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Our pathetic national media just drive me crazy sometimes.

CNN.com runs the headline: "CNN Poll: Quarter doubt Obama was born in U.S."

NYTimes.com's The Caucus blog uses: "On President's Birthday, Doubts Persist About His Birthplace"

And The Hill's Blog Briefing Room goes with: "Poll: 27 percent of Americans doubt Obama's birthplace"

What's with the "doubt?"

This isn't like saying "I doubt that the Red Sox are going to win the World Series this year." This isn't a "I doubt my home is worth what it was two years ago" issue.

The word doubt is an expression that describes something that may be true but probably isn't. It describes something debatable.

It's really not appropriate to use the word doubt to describe something that is demonstrably false.

Would we ever use the word doubt to question whether the sun will rise in the east and set in the west? Would a 5 foot 11 inch guy (like me) ever use it to say, "I doubt that I am 6 foot 5 inches tall?" Or would an overweight couch potato (like me) ever say, "I doubt that I am the starting quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers?"

Here are some more appropriate headlines our media should have used:

A Quarter of Americans Inexplicably Refuse to Accept Reality of Obama's Birth

Or:

For 27% of Americans, Birth Certificate Still Not Enough

Or:

On President's Birthday, Birthers Still Cling to Conspiracy Theory

We sit around and laugh at the Birthers and we wonder how so many people could be so crazy. And yet our mainstream media refuse to draw a sharp line in the sand on this. They use the soft language of "doubt" and grant these whackos theoretical plausibility.

There is no doubt about it. Obama was born in Hawaii. There's a birth certificate and there's a newspaper announcement. Case closed.

You can doubt that water is made up of one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms. You can doubt that the earth rotates on an axis and revolves around the sun. You can doubt these things, but the national media should not give you the benefit of the doubt.

Originally posted to claudsam on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 03:16 AM PDT.

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  •  It's odd the number is penned at 27% (13+ / 0-)

    That's known as "The Crazification Factor":

    John: Hey, Bush is now at 37% approval. I feel much less like Kevin McCarthy screaming in traffic. But I wonder what his base is --

    Tyrone: 27%.

    John: ... you said that immmediately, and with some authority.

    Tyrone: Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That's crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% Crazification Factor in any population.

    http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/...

    This thread is full of trolls, at least one of which is very likely a zombie. Zombies and trolls: Seen any elves lately?

    by ThAnswr on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 03:31:32 AM PDT

    •  The number used to be 13% (4+ / 0-)
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      Now it has grown to 27%.  During my lifetime, any poll would have 13% (of which we used to call The Nut Factor) at the bottom supporting some wild ass idea or another.  Oleo first was on the market packaged with a small yellow pellet that needed to be mixed in with the colorless Oleomargarine.  Thirteen % thought the yellow pellet was poisonous and part of a plot.

      Now, however, I would venture to guess that 13% of the 27% polled don't know Hawaii is a State. During my lifetime, the U.S. population has probably about doubled so it makes sense that The Nut Factor would have also about doubled.  

      •  the report I saw... (3+ / 0-)
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        Says that only 42% of Americans firmly believe the President is a US citizen.  29% "have doubts", the remainder definite died in the wool believe he is a foreigner.  That means 58% of Americans either don't believe he is a citizen or have some doubts.

        That make it MUCH WORSE than "a quarter have some doubts".  And this is UP from 48% just a few months ago.

        This is all about loosing the message war.  This is the President's camp trying to presume that we're all adults.  Instead of the reality that people are stupid and gullible.  And unless you are willing to do what it takes to make them believe, you will loose almost everytime.  The Republican's know this and have worked to perfect their techniques of "persuasion" for 50 years.  

        --Mr. President, you have to earn my vote every day. Not take it for granted. --

        by chipoliwog on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 06:02:02 AM PDT

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      •  This dates me. (1+ / 0-)
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        When I was a kid, I LOVED the Oleo packet. It was my job to squeeze the packet until the orange/red dot turned the packet of white Oleo margarine yellow.

        One particular time I bashed the packet against the door jamb into the kitchen and the packet broke splashing Oleo everywhere. What a mess!

        My method of "squeezing" was not appreciated. I was only 3 or 4 but I remember it like yesterday.

        "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -- Jonathan Swift

        by Jane Lew on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 09:21:48 AM PDT

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  •  I think they give birthers too much importance by (6+ / 0-)

    conducting those stupid polls ! I'm sure if they poll some libs, at least 45% of us believe Palin, Bachmann and Angle are cartoon characters !

    Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

    by LaurenMonica on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 04:04:18 AM PDT

  •  How many believe Iraq attacked (9+ / 0-)

    us on 911?

    This should shed light on how so many can think Preident O was noot born here.....

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

    by ctexrep on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 04:04:50 AM PDT

    •  This is a good point (7+ / 0-)

      I remember a poll back in the late 90s that asked people an open-ended question to name who the Vice President was. The top answer by far was Hillary Clinton. I think in the same poll or a similar poll around the same time, something like single digits could name Alan Greenspan as the Fed Chairman.

      Makes me think of the "Jay Walking" segments on the Tonight Show. I don't watch this show, but I have seen segments in which people can't describe what we celebrate on July 4th or can't name the capitol of the U.S. Goes to show you why Sarah Palin may seem like a "qualified" candidate for president by so many whack-a-doodles.

  •  they don't really believe it, but (6+ / 0-)

    they cannot admit to themselves that someone who is not white is President.

    Also, they are clutching at straws for any way to claim he is not "legitimate"

    •  Cognitive dissonance (6+ / 0-)

      is a powerful thing.

      Remember, Limbaugh and his flock of flying monkeys claimed Clinton was illegitimate because he got less than a majority of the vote.  When Bush lost the popular vote (and the electoral vote, but that's another story), crickets.

      "Real Americans" would not vote for Barack Obama.  Ergo, ACORN stole the election.  Alternate theory:  Obama is not a real American.  He's not properly white, he's not wingnutty enough.  And he has a funny name.  Only white guys with Scotch-Irish names are really Americans.

      "never trust a rich man when he offers you a truce"

      by KibbutzAmiad on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 04:34:25 AM PDT

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  •  Another poll on this question (5+ / 0-)
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    (as I recall) also had a significant number of people who thought Hawaii wasn't in the United States.

    •  I once worked as a security guard at Honolulu.... (5+ / 0-)
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      International Airport.

      Granted, this was in the 1970's, but still....

      We got very tired of people saying, "Back in the United States...." Or "This is my first trip to a foreign country..."

      The worst, though, was a nicely dressed lady who asked me where she could exchange her American money for Hawaiian money.

      I couldn't help it. "Ma'am, if you'll go down the main concourse and turn left, you'll find a branch of the Bank of Hawaii. They'll be glad to help you there."

      Then I got the hell out of there.

      Then I came to Texas.
      About my third day here,  I tried to pay for gas with a Bank of American charge card.

      "I can't accept this," says the clerk.

      "Why not?"

      "It's a foreign card. We can only accept cards issued in America."

      I asked him how many states there are in the Union.

      "Fifty."

      "And what's the fiftieth state?"

      "Uh...I'm not sure."

      "Hawaii. The fiftieth state. A star on the flag and everything. Now will you please run this card and give me my goddamn receipt?"

      Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

      by Sirenus on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 07:01:00 AM PDT

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    •  I'm originally from WV (0+ / 0-)

      You would not believe how many people think it is the western part of Virginia.

      The same is true of New Mexico. LOL, how can something with "Mexico in the name be part of the United States?

      "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -- Jonathan Swift

      by Jane Lew on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 09:26:02 AM PDT

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  •  Kenya is about to have a new constitution (0+ / 0-)

    One where Obama can be King of Kenya and President of the United States at the same time.
    Just for fun.

  •  The MSM not calling these people out as (5+ / 0-)

    the crazy asses that they are is even more maddening then the 27% that feel this way. Everytime this question comes up and it should not come us as much as it does. These people should be made to look like the wingnuts they are. Remember their leader is Orley Tates, and you don't get any crazier than that.

  •  A quarter of the people polled (1+ / 0-)
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    didn't know we declared our independence from England. Bush's approval ratings ran at roughly 25% towards the end. Roughly a quarter of voters identify as Republicans.

    I know these can't all be the same people, but it's striking nonetheless.

    I want to live forever. So far, so good.

    by NMDad on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 06:20:44 AM PDT

  •  On the night of the election ... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... who knew that having the first black president would make people this crazy? I hoped that whatever racism was left would now biodegrade. But, no, instead they went delusional, forgetting that when a man's mom is born in Kansas, he is a U.S. citizen no matter what. Orly Hates, are you listening?

    "It does not require many words to speak the truth." -- Chief Joseph, native American leader (1840-1904)

    by highfive on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 06:25:02 AM PDT

    •  When a man is born in the 50th state..... (0+ / 0-)

      ...of the Union, or in any state, he is an American citizen, no matter who his parents are.

      Unless, of course, these idiots managed to eliminate that part of the Constitution.

      Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

      by Sirenus on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 07:02:54 AM PDT

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      •  John McCain was born in the Canal Zone. (0+ / 0-)

        Why don't these folks have a problem with that?

        "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -- Jonathan Swift

        by Jane Lew on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 09:29:04 AM PDT

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        •  Because he was born on a military base... (0+ / 0-)

          ...but of course, considering the absurd "requirements" listed for Obama to be a citizen--his mom had to have lived in the U. S. for 5 years before he was born, she was too young when she got pregnant, etc. etc. etc. I think being born in a piece of real estate we were leasing from a foreign country could have at least have been mentioned.

          Except anti-Republican wingnuttiness gets killed at the first peep....while anti-Democrat wingnuttiness becomes a national movement.

          Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

          by Sirenus on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 09:40:42 AM PDT

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          •  I get it. (0+ / 0-)

            I was just wondering why the folks who have a problem with Obama being born in Hawaii don't have a problem with McCain  being born in the canal zone.

            There are other examples. Lowell Wicker who ran for president was born in Paris. George Romney who ran for president was born in Mexico.

            "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -- Jonathan Swift

            by Jane Lew on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 09:51:52 AM PDT

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  •  The 'over white' MSM will (1+ / 0-)
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    never call out racist white retard..  as Maureen Down wrote "the Obama white house is too white"  The media is too white.
    Most keep forgetting the media is OWNED by republicans thereby agree with teabaggers to overthrow the Obama government. Republican media in code uses the word 'doubt' on purpose. they will keep this in the media until Obama is out of office.
    I watch ED show daily and sometime i see the pain he goes through reporting/repeating on the teabagger crazies. Ed's radio show is nothing like the tv show. I  must admit I change to cnn when beck, palin and limbo portions comes up.

  •  A good friend of mine who is... (0+ / 0-)

    a moderate independent who leans Republican due primarily to his income level (voting his pocketbook) jokes about how Obama was born in Kenya all the time...I assume he is joking...but you never know what he would actually answer if you got him on a phone poll...

    I also discount those poll results...because the 40% of voters who just really hate President Obama, whether they believe it or not would answer any poll question about President Obama negatively...

    Obama - Change I still believe in

    by dvogel001 on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 06:38:28 AM PDT

  •  Saw a tabloid in the supermarket yesterday.... (0+ / 0-)

    ...that was still pushing this idiocy. The front page showed a shot of that bogus Kenyan birth certificate. You know, the one that, if you can find the link, you can fill it out with whatever info you want and create a photo that shows "your" Kenyan birth certificate?

    I still have a screen shot somewhere showing my version...

    Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

    by Sirenus on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 06:49:56 AM PDT

  •  Maybe they should dig deeper (0+ / 0-)

    to find out WHY? CNN repeating that Palin doesn't think Obama was properly vetted doesn't help. Plus, why does she get to be in the news but not the actual 50 governors of the U.S. that didn't quit six months into their terms......

    You can't prove your innocence. Plus why don't they ask Palin and McCain why they didn't make that the issue of the campaign? Why did they allow an "unquailified" person to be President? That is more serious then being friend to a "terrorist"  when you were eight....shows you how stupid they are.

    The President should also come out and say "As an American, I am insulted and you should be too."  

    But it does go back to what more can he do...he can not prove his innocence that is why the media is setting a dangerous course.

    Stand your grounds. Espresso yourself.

    by coffejoe on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 06:58:33 AM PDT

  •  No one ever raised the question re McCain. (1+ / 0-)
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    Who was born in Panama, in the Canal Zone, which was not even an American territory, just a chunk of land we were leasing from Panama at the time.

    Granted, he was born on an American military base, but if being born in an American state to a mother who married a Kenyan disqualifies you to be president--or to a mother who didn't live in the U.S. for the five years prior to her child's birth, or who was only 16 when--well, when something happened that made her ineligible to bear an American citizen (all these emails! I get confused!) why has no one claimed that the military base thing doesn't count?

    I say we need to take a careful look at what actually happened down in Panama.....

    Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

    by Sirenus on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 07:10:03 AM PDT

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