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I have not written a diary in a while, but this issue  is eating at me.  By now everyone has heard what happened to General Lavelle in 1972. He was "thrown under the bus" by the then President of the United States, Richard Milhouse Nixon who was running for re-election.

He was demoted from four stars to three and then after hearings on the bombing of North Vietnam,  the Senate  voted to strip him of his third star, and retired him as a Major General (2 stars) with his name slimed thru the mud as being a rogue officer who chose to bomb North Vietnam on his own. The truth that he had been ordered to do so by the President was kept from the Secretary of defense and Congress. Many people inside the White House knew of this, and this is where my anger lays.

Dr Kissinger and General Alexander Haig  both served as Secretary of State Kissinger during Nixon's term and President Fords administration and Hiag during Reagans Presidency  until he made the statement  that he was in charge  when President Reagan was shot, and then was replaced by George Schultz.

These men have both taken the oath of office to  "protect and serve the United States"  not a President.  In keeping the lies of Nixon from Congress and the American people, they did not serve the United States, they served Nixon, in proof that  absolute power  corrupts.

I feel that General Haig  more than Dr Kissinger knows what the terms  "duty , honor and country" means, He was a graduate of Hudson High, known to most at West Point, he served on General MacArthur's staff in Tokyo as a Lieutenant after graduation. To allow another 4 star General to take the fall for a decision made by the President on the United States, was wrong, just plain immoral and illegal.

The Senate should repay the work of General Haig with the same punishment that he allowed General Lavelle and his family to suffer, they should vote to reduce him to a permanent rank of Major General and put it in the Congressional record why they did it.  His silence knowing that Nixon threw General Lavelle under the bus, so he could be re-elected in November 1972 is a crime as if Haig had done the actions himself.

Kissinger is no better, his security clearances, his position and abuse of power is legendary, but to allow a honorable officer who only did what the President told , (ordered) him to do, is reprehensible. Kissinger should be stripped of any government clearances he has to classified data, never allowed near the White House again as an advisor to any future Presidency.

Kissinger has done a lot of despicable things in his life  but as an Army Staff Sergeant  this action is about as low as any person who has ever served in the military can do, to allow a member of the military to take the blame for the actions of any "political" character is beneath "dog shit" in my book.

The United States Congress should make sure that General lavelle's widow is paid the difference in the lost retirement  that the General and his family was deprived of from 1972 to the present, quickly before she dies, the woman is now 92 years old. They owe it to him, his family needs to be made "whole" for the inability of those who knew the truth to tell the truth.

Being close to power does not mean  bend over and kiss their butts, if an elected official is doing something illegal   tell the truth,  the people of this nation will hold the right person accountable, why let someone else take the fall  for a politicians mistake?

I didn;t think much of Kissinger or Haig  before this, but it was due to their arrogance, to me this should me a crime, and they should be held accountable for not telling the truth in 1972, they owed it to us the citizens of the US, not Nixon, he fell in disgrace anyway, what did they gain by allowing General Lavelle and his family to take the fall  for Nixons mistake in bombing North Vietnam.

I hope Nixon, Haig and Kissinger all have to answer to the devil for their sorry azz lives, and all the people they harmed by living their lives as they did. If you  believe in the hereafter, then you can't believe they will go to the good place, if there is a heaven and hell, people like these deserve to be in hell.

just my 2 centss\

Originally posted to testvet6778 on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 10:43 AM PDT.


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  •  Al Haig was a world-class asshole. (8+ / 0-)

    Al Haig is dead; just sayin. Still a weasel, tho.

    Alexander Haig's crowning "achievement":
    In the aftermath of the horrific rape and murder of 4 American nuns by members of El Salvador's brutal American-supported military, this asshole stood in front of the press and disgustingly alleged that they had died in "an exchange of fire" at a Salvadoran roadblock.

    Think that one through for a minute. 4 American nuns, women of the cloth, are brutally raped and murdered by our military "allies", their bodies dumped in shallow graves. And Al Haig tries to imply that they had it coming, that these nuns were firing on a Salvadoran roadblock- so desperate was he to prop up the Salvadoran military and its death squads.

    A close second, of course, was Al Haig's absolutely false claim after Ronald Reagan's shooting that "I'm in", standing at a podium at the White House. Not only was this utterly false- Al Haig was nowhere in the chain of succession with Reagan incapacitated- but his obviously terrified, quavering speech frightened the shit out of everyone else in the world. I mean, if this idiot is in charge, how safe can all those nukes be?

  •  I must admit (6+ / 0-)

    that, even with my extremely low opinion of Nixon, the Nixon tapes about Lavelle (as played by Rachel Maddow last night) were really taking infuriating to a new level for me.

    They screwed this man, and they talked about him like somebody else had done it, and boy, was it a shame that he was taking such an unfair hit and 'being made the goat'. Boy. It's just too too bad that poor Mr. Nixon wasn't, oh, the President of the United States and the Commander in Chief of the armed forces or anything. Yeah. What a shame. Because then his hands wouldn't be tied.

    He could fix the injustice.

    But no.

    He was stuck.

    Poor powerless President of the United States.

    Nixon, America's sociopath.

    After the third time Nixon uttered another variation on "I wish we could do something to fix this injustice that happened before we were made aware of it" and Kissinger piped in with another variation on "yes, shame that it all went down before we knew anything, but it's too late now" I wanted to throw up.

    I hope this puts the breaks on the reformation of Nixon's reputation that was kind of going on in the wake of George W. Bush being such a awful President.

    "I guess Nixon wasn't so bad considering..." asides should be met with scorn.

    Bush and Nixon both sucked.

  •  When I saw this on Rachel Maddow (3+ / 0-)

    I was wondering about White House tape recordings - recording whatever took place in the President's office

    I know these recordings were used during Kennedy, Johnson & Nixon.  Does anyone know if the presidents Ford through Obama made (and is making) audio recordings of everything as well.

    After Watergate, I would not be surprised if recordings ended.

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    by nextstep on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 10:56:56 AM PDT

  •  Nixon gave orders, but let Lavelle... (5+ / 0-)

    be The Scapegoat for the Nixon Administration.  

    On Wednesday, President Barack Obama, acting on the advice of the Department of Defense, asked Congress to restore the rank and benefits of John Daniel Lavelle, an Air Force general...He was removed from his position and demoted to lieutenant general by Defense Secretary Melvin R. Laird.

    Now, newly declassified and released documents reveal that Lavelle was acting on the direct orders of the White House when he did what he did—a fact of which Laird was aware. The public representations made by President Nixon and Secretary of Defense Laird to the public and to Congress were lies designed to disguise White House orders to step up the bombing of the north while avoiding any negative repercussions to Nixon.

    Just more proof that Nixon and the members of his Administration were crooks and liars.

  •  I read his retirement pay was based (1+ / 0-)
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    on the 4 star rank due to law and regulations in place at that time.

    I don't belong to an organized party, I'm a democrat.

    by thestructureguy on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 11:52:45 AM PDT

    •  I hope for his families sake that is true (0+ / 0-)

      normally though  when you are reduced  in rank at retirement  it is  so they can reduce your retirement pay  on active duty they are limited to a specific level  but the retirement pay  for  O7  O8 O9 and O10

      are different  basically on active duty  Major generals  and Admirals  of similar ranks are at the max allowable for serving  officers  everything above that is just  perks and position  and power   but in retirement the different  levels come into play  O10s  don't see any reduction  in pay   when they retire   O9s a slight adjustment  O8  a little less and O7s  even a lighter retirement check

      I knew  a CSM  who was  my Battalion  CSM  in Korea  at Fort Lewis  he was first the Division CSM  then he was made the I Corp  CSM  I asked him why  he stayed  he was hoping he would get  CSM of the Army  it's all about power at that point   travel  and influence  the perks

      but the Lavelle family should not be out of a nickle because of these men's behavior  they were the dishonorable not General Lavelle

      •  I do know that at one point when you (1+ / 0-)
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        retired from active duty your pay was based on the highest grade you achieved and percentages could be different based on a number of factors.  I think they changed it a number of years back.  When my spouse retired people coming in would get the average of the last 3 years of their pay.  Who knows what it is now.  

        I don't belong to an organized party, I'm a democrat.

        by thestructureguy on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 12:08:59 PM PDT

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  •  ...not to mention Nixon's war strategy (1+ / 0-)
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    which was hideous. Maybe stupid, to boot.

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    by LNK on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 12:40:40 PM PDT

  •  Kissinger is the (1+ / 0-)
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    J. Edgar Hoover of foreign policy: absolute petty, self-serving scum.

    I am ideologically against the death penalty, but what I could imagine being done to Henry the K for his crimes? One death is not near enough for the likes of him--life really is not fair.

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    by FrankCornish on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 01:16:43 PM PDT

  •  Kissinger forged the foreign policy (1+ / 0-)
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    since the 50's.  One of the most influential diplomats and dipshit's of all time.

    Kissinger 1958

    I don't belong to an organized party, I'm a democrat.

    by thestructureguy on Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 01:41:30 PM PDT

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