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An irrational, or abnormal, fixation or preoccupation.

My hypothesis is that those who continue to obsess about not increasing the deficit in these extraordinary circumstances are likely to be victims of a personality disorder. I will call theis disorder Deficit Fetishism.

More specifically:

DSM-IV is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (see Wiki link below).

My question here is: Should Deficit Fetishism be considered in the next DSM IV Manual?

Deficit spending in general is seen by many as inflationary.  Now it would not be.  Some reasons:

a) Businesses are spending less

b) Banks are loaning less (witness their astronomically high excess reserves)  

b) Almost everyone else is afraid to spend or is spending less or is unable to spend to various extents, regardless of desire.

c) Prices remain low in any case due to massive cheap imports, e.g., from China.

Deficit Fetishism is my suggestion for a specific personality disorder as a subtype of Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Antisocial Personality Disorder


The symptoms of antisocial personality disorder include a longstanding pattern of disregard for the rights of others. Impulsiveness if often present, including angry outbursts, failure to consider consequences of behaviors...  

Some argue that a major component of this disorder is the reduced ability to feel empathy for other people.  This inability to see the hurts, concerns, and other feelings of people often results in a disregard for these aspects of human interaction.  Finally, irresponsible behavior often accompanies this disorder as well as a lack of remorse for wrongdoings.  


Treatment for this disorder is very rarely sought.  There is a limited amount of insight into the symptoms, and the negative consequences are often blamed on society.  In this sense, treatment options are limited.  Some research has found long term insight oriented therapy to be effective, but getting the individual to commit to this treatment is a major obstacle.


Prognosis is not very good because...a lack of insight into the disorder is very common. People with antisocial personality disorder typically see the world as having the problems, not him or herself, and therefore rarely seek treatment.  If progress is made, it is typically over an extended period of time.

Selective Deficit Obsession is my suggestion for a specific personality disorder as a subtype of Antisocial Personality Disorder.

This is evidence of the general Antisocial Personality Disorder, as illuminated by the symptoms of such, noted above, and I believe is supportive of my suggested sub-categorical disorder of Deficit Fetishism.

"I wouldn't do a major second stimulus because I think...we run a risk that it could be counterproductive in creating a lot of additional uncertainty and undermining confidence," Rubin said.

What confidence is there to undermine? Why would it undermine and not strengthen confidence?


How could we be more uncertain?  We are dealing with the collapse of the housing market, the stock market is now a crapshoot, unemployment reaching towards Great Depression numbers, the coming collapse of the commercial real estate market and the remifications of the oil dusaster.

How in the fuck can you get more uncertain than that?

I will quote this question as it was asked of him:

On the contrary we should and could be be FLOODING the whole fucking country with newly printed currency.  If one worries about the deficit at all, one may do so in normal times.  This can be done, e.g.,  by starting new public works/infrastructure programs, making unemployment comp an entitlement for the time being (years at least), more and bigger bailouts.


You'll never see the following two absolutely critical variables in ANY economic projection:

Ramifications of the oil disaster.

The coming commercial real estate meltdown.

"There is a commercial real estate crisis on the horizon, and there are no easy solutions to the risks commercial real estate may pose to the financial system and the public," says a report issued Thursday by the Congressional Oversight Panel, the bailout watchdog led by Harvard Law professor and middle-class advocate Elizabeth Warren.

Therefore all such economic projections are worthless. You think it's bad now?  Things are just getting started.

Extraordinary problems call for extraordinary measures.  This is an emergency, folks.

These "economists" are adhering to a fear of deficits and thus not increasing the money supply.

They exclude from consideration two crucial variables: The oil and commercial real estate issues.

Fetish? I don't know.  But it's either fraud or ignorance.

Originally posted to dov12348 on Mon Aug 09, 2010 at 06:28 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (0+ / 0-)

    No one will believe it's the Blues if you wear a suit, `less you happen to be an old person, and you slept in it.

    by dov12348 on Mon Aug 09, 2010 at 06:28:22 AM PDT

  •  stupid question (0+ / 0-)

    when you get rid off all other opinions by declaring them mentaly ill.
    it will be a lonely debate will it not.
    and for your unasked question to rubin.
    what do you thing whose confidence is undermined.
    it is the confidence of those stupid foreigners who finance your deficit when they buy treasurys.
    but never mind
    i just found out i am a person with a unsocial disorder called common sense (what did your granny told you about spending money )

  •  and on your helicopter bernanke idea (0+ / 0-)

    On the contrary we should and could be be FLOODING the whole fucking country with newly printed currency.

    is this so hard to understand, the more money in circulation to hunt limited amount of goods, the more the buying power of that money will go done or the price of the goods up.
    that is called inflation and it was never in history good for the regular people NEVER.

  •  You just want to slam people who disagree (0+ / 0-)

    I agree with Krugman, disagree with Rubin et al. But there are downsides to this that can raise legitimate concerns and should be discussed. Its still not a dictatorship, no matter what Bush/Cheney tried to do.
    But calling people fetishists who disagree with you is just kid stuff

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Mon Aug 09, 2010 at 07:08:41 AM PDT

  •  100 % agree kind of (0+ / 0-)

    Extraordinary problems call for extraordinary measures.  This is an emergency, folks

    but what are these problems
    in my view it is that the credit driven consumer economy of the USA is a thing of the past.
    you seem to sugest that all is needed is more consumtion (made in the USA for the USA of course)
    and so people and businesses just need more credit available.
    as i said i think we both see very difrent problems and there for difrent solutions.

    •  Not just consumption... (0+ / 0-)

      ...but production -- banks will have more money to lend, thus businesses get cheaper loans for new capital; so this gives jolts to supply and demand.

      I know what credit did.  But it's essential to get things moving again.  Plus new cash, probably by setting up public works programs and increasing bank cash.  Plus we could increase the bank reserve requirement to 100%.  Then banks will stop hoarding their money.

      I know there's a lot more to this but what choice do we have?

      No one will believe it's the Blues if you wear a suit, `less you happen to be an old person, and you slept in it.

      by dov12348 on Mon Aug 09, 2010 at 07:29:41 AM PDT

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  •  I appreciate all the above criticism so far. (1+ / 0-)
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    It got me to revamp my diary somewhat.

    No one will believe it's the Blues if you wear a suit, `less you happen to be an old person, and you slept in it.

    by dov12348 on Mon Aug 09, 2010 at 07:24:38 AM PDT

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