, dotsright, donnamarie, Jaleh, Cat Whisperer, Loudoun County Dem, camlbacker, atlliberal, ddriscoll, jds1978, Outrider, Wino, Jimdotz, DWG, St Louis Woman, jayden, mcgee85, vbdietz, netguyct, rogerdaddy, brooklynbadboy, Fe Bongolan, lineatus, minerva1157, beach babe in fl, mikeconwell, Happy Days, royce, pamelabrown, pickandshovel, Tam in CA, codairem, Gemina13, jalenth, luckylizard, nokkonwud, a night owl, Danise94, sydneyluv, Diogenes2008, satanicpanic, cameoanne, 1BQ, MufsMom, MTmarilyn, litoralis, meatwad420, snackdoodle, greengemini, Steaming Pile, maryabein, h bridges, BlueInRedCincy, regster, kevinpdx, Shelley99, dalfireplug, Little Flower, sherijr, A Voice, jfromga, ETF, jsfox, BrighidG, confitesprit, mikesbuddy, marabout40, roadbear, Vacationland, lcarr23, eXtina, Observerinvancouver, amk for obama, melpomene1, ItsSimpleSimon, HartfordTycoon, juturna, Cure7802, DiegoUK, sharonsz, rja, gwh, orlbucfan, elengul, skillet, BlueFranco, science nerd, Actbriniel, JanG, gobears2000, I love OCD, BlueJessamine, m00finsan, BlackQueen40, Mistral Wind, jmrichardson, princesspat, semctydem, txflower, dle2GA, BarackStarObama, debaseTheBase, createpeace, SilentBrook, poliwrangler, blue aardvark, blackwaterdog, Jromeo, SoCalSal, rscopes, No one gets out alive, Dom9000, Canaryinthecoalmine, Pinto Pony, JTinDC, RhodaA, delmardougster, LiberalATX, imchangeingagain, Skritchard, FiredUpInCA, chicagobleu, alanday, The Voice from the Cave

    "It doesn't matter whether you win or lose. It's how you ladle the gravy." - Felix Ungar

    by Verbalpaintball on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 04:06:33 AM PDT

    •  "We don't hate the Jews. We've got Eric Cantor." (20+ / 0-)

      Just like they have Michael Steel ("you be da man") to prove they don't hate blacks.

      I have flow [sic] thru Detriot in recent months and the number of TSA women in hijab is alarming... the foxes are overseeing the chicken coop -- A RW blogger.

      by Kimball Cross on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 04:15:08 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It hardly seems possible to lose to Cantor (61+ / 0-)

      ... but I've watched American politics for a long time, and I have great confidence in Democrats' ability to lose perfectly winnable elections.  Not to say they'll lose the House, but it's entirely within the realm of possibility that Democrats will lose a lot more seats than they should.

      If that happens, it won't be because of pseudonymous bloggers criticizing the President, by the way.  It'll be because Democrats haven't found a way around the 60-vote roadblock Republicans have placed in the Senate; because they've caved too often to the conservative propaganda lines Republicans constantly parrot; because they don't remember how to fight back.  

      I hope Democrats come out swinging in upcoming months and put Republicans back on their heels for supporting BP, for telling the unemployed to eat cake, for general assholishness.  But I'm not holding my breath.

          •  Dem's don't get it. They think they can screw (22+ / 0-)

            around, pander to their money people and then have their base show up at the polls.  People like us show up at the polls but the non-political junkie's...they stay home.  Which is what they are going to do in November.  The dem's have very little to talk about except how bad the R's are and that is not going to energize people.

            "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

            by lakehillsliberal on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:08:00 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  little to talk about except how bad the R's are? (13+ / 0-)

              Amazing comment when you consider the dems have a lot to talk about and the R's are very very very bad.... It is clear that comments like these are not meant to encourage Democratic support.

              •  Case in point... (8+ / 0-)

                OK - go ahead and list the 'good stuff' that the Dems have done...

                Irony: Apparently, the teabaggers would have apologized to the East India Trading Company for dumping their tea into the Boston Harbor.

                by RichM on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:41:15 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  why bother keeping score for you (6+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  Aexia, bustacap, Wary, jalenth, Escamillo, NedSparks

                  if your score card only has a column for negatives. People keep getting on the soap box to wave their finger at americans for not paying attention to "what's going on" when they themselves only focus on some of what's going on and completely missing a great deal of whats happening.

                  •  I'm serious... (16+ / 0-)

                    How has this president and this congress seriously changed the trajectory that this country is on?  I'm not talking about things like veterans benefits or little regulations here or there - I'm talking about changing the course of this nation away from the 'Reagan Revolution'.  You see, many smart people on this blog believe that we are at critical juncture in our history - where bold action is needed.  There has been no change in the relative trajectory in this country.  None.  And in some cases, we have actually marched further in the wrong direction.

                    Irony: Apparently, the teabaggers would have apologized to the East India Trading Company for dumping their tea into the Boston Harbor.

                    by RichM on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:57:11 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  How about being snatched back from the brink (3+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      MD patriot, Wary, NedSparks

                      .... of depression?  That a big enough trajectory change for you?

                      ... and we have seen the black suns | pouring forth the night. -- Clark Ashton Smith

                      by bustacap on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:09:23 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                    •  no, he's right (5+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      Wary, jayden, m00finsan, NedSparks, chicagobleu

                      the fact that you have to ask is testament to the fact that Dems have been miserable at putting Obama's acheivements out there.

                      I'd do more on this if I had time, but he's done quite a bit to reverse the horrendous abuses from the Bush days.

                      just one example:

                      per Jonathan Alter:

                      The BP oil spill is the perfect metaphor for Barack Obama's presidency so far. His first 500 days in office have been—with the significant exception of health-care reform—consumed in cleaning up the messes left by his predecessors in the financial sector, the auto business, Afghanistan, and now the oil and gas industry, where "regulators" in the Denver office of the Minerals Management Service under President Bush were literally sleeping with the industry reps they were supposed to be licensing. Obama's fate is to head up what Donald Regan (Ronald Reagan's chief of staff) called "the shovel brigade"—the crew cleaning up the dung when the elephants leave the circus.

                      http://services.newsweek.com/...

                      •  I saw signs all over county today Of RECOVERY (0+ / 0-)

                        ACT jobs at work fixing our streets, roads, bridges!

                        STIMULUS WORKING (oh but, CRITICS harp on 'not enough"--so message does NOT get out, media picks up 'CRITICS' within Dem circles--snatching defeat from jaws of victory!)

                        Please vote Democratic in November. If the GOP wins we will all be forced backward another decade, who wants that?

                        by Wary on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:26:52 AM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                      •  I agree. (1+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        lakehillsliberal

                        Although Obama is far from progressive enough to suit many, he has accomplished a great deal since taking office.  

                        What we need is the message.  A list, an itinerary, an assessment of all that has been done that is good.  Obama's biggest failure is that of controlling the message.  It should be his top priority from now till the mid-terms.

                        The only constant is change - Heraclitus

                        by Gustogirl on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 10:41:46 AM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                    •  first of all I have been (8+ / 0-)

                      on kos for five years now and since day one and every day to follow that we have been "at a critical juncture in this countries history". I have followed this administration closely and some of the most important issues to me they have taken on. One of my biggest issues is how badly we fell behind in science and research funding in the Bush years. China/India/Japan have challenged and maybe surpassed our supremacy. Obama's team has made science and research a high priority and have funded it accordingly. This is crucial for renewable energy/energy dependency and for jobs. They are also investing heavily through the DOE in companies commercializing renewable energy tech. This is just one way (one dear to me)that they have fundamentally altered the trajectory of our country.

                    •  and here we go.... (7+ / 0-)

                      this seems to be a recurring opinion from a significant number of people. I'm constantly amazed at the idea that we can change some 30-40 years of deliberate and damaging actions in 2 years. Personally, I think Obama and team are dancing as fast as they can. Yes, this Novembers elections are very important and instead of projecting the tired old "dems can screw up a ham sandwich" meme, perhaps we could actually get our own asses out there and remind people change cannot happen overnight with one election. For the 2nd time in my 5+ decades of life I will work to remind people. Let's not create a self-fulfilling fantasy.

                      you're gonna get what you give

                      by chicagobleu on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:47:04 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Well.. (7+ / 0-)

                        When Obama is in favor of a Cat Food Commission, signed a healthcare bill that is a give-away to insurance companies and is still expanding oil drilling, he is not even bending the trajectory.  Reagan went a LONG way in dismantling the New deal in his first term.

                        Irony: Apparently, the teabaggers would have apologized to the East India Trading Company for dumping their tea into the Boston Harbor.

                        by RichM on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:54:13 AM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Obama made those positive Reagan comments (3+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          lakehillsliberal, m00finsan, SoCalSal

                          I understood his meaning to be his ability to change the country, not support for Reagan's policies.  My perception at the time was most here were up in arms without reason.

                          "Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not, and a way that Bill Clinton did not, we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing."

                          http://www.politico.com/...

                          Reagan was a transformative figure.  His policies transformed the American worker into an afterthought, a joke, which was horribly transformative.

                          I actually was happy Obama wanted to be as effective a change agent as Reagan.  In the opposite direction.  

                          Upon the re-read of his comment, I wonder what he meant to convey with the "we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing" in the context of his admiration of President Reagan.

                          ~How many soldiers per gallon does your SUV get? -athenap~

                          by CWalter on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:57:34 AM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  I'm taking it as a message to (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            CWalter

                            entrepreneur and dynamo our way around the big behemoths that have screwed up our system so badly. We don't have big, fat, overfed carcasses to steamroll over obstacles, so we the American people have to be small, light, clever, and quicker-witted, and above all, more flexible. We have to figure out how to use their bulk against them.

                            We have to innovate again. Not by playing the system to turn money into more money, but to turn our minds and hands into something worth making and conceptualizing. In your city, town, neighborhood, subdivision, is there something they need that you can do? Is there something that your area is good for? Change starts at home, and if the fat-cats are hogging all the sunlight in the treetops, we cut the roots from the bottom.

                            If we can't face them head on, we must somehow make them irrelevant.

                            I 'ship Obama/America. OTP

                            by athenap on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:44:05 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                      •  and here we go (4+ / 0-)

                        Incrementalism is not a requirement to govern our people.

                        Drastic times sometimes call for drastic actions. This is a drastic time. What part of that isn't clear?

                        one of these days, I need to figure out how to embed links in my sig line ;)

                        by o the umanity on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:22:56 AM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  I believe you are actually quoting Obama from his (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          o the umanity

                          stump speech.

                          "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

                          by lakehillsliberal on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:30:31 AM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                        •  What part of (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          Gustogirl

                          Republican obstructionism and corporate owned congress is unclear?

                          Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person. -Jan Edwards

                          by SoCalSal on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:53:36 AM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  Excuse me? (3+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Dallasdoc, chumley, lakehillsliberal

                            I've got two words for you: Ben Nelson.

                            So spare me.

                            We already know that there are less than a handful of Democratic swine in Congress who will fuck Mr. Obama and The People he governs at every single turn.

                            OUR side. In Our Big Tent.

                            You think Big Media isn't gonna spin that shit against US? You think they won't try to say that eventually (assuming they haven't already) that "It was a lack of party discipline which caused a DEMOCRAT to SIDE WITH REPUBLICANS and vote against extending UC for MILLIONS".

                            That's right. Conventional wisdom is about to become "Democrats threw a couple million people off UC because they won't do anything about the  crooked swine Big-Business Toadies that crashed OUR gates by pretending to BE DEMOCRATS."

                            Ben Nelson = crooked swine Big-Business Toady

                            Fucks his party over.

                            Fucks his constituents--and everyone else's--over.

                            No punishment.

                            No reprimands.

                            Nothing.

                            What part of consequences for bad behavior do some of you expect people to keep rewarding?

                            These ARE drastic times. We need to fucking well start acting like it.

                            one of these days, I need to figure out how to embed links in my sig line ;)

                            by o the umanity on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 10:09:16 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I agree that Nelson's votes are repugnant (0+ / 0-)

                            and he lacks leadership skills and judgment, but I'm not so sure at all that he isn't voting the wishes of majority of his constituents. His district is very conservative and has an unemployment rate of just 4.9%.

                            That doesn't excuse his voting/obstruction record as far as I'm concerned.

                            I don't know what pressure Reid has put on Nelson. I do know that Nebraska would very likely elect a Republican to fill that Senate seat, in which case there would be NO votes for Democratic-sponsored bills.

                            Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person. -Jan Edwards

                            by SoCalSal on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 10:34:59 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Dallasdoc, lakehillsliberal

                            No one knows this:

                            I do know that Nebraska would very likely elect a Republican to fill that Senate seat

                            I realize that Nebraska is traditionally "red", but we have GOT TO quit scaring ourselves out of doing the right thing before we even try!

                            Especially if the biggest thing we have to baseline this assumption are "polls".

                            one of these days, I need to figure out how to embed links in my sig line ;)

                            by o the umanity on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 11:01:51 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                        •  drastic times (0+ / 0-)

                          We are indeed living in drastic times, couldn't be clearer. The fog seems to appear when we discuss how to get things accomplished. You apparently see what I am calling patience as apathy and or incrementalism (I'm beginning to hate that word, along with the patronizing 'which part of that is unclear') I'm perceiving your approach as impatient and semi-hysterical. Truthfully, we probably need some of both approaches to be really successful.

                          you're gonna get what you give

                          by chicagobleu on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 11:57:43 AM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  absolutely not (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Dallasdoc, lakehillsliberal

                            what I am saying is that we are gonna have to try a little harder with what we have.

                            Though I can definitely concur with you on this:

                            Truthfully, we probably need some of both approaches to be really successful.

                            Nowhere do I say "pragmatism" isn't a good thing. What I'm saying is that it's not the only thing.

                            one of these days, I need to figure out how to embed links in my sig line ;)

                            by o the umanity on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 04:12:48 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  well then (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            o the umanity

                            I believe we may be in agreement here. You are right, pragmatism cannot be our only tool. I guess the more creative and constant our fight is, the better.

                            you're gonna get what you give

                            by chicagobleu on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:43:12 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                    •  Reversing the "Cold War 2.0" trajectory that W (6+ / 0-)

                      had embarked on for one.  Something that the left has given ZERO credit for, as evidenced by your very lame post.  And that's just one of many, many things.

                      Lists of accomplishments have been provided many many times, only to be ignored by the likes of you.  It's a waste of time providing lists for you anymore.

                      You're impervious to any notice of accomplishments.  Hell, just recently the PTSD regulations for veterans was changed, and I predicted that your crowd would either ignore it, or would only retain that info in what passes for your brains for a few hours, then would flush your brains of that info, and you'd go on proclainming that nothing's been accomplished, nothing changed.  My prediction was money in the bank.

                      I am so sick of your intellectually dishonest bullshit.

                      P.S.
                      Why don't you explain exactly what "change of trajectory you're demanding".  I think you're reluctant to do so because you know it'll be shot full of holes as either totally stupid, or totally unrealistic, or having actually begun to take effect only to be belittled by your crowd as "too little"/"too slow" nonsense.

                      •  I'm glad that... (2+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        Dallasdoc, lakehillsliberal

                        Our veterans are being treated better.  Yes, we have better normalized relationships with Russia and China.  But a large part of that was the fact that Obama is not Dubya.

                        The change in trajectory I'm talking about is a turn away from mass deregulation, universal healthcare, real investment in alternative energy, a real step away from fossil fuels, a great reduction in carbon emission, taxing the wealthy, tax penalties for those who export jobs, greater investment in education.  Basically, away from the cut taxes and deregulate that Reagan put us on.

                        Irony: Apparently, the teabaggers would have apologized to the East India Trading Company for dumping their tea into the Boston Harbor.

                        by RichM on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:09:04 AM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  You think health care and Wall St. (0+ / 0-)

                          regulation would even be spoken aloud in a different DC climate?

                          Or are we all going to have to admit that as much dismantling as Dubya, Cheney, & Co inflicted onto the system of checks and balances, it's still standing, albeit shakily, but still strong enough to prevent Obama from plowing forward--or in any direction--all by himself.

                          No, this boat's not turning around fast enough for me, either. But maybe a little bit of that is perception--with 24/7 news cycles and 5-minute incremental headline updates, seeing the same thing repeat twelve times over makes it feel like a lot more time has passed than just an hour. Plus, I've got an oar in the water, just like everyone else. Given the choice of giving up or continuing to row, at least with rowing, I have a little better of a chance to influence where the rudder goes.

                          I 'ship Obama/America. OTP

                          by athenap on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:51:56 AM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                        •  You belittle the example I gave you. (0+ / 0-)

                          We are talkling about a massive change in diplomacy.
                          Multilateralism.  Working with the UN.  Resetting relations with Russia and averting a resumption of the Cold War.  Working with the rest of the world to secure loose nukes, and putting forth policy to eventually lead to a nuke-free world, and signing treaty with Russia to cut down nukes today.  Using what Hillary calls "Smart Power".

                          Regarding your other issues, it's just as I predicted.  Much of that has begun to take place, but it's "too little" or "too slow" for you.  Well, you talk of Reagan's transformation: he had 8 years to do his handiwork.  You demand similar transformation in 1.5 years.

                          To address some of your issues:
                          Others mentioned the large investment in green energy.  And passage of an energy bill would build on that.  Sure, that bill hasn't passed yet (and won't at all if the GOP takes power), but it would in the 8-year time frame Reagan had (and much sooner than 8 years, so don't play games with that comment and pretend I said it would pass in the 8th year).

                          W's tax cuts for the rich are set to expire.  How much higher do you want to "tax the rich"?  (Which, BTW, isn't much of a "trajectory change", IMO.)

                          A health bill was passed.  OK, you don't like it, but it is transformational in that it establishes the notion that the Federal Government has a responsibility to make sure all citizens have health care.  Now, maybe the bill that was passed is inadequate to meet that responsibility.  And maybe that bill uses the private system to meed that responsibility.  And if the bill proves to be inadequate, it'll have to be adjustd over time, just like lots of other big legislation.  But the narrative has been establishd and codified into law: The Federal government has a responsibility to make sure the citizens have health care.  That is a tracjecory change in thinking.

                      •  I am sick and tired of you actually not answering (3+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        Dallasdoc, CWalter, That Korean Guy

                        the question...it's easy, watch:

                        Accomplishments:

                        1.Obama is not Dubya hence better relationship with the entire rest of the world.

                        1. Improved Veterans benefits
                        1.  Healthcare reform for people under 26...other reform TBD in 2014
                        1. Stimulus-Short term help for the economy, long term effect TBD

                        Outstanding issues not yet addressed effectively:

                        1.  We still have two wars
                        1.  Creating jobs to lower unemployment rate which is disastrously high.  UI extension stalled in Senate so people are in danger of being homeless
                        1.  Immigration
                        1.  DADT

                        5   Gulf Oil Disaster in danger of becoming Obama's Katrina

                        1.  Financial Reform diluted and stalled
                        1.  Banks still not lending
                        1. Home Foreclosure still a big issue...programs not working.
                        1. Insurance Companies still raising rates 20% to 30% a year making HCR look like a joke.
                        1. Obama's Cat Food Commission about to slash and burn SS and Medicare
                        1. Bush tax cuts still in place with Congress adding more all the time.

                        There are probably others but I expect you to add more on the accomplishment side so have at it.

                        "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

                        by lakehillsliberal on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:44:21 AM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  I forgot one....we still have not closed Gitmo. (2+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          Dallasdoc, That Korean Guy

                          "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

                          by lakehillsliberal on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:50:05 AM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                        •  That question, more like "challenge", has been a (2+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          Gustogirl, SoCalSal

                          answerd over and over and over, only to be ignored by yoru crowd.

                          Your list is disingenuous.  For example, W's taxd cuts are set to expire and not be renewed, DADT is on schedule to be repealed this year and implemented over the next year.  If even your brief list is intellectually dishonest, then why waste time with you?

                          But I'll waste some time by addressing your complaints (you give the pluses short shrift, but that's what you're about, so it's to be expected):
                          regarding the two wars:
                          Iraq has had a huge troop withdrawal.  It's 1/3 of when Obama took office, and full withdrawal of combat troops is on schedule.  And the terrorist bombings in Iraq are being ignored; they're not delaying the withdrawal.
                          Afganistan has been escalated, as campaigned on.

                          Regarding the banks not lending, home foreclosure not working, high unemployment: You know that the New Deal programs passed during FDR's 1st year FAILED, right?

                          W's tax cuts are scheduled to expire.

                          Immigration reform is blocked by filibuster.  Arizona's being sued by DOJ for their immigration law.

                          DADT set to be repealed this year, the repeal legislation goes into effect in December after the completion of the Pentagon's study, and the repeal's implementation is set to begin shortly thereafter and over the next year, according to tat study.  That's much quicker, I might add, than Truman's desgregation of the military, where he signed an executive order in his 4th year, then waited 3 more years to implement it, and took 6 more years to fully implement.  And in Truman's case, a committee was establishd to study how to implement desgregation; that committee was established AFTER Truman's executive order, while for repeal of DADT the study is already taking place before the repeal is even passed.  And in Truman's case there was no law that needed to be repealed to desgregate the military, yet it still took 13 years from the beginning of Truman's presidency to implement (4 years to sign exec order, 3 more years to begin implementation, 6 more years to fully implement).

                          "Cat food commission" is an FDL talking point to which I won't dignify with a response.

                          The other things on the list are simply things you don't agree with.  You know what you'll disagree with even more?  GOP's policies.  But a nihilist like yourself wouldn't give a damn about that.

                          •  What you fail to mention in your rant is the time (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Dallasdoc

                            schedule we all refer to...is Obama's time schedule.  With the exception of Iraq and Afghanistan....he set the agenda and he set the time schedule so if you want to rant at someone...rant at him.

                            "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

                            by lakehillsliberal on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 11:01:57 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                  •  We don't hold the pencil (7+ / 0-)

                    We have no control over what's on the scorecard.  Sadly we can only sit in the stands and watch the home team lose.  All the cheering in the world won't change it.

                    There's no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing good in war. Except its ending.

                    by Betty Pinson on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:17:46 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                •  This game of asking what accomplishments have (6+ / 0-)

                  been achieved by this President or Democrats fails credulity, especially from individuals on this site, because many are consumed daily by even the slightest nuance of policy and politics. This whole, "What has the President done?" is a charade, so forgive me for not always being in the state of mind to play along.

            •  It seems like... (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Dallasdoc

              That's good enough for a lot of people on this blog.  When I mention stuff like this, it is usually followed by a blast of shit.

              Irony: Apparently, the teabaggers would have apologized to the East India Trading Company for dumping their tea into the Boston Harbor.

              by RichM on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:40:21 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Bush got alot done... (8+ / 0-)

                because he demonized the democrats, knowing they would spend all their energies trying to recover their reputation instead of standing their ground.

                And the republicans are lemmings, voting in hard blocks.

                That is the way to work the system. Why the democrats don't understand this, why they continue to hold on to their "independent thinking" when our problems need a group consensus, that their need to find common ground with the right is seen as a weakness, why they don't realize that their inaction ONLY benefits the republicans - and their absolute, mind-numbing inability to market themselves properly (with all the resources they have available - and the fact that most marketing agencies are left-leaning) is mind-boggling to me.

                Sure, there are dems out there who are beholden to corporate interests above all else, but I don't think it's the kind of hold that negates the party platform.

                I could be wrong.

            •  which dems get it and which don't? (6+ / 0-)

              I need a list. Seriously, I'm not being snarky. I think the narrative of "the dems don't get it" goes back far in liberal politics and certainly applies to a few politicians with a D next to their name but we need to go beyond sound bites and decide who gets it and what "it" is. I say this because I think a lot of dems do get it but the same bad apples in the caucus bring them down so the whole group looks bad. It's time to go beyond generalities.

          •  Circular firing squad, dissing each other.... (13+ / 0-)

            instead of fighting Republicans and firing up voters for the fall.

            "Bigger change will come with bigger Democratic majorities. Diminishing Democratic accomplishments is a losing strategy." sja May Peace Prevail

            by revgerry on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:16:57 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Really? (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Silverbird, chicagobleu

            because historically first term presidents have their parties lose seats in the mid terms. Seems like the scenario is actually the other way around.

        •  How to screw up a ham sandwich. (17+ / 0-)

          The Democrats are elected on a platform promising a ham sandwich.

          Republicans and Democrats in congress negotiate over the sandwich bill.

          In order to get R votes the Ds declare that the ham option is off the table.

          Ben Nelson doesn't like mayo and Olympia Snowe doesn't like lettuce, so those are out.

          Rush Limbaugh says mustard is French, so that's out too.

          Rahm says the dirty hippies are too fat anyway.

          A sandwich bill is introduced, mandating two slices of stale bread.

          The bill passes with No R votes.

          Glen Beck points out that the Communists promised the working classes bread, too.

          Limbaugh says bread is a trick to get reparations for black people.  Makes a lame racist joke about cornbread.

          Sharon Engel runs on a "let them eat cake" platform.

          Mark Halperin says this is good news for John McCain.

          The WSJ says stale bread will bankrupt the country.

          The W Post declares Obama is losing the public's trust on the bread issue.

        •  Better a Ham Sandwich than a Country (0+ / 0-)
      •  The 60 vote rule for cloture will be gone; (12+ / 0-)

        Gone gone gone the second the Republicans have a majority again.  They realize that they have abused it to such an extent that when times get REALLY WORSE as they will if there is not significant financial reform and jobs initiatives and they are in power, Dems cannot cave like they used to.

        What else can R's do to make the Rich happier and crap on the poor?  Lots.

        But they will not be able to do so if the left over Dems realize that the country is truly falling off a cliff.

        So, Dems, change the rule.  Do it now.  Enact a HUGE jobs program and real tax reform to help the 80% of Americans who are becoming serfs and dream of getting a cush job like being a greeter at Walmart.  You will get heat from Fox and R's, but guess what, they hate you as much as is possible.  Right now.  No matter what you do.

        Do it.   NOW

        "If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?" Coach John Wooden RIP

        by 4CasandChlo on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:15:43 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  How do you propose they "do it now"? (4+ / 0-)

          Mid-session, 67 votes are required to change the rules.

          There isn't a 51-vote threshold for a rule change until the beginning of the next Congress.

          Which 8 Republicans (to say nothing of getting all 58 Democrats and Lieberman on board) do you think are going to vote to reduce their power?

          What have you done for DC statehood today? Call your Rep and Senators and demand action.

          by mistersite on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:26:32 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  My bad. (0+ / 0-)

            I thought a simple majority could do so, but you are right, only at the beginning of a new session, is December logical?

            "If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?" Coach John Wooden RIP

            by 4CasandChlo on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:56:10 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Assume this is why (5+ / 0-)

            they didn't change it in the beginning of the year, when Progressives pushed hard for them to do so.

            I'm still not buying it.  Dems can find a way to get what they need passed.  No excuses.

            There's no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing good in war. Except its ending.

            by Betty Pinson on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:58:43 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Wrong. (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Dallasdoc

            Rule V says that they start a new session with the old rules.

            Rule XXII (ie, catch 22) has the filibuster, including the 2/3 filibuster to change senate rules.

            Taken literally, these two rules together forbid change at any time without 67 votes.

            That's unconstitutional prior restraint. Just as a law saying "this law cannot be revoked by future congresses" is unconstitutional, an irrevocable rule is too. So one or both of rules V or XXII has to give.

            The uncontroversial way to do it is at start of session, by overriding rule V. That's even supported by a brief written by Vice President Richard Nixon - so republicans can't justly complain.

            But you could also override rule XXII and do it mid-session.  It's the two rules together that are unconstitutional, and so either one of them could be the one to give.

            Either way, you'd call a vote. The republicans would object. The Senate Parliamentarian would opine. The VP would rule their objection out of order, on constitutional grounds, overriding the Senate Parliamentarian's opinion if necessary. 51 senators would vote to table the objection. Then you'd have an up-or-down vote. Republicans would probably try to take it to the Supreme Court, but constitutionally, they're required to respect the separation of powers, and keep their hands off. This is called the nuclear, or constitutional, option.

            If you were overriding rule XXII, you would not just ignore the filibuster on a bill, you'd have a valid up-or-down majority vote on a filibuster reform proposal first. The filibuster on bills is perfectly constitutional, it's the permanently-in-force filibuster on rules changes which isn't.

            ...

            As a practical matter, I doubt you could get 51 votes for a mid-session rules change. It is too radical. However, if you can't even get 5 senators to talk about the mid-session possibility, then I doubt you will get 51 votes for a start-of-session reform either. Moreover, even making the threat of a mid-session rules change would have an electrifying effect on people like Lieberman, Collins, Snow, Nelson, McCain, Bayh - the ones who benefit the most from a filibuster. It would help to break the logjam.

            So it's important not to give up the rhetorical ground. MID-SESSION RULES CHANGES ARE POSSIBLE, CONSTITUTIONAL, AND THE MOST MORAL OPTION RIGHT NOW. AND ANY FUTURE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY WILL NOT HESITATE TO USE THEM, SO THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO.

            Senate rules which prevent any reform of the filibuster are unconstitutional. Therefore, we can rein in the filibuster tomorrow with 51 votes.

            by homunq on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:02:39 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Biden can be one of 51 (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Dallasdoc

              so it only takes 50 Senators. (The VP is a "member" of the Senate - actually, they're president of the senate.)

              Senate rules which prevent any reform of the filibuster are unconstitutional. Therefore, we can rein in the filibuster tomorrow with 51 votes.

              by homunq on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:23:18 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

        •  the rethugs don't need no stinkin' 60 votes (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Dallasdoc

          they're getting their way with 40.

          I am sorely disappointed with Obama. Does that make me a lefty extremist?

          by That Korean Guy on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 10:09:54 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Americans prefer simple and stupid (7+ / 0-)

        to complexity.  They get anxious when forced to think about the issues facing this country.  So along come the Republicans and tell them that they just need to say 'no' and have their taxes lowered, and everything will be all good.

        In terms of voting behavior, we're a nation of children.

        "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

        by Geekesque on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:36:16 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Stupid arguments only win (12+ / 0-)

          ... when better ones aren't employed to fight them.  We can't count on most voters to watch Washington carefully and weigh their options.  The purpose of campaigns is for each party to make their case to those voters, many of whom are in fact stupid.  That fact can't be a surprise to Democratic candidates, so they ought to be expected to do a better job.  It's not like these Republicans aren't thoroughly beatable.

          •  Voters want improvement but hate change. (3+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Aexia, bustacap, coffejoe

            Change is scary.  Change requires the voters themselves to change their own behavior.

            Of course, when things really hit rock bottom, they like to hear speeches about change.

            But when someone actually tries to implement change, they freak out.  

            The Democrats at all levels of course should have done things much better.

            But, ultimately voters get the government they deserve.

            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

            by Geekesque on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:50:31 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  And educating the public about why our ideas are (0+ / 0-)

            better than Republicans' is OUR job.  

            An uneducated public only listens to who has the most passion.  So let's get fired up, and get back to making phone calls, knocking on doors, writing letters to the editor and commenting in local newspapers, etc.

            The right wing's effective at "grassroots" viral messaging and keeping each other fired up... uh, how are we doing!

            "Bigger change will come with bigger Democratic majorities. Diminishing Democratic accomplishments is a losing strategy." sja May Peace Prevail

            by revgerry on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:51:03 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  no general public ever reads dkos (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              o the umanity

              This is not the place to reach the low information voters.

              Much better to use Freeway Blogger style signs to reach the masses:

              Freeway Blogger

              We broke out the overhead projector to ridicule Sen. John McCain for running this advertisement.  He looks so certain that the answer to Arizona’s problems is to "finish the dang fence." I haven’t seen the ad for a while, but it is interesting to note that the anti-immigrant sheriff with whom he’s strolling along the ridiculously-easy-to-scale border wall comes from a non-border county. Seems there’s no depth too low for politicians to sink when it comes to pounding the immigrants in order to win the xenophobia vote.

              "Drill Baby Drill": Stupid in 2008, criminally stupid now.

              by MD patriot on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:21:24 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  I loved that concept (2+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                MD patriot, Dallasdoc

                We need to do more than we're doing, and we also have GOT to understand that Big Media is little more than Propaganda, bought and paid for by Big Business.

                You cannot play by their rules, in terms of "getting the word out", because they will screw you. They're doing it now (with a handful of notable exceptions, NONE of which are "mainstream" and never will be, if TPTB have their way).  

                Thus, Freeway Blogging is definitely another avenue we can use. Seriously, what more captive audience do you have than commuters, especially when they're sitting in traffic? :-)

                one of these days, I need to figure out how to embed links in my sig line ;)

                by o the umanity on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:37:36 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  btw (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                MD patriot

                I followed the original link you posted to the original site, which appears to not have had updates for awhile.

                So, I've helpfully linked FB's current blog :-)

                one of these days, I need to figure out how to embed links in my sig line ;)

                by o the umanity on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:42:21 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

      •  Breaking the DC bubble (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Dallasdoc, Heartcutter

        and bringing our Dem leaders in contact with the real world and voters concerns is our best chance for success.  I'm not holding my breath, either.

        There's no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing good in war. Except its ending.

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:48:28 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Can we etch this in stone somewhere? (8+ / 0-)

        If that happens, it won't be because of pseudonymous bloggers criticizing the President, by the way.  It'll be because Democrats haven't found a way around the 60-vote roadblock Republicans have placed in the Senate; because they've caved too often to the conservative propaganda lines Republicans constantly parrot; because they don't remember how to fight back.

         

        It would save so much bandwidth if people understood the first part.

        This is what chump Change looks like.

        by Wamsutta on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:58:08 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  strange I have confidence in the dems (0+ / 0-)

        not cofidence in certain groups within the Dem party that appear intent on ripping the Dems apart AT THIS TIME--won't name group but just listen to their constant attacking the Dems and President Obama, it's like they want to 'snatch defeat' from the jaws of victory.

        Please vote Democratic in November. If the GOP wins we will all be forced backward another decade, who wants that?

        by Wary on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:06:40 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  what right (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Dallasdoc

          does anyone have to act as if Anger doesn't motivate?

          within the Dem party that appear intent on ripping the Dems apart AT THIS TIME

          Who, exactly are you referring to? Because I'm getting the wrong vibe--maybe you can clarify?

          I'm really wearying of the notion that somehow, to not say Mean Things is the only way to motivate everyone in this tent.

          Do you want people fired up to vote? Then you might have to piss some of them off.

          one of these days, I need to figure out how to embed links in my sig line ;)

          by o the umanity on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:46:38 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  local folks here in WV.... (34+ / 0-)

    are now fascinated with the New Black Panthers promoted by Fox news.  Concerned about unfairness.

    Please don't underestimate the anger of white people in a recession that anyone will get a slightly better deal than them.

    You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

    by murrayewv on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 04:14:58 AM PDT

  •  I'm getting very discouraged. (15+ / 0-)

    Respected Kossacks are going all wobbly with nonsense like this.  Attitudes like that reveal a level of self-absorption and political ineptitude and puerility  that is really quite appalling coming from "our" side.  If the republicans actually make substantial gains in November, the schism that is opening will become as permanent as the Great Pie Fight.  I fear some of us are way too invested in the underdog posture to ever really give it up.

    People are fungible. You can have them here or there. - Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, responding

    by peterborocanuck on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 04:56:16 AM PDT

    •  Without that political ineptitude and puerility (5+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Cthulhu, Fury, joy221, A Voice, Betty Pinson

      politicians would just be putting their feet up on their desks and laughing right in our faces.

      I think the stress point is a part of the process and I wouldn't change a thing.  Let them think anything could happen if they don't perform.  

      "The term 'Sloppy Joe' takes on new meaning...once your tribe descends into cannibalism." - Stephen Colbert

      by Detroit Mark on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 05:17:25 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Yes, I've gone wobbly (18+ / 0-)

      and I'm likely to remain so.

      Some of my issues in the last election were (1) end torture / indefinite detention / abrogation of the right to fair trial (particularly for american citizens), (2) abortion rights protected by federal statute (per Obama's promise), (3) end DADT, which can be accomplished by Presidential fiat, (4) privacy rights / end illegal wiretapping / end the expansion of executive privilege, (5) financial regulation, (6) card check, (7) job programs / poverty eradication and (8) health care reform.

      We now have the President bragging that he can unilaterally order the death of american citizens who he deems are a threat to U.S. security, regardless of where they are.  Protection of abortion rights by statute is, per Gibbs, "not a priority."  DADT continues, and the President has been forced at knifepoint to finally cave on thiFs issue -- but he's left it to the Pentagon to "sort the issue out" even though it needs no sorting.

      Wiretapping, the eradication of privacy, and executive privilege remain the same as under the Bush administration.  Financial reform is so watered down as to be virtually meaningless.  THe bailouts were directed to the bankers, and the programs directed to the people (mortgage help) accomplished very little.  Card check is dead.

      Health care reform amounted to, unfortunately, adopting the Heritage Foundation plan of taxing "cadillac" programs -- this was, in many ways, the McCain proposal.

      And now, there's talk about a convergence on Social Security -- a "reform" which cuts entitlements and leaves everyone worse off -- which the Obama administration appears to be floating as a trial balloon.

      So, yeah, I'm a bit wobbbly right now.  

      •  Do you really think any of those issues will get (13+ / 0-)

        Better if Dems lose the house or Senate?

        DADT could have been done by presidential fiat, but if it was done that way it could be undone by the next president. It will take longer to get it through congress, but once it is law,it is much harder to overturn.

        I agree that the civil rights and privacy issues have been a disappointment, but there is no way that will improve if Republicans take back either the house or senate.

        "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan

        by atlliberal on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:03:29 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  THANK YOU, AMEN. I am getting scared, really. (15+ / 0-)

          Many Democrats posting here are either not Democrats at all or very naive politically.

          We're fighting for our lives, literally, and I see diaries on the rec list all the time  that encourage people to sit on their hands and give R's back the majority.

          "Bigger change will come with bigger Democratic majorities. Diminishing Democratic accomplishments is a losing strategy." sja May Peace Prevail

          by revgerry on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:22:38 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  So there are no consequences to ineptitude... (6+ / 0-)

          what a sad state of affairs...

          "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

          by justmy2 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:40:32 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Ineptitude? Hardly. (3+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            bustacap, peterborocanuck, revgerry

            Gotta take a broader look...if only for your children.  Turning the keys over to them will set us back twenty years, if not more.  Put things in perspective, please!

          •  I'll take spineless ineptitude over (4+ / 0-)

            a bunch of theocratic nutbars every time.

            "Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." - Albert Schweitzer

            by Apost8 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:52:44 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Nuts Obama brags on meeting "more than 1/2 way"? (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              m00finsan, coffejoe

              So that he has delivered more than half of the Republican agenda?

              Of course, validating your opposition's nutbar philosophies is no way to assure lengthy dominance, so the nutbars will take back the WH, and then, eventually, the next Dem President can water down an even more right wing radicalized agenda down by less than half.

              Progress!!

              "I am confident that we're going to be able to leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before." Barack Obama

              by quagmiremonkey on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:09:21 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  You expected all that in two years? (0+ / 0-)

                Hell, FDR had 13 years and didn't do as much as you demand.  Obama himself said it would take "more than one term".

                But fine, put the GOP in power.  It'll be interesting to see this site once the country makes a sharp turn to the right and all of your issues are stopped dead in their tracks.  All of you self-righteous "progressives" will really have something to complain about then.  But complaining is your natural state, so I expect you'll be quite happy.

                •  All of what? An alternative to GOP philosophy? (4+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  itsbenj, deantv, 4kedtongue, m00finsan

                  FDR promised to meet Republican policy demands "more than half way" after gaining the white house? He hadn't challenged Republican policies even after 13 years?

                  Obama is the one who chose to flush a generational opportunity for deep change, the same opportunity that he rode into the WH, preferring instead to mask his party's corporate-coddling corruption in the pointless game of bipartisanship. If his party, if he himself, lose power, they have themselves to blame for purposefully blurring the distinctions that could have been made with Republicans.

                  "I am confident that we're going to be able to leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before." Barack Obama

                  by quagmiremonkey on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:48:42 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

          •  Maybe we should poke our own eyes out (6+ / 0-)

            with a pointy stick.  That would show 'em.

            People are fungible. You can have them here or there. - Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, responding

            by peterborocanuck on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:53:13 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  That's what primaries are for (3+ / 0-)

            But allowing Republicans to take back control of anything after the damage they did last time is a little like cutting of your own nose to spite your face.

            It maybe a "lesser of two evils" election for alot of people but the alternative is unthinkably horrible.

            "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan

            by atlliberal on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:53:31 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Primaries are exactly right... (4+ / 0-)

              but the establishment pushes back against those as well.

              This is all great theory.  But guess what.  Ineptitude is not rewarded.  It never is.  So either Democrats figure out a way to get some results that can be felt, or all of the defiance in the world won't help.

              Continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.  

              "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

              by justmy2 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:06:59 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Ineptitude is never rewarded? (0+ / 0-)

                I give you: Sarah Palin.  Second exhibit: Michelle Bachmann.  Exhibit three is coming in November when the supremely inept Republicans reassume the majority-assuming, of course, that all the 180 proof progressives who are "taking a defiant pose but will hold their nose in the privacy of the ballot booth and do the right thing" will have succeeded in giving cover for centrists to elect wingers again.

                People are fungible. You can have them here or there. - Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, responding

                by peterborocanuck on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:11:54 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Sarah Palin has yet to be rewarded electorally (2+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  quagmiremonkey, m00finsan

                  As a matter of fact, we could have President McCain if it were not for Palin's ineptitude.

                  Bachmann should easily win her district every year, but yet she has to fight each year.

                  Fame is not a political reward.

                  And Republicans can not be described as inept politically when they have basically run the show from the minority for 18 months, and have literally had many of their legislative or policy initiatives reinforced by their opposition.

                  They should be in the process of becoming an extinct party, instead they are being revitalized.

                  "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

                  by justmy2 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:23:31 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

          •  when outrunning a bear (3+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            atlliberal, Escamillo, chicagobleu

            you don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than the other guy.

        •  They won't get better if they win (4+ / 0-)

          unless we get on their asses and make them start doing their job.

          Whether they win or lose isn't up to us right now.  They've made their choices and will have to live with the consequences on election day.

          There's no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing good in war. Except its ending.

          by Betty Pinson on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:03:10 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  They won='t get better if they lose either. (0+ / 0-)

            I agree we have to be vigilant about "getting on their asses" and keeping our issues out front, but if they lose the house or senate our issues might as well be considered dead.

            "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan

            by atlliberal on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:07:32 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Our issues are dead (3+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              4kedtongue, m00finsan, coffejoe

              Their remaining value is in demonstrating how bipartisan the President and Congress are when they reject such issues (either by strangling them in deals with lobbyists, or by holding them up as speculative balancing for actual right wing policies) or by claiming to embrace them for appearances only.

              Last March, President Obama promised he'd have a strategy for restoring scientific integrity to the federal government on hand by July 29. A full year later, federal agencies still have not received any new directives and some government scientists say that conditions have not improved noticeably since Obama took power...

              "One of the central tensions in the Obama administration is a rhetorical commitment to transparency and a fanatical devotion to message control. And the two don't go together."...

              "Our expectations were really raised by the March 2009 memo, and then there was no follow through," Ruch said. Recalling how the last administration publicly espoused the virtues of "sound science," Ruch said that simply expressing lofty goals isn't enough.

              "You had those under Bush," he said.

              from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

              "I am confident that we're going to be able to leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before." Barack Obama

              by quagmiremonkey on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:20:24 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

          •  And who will have to live with the consequences (0+ / 0-)

            .... after election day?  And if the Rs take back the majority, what exactly are those consequences likely to be.

            As I said before: knife + nose = Take that, face!

            ... and we have seen the black suns | pouring forth the night. -- Clark Ashton Smith

            by bustacap on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:30:41 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  Can you elucidate a mechanism (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        bustacap, revgerry, Escamillo

        by which all these issues will be resolved to your satisfaction by November-no wait,- I mean ever?  The system has inertia whether you think it should be weightless or not.  I wish I could fly.  It would be very thrilling and liberating, I would imagine.

        People are fungible. You can have them here or there. - Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, responding

        by peterborocanuck on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:52:03 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Can you describe an outcome (4+ / 0-)

          that will leave the Dems in power, but convert them from right-wing advocates and appeasers into believers in and promoters of left-wing solutions?

          How many elections cycles of more or less rightward advance are preferable to the painful but temporary pain of challenging and correcting the party? We have the lives of our descendants to consider, or at least some of us do.

          "I am confident that we're going to be able to leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before." Barack Obama

          by quagmiremonkey on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:27:27 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  The Democratic party isn't a "left-wing" party. (0+ / 0-)

            party.  I thought you knew that.

            But to say they're a "right-wing" party is an outright lie.

            •  Yeah, it's Republican Party II (3+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              4kedtongue, m00finsan, evangeline135

              That's why they'll lose. They haven't even tried to distinguish themselves from the failures of the last decade. They wouldn't want to bite the hand that pays for all their dishonest campaigning.

              Problem for Obama is that he actually promised that "hope" would turn the wheels of Washington, right before proving that, quite naturally, only money and entrenched power are the dominant factors.

              "I am confident that we're going to be able to leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before." Barack Obama

              by quagmiremonkey on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:56:51 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

          •  Challenging and correcting the party is (0+ / 0-)

            quotidian work.  Challenging the influence of rich people's surplus wealth on the political process, which is the root of your lament, isn't a short term project, I'm afraid.  Unless you call for outright bloody rebellion and revolution, in which case you are grossly underestimating both the intensity of pain involved and the likely timeline.

            People are fungible. You can have them here or there. - Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, responding

            by peterborocanuck on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:50:59 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Fear and patience gird the status quo (0+ / 0-)

              Past reform in this country has not always been bloody (or very bloody), but it has happened relatively quickly. The opportunity for substantive, rapid reform existed immediately after Bush and during this recession/depression. But that direction was fundamentally at odds with the goals of this Administration and this party.

              As long as the Party's present goals and philosophies remain intact, what can be achieved by tactical pressures that essentially free them from responsibilities to us? One assumes that they prefer to be gatekeepers at the Federal trough, and if we can legitimately threaten that position then they may find reason to more frequently sell out someone other than their base.

              "I am confident that we're going to be able to leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before." Barack Obama

              by quagmiremonkey on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 10:10:00 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

    •  So, ignore them :) I didn't (4+ / 0-)

      look into the link,but remember that "respected" is your eyes? It's subjective here, as it is out there.

    •  I think it is interesting (17+ / 0-)

      that when Republicans and Blue Dogs abuse Obama, this administration bends over backwards to "reach out" to them.  When people who refuse to support anything he does complain about anything he tries to do, they ask for their input and then watch their opponents vote against the very amendments they asked for.

      But when liberals and progressives complain -- we're told to shut up and sit down.  And then they give us the cold shoulder.

      There's a reason for the lack of enthusiasm.  It has nothing to do with being naive.  Even worse for their prospects in November (note I said "their" prospects, not "our" prospects), the people with limited investment in the Democratic Party are even more disappointed than true believers.  

      It sadly reminds me of Harry Truman's famous observation:

      Give the people a choice between a Republican and a Democrat who talks like a Republican and they’ll choose the Republican every time.

    •  kossacks don't drive events, they reflect them (7+ / 0-)

      For D's to keep the house, they need to be helping people, fixing the economy, etc.

      If the D's fail to do so, because they let R's obstruct,  well, that's bad.

      Don't let R's obstruct. Or face losing the house.

      An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

      by mightymouse on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:15:38 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  it's not self-absorption... (0+ / 0-)

      it's engagement. You see a problem out there, you see how it should be addressed, and wonder why nobody addresses it. You prioritize the issues and find that what happens inside the beltway ranks lowest. Ranks below global warming, ranks below BP's disaster in the Gulf, ranks below economic stability, ranks below full employment, ranks below a sustainable energy policy, ranks below the civil rights of the GLBT community, ranks below the sustainability of the social safety net.

      Because the left believes in managed rather than free market solutions, what happens inside the beltway sits at the center of all our policy ponies, and when we see the beltway fail, you get what we witness daily here on dkos.

      It may be political ineptitude, but consider this: prohibition gained momentum when advocates joined forces with whoever they could get, regardless of their prospective allies' positions. When Jane Hamscher proposed joining forces with Grover Norquist, she pretty much became a pariah here. Political ineptitude is a matter of degree. What she proposed is historically a winning strategy which was roundly condemned.

      Everyone has a line they refuse to cross, and it's not the job of any kossack to follow the party line. It's the job of our elected officials to bring voters into the fold. Where will the dems be when they raise the retirement age to 70? (I just heard this proposed on CNBC again, which is why I mention that in particular.) What's going to happen when the next financial crisis hits the TBTF banks?

      I recognize that the rethugs are much, much worse, but if we demand nothing, we threaten nothing, we get nothing. How do I know this is true? Look at the difference between the stranglehold the tea party fringe holds over the GOP, and the total lack of attention paid to the left.

      So just who is politically ignorant here?

      What has a "political realist" done for you lately?

      by papicek on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:09:15 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Cantor may be whistling in the wind---but he has (8+ / 0-)

    a strong breeze blowing at his back:  New WaPo polling shows real concerns for Dems.

    Yes, We need to push back VERY hard----and work our asses off!!

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    •  I wouldnt worry too much (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Mr X, Fury, sydneyluv, PhilJD

      about MSM polls.  They're mostly outliers.  We'll take a hit, but we'll keep the house.  You can take that to the bank.

    •  The motivation of Republicans are worse (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      PhilJD

      may work for the netroots.   But the base and grassroots need more.  The other side is worse works in opposition.  When you are leading, results matter much more.  The results that are being touted are not being felt, therefore the level of work is not directly correlated to votes by the public.  The economy WILL BE the driving force.  The only other option would have been transformative legislation that had an immediate impact.  No such legislation has passed. Incrementalism may work for some but is a long term process.  

      Karl Rove knew this.  That is why he spent the first year declaring a mandate and ignoring the middle.  We didn't get half tax cuts, we got the entire kit and kaboodle.  And it drove enthusiasm in the mid-terms.   Why Democrats consistently try to reinvent the political wheel either demonstrates incompetence or complicity.

      Incrementalism is the precursor to electoral losses in the short term.  

      When the health care debate was going on, this was made as clear as day, and people said it is worth it if 30 million more Americans were covered as opposed to playing hard ball.  The same with the stimulus when bipartisanship was chosen over hardball.

      We can't cry over spilled milk now.  Democrats chose this path.  Democrats made their beds and now it is time to lie in it.

      This is what incrementalism looks like.  We have a choice to accept it, or we have a choice to reject it.  Acceptance was chosen, and the result is poll numbers like this.

      President Obama seems to like Gen. Powell.  I wish he would use the Powell doctrine for his economic and domestic policy.  Overwhelming force.  If the economy grew too much, would that have been a problem?  Trying to get things just right is path to ruin with a good opposition party.  Especially when they telegraphed their strategy from day one.

      "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

      by justmy2 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:56:42 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  "We're not as bad as they are" (0+ / 0-)

      just isn't a slogan likely to fire up enthusiasm. I agree we have no real choice, but it's past time for the Dems to give folks some positive reasons to vote for them.

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:24:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Electing Republicans today (11+ / 0-)

    would be like a flock of chickens turning to Colonel Sanders for help.

  •  We can't let that happen. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    revgerry, FiredUpInCA

    For our fellow Americans, particularly kossacks, who depend upon their parents for health care until they turn 26, we can't repeal health care reform. For those of us unemployed, we can't limit unemployment benefits. For those of us counting on a green job, we can't not pass cap and trade. For those of us dedicated to community organizing as a career, we must keep stimulus funds flowing. For those of us considering dabbling in the fetish of homosexuality, we can't let our possibilities be prohibited by bigotry. For those of us who depend upon our artist for enlightenment, we can't let books and movies be banned. There are so many reasons not to turn back now. We are on the path to take our rightful place amongst other countries, not as faux superiors, but as equals.

    •  Conservatives/Republicans HATE equality (0+ / 0-)

      They think it should be abolished and replaced with a clear hierarchy: the US at the top and the rest of the world bowing and scraping. They think it should work the same way domestically, with the super-rich on top and everyone else bowing and scraping, groveling and begging.

      That's how they think.

      If it's
      Not your body
      Then it's
      Not your choice
      AND it's
      None of your damn business!

      by TheOtherMaven on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:36:18 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Does deal with us = do what we say? (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jalenth, PeakRaider, FiredUpInCA

    "A lie isn't a side of a story. It's just a lie." The Wire

    by glutz78 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 05:51:01 AM PDT

  •  The Party of No Vision-No ideas-No Compassion (9+ / 0-)

    Has ruined this country with their backward ideology.

    I guess it is time for me to dust off my fighting gloves and put them back on, so I can start swinging at the GOP again.  

    But, it is not so easy down here in the trenches to feel very passionate about fighting for the Dem's & our Prez like I did a few years ago.

    Watching them wimp out time after time is pretty discouraging.

    But, I know they are better than the alternative, so I will summon up the energy to do combat again.

    Sigh.

    "The Public Option = Peace of Mind for all Citizens."      -- R.L.

    by Canaryinthecoalmine on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 05:52:17 AM PDT

  •  Republican definition of "bipartisan" (7+ / 0-)

    Is for Dems to do everything republicans want and not ask for anything in return.
      When Cantor says "He'll have to deal with us" what he means is "He'll have to do everything we want"

    Of course there is an old saying:

     Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

    The only people in the country more unpopular than Democrats in congress are.... Republicans in Congress.

    I just don't think they are going to win back the house promising more tax cuts for the rich (without paying for them), privatizing Social security and Medicare and deregulating business.

    "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan

    by atlliberal on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 05:56:27 AM PDT

  •  Really, It's too soon to tell. (10+ / 0-)

    On the other hand, I also know that the average American has the distinct propensity of voting like chicken for KFC.

    Their sheer stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

    Even that of those who profess to be progressive but nevertheless hand the rapacious lemmings of the right-wing a victory by disengaging from the political process.

    This is painful for me to watch and makes me wonder what causes this massive psychosis.

    I am guessing that it is caused by the, on average, adolescent or even juvinile political expectations  
    feeding into the impatience and anger out of witheld instant gratification.

    There were never any good old days, they are today, they are tomorrow! It's just a stupid thing to say, cursing tomorrow with sorrow! (Eugene Hutz)

    by Kalong on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:00:14 AM PDT

  •  Not gonna friggin' happen. (11+ / 0-)

    Ain't gonna let it.

    Month by month. (Hope to see you on Twitter)

    by Muskegon Critic on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:02:48 AM PDT

  •  Paul Ryan on CNBC... (9+ / 0-)

    Social Security and Medicare are what holds the economy back. The government controls everything (tell that to Thad Allen, he hasn't gotten the memo, and Greenspan sits back and chuckles), and democrats are taking us to cradle to grave European socialism.

    One has to wonder, one really has to wonder, what country this guy lives in.

    What has a "political realist" done for you lately?

    by papicek on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:05:41 AM PDT

  •  Fox and the Repubs (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    BenGoshi, bustacap, coffejoe

    will convince people that the Dems caused these problems or that they are not competent to fix these problems as they promised.

    Too many dumb people in this country....we need to start thinking for ourselves and not take BS from anyone (dem, republican, or any other talking head).

    •  And we'll agree with them by blaming our (7+ / 0-)

      President and his Congressional Dems for not getting 8 years worth of work done in 18 months...and give R's back the house because we are pouting.

      "Bigger change will come with bigger Democratic majorities. Diminishing Democratic accomplishments is a losing strategy." sja May Peace Prevail

      by revgerry on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:33:54 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Typical strawman. No one "blames" Obama (4+ / 0-)

        and the Dems for "not getting 8 years worth of work done in 18 months." Literally no one at all.

        We do "blame" the President and the Dems for not clearly stating an agenda and fighting like hell to implement as much of it as humanly possible.

        Tactically, that means they need to drop the pretense that the GOP is anything like a responsible loyal opposition. They are neither responsible nor loyal.

        The Dems are very likely to retain control of the Senate at any rate. They'll be in a position to change the filibuster rules with a simple majority vote. That would be a terrific start on "getting things done."

        The sound of Republican squealing would just be a bonus, a little musical accompaniment.

        When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

        by PhilJD on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:08:12 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Hear Hear! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    revgerry, Rustbelt Dem

    The President is FINALLY calling out the GOP and certain Republicans in particular.  The Dems just need to make sure they all vote this November.

    http://www.thehamandlegsshow.com

  •  1994 All Over Again. (17+ / 0-)

    .
     Republicans obstruct and fuck-up everything, then tell the voters to throw-out the Democrats because "they can't get anything done."

     And you know what Dems did in '94 in the several months' run-up to November (besides dithering and hand-wringing and holding out hope that they could "reach across the aisle and work with their Republican colleagues" and behaving like apologetic nebbish milquetoasts)?  Oh, well, the parenthetical pretty much covers it.  

     And now they -- Capitol Hill Dems -- are standing flat-footing in the middle of those tracks once again, seeing the Republican rattle-trap train lurching down said tracks towards them, belching vile, thick soot into the air, metal-on-metal clanging away, with parts falling off and wobbling like a steel(e) drunkard.  And the Dems are just looking at each other, scratching their hollow heads, just going, "Oh, golly, think we should step off these tracks and give that junker a big kick as it heaves its way past, or should we just stand here and let it smush us?  Hmmm. . . what to do, what to do?"

     Lord love a duck.

    .

    "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

    by BenGoshi on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:10:43 AM PDT

    •  herding prima donnas is tough. (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      BenGoshi, Fury, mightymouse, revgerry
      •  George Washington was very good at it (0+ / 0-)

        both as a General and as a President - and even so there were a few he couldn't herd.

        Eisenhower was either better at it, or his prima donnas weren't so extreme. :-)

        If it's
        Not your body
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        AND it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:38:23 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  it is hard to watch (6+ / 0-)

      the Dems had get some things done in their two years here. They didn't get enough of them done well enough. They didn't handle the GOP obstructionism.

      And the Dems had to get better messaging going. One was hopeful, with Obama in the lead. But that doesn't seem to have happened either.

      sometimes it looks like we care more than our party leaders.

      An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

      by mightymouse on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:22:58 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  "Sometimes?????" -nt- (4+ / 0-)

        "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

        by BenGoshi on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:29:09 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  ha ha (4+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          BenGoshi, Fury, m00finsan, Mistral Wind

          I think it's not going to play out quite like 1994 though - the GOP had more juice then.

          but it could be a whole lot better.

          An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

          by mightymouse on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:34:52 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I want to believe you're right. (4+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Fury, mightymouse, m00finsan, PhilJD

            .
             They dynamics are almost 1:1 the same, but, as you say, the GOP had more "juice" in '94.  Let's hope that that remains the case this time around.  

             What a shame that the best we can hope for is "hanging on by the skin of our teeth."  Pretty damn depressing, ain't it!

            .

            "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

            by BenGoshi on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:37:46 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  OK (0+ / 0-)

              You seem to have developed a theory about what's wrong and you've voiced your disapproval with it but, I haven't heard any ideas about what you are going to do about it?

              I sort of hear you want democrats to be more "progressive" but how do you get that done?

              If the train is coming what should we do? Not what should other people do, what should WE do about it?

              I think the point that this election has the potential to be a train wreck has been well documented.

              I'd like to know what we can do to stop it. You don't hear that a lot.

              •  It is frustrating (2+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                BenGoshi, m00finsan

                We need our elected people to handle things differently than they've been doing, and we need them to message better.

                It's not clear to what individual blog posters can do to deal with these shortcomings.

                An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

                by mightymouse on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:08:31 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  I know. You get these people - here at D Kos - (4+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  itsbenj, mightymouse, m00finsan, PhilJD

                  .
                   who go, "Well, what are you complaining about?! Why don't you fix it if yer so darn smart?!"

                   And I'm like, "Look, dingbat, I'm just venting on a blog.  I'm neither a Member of Congress nor an aid to an MOC nor a paid consultant nor a campaign manager.  So bugger off, o.k.?"

                   Gad.  Such people come to a politics blog and get their panties in a wad because regular folks are . . . wait for it . . . discussing politics!

                  .

                  "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

                  by BenGoshi on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:17:04 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

              •  While I shouldn't HAVE to spell it out for you... (6+ / 0-)

                .
                . . . it seems that such is a necessary thing (which, I suppose, further demonstrates what's wrong with the Dems -- that they can't grasp the glaringly obvious).

                Well, if being a milquetoast, apologetic, hang-dog, dithering nebbish is the wrong way to go (and I posit that it is -- you may believe otherwise, of course), then doing the opposite would be the right way to go.

                As this, too, may puzzle you, I'll be even more plain:  Democrats need to be bold, confident, tell their constituents and all Americans that we need MORE Democrats, not less, in Congress in order to crush GOP obstructionism that's holding back our economy, in order to dismantle the GOP "everything-for-the-super-rich, contempt for the working and middle class" philosophies and practices that continue to put most Americans under the heal of the boot of debt and struggle; re-build an American economy based on innovation, work and investment in small and medium-sized businesses, in contrast to the Republican model of everything for Wall Street (to play with like so many arrogant, beyond-accountability gambler-gangsters), crumbs-at-best for Main Street.

                That'd be a start.  

                If that's not enough of an outline for you, then I'm afraid there's no more I can write that would help you.  I shouldn't have had to have written this.  It should've been shockingly obvious.

                .

                 

                "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

                by BenGoshi on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:13:58 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  dems in senate couldn't even pass (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  BenGoshi

                  the millionaires tax for HCR...not even with a 60 seat majority.

                  That's an easy sell to the public, but did Obama call anyone out for obstructing that? NO!

                  They might just deserve to lose congress, although I still hope they don't.

            •  just to be clear (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              BenGoshi, evangeline135

              My last post was confusing.

              It would have helped had the D's played it differently. and they seem to be making the same mistakes as 1994, as you point out.

              but the GOP in 1994 was more formidable, less disliked by Americans. so that helps a little.

              An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

              by mightymouse on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:06:55 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  The Contract On America was the "Juice." (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              BenGoshi

              Back then all that the Rethugs needed to do was roll out the phony Contract, get every major network to help them advertise it to the same old stupid Americans who buy their political choice of political leadership as if they were buying a box of New and Improved Tide detergent that's being sold by a bully like Newt Gingrich who makes them feel secure.

              Alls that guy had to do was sit in front of CSPAN every day for years pounding away at the Democrats until it sunk in.

              ...and a whole new flock of Scarboroughs were born with that Contract on America.

    •  Here's 1994 (0+ / 0-)

      Wikipedia

      Many of the seeds were sown in 1992 in the

      House Banking Scandal

      IMHO, Clinton's win created a false sense of security.  Remember he only got 43% of the vote.

      1994 was largely about Perot voters and Southern whites (who had actually liked Clinton) finally abandoning the Democratic Party.

      It's called the Dodd-Frank bill. What else do you need to know?

      by roguetrader2000 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:55:39 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'm not sure it matters much (10+ / 0-)

    If this community cant support a Pres who has done so much. Who sounds like they long for the good old days.

    At a OFA phone bank last night, folks were sad and discouraged until we started calling. People love Obama and are going to vote. Just keep your self focused on the job ahead and stay away from the trolls who are Kos these days

    •  glad the phone bank was energetic and successful (5+ / 0-)

      please don't call people trolls so much, though.

      An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

      by mightymouse on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:24:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  agree, namecalling not helpful, but to point out (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Fury, mightymouse, mallyroyal

        the effects of peoples' writing behavior in discouraging people to get themselves fired up to get voters fired up rather  than helping us elect MORE Dems, not fewer is important.

        I've been wondering recently if there were another Democratic blog to participate in that would give us all reasons to be fighting for a positive outcome in November instead of people talking as if "it doesn't matter, they're all the same."

        We saw the results of that when Ralph Nader took enough votes to give GWB the presidency, and the results have been deadly.  Maybe the people posting you call trolls are not Democrats but Greens posting as if they were Dems.  I don't know.

        "Bigger change will come with bigger Democratic majorities. Diminishing Democratic accomplishments is a losing strategy." sja May Peace Prevail

        by revgerry on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:41:58 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  better to point out positives of the phonebank (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Silverbird, PhilJD

          where to do more of it, etc. That is all good. Kudos to snowbird42 for taking the time to do it.

          I fear that some get called trolls merely because they are critical. Many of the the critical will actually work on the election.

          Being critical of Dem weaknesses - with the goal of fixing them - is a function of this site in my understanding.

          An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

          by mightymouse on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:24:00 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  for the thousandth time (0+ / 0-)

          Nader had nothing to do with GWB "winning" in 2000

          •  doesn't matter how many times you say it. (0+ / 0-)

            Jeff Weintraub:

            Without the thousands of votes that Nader took away from Gore in Florida (where Nader got 97,000 votes!), Gore would have carried the state without ambiguity, even after the "accidental" Republican purge of black voters from the rolls and the butterfly ballot fiasco, and gotten the electoral votes necessary to put him over the top.

            ...

            there is no question that the spectacularly ill-advised Nader campaign played a crucial role in determining the outcome. If Nader had not siphoned votes away from Gore in crucial battleground states, then with everything else being equal, Gore would have won, and Bush would have lost. The result of the Nader campaign was to help put Bush in the White House

            Nadar wanted Bush to win. In fact he said he would vote for Bush over Gore.

            I don't think you can be a success at anything if you think about losing, whether it's in sports or in politics. ~Edward Kennedy

            by denig on Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 11:57:38 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  Just who are these almighty DKos trolls? (0+ / 0-)

      I trust you've something more specific and insidious in mind than merely folks who criticize the President?

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:45:39 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  they are off their damn rockers (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    orlbucfan

    it's just typical spin we all have come to expect from the GOP.

    i doubt they believe it.

  •  Actually, he's right. And that's a good thing... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Geekesque

    The GOP taking back the House is the only way we're going to force Obama to finally take bold progressive stands, for a change!

    God, that's never gets old.

    I approve of the job President Obama is doing. I am therefore a kool-aid drinking drone.

    by Darnell From LA on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:20:23 AM PDT

    •  Good luck with that thinking. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      bustacap, revgerry

      If he can't get progressives agenda through congress with a majority and the party of no adding amendments to get their votes and then don't vote, what do you think is going to happen when Republicans take back congress.  What progressives agenda will get though?  Name the progressive policies that are supported by Republicans.

      You sound like you think Republicans are progressive and the president is not.

      •  I know... (0+ / 0-)

        I was being facetious. You know, demonstrating the absurd? I'm with you.

        Honestly, if America chooses to hand over power to the GOP this November, then this country will get what it deserves. i.e. if American voters want to treat their sacred vote as an opportunity to vent and throw a tantrum, then they'll pay the consequences.

        And it will prove that we are truly just a dumb country.

        I approve of the job President Obama is doing. I am therefore a kool-aid drinking drone.

        by Darnell From LA on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:16:09 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Japan's recession (0+ / 0-)

    has not" been going on for 12 years." Perhaps you should read a bit about it.

    •  I have... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Silverbird

      and have family there.

      The economy went south around 97-98 and has yet to recover. Call it a recession, call it a downturn. Call it whatever. The fact of the matter is things have not improved dramatically because their approach to fixing things is...well, we'll probably find out. Our representatives are doing the same thing here.

      •  You are simply incorrect (0+ / 0-)

        You rec reading.  Read this:

        From 4.5% per annum in the 1980s, real GDP rose just 1.5% p.a. in the 1990s and 0.8% p.a. in the 2000s. The problems of the 1990s may have been exacerbated by domestic policies intended to wring speculative excesses from the stock and real estate markets. Government efforts to revive economic growth throughout the 1990s were not very successful and when the global economy slowed in 2000-2001 the Japanese economy was in a serious economic situation. The economy began to recover under the policies of Junichiro Koizumi and revived strong growth in global trade, rising an average of 2.1% a year in 2003-07. Subsequently, the global financial crisis and a collapse in domestic demand saw the economy shrink 1.2% in 2008 and 5.0% in 2009.

        Quite simply, when you insist on something that is incorrect, know what you pretend to talk about.

  •  I live in a red district (6+ / 0-)

    in Florida, but I'll be damned if I will just sit by and let Republicans steam roll this country into nothingness. I will work in an area that I think I can make change.

    At least I have the chance to impact the outcome of the Senate race. I have two options. I am going to work hard to see Meek voted into the Senate. But if it looks like he is not going to make it, I will throw my vote to Charlie Crist.

    To my mind, he will be much better off than Mark Rubio. Similarly, I will work hard to see Sink voted into the Governorship.

    No way I am going to sit by and do nothing. As much as some in the Democratic party has tried my patience of late, I still won't sit by and let Republicans do to this country what they did in the last couple of years.

    Democrats all across this country need to wake up and smell the coffee. We can't and shouldn't allow Republicans to take the reins of power, not now, not ever.

  •  Good speech (0+ / 0-)

    Now, if only Obama would give that speech, and repeat the message over and over again.

    How we got here, the Powell Manifesto: http://old.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=21

    by Paleo on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:27:04 AM PDT

    •  Messaging is as much OUR job as it is Obama's. (3+ / 0-)

      "Bigger change will come with bigger Democratic majorities. Diminishing Democratic accomplishments is a losing strategy." sja May Peace Prevail

      by revgerry on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:59:25 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Oh, for crying out loud (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        itsbenj

        I don't know whether that's naivete, political ignorance, or an inflated sense of OUR self-importance.

        How we got here, the Powell Manifesto: http://old.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=21

        by Paleo on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:47:22 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  how so? (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        deantv

        When Obama and Rahm so much as tell us to jump in a lake, it's all on them. They made this mess by ignoring and insulting progressives and taking on conservative Clintonian methods.  They are reaping what they sowed.  And now they're using the tried and true conservative tactic of fear by saying if you don't vote for dem's no matter what, no matter if they are just as bought and paid for by wall street as Republicans then you'll get the boogyman ahhh!

        Tell me what is the difference between Ben Nelson and Newt Gingrich? Between Max Baccus and John Sensenbrener?  Between Mary Landrieu and Carly Fiorina? Between Blanche Lincoln and Saxby Chambliss?

        Ya, you can give me crap about they vote with Dems most of the time. But here's the rub, they work (in concert with republicans) to fuck up legislation so that it is useless.  They work to continue the influence of corporate and powerful interests instead of the people.  

        You can also give me crap by trotting out Obama's list of accomplishments. Ya for him and us BUT the devil's in the details.  What is the effect of each piece of legislation on the public perception and what are the actual details on how each thing will affect the average American.  How has each been framed by this administration so that the public understands and appreciates it? Right now, the obvious consequence of health care reform are that premiums are rapidly increasing and access to coverage is continuing to decline.  In the here and now, HCR's reality is not helping people.  That is thanks to these bluedogs who did the Insurance and medical industries bidding. And its thanks to Obama and Rahm for making the backroom deals and caving to them.  

        And the failure to preserve unemployment and COBRA benefits for 2+million people is going to bite the dems more than republicans. Just you watch.

        Lastly, this list of accomplishments needs to be sold. Their benefits are not self evident.  What does the Lily Ledbetter act really do for the average American?  What are the concrete examples of its effect in every day lives?

        It all comes back to framing and cognitive messaging.  A concept they have rejected time and time again and then when they try to use it on their base they suck at it.

        Today's republican meme is "Lack of confidence in Obama's decision making" Which is a mutation of a recurring meme that they've been doing since the beginning(birther, naive, inexperienced, etc. etc.)  Obama had largely muted this meme by governing competently and with dexterity.  But his stumble (perceived or real) on the handling of the gulf disaster and failure to secure unemployment benefits  has left him open for this meme to take hold again.

        The DNC or other democratic apparatus has utterly failed to fashion a communications strategy to counter these attacks.  Largely because they don't seem to believe in them. They think truth will prevail or that people are so bound to conservative thinking that they dare not defend the truth so lets act like conservatives and hope for votes.

        I specifically did NOT vote for Hillary because I did not want a bluedog in the White House.  Obama's campaign was everything progressive and he effectively differentiated himself from how Hillary would govern. What we got instead was Clinton era redux minus the scandals (so far).  But even Big Dog fought more on offense than this crew seems to be capable of.

        The republican party should have been down for the count or dead and buried at this point.  The fact that they are in contention to win seats is the democrats fault for failing to communicate effectively and failing to use all available tools at their disposal to keep the republican party on the ropes.  They gave away too much power.

        --Mr. President, you have to earn my vote every day. Not take it for granted. --

        by chipoliwog on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:32:57 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  The Economy (5+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    itsbenj, Fury, jds1978, gwh, evangeline135

    If the economy was better, Obama and the Democrats would be incredibly popular.

    Now maybe Obama could have turned the economy around in 18 months; I dunno.  

    But I suspect people in these surveys are not reacting to anything this administration has or has not accomplished.  Just the economy.

    http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Benjamin%20Gross berg&page=1

    by claytonben on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:27:23 AM PDT

  •  If Republicans win... (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Silverbird, Fury, eXtina

    If Republicans win in November; that is, take back at least the House, they're in for their own world of hurt and mayhem. As G.W. found out having to back the recovery bill, no matter the ideology, practicality and pragmatism have a way of forcing you to do things that don't line up with your philosophy.

    As Republicans would be finally forced to work on "saving" the country, they'll probably be torn apart by the conflict between ideology and pragmatism.

  •  Putting the GOP back in power would be a colossal (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Silverbird, eXtina, PhilJD

    mistake, one that could set back this country decades. Seriously. That being said, I think the Democrats are in a tough position here, and unfortunately I think a lot of it is of their own making. People on liberal websites understand the obstruction-only strategy offered by the modern Republican Party, but I think most people who aren't as tuned into politics will look at some of the promises made by the Dems, look at the disastrously high unemployment, which far exceeds the administration's most pessimistic projections of an economy without the stimulus, and I think a lot of them will simply say "what the hell are these guys good for?" I don't think these middle of the road people are enamored with the Pubs, but in a two party system they're the only alternative. I think a lot of this is optics, as well. They saw a Republican Party that got stuff done (albeit terrible, terrible stuff), stuff that strained the belief of any rational observer of contemporary American politics, and now they see Democrats who seemingly can't get anything done with the largest majorities in a generation. Please spare me the exhaustive list of the Dems accomplishments; people vote for the most part out of self-interest, and like it or not most people's situation hasn't noticeably improved (check the right/wrong track #s), and really, it's hard to see that we're on the right track to improvement for the average person. As such, the Dems will be punished. Unfortunately, they have nobody to blame but themselves.

  •  I hope the President deals with you, Eric (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    eXtina, amk for obama

    But it won't be what you expect.

    You see, unlike Republicans, President Obama has a full deck.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:30:09 AM PDT

  •  Republican Party, Republican Party (6+ / 0-)
    1. Denied the unemployment benefits
    1. apologizes to corporations
    1. Brought Citizens United
    1. Fought against health care
    1. Wants to Privatize Social Security
    1. Wants to get rid of mediare
    1. Wants to hire slave labor
    1. Wants to pollute pollute pollute
    1. Racist Bigots who love to cause rifts
    1. Who likes to deregulate
    1. Who likes to keep you poor
    1. Who likes to avoid paying taxes and let the poor pay for them.
    1. Who LIES A LOT with a lot of MEME
    1. Who uses the useless media for their ugly causes.
    1. Who loves to racial profile (Arizona law)
    1. Who tries to destroy government so that corporations can rule.
    1. Created the deficit
    1. Gave tax cuts for the wealthy.
    1. Want perpetual war.
    1. Who are willing to continue torture forever.
    1. Lied about Abortions
    1. Who commit treasonous acts.

    and so on and so on. The Republican Party HATES America.

    To Identify a troll you must look at their lies, their hyperbole,their character assassination of the President,their repetitive doggerel and motives.

    by Knights of Dusk on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:32:41 AM PDT

  •  The dilemma facing Democrats is that (5+ / 0-)

    the more they try to get done, the more the public sees Washington in action, with all of its dysfunctions.  And of course the Republicans want to make that process as ugly as possible.

    Ironically, the Democrats would be perceived as getting more done if they tried to get less done.  The Republicans get a much easier ride from voters because they really don't care about anything other than cutting taxes.  So, they do nothing and thus don't get noticed.

    Congress has been in the headlines every day, and the voters are going to react predictably.

    R +48

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:33:42 AM PDT

  •  Republicans destroyed this country. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Silverbird, m00finsan, laker

    The Democrats were given the power to right it.

    They didn't. They sold out to corporate America too.

    I'm ready for a people's party.

  •  You are assuming logic is at play here (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    relentless, m00finsan, laker

    9% unemployment and an Administration that says there is nothing they can do about unemployment for the foreseeable future equals an opportunity for DKos to have a battle about whose fault it is and then an eventual coming together. Democrats are in trouble quite frankly because they were busy trying to find bipartisan agreement instead of throwing Republicans an anchor.   The DFHs have been right pretty consistently over the past 18 months and Democrats have no one to blame but themselves.

    "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

    by justmy2 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:37:49 AM PDT

  •  "deal" (0+ / 0-)

    ... in this context means "do what we want".

    Actually, that's what it's always meant, but some people are too stupid to figure it out.

  •  Let the Republicans take the house. Then we can (0+ / 0-)

    filibuster and stall.  Turnabout is fair play.

    •  Efhos; HELL NO! (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      relentless, Fury, eXtina, amk for obama

      We do not have time for games.

      To Identify a troll you must look at their lies, their hyperbole,their character assassination of the President,their repetitive doggerel and motives.

      by Knights of Dusk on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:47:45 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  "Fair play," but this isn't a game... (5+ / 0-)

      Real lives are involved in the real world.

      I'm dismayed at how poorly the Dems have used their majorities, and I fully believe the solution is to increase the pressure from the left, but the country is just fucked if the best the Dems can do after November is "filibuster and stall."

      Retaining control of both Houses of Congress is absolutely crucial. Followed by, fight like hell to get things done, understand this really is a war. And fuck fuck fuck bipartisanship.

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:53:42 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  The Problem Ethos is that we don't do that (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      codairem

      When the Repubs are in the majority you will always find at least 4-6 Dems that will go along with their stupid policies.

      Landrieu
      Lincoln
      Lieberman
      Nelson
      Pryor
      etc...

      "No one can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start today and make a new ending." Maria Robinson

      by skindig55 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:06:20 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Gibbs remarks were unfortunate (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Fury, m00finsan, laker, RhodaA

    and ill advised, to say the least.  Fighting the GOP is difficult enough without handing them ammunition.

    I hope that's not what the WH truly believes or we are doomed.

    There's no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing good in war. Except its ending.

    by Betty Pinson on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:46:52 AM PDT

  •  they will end social security (5+ / 0-)

    This is the moment that they have been waiting for.  Spend us into oblivion via wars and tax cuts for the rich then Oh my god, we can't afford to pay SS!  We already gave your money away to the rich...too bad.

  •  2010 will be watershed election to see if the (5+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    aaraujo, Fury, eXtina, coffejoe, RhodaA

    americans have finally grown up. While the polls may show that public confidence in Obama has dipped (thanks 24x7 faux news framing slavishly followed by the msm), they are exactly enamored of repubs either. As that WaPo poll today suggests, dems hold an edge in which party is more trusted on the economy by 42-34.

    If the repubs win this election cycle, then they will feel vindicated by their negative tactics and will only be emboldened to pander to the extreme right, which of course poses to the democracy in US.

    If on the other hand, the repubs lose or don't gain majority in either of the house, they will then be forced rethink their strategy of extremism and will be forced to move towards Obama's rational and moderate positions. This will then marginalize the whackjobs from the right and make the repubs a responsible opposition.

    Which is it going to be ?

    BP - Proving Oil and Water do mix.
    A Presidency Among the Vuvuzelas.

    by amk for obama on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:47:08 AM PDT

  •  What is bad (0+ / 0-)

    if Obama raises taxes it will have to be done accross the board, so the dems will lose the voters.  Then the republicans walk in and keep the tax increases and straighten out the company.

    They should only raise taxes on the rich or top 10.  They are pure republican anyway.

    We didn't say Wealth Care, we said Health Care

    by relentless on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:52:56 AM PDT

  •  GOP wins if we keep whining. (7+ / 0-)

    I truly believe (and I think a lot of respected political analyst believe) that that GOP takes the House only if progressive/moderate Dems remain apathetic and/or stay in "whine mode".  

    The right wing is highly energized and united right now.  This creates a political dynamic which the MSM is more than willing to report on endlessly and in terms that are very favorable to the nut-jobs. Yet, the right-wing movement is not that large(maybe 12%-15% of the voting public) and its views are certainly not mainstream. It could easily be counteracted or even defeated if we stood up with an equal or greater political movement of our own.  

    We don't.  Instead, many of us whine about how the most progressive President of the last century is not progressive enough for us or how the Democratic Party is not pure enough for us purer-than-thou progressives.  Many of us would rather engage in asinine academic debate rather than be part of a political movement. So, we create a vacuum which the right-wingers gladly fill and we completely undermine the movement we built over the past 10 years.

    Granted, much of the chaos among progressives is a result of fairly smart GOP disunity tactics, but you would think we are smarter than that.  You would think that we are smarter than Jim Inhofe and we would know that our political movement will be successful so long as we endure and work hard for each and every achievements... even if we suffer heartbreaking setbacks.  You would think we would know that we can only win if we stay active, united and undeterred.

    I'm amazed at how much this President has achieved in his short time in office.  I'm also amazed - no, absolutely awestruck - at the prospects of further progressive achievements if we were to support him and the Democratic Party in 2012.

    •  I'm impressed, too, with what he's done... (6+ / 0-)

      but most of the voting public is not smart. They just aren't.

      They are scared, Simple minded (even many who are educated) and think only in small, self-absorbed terms. Most do not have a bigger picture. Many vote based on bullshit.

      That, I fear, is that majority.

      Don't give the general public too much credit. They've voted more republicans in than democrats in the ast half a century. We need to use simple terms, show strength, use fear if we have to. Not act as if this is an intellectual struggle.

    •  It's out of our hands (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      m00finsan

      Dems in DC are in charge, not us.  For better or worse, they're going to have to run on what they've accomplished so far.  

      There's nothing we can do to add or subtract from that. Voters will decide based on the job Dems have done.

      There's no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing good in war. Except its ending.

      by Betty Pinson on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:05:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm sorry, but this comment says it all... (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Fury, amk for obama, ViralDem

        "it's out of our hands"... do you really believe that?

        If so, you are either  GOP troll or you have absolutely no concept of what it means to be a part of a political campaign/movement. We have 5 freaking months until the election and the political mood of the country could flip entirely in that amount of time.  If we worked hard, we could save a lot of seats.

        •  Yes, I do (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          itsbenj

          Unless the WH makes up its own mind to win in November, we don't stand a chance.

          Remarks like Gibbs show they haven't made up their mind if they want to win or not.  Pardon me if I'm not bothered at being criticized by such a stupid group of politicians as Gibbs bosses.

          There's no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing good in war. Except its ending.

          by Betty Pinson on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:26:58 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Thank you! (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      JCPOK, amk for obama, skindig55

      They're playing with our heads!

    •  I take it that (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      ohmyheck, Betty Pinson, m00finsan

      by 'Whine Mode' you really mean people who disagree with you.

      The Teabaggers are the GOP base

      by stevej on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:14:26 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  No, people with unrealistic expectations (0+ / 0-)

        in a dreadful political climate and in an awful economic meltdown.

        BP - Proving Oil and Water do mix.
        A Presidency Among the Vuvuzelas.

        by amk for obama on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:19:46 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  No. (0+ / 0-)

        I think its great to have disagreement on policy issues. Typically, I learn a lot more information than I provide.  If it were a practical undertaking, I would blog all day discussing the pros/cons of policy matters.  

        "Whine mode" is the condition that unfortunately afflicts many progressives who become easily disenchanted with the political process when they do not get everything to go their way.  It is what our good friend Jim Inhofe thinks will bring down the "librals" in 2010.

    •  The most progressive president (4+ / 0-)

      of the last century -- this very statement is delusional.  Obama is not a progressive based on the legislation he actually support and pushes for and it just makes Democrats look silly to say he is.

      The voters just want somebody else.  You can see the push to just bounce from one to the other in a very uninformed way, and if there were candidate who was truly populist and progressive, they would sound SO different from the current crop they might actually win in November instead of possibly the Republican candidates.  The majority of the country that feel we are still headed in the wrong direction is correct.  As usual, their solution is not.  

      Besides, mid term elections always turn seats over to the opposition whoever is in power.  But Democrats really, really do need choices to the left of Obama to support.  Given the media spin, nobody actually considers that Obama is not left wing or almost communist.  Apparently, not even many Democrats.

      2.5 trillion dollars have been "borrowed" since the [SS] system was "reformed" in the 80s and they simply don't want to pay it back. - dKos Blogger -

      by Silverbird on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:25:15 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Cantor = NIxon Jr. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    amk for obama

    go ahead.. sit this election out.

    The public option will live on. Don't surrender.

    by owl06 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:03:58 AM PDT

  •  I think the Republicans (4+ / 0-)

    are going to be deeply disappointed this November.  We'll see the usual polls, and read the usual pundits, and hear the usual bloviating, but I have a strong feeling that the campaign is already orchestrated and the process is underway.

    It reminds me of the debates - McCain always won until the focus groups weighed in.  No matter how hard the media tries to drive this narrative, the Republicans are on record, again and again, selling out ordinary citizens and enabling the rape of the economy.  

    President Obama is a political master, people will write about this for years.

    I am, at heart, an optimist, which I consider to be spiritually necessary and proper, as well as intellectually suspect.

    by I love OCD on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:15:41 AM PDT

    •  Then again... (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Silverbird, coffejoe

      the Republicans are on record, again and again, selling out ordinary citizens and enabling the rape of the economy.

      It's true -- but NO ONE is screaming this loud enough. The Republicans, every time they have a press conference, pile at least ten to twenty of their fellow conspirators behind whomever is talking. This goes way back to Dole when he won.

      And it ALWAYS gets news.

      I have RARELY seen Reid or Pelosi control the media like that. Usually, they talk individually to a newsperson, making their case that much less impressive.

      More news conferences. More show of strength. Less whining.

      •  I think there are 2 issues here. (0+ / 0-)

        One is that the media is actively cooperating with the Republicans, and not so much interested in what the Dems say.  They know who's sitting in the money pockets, and they know who will enable their greed.

        The other is that I see an interesting thing happening with timing and message.  The less the Republicans are confronted, the more outrageous they get.  They've already decided the Dems are gutless wonders who won't fight back, they have a truly insane base to fire up, and they don't see any downside to pandering to them.  I think what's coming is going to shock them.  I'm pretty sure the spokespeople are already lined up, the ads are pretty much written, and the campaign is heating up - the message is pretty simple.  "This is what happens when you put the Republicans in charge"  "Do you really want to do this again?".

        If you think about what they're on record with already, and what they're likely to blurt out as they feel more and more confident, it's really a no-brainer.

        I know I could be completely out of my mind, but I see this as the rope-a-dope phase.  I think it's fortunate that they've bought their own narrative about how weak and gormless Obama is.  It's really going to hurt when the loser black guy in the WH creams them with their own words and policies.  They've never had to worry about that.  The size of the current crises makes even the uninformed pay closer attention.

        I am, at heart, an optimist, which I consider to be spiritually necessary and proper, as well as intellectually suspect.

        by I love OCD on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 07:54:45 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  You're far too optimistic... (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          itsbenj

          I think what's coming is going to shock them.  I'm pretty sure the spokespeople are already lined up, the ads are pretty much written, and the campaign is heating up - the message is pretty simple.

          Being an advertising guy, if you have a good campaign you don't wait for a change in the weather to roll it out. The landscape could be unrecognizable in merely a month.

          What I think is that these campaigns have not yet been developed. There is no sense of urgency with our party. They're almost like Kerry during his run, this belief that the winds of change were on his back and he can glide into a victory with little effort.

          Most of the time when you don't see something out there or don't hear anything of note said, it's because there is nothing developed to be put forth.

          Maybe the dems in office feel it's a waste of time, maybe they're waiting for something better to put wind in their sail. In both cases, they're losing their battle if they don't strike now.

          Obama knew that during his campaign. It's no different today. Once again, it's this lack of knowledge about history or human behavior that infuriates me with our representatives.

          •  I'm just seeing something different (0+ / 0-)

            I guess.  I see the groundwork being laid, and there are some really articulate and convincing Dems in Congress who can do the job, in spite of the screaming heads and the bias on the cablez.  

            And I think they'll get airtime, because any controversy will appeal.  It's easy to dismiss the MSM - we've never learned to play them - but ratings rule, and a few hot exchanges where the Republicans look like morans will start grabbing attention.  

            Fired up, ready to go.

            I am, at heart, an optimist, which I consider to be spiritually necessary and proper, as well as intellectually suspect.

            by I love OCD on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 10:03:59 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  My big problem with blaming MSM (0+ / 0-)

              is that the criticism is not entirely warranted.

              Sure, there are conservative-run networks, but getting attention is a matter of framing.

              Look. Obama got airplay before his campaign hit its stride. Reason being because he could articulate issues simply and his campaign was a case study in brilliant branding.

              There was a consistency - something that is lacking in the democrats message today. They spew a few choice words, then move on to the next thing.

              Republicans know how to do this. The message needs to be simple, compelling, hit the nerve of regular people - and you need to POUND the message over and over and over again - with discipline. Nobody in our party is doing that properly (or ever has), and no one is hitting the issues with the kind of clarity someone like Alan Grayson did last year (one of the reasons he got so much face time).

  •  Eric, go back to xeroxing the giant (0+ / 0-)

    humongous 17,000 page health care bill and stack it up in front of your face when you get to 'deal with' the President, so that it hides your stupid mug and shows how stupid you are, thinking a stack of paper proves something

  •  Reagan-Democrat-types (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Silverbird, codairem

    There are a lot of ideological similarities between the Reagan "democrats" of 30 years ago and the Obama core supporters of today (such as teaming up with pro-corporate interests in the Democratic party to support Blanche Lincoln in Arkansas and knock down a candidate sponsored by organized labor i.e. Halter).
    The Reagan-Democrat-types have always accepted corporate disinformation, they’ve always had disdain for and worked against the left, allowing the party to marginalize the left while capitulating to the right, and are really to blame for conservative electoral victories over the last 3 or 4 decades. The Reagan-Democrat-types are also the ones who have pushed this lesser-of-two-evils philosophy, which has been tried time and time again and continues to produce the same result (see definition of insanity).
    And they can’t fucking learn. It doesn’t matter that we (i.e. the left) were the ones in the party who correctly predicted the outcome of the "Reagan revolution" (which the Reagan-Democrats voted for, i.e. deregulation, trickle-down economics etc.), which is also reminiscent of this top-down philosophy of the Wall Street bailout (which will also fall on its ass, i.e. top-down), when a hell of a lot more jobs would’ve been created by investing that money into the bottom of the economy, then let the financial sector (who was largely responsible for this crisis) wait for that economic growth to trickle-up to them. Wealth trickles up, not down.
    But the Reagan-Democrat-types will continue to ignore the left, then wonder why we won’t vote for their corporate-stooge asses (who were wrong then and are still wrong now).

  •  I couldn't agree with you more (0+ / 0-)

    The Republicans are the party that destroyed the morality of this Country and Nixon started it.  Reagan was the beginning of where we are now.  Bush II was a dumb ass that should have never been allowed to run anything, God forbid a Country.

  •  The GOP is targeting seniors and SS (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Silverbird

    If you are a senior getting SS and a pension, look out! The Rethugs will try to make the tax cuts permanate and tax the middle class seniors by reducing their SS by the amount of pension they are getting.  This is their next focus is to destroy any hope of those who wish to retire before they die or not live in proverty.

  •  Comics (0+ / 0-)

    You should post this in the comics with pictures. That's the only place it will be seen by the idiots that vote Republican.

  •  Why is Obama website almost dead? (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Silverbird, Big Tex, kerplunk

    During the 208 campaign, many on this site made good use of Obama's Organizing for America website to coordinate meetings, phone banks, door-to-doors and contributions. I had been told by people in the campaign that this site would continue past the election to keep activists involved in supporting key legislation and subsequent elections. However, my impression is that the site is not, and never was, used for these purposes once Obama was elected.

    My suspicion is that the Rahm faction did not want to stir up a popular movement outside the party structure that would push for a truly progressive or left agenda, like single-payer or an end to the wars.

    Right now the above site features a place where you can sign up that you agree with the president on a very bland and essentially content-free statement on oil, green jobs, climate change etc. You can also view his recent speech on immigration of "write to Congress."

    Or you can get a "Go Green" water bottle.

    Evidently, the Rahm faction does not want any help from those embarrassing leftists who worked so hard in 2008. If I am reading this right, this could be very bad news for the upcoming elections.

    Government is the conspiracy of the Few against the Many. - Francois Babeuf

    by Valatius on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:14:17 AM PDT

    •  More on uselessness of Obama website (0+ / 0-)

      Here in NY-20, our newly elected Dem (and Blue Dog) congressman Scott Murphy is facing a very tough challenge from Iraq war vet and retired colonel, Chris Gibson. As an experiment, I just logged into my account at Organizing for America to see if the site offered a quick way to work for Murphy. Here's what I got: a list of neighbors I could call and a very tepid, non-specific script advising how to ask folks who they are leaning toward: Schumer, Gillibrand and Murphy. Zero on any issues, or why people should vote for Dems vs. Repubs and nothing at all on Murphy in particular. (And he's the only one of the 3 facing any kind of challenge in November)

      I'm worried because I met Colonel Gibson last week, had a pleasant exchange of views, and had to admit that he is very impressive. And Scott Murphy has not exactly been inspiring. Even local people who know him (and I don't)can't say much about him. When I last spoke to his assistant, the guy assured me that Murphy voted as often with Republicans as with Democrats!

      Government is the conspiracy of the Few against the Many. - Francois Babeuf

      by Valatius on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:41:29 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Because he's not running? (0+ / 0-)

      2012 is the main thing that matters to those guys.

      And it's not the "Rahm faction". It's the POTUS.

      It's called the Dodd-Frank bill. What else do you need to know?

      by roguetrader2000 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:02:53 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Why Democrats don't demonize (0+ / 0-)

    the GOP 24/7/365 is a fucking mystery to me.  I mean these fucking Rethugs have a track record of failure that makes the USSR look like a case study in success.

    •  Some of them are too busy (0+ / 0-)

      looking for reasons to undermine Obama because their preferred candidate did not win in 2008. They would rather give the GOP a pass because their negative energies are directed at Obama for the time being.

  •  "Don't put these people in power again. ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... This country cannot survive right now with that."

    Correct.  Any return of Republicans to any form of power - beyond their current ability to lie and obstruct - would be disastrous and that message, coupled with the message of how much has been accomplished even with all the Republican obstruction can be highly motivating for GOTV in November.

    Thank you

  •  Make them ACTUALLY filibuster... (0+ / 0-)

    why they don't, is completely beyond me...and frankly shows their true colors. Excuses.

    I did campaign on the public option, and I'm proud of it! Corporat Democrats will not get my vote, hence I will not vote.

    by Jazzenterprises on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:40:08 AM PDT

  •  But our president (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Big Tex, ThAnswr

    has shown us by example that they're not bad, that you should give away things in negotiations even if the other side reneges, etc., etc.

    Please don't tell me we have to be partisan now after 18 months of our president loving and nurturing these bastards?  

    The future is green: http://www.greenasteroid.com

    by bogmanoc on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:41:45 AM PDT

    •  I wonder if anyone in this White House .......... (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Big Tex, bogmanoc

      ........ looks back on the early days of 2009 and says to themselves "We sure blew it".  

      Democrats should never have been at this point.  This November should have been a further cementing of the coalition that elected Barack Obama.  Democrats should have been looking forward to November 2010 with more gains in the House and Senate.  

      Instead, incrementalism and "bipartisanship" have brought us a revived GOP.  

      "Pragmatic low ballers" have brought us to the point where the Democratic ace-in-the-hole is fear of "them".

      Success in politics, just like success in life, is making the most of the opportunities that present themselves.  

      Piss those opportunities away and you usually don't get another chance.  

      Thus, the Democratic panic over November 2010.  

      This thread is full of trolls, at least one of which is very likely a zombie. Zombies and trolls: Seen any elves lately?

      by ThAnswr on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:19:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Right (0+ / 0-)

        and maybe when they go after his wife he'll care, or maybe it will take them going after his children.

        The right wingnuttia are rat-bastard fronts for multi-national corporations using anything they can to re-take the reigns of a government they so despise, whether it's through racism, treasonous remarks, the flag, homosexuals, you name it.

        My fear is half the Democratic party is in league with the multi-nationals as well.  The question still unanswered by Obama -- which side are you on?  The people's or the corporations?

        The future is green: http://www.greenasteroid.com

        by bogmanoc on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 06:40:33 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Escape from Gilligan's Island. (0+ / 0-)

    I know, this is totally out of left field but for years Cantor seemed to me to be like Gilligan to Boehner's Skipper.

    The meek, bumbling Little Buddy to the bone-headed and blustery Skipper. Always at his heel, ever ready to laugh at his jokes and follow his lead no matter what pit of quicksand it might land them in.

    It looks like the Little Buddy feels it's time to captain his own ship despite the fact that his skills will likely land him on an even more desolate island than the one he yearns to escape from. Sad.

    Of course, all apologies to Gilligan/Bob Denver and the Skipper/Allan Hale for this comparison.

    "Here we are, trapped in the amber of the moment. There is no why." - Kurt Vonnegut

    by Wayneman on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:43:02 AM PDT

  •  Berating the electorate is no way to win (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Big Tex, revprez

    elections. Perhaps the reason why the Dems are doing so poorly at the polls has something to do with the Dems themselves?

    •  Sentiment's right... (0+ / 0-)

      ...if you're speaking narrowly on strategy.  It certainly was a mistake to put off job creation for so long.

    •  It has alot to do with them... (0+ / 0-)

      but it also has to do with ignorance.

      And ignorance NEEDS to be berated, productive or not. To let it fly would mean we accept this kind of behavior, this political ignorance, this feeling that we only need to know the little we want to know about our government and representatives. Hell, only millions of Americans fought for this right. Why NOT let it be seen as acceptable.

    •  Amen to this! (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      IvanR

      Really, there ARE intelligent, educated, good-hearted people out there who simply hold a different view of what the federal government should, or should not, do.  

      Telling them repeatedly that they are stupid, or ignorant, or just evil is no way to win them over.

      And even if they don't read this site much (if at all), it has gotten to be taken as a given around here that anyone who does not hold progressive views -- and that means ALL progressive views -- is necessarily either stupid, ignorant, or just evil.  When that's how you think about pretty much everybody who disagrees with you, it doesn't put you in a great posture for persuading people who disagree with you.

      •  It's really very simple... (0+ / 0-)

        My berating of the idiots out there won't make a damn bit of difference. They won't read this anyway - and if they do? Well, I've made the case as to WHY they need to vote democrat. Being delicate with these people doesn't seem to work. You need to shake them. Get their attention. Calling them "lemmings" is hardly the worst insult in the world.

        The best way to win EVERYONE over is with action and results. Our democratic representatives have been too timid to create their own course, therefore, they are in trouble.

        Really, there ARE intelligent, educated, good-hearted people out there who simply hold a different view of what the federal government should, or should not, do.

        Who cares how they think government SHOULD do or be. We have to deal with WHAT IT IS. Guaranteed, if our reps don't start acting like a voting block in office, no matter of good intentions will get us anywhere when the republicans take hold.

        •  And when I talk about "idiots" (0+ / 0-)

          I am referring to the hard core conservatives and blue dogs (who are really republicans).

          Most democrats are intelligent, I believe. I just think they have a more naive view of how much government can change than I do.

          And it only changes if you show you have guts. So far, the democrats have not shown that.

  •  Run against Cantor rather than on our record (0+ / 0-)

    Successful or not, it's absolutely pathetic.

    And it won't be successful IMHO.

    It's called the Dodd-Frank bill. What else do you need to know?

    by roguetrader2000 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 08:59:35 AM PDT

  •  Like it or not ......... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Big Tex, CapeTown96

    "When we regain the House -- because I do think that we'll retake the majority -- the president will have to deal with us,"

    Cantor is right.  If the GOP takes the House and more Senate seats, Obama will have to deal with the GOP meat grinder.  

    This thread is full of trolls, at least one of which is very likely a zombie. Zombies and trolls: Seen any elves lately?

    by ThAnswr on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:09:55 AM PDT

    •  And any legislation that gets passed is going to (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      CapeTown96

      have to be a compromise between Democratic and Republican views, as Boehner will control what does, and does not, come to the floor of the House.  

      The alternative is that NOTHING gets done.  And that's fine with most Republicans, who think that the federal government is too large and does too much already.  

      •  That's the reality of politics. (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Dave925, Big Tex, m00finsan

        That's what has been at stake since January 2009.  Far too many Democrats thought they had all the time in the world to move the agenda beyond baby-steps.  

        This thread is full of trolls, at least one of which is very likely a zombie. Zombies and trolls: Seen any elves lately?

        by ThAnswr on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:22:06 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Truman's 1948 strategy is Obamas only hope. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Dave925

      Truman bombarded the GOP controlled Congress with progressive bill after progressive bill. When GOP Congress refused to deal with problems, Truman was able to successfully run against them in 1948.

      Unfortunately Obama does not have Truman's strength or convictions. He will likely continue his "bipartisan" strategy of taking whatever GOP gives him and calling it a "great achievement".

      We can always hope for change in Obama but past is prologue and Obama will get rolled by 112th Congress as he did by 111th Congress. Obama was wrong guy at the wrong time.

      •  Exactly. (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Dave925, CapeTown96

        If the GOP takes the House and gains seats in the Senate, Obama has two ways to go:

        1.  Further become Bill Clinton making Democrats even more irrelevant in the quest to become GOP-lite setting up an unenthusiastic party and a greater possible loss in 2012 including the presidency.  
        1.  Becomes Harry Truman, starts spitting Democratic fire, revitalizes the Democrat party and sets up Democratic victories in 2012 in the House, Senate, and presidency.

        Past performance tells me Door #1 will be the choice.  

        Obama was wrong guy at the wrong time.

        He definitely needed more seasoning.  

        This thread is full of trolls, at least one of which is very likely a zombie. Zombies and trolls: Seen any elves lately?

        by ThAnswr on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 10:31:07 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Clinton beat back GOP, kicked Newt to curb. (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          ThAnswr

          We should hope Obama DOES become Bill Clinton. Faced with similar situation caused by same do nothing Democratic majority, Clinton beat GOP, Newt and "Contract on America" to the curb.

          Newt and GOP overreached with the government shutdown and Clinton beat them by framing it as GOP extremism. Will Cantor (I'll think he'll beat Boehner for Speaker of the House) and McConnell make the same mistake as Newt?

          When GOP Congress is sworn in January 2011, I suspect Obama will be having lots of dinners with the Clinton's asking Bill how he did it.

          He definitely needed more seasoning.

          Obama was in the Senate, in Congress, in DC for two years. He knew the players. He knew the game. I just think he has proven to be the wrong guy. He lacks conviction and is a poor negotiator, both of which lead to his getting rolled time after time by the GOP minority and Congress in general.

          I'll be happy if Obama comes back as strongly as Clinton. Hope for change, in Obama.

          •  No, I hope Obama is not Bill Clinton (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            CapeTown96

            Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, the Telecommunications Act, Gramm-Leach-Bliley, took away the safety net via "welfare reform", etc.  

            Clinton was a DLC-corporatist dream.  

            Bill Clinton didn't stand up to Gingrich.  He let Gingrich hang himself.  

            I understand Clinton had a veto-proof Congress.  So why make it easy for them.  If the GOP wanted to override Clinton's veto, he should have let them do it.  Instead, he went along because that's what he believed in.

            Obama was in the Senate, in Congress, in DC for two years. He knew the players. He knew the game. I just think he has proven to be the wrong guy. He lacks conviction and is a poor negotiator, both of which lead to his getting rolled time after time by the GOP minority and Congress in general.

            Certainly starting to look that way.  

            This thread is full of trolls, at least one of which is very likely a zombie. Zombies and trolls: Seen any elves lately?

            by ThAnswr on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 02:00:52 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  Afghanistan (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Pluto

    You are right Bush made unreasoned decisions.
    But is Obama's reasoned decision on Afghanistan
    any better.  Why the left is not pushing to the
    war is one of the great enigmas of this year.

  •  Has Cantor brought a stop to spice production? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Pluto

    Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

    by Robobagpiper on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:51:46 AM PDT

bink, chrississippi, RF, nolalily, Subterranean, madmsf, mattman, newjeffct, karlpk, tommurphy, Debby, Shockwave, donna in evanston, tacet, genethefiend, azale, Sandy on Signal, opinionated, kalihikane, understandinglife, CoolOnion, boadicea, mkfarkus, vmibran, rabel, Iberian, bustacap, Cedwyn, nalakop, Quege, jdmorg, Dallasdoc, Chicago Lulu, casperr, grannyhelen, westyny, peterborocanuck, Timbuk3, Matt Esler, econlibVA, Curt Matlock, mungley, skywalker, tomjones, BigDuck, snowbird42, Armand451, Julie Gulden, gammarock, chumley, radarlady, 3goldens, DianeNYS, alaprst, JanetT in MD, SherwoodB, relentless, mjd in florida, Erik the Red, PBen, Flint, ccasas, panicbean, kefauver, boofdah, bleeding blue, aaraujo, Inland, Fury, blue jersey mom, Geekesque, Bob B, CWalter, coolbreeze, deepsouthdoug, Rogneid, JanL, mrchips46, mightymouse, Alan Arizona, Snud, kathny, Wayneman, reddbierd, cybersaur, Clytemnestra, edwardssl, BlueInARedState, tobendaro, Ky DEM, Kimball Cross, Hear Our Voices, Hobbitfoot, NBBooks, global citizen, A Siegel, Glorfindel, Terminus, bleeding heart, el cid, Pilgrim X, Turbonerd, revgerry, blueintheface, AntKat, One Pissed Off Liberal, donnamarie, Cat Whisperer, Loudoun County Dem, camlbacker, Outrider, Jimdotz, DWG, jayden, vbdietz, DamnThatOjeda, owl06, JML9999, sand805, fayeforcure, bkamr, weegeeone, brooklynbadboy, Fe Bongolan, Cat Servant, lineatus, minerva1157, VL Baker, mikeconwell, royce, pamelabrown, smartdemmg, Jake Williams, Gemina13, jalenth, o the umanity, pentacon, luckylizard, BlueStateRedhead, a night owl, Danise94, sydneyluv, Diogenes2008, vmdairy, satanicpanic, cameoanne, Sun dog, 1BQ, multilee, MufsMom, litoralis, snackdoodle, greengemini, Partisan Progressive, BlueInRedCincy, John Shade, allep10, kevinpdx, Shelley99, dalfireplug, louisprandtl, Little Flower, sherijr, A Voice, Livvy5, futureliveshere, ETF, BrighidG, confitesprit, marabout40, Tx LIberal, roadbear, Vacationland, eXtina, breathe67, Observerinvancouver, amk for obama, Crabby Abbey, your neighbor, rkthomas, melpomene1, ctlrick, ItsSimpleSimon, HartfordTycoon, juturna, Cure7802, DiegoUK, sharonsz, elengul, BlueFranco, Floande, skindig55, science nerd, JanG, mallyroyal, gobears2000, I love OCD, nicethugbert, BlueJessamine, m00finsan, BlackQueen40, Eclectablog, Mistral Wind, soothsayer99, princesspat, semctydem, Muskegon Critic, dle2GA, BarackStarObama, KVoimakas, floridablue, createpeace, pensivelady, SilentBrook, PhilJD, cassandra123, poliwrangler, Vatexia, blue aardvark, blackwaterdog, Jromeo, rscopes, zenox, Dom9000, True Blue Vet, Free Chicken and Beer, bluebottles, JTinDC, RhodaA, delmardougster, Knights of Dusk, imchangeingagain, Skritchard, chicagobleu, The Voice from the Cave, write4change65

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site