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ARRGH!

Damn it all to hell, Harry Reid!.

Why in the blue FUCK did you feel the need to cave to the Party of Lincoln Orly Taitz in coming out against the Cordoba Center in NYC?

For FUCK’S SAKE.

You just kowtowed to the wing of people who made "death panels" from a completely fictitious and utterly disdainful lie  into reality in the minds of some people, specifically senior citizens whom last year’s health care bill was actually designed to help.

When does this kind of bullshit end?

When will the goddamn Democratic Party learn to not only find a message and attempt to stick with it, but find a single piece of vertebrae that does not splinter like balsa wood under the slightest inkling of pressure from the biggest, loudest, most putrid and pontificating gasbags on the right side of the aisle?

When will someone who is not named Alan Grayson stand up and tell Republicans to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up because they are wrong? I don’t need to explain the Cordoba House controversy to anyone here because you are all well aware of it.

Most Democrats have either vacillated or remained completely silent about this issue. This should be a completely non-issue in a time of economic crisis not seen in generations.

The Party of the Republic is busy hammering away at cultural issues when people are hammering out resumes by the dozen because they can’t find work.

The GOBP is busy pushing to keep their corporate benefactors like BP and Wall Street on their high horses because – to quote Homer Simpson for a moment – Jesus/Allah/Buddha – knows that they won’t be able to maintain any electoral advantage without fat dirty bloody wads of cash.

The Party of Lincoln has much more akin to that of Strom Thurmond or Joseph McCarthy as they proudly, arrogantly, and with much gusto, bandy about as their central platforms the ideologies of racism, bigotry, and homophobia.

That's what they are running on! Not away from. ON! That's what they want people to care about, because their other "ideas" on things like the economy are morally, fiscally, and politically bankrupt with the rest of America.

Yet the Democratic Party and its apparent "leaders" like Harry Reid are either too afraid to stand up to them or are too content to let them continue. As a smart man said not quite 2 years ago:

ENOUGH!

Yeah this is a rant diary and I’m sorry for anyone who does not think it needs to be said, but it does. This isn’t about the President. This about showing some godforsaken leadership in a time where the American People sorely need it.

This isn’t about Muslims or Christians or Whites or Arabs or anything.

This country is hurting. The world is hurting. People are suffering, despondent, more and more destitute by the day, and we need help. Everyone needs help. And those who caused the disastrous climate need to be held accountable.

And what are our elected leaders doing? Bowing in fealty and submission to the almighty Right Wing Noise Machine.

I am fucking disgusted, and you should be too.

Originally posted to Progress in the 757 on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:11 PM PDT.

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  •  political expediency (4+ / 0-)
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    El Zmuenga, bmor, Sydserious, wabird

    thy name is the U.S. Congress and in this case the Democratic wing...what can we expect from people who have no principles?  It is an empty pragmatism devoid of anything but concern for re-election.

    We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

    by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:15:35 PM PDT

    •  Expediency and another thing. (1+ / 0-)
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      valadon

      That's right folks, when someone states an opinion it is... DRUMROLL... what they believe.

      These guys do what they do because that is what they want. No outcome is a surprise, all consequences are intended.

      Why are we still surprised?

    •  Reid simply listened when they put his family (0+ / 0-)

      in the hospital last year.

      Torture is for the weak. After all, it is just extended wheedling.

      by nargel on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:23:11 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  meaning what? (0+ / 0-)

        We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

        by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:25:28 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Meaning that Reid spent '06,'07 and '08 giving up (0+ / 0-)

          anything the Rethugs insisted on.  In '09 he grows a spine and sends a letter to the head Rethuglicans in the Senate saying that he is going to stand his ground.  The next day his family is in the hospital and "We don't have 60" became the mantra of the day.  I pointed this out at the time and was accused of being anti-Dem.  No, I simply pay attention to what happens and point things I notice out.

          Torture is for the weak. After all, it is just extended wheedling.

          by nargel on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 09:49:50 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Interesting Movie Trivia (0+ / 0-)
    Harry Reid is actually the politician with the moustache, played by Dick Smothers IIRC, in the movie Casino.
  •  I'm going to be changing my voting (2+ / 0-)
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    valadon, varii

    Registration from democrat to decline to state in the coming days. I can no longer in good conscience be a member of a party that as utterly failed to show any spine when it comes to what's preceived as tough issues. In the coming days if I'm not as depressed as I feel right now I may write a diary on why I've decided to leave the democratic party.

  •  Talk about taking us for granted (0+ / 0-)

    Reid knows he is running against a loon, and he thinks no matter what he says, he will get Democratic votes. He is running scared and trying to hold onto any votes he can, he thinks Democrats have no choice in this election in Nevada. Besides, he was always a wimp.

    •  the mosque is not popular (4+ / 0-)
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      Julie Gulden, tnproud2b, JL, leftykook

      regardless, and he's in a tough race. Don't ask for principles when it will cause you to lose to someone like Sharron Angle.

      People panic too much on this site.

      by thematt523 on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:21:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  LOL (6+ / 0-)

        we are worried about what's popular?  I guess the Constitution is no longer popular either.

        I live for the day when we quit excusing this sort of crap!

        We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

        by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:29:20 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  you will never find that day (0+ / 0-)

          if you want votes, you follow what the people want. And people don't want this mosque. Therefore, oppose the mosque. It's not always what YOU want.

          Why should Reid please Muslims that don't live in Nevada when he is trying to get votes of people who DO live in Nevada?

          People panic too much on this site.

          by thematt523 on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:31:32 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  judging by our politicians (2+ / 0-)
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            Vera Lofaro, Nespolo

            that's probably true. And I can no longer support it..but be my guest. Ever heard of tyranny of the majority?  Sometimes you do what's unpopular because it's right.

            We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

            by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:37:43 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  but why would Reid (0+ / 0-)

              support something that would hurt him? Just to please people who live in other states?

              People panic too much on this site.

              by thematt523 on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:48:02 PM PDT

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            •  Harry should have simply kept his mouth shut (4+ / 0-)

              He didn't have to endorse the mosque or condemn it, he should have followed Ben Franklin's wise advice and kept his mouth shut so we only wondered if he was a fool. Now we know.

            •  Sort of like the President did on Friday (0+ / 0-)

              he knew it was unpopular, but he spoke up for the Constitution anyway. Reid could have done that, it is a local issue and no politician has to side with either the Muslim community or those opposing the mosque. He is just pandering, and if he is called on it, it should serve him right. Let the idiot win and her stupidity will be on display for the entire world to see. She is not Scott Brown, she is just a not so good looking, less folksy Palin. Perhaps letting her win would serve as a win for all of us, it might just prove the point we are trying so hard to make about these tea baggers.

        •  Eh, wait, reread the article. (0+ / 0-)

          Well, I read the Politico and not the Talking Points Memo article, but there it said that he personally opposes the Mosque, but accepts that the Muslims have the First Amendment right to build it.

          And the Constitution doesn't forbid him to have his personal opinion on something like that, even though it's still wrong, it's a relatively un-controversial position that something like 2/3 of the public agree with, and so does the constitution.

          It's just wrong that he speaks out on it at all after Obama said something else. He should have kept his big mouth shut for once.

          Support Dennis McDonald and Montana Democrats in the 2010 election!

          by twohundertseventy on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:47:20 PM PDT

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          •  That's the same BS we heard (0+ / 0-)

            from Obama's "wisdom of the idea." Muslim people are not stupid they heard the dual message.

            We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

            by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 03:10:26 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I agree. I just thought that your comment was (1+ / 0-)
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              valadon

              saying that Reid was advocating for ignoring the First Amendment, and he's not.

              Support Dennis McDonald and Montana Democrats in the 2010 election!

              by twohundertseventy on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 03:21:10 PM PDT

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              •  what's happened (0+ / 0-)

                is that Muslims as well as those on the Right see the equivocation and it's not a pretty site because in effect they are telling Muslims okay you have a right, but we don't like it or you...that is how it will be perceived by American Muslims and Muslims around the world.  In other words our slip is showing again!

                They've served in our military, they died in the buildings on 911..how much more proof do we require of their citizenship?

                We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

                by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 03:31:49 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  see my post at the bottom of the page from (0+ / 0-)

                  Plum Line and the lotta good it did!

                  We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

                  by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 03:33:39 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

              •  Principles can apply to (0+ / 0-)

                standing up for what's right, not only what is legal.

                We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

                by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 03:34:48 PM PDT

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                •  Of course. Reid is everything but principled. (1+ / 0-)
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                  valadon

                  But, well, he's not saying anything unconstitutional which was pretty much my whole point. He's just pandering to the voters. Which isn't the right thing to do, and given his history of racial gaffes he might actually be a racist, but it's not illegal.

                  Support Dennis McDonald and Montana Democrats in the 2010 election!

                  by twohundertseventy on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 03:37:54 PM PDT

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                  •  yes but apparently (0+ / 0-)

                    it's also back-fired on him!

                    We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

                    by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 03:49:03 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  The jury is still out on that. (0+ / 0-)

                      I agree that it will probably backfire, but a couple of negative articles in online magazines don't mean yet that it has backfired, I want to see if he's dropping in the polls or if his fundraising collapses.

                      Support Dennis McDonald and Montana Democrats in the 2010 election!

                      by twohundertseventy on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 04:01:29 PM PDT

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                      •  I'll leave that to you then (0+ / 0-)

                        I have no such interest in his success or his demise. My issue is larger than Harry Reid!  ;)

                        We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

                        by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 05:12:53 PM PDT

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            •  I like Obama's "wisdom of the idea" (0+ / 0-)

              the President should not weigh in on either side, what he said on Friday was just right.

          •  How does that make what he said different than (0+ / 0-)

            Palin. I don't think a Senator should offer their personal opinion on this issue they are part of the "state".

        •  valadon, I am with you 100% (0+ / 0-)
      •  Thanks For The Policy Statement From The (1+ / 0-)
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        valadon

        "Real Left".

        250 is the new 180

        by kerplunk on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:31:54 PM PDT

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      •  It's NOT A MOSQUE, its a community center nt (4+ / 0-)
        •  whatever (0+ / 0-)

          it's not popular, and Reid shouldn't support something that should hurt him.

          People panic too much on this site.

          by thematt523 on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:48:38 PM PDT

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          •  ye gods! (2+ / 0-)
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            Vera Lofaro, valadon

            BREAKING: Ethics out! Venality in!

            It's just been reported that the Democratic Party no longer stands for anything other than grabbing and holding on to power. Stay tuned for further developments.

            •  yeah (0+ / 0-)

              Let's lose all our power over a small, insignificant, unpopular policy.

              How does this decision possibly hurt Harry Reid? It's not popular, and anyone who truly supports it is likely to vote for him anyway.

              And he didn't even come out against it; he just said it should be built somewhere else.

              People panic too much on this site.

              by thematt523 on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 03:06:36 PM PDT

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              •  frankly I think your attitude is sick (2+ / 0-)
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                El Zmuenga, valadon

                We, as Democrats, have a philosophy to which you apparently don't subscribe. You're willing to give away rights by calling a major issue, freedom of religion, a "small, insignificant, unpopular policy".

                If you were at dinner at my house and said that I'd kick you out.

                •  it's not Harry Reid's decision (0+ / 0-)

                  There are limits to how idealistic one can be when your career is teetering on a tightrope. So he took the popular position.

                  Remember, there are people in Nevada who don't think like you do. And Reid needs those votes if he wants to beat Angle.

                  If the Cordoba House were popular, and he still said no, that would be inexcusable to me. But it's not; therefore, Reid shouldn't have to support it.

                  People panic too much on this site.

                  by thematt523 on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 03:15:22 PM PDT

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              •   insignificant? (1+ / 0-)
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                Shahryar

                I don't think you know how this really sounds.

                We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

                by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 03:22:22 PM PDT

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  •  Harry Reid is a fucking idiot. (8+ / 0-)

    He is about as principled as John McCain.

    •  seriously (3+ / 0-)
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      Nespolo, RinaX, marigold

      disappointed with Reid on this. And not too long ago he was talking about how he wishes that Obama was more forceful or some such crap. Really, the problem has always been the Senate.

      "Don't bet against us" -President Barack Obama

      by moonpal on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:20:35 PM PDT

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      •  That's an understatement (1+ / 0-)
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        moonpal

        Really, the problem has always been the Senate.

        The same conservative Dems who were more than willing to compromise with Republicans while Bush was in the White House are still more than willing to align with them against this White House.  This actually isn't a rant as I am well aware of the reality of the type of voters who keep sending these Dems to congress.  It's just depressing reality.

        More than one thing at a time != Doing EVERYTHING at one time.

        by RinaX on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:42:34 PM PDT

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  •  Go click on stuff (0+ / 0-)

    Take this anger over to huffington post and elsewhere, click on their articles. write comments frantically and... oooh... look! new iPad cases... I might just need to pick me up one of those right after I finish my angry comment about.... oooh what's this? I can whiten my teeth with Acai Berry? I wonder if she's any relation to Halle Berry. I'll come back to my rant later...

  •  Harry Wanted To Make Sure He Wasn't Seen (3+ / 0-)
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    valadon, khereva, Nespolo

    as part of the Professional Left.

    •  yah and he has to go (1+ / 0-)
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      kerplunk

      so far Right to do so!  

      We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

      by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:26:38 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  so now Obama is part of the PL (1+ / 0-)
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      RinaX

      cause huffpost has a front page "hair on fire" post about how Reid is parting from Obama in this. Seems like that place can't keep a thought. Before Reid said anything, Obama was supposedly backtracking now Reid's comments are somehow different from Obama.

      "Don't bet against us" -President Barack Obama

      by moonpal on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:42:33 PM PDT

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  •  god I thought spine flu died with 2009. (0+ / 0-)

    guess I was wrong. WTG harry. Just keep your mouth clamped next time. Ugh.

    You're watching Fox News. OH MY GOD--LOOK OUT BEHIND YOU

    by rexymeteorite on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:25:56 PM PDT

  •  Profiles in Courage... (1+ / 0-)
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    Voodoo king

    is a book in which Harry Reid's name will never appear.  Boo.

    President Barack Obama; I helped make this happen!

    by PittsburghPete on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:29:09 PM PDT

  •  I think I prefer Harry win re-election (3+ / 0-)
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    Julie Gulden, moonpal, FiredUpInCA

    ...rather than in a pointless pie-fight with the right-wing douchebags.

    We know what he thinks about religious freedom.

    Ya wanna call that spineless or whatever, fine, I call it "Pick yer battle"

    Think I'll go send him ten bucks....

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:30:59 PM PDT

    •  oh I've heard that before (3+ / 0-)
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      khereva, Nespolo, Shahryar

      the thing is we never end up standing for anything!

      All you do is placate a certain political group temporarily and once they get a taste for it, they keep doing it...and it becomes a spineless, vicious cycle.

      We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

      by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:34:37 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Obviously (0+ / 0-)

        ..you think the vote count in the Senate is insignificant.

        "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

        by leftykook on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 05:40:56 PM PDT

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      •  Bullshit (0+ / 0-)

        the thing is we never end up standing for anything

        Harry Reid has no control over what happens in New York

        Right-Wing idiots have a lot of sway over Nevada politics

        Nothing that Harry Reid says about this issue changes ANYTHING in New York

        Anything Harry Reid says in Nevada become fuel for ridiculous bullshit from right wing idiots

        Alla you people screaming about this are FELLOW TRAVELERS with SHARRON FUCKING ANGLE!

        "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

        by leftykook on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 06:01:21 PM PDT

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    •  I'd rather see Harry lose. Badly. (1+ / 0-)
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      valadon

      And I don't care to whom.

      After watching what he did with the majority he was handed, I don't think he belongs in any office.

      But you go ahead and sponsor religious bigotry and pat yourself on the back for it.

      neca politicos omnes; deus suos agnoscet.

      by khereva on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:37:26 PM PDT

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      •  well you know Khervera (2+ / 0-)
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        khereva, Shahryar

        we shouldn't care about those...you know.... muslims who don't live in OUR district!  Winning is everything.

        I wonder if some substituted Blacks, or Hispanics or Christians or another group if they'd think we should not be principled? Just pathetic.

        We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

        by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:44:24 PM PDT

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      •  I'd rather have Schumer as Majority Leader (0+ / 0-)

        Angle would just be a freakshow.  As if that distinquishes her from the other GOP senators.

      •  What an IDIOTIC thing to say! (0+ / 0-)

        The "Purity Trolling" on this issue is making me wanna vomit!

        This whole thread is filled with deranged people asserting that it's better that Harry Reid lose his election than hold his seat, over a manufactured bunch of right-wing bullshit

        I swear you people won't be happy until we need AK 47's to defend ourselves from the lunatic right-wing takeover.

        "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

        by leftykook on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 05:35:45 PM PDT

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      •  So you don't give a fuck (0+ / 0-)

        who controls the Senate after the November election!

        "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

        by leftykook on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 06:08:15 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Not at all true. (0+ / 0-)

          I have no interest in Harry's doing so, nor in his being anywhere near any elected office, again.

          neca politicos omnes; deus suos agnoscet.

          by khereva on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 11:49:46 AM PDT

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          •  Right. So you DON'T care if Angle wins (0+ / 0-)

            There's two choices here, support the Democratic Party or the Bat-Shit Crazy Party

            Your assertions of Harry's unfitness are meaningless, the NEVADA electorate gets to pick Nevada's next Senator, and the choice is between Reid and Angle.

            Purity insistence with regard to this idiotic nontroversy will cost the entire Democratic Party an important seat.

            if you want to do something about Harry Reid, starty agitating for him to be voted out of his majority leader job.  AFTER he get re-elected, and we keep the seat.

            "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

            by leftykook on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 01:22:43 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  And that will happen... never. (0+ / 0-)

              The spineless scum in Washington will never vote Harry out, and you can enjoy his uselessness in perpetuity.

              I would prefer Angle winning, solely to drive Harry out.

              I don't support a useless ass simply because it has a D after its name.

              As for majority, having watched this party piss away the one we gave it, it's likewise useless.

              neca politicos omnes; deus suos agnoscet.

              by khereva on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:37:22 PM PDT

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  •  understandable (1+ / 0-)
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    leftykook

    If he supported it the ads would show planes flying into the twin towers saying Reid supports terrorists.
    He took a weapon away from Angle. If things are as bad as they say in november he will need every vote he can muster.

  •  I've seen bigger (2+ / 0-)
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    Dump Terry McAuliffe, kerplunk

    balls than Harry Reid's in a bowl of blueberries.  

    Sacrifice every principle (and principal) for a win?

    Jesus H. Tort-Reforming Christ.

    And he dares call himself "Leader"?

    Our promises are made in proportion to our hopes, but kept in proportion to our fears.-LaRouchefoucauld

    by luvsathoroughbred on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:35:15 PM PDT

  •  Crass political calculation, I suspect (1+ / 0-)
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    Mariken

    Reid is in a fight for re-election. He knows what the polls in his state say about the views of the public on this issue, and he is saying what he thinks is the view of the majority of his constituents. He figures those on the left have no choice but to vote for him, and he wasn't willing to give Angle and the Republicans an issue to use against him politically and push more moderate Republicans or independents toward Angle.  Besides, it gives him a chance to distance himself from Obama which, in a state where Obama doesn't have great job approval numbers, he sees as a political plus.

    This is simply a political move, not a statement of principle, I suspect.  

    Caveat: I make no representations about the propriety of a politician taking a stance that is purely for political gain rather than stance based on principle.  

  •  The call to white unity is a powerful force. (2+ / 0-)
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    valadon, Shahryar

    And white folks' will to resist it is, on average, weak.

    (shrug) Same as ever, in America.

    I'm gonna go eat a steak. And fuck my wife. And pray to GOD - hatemailapalooza, 052210

    by punditician on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:37:37 PM PDT

  •  Harry Reid has balls.... (0+ / 0-)

    Sometimes in life it's more advantageous to acquiesce than to insist? The builders should have politely withdrawn their application once they saw that the planned Mosque was becoming controversial.

    Putting salt on wounds does not heal them, the onus should be on the owners of the Mosques to take the lead on this issue and cancel the project, it is plainly divisive.

    Harry Reid should be commended for having the balls to say what he did.

    •  ... (6+ / 0-)

      So much for religious freedom, huh? Because it's hard?

    •  You're right (1+ / 0-)
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      Those Jews in 1920s and 1930s Germany should have politely withdrawn their presence in the country once it was becoming controversial too. Because, you know, don't want to rock the religious boat and all.

      •  This has nothing to do with that...... (0+ / 0-)

        This is a divisive issue and one that can be solved through reason.

        •  no they are irrational (0+ / 0-)

          you don't solve problems with irrational people. You point out the irrationality and disgusting behavior.

          We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

          by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:54:27 PM PDT

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        •  It has all to do with that (4+ / 0-)
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          This is about religious freedom. Who gives a fuck if its divisive. Lynching African Americans was divisive. And in division like this there is a side that is right  and there is a side that is wrong. The side that is right must fight with all that they have because the side that is wrong are truly horrible people who wish to nullify over people's rights and belittle them into second class citizens. There is no appeasement, there is no turning a blind eye to the wrong side, or else you get things like Nazi Germany, the KKK, etc.

          •  What a load of shoitzer.... (0+ / 0-)

            Where are the Muslims being denied the right to worship? the Mosque has been given the green light to be built, give me a break.

            •  One step at a time (0+ / 0-)

              First you take away their right to build a mosque when everything has been green-lighted, and then you take away their right to build simply build mosques, and so on and so on.

              •  Yes but I can't believe why... (0+ / 0-)

                In this case, the builders should be encouraged to show a bit more sensitivity.

                There are Mosques in New York, I think over 40 of them? so their right to worship or to build Mosques is not denied, as shown by the application approval of this particular Mosque.

                In my opinion, in this case, it is "they " who should be conscious of the sensitivities of a lot of people who are genuinely hurt and offended by this.

                This is my view, If it gets built then so be it, but all I'm saying is, this is a tad insensitive to many, we are quick to acknowledge the sensitivities of other cultures by accommodating, in this case, and in my view, it is their turn to show the same politeness and sensitivity.

                •  Would it be insensitive (0+ / 0-)

                  If a church was built there? If a synagogue was built there? If a vihara was built there? If isn't, did under the blind eye of secularism, it isn't insensitive to build a mosque there.

      •  We might have a few "good Germans" (3+ / 0-)
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        here...it's the same mentality. You ignore what appears to be innocuous events in the interest of some political aim. What harm could it possibly do?  

        We will keep getting push back on this issue..we know the fascist Right intends to make this an issue come November..So we either stand up as Americans and say what's right or they win! Whatever happened to political courage?

        We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

        by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:53:27 PM PDT

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  •  What? Harry caves in, shows cowardice in a fight? (1+ / 0-)
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    HOLY PENIS WHAT A SCOOP.

    neca politicos omnes; deus suos agnoscet.

    by khereva on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:39:07 PM PDT

  •  Hey, that's not very nice! (0+ / 0-)

    He has a rare genetic disease where the person is born with a backbone. He struggles everyday. Do you know how hard it is to run from your base without a spine? It's fucking difficult!

  •  when it comes to Muslims - Reid, Weiner, Schumer (0+ / 0-)

    can take leave of common sense ... wish it weren't so, but ...

    •  well that gets us to certain groups (1+ / 0-)
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      who support them financially in terms of contributions and whom they can never say no to...

      We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

      by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:57:39 PM PDT

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  •  FU Democrats (1+ / 0-)
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    for catering to the worst xenophobia.

    Are these the leaders of this progressive blog's favorite party? What a load of crap.

    Why isn't this considered an outrage here at DKos, instead of a trailing off diary?

    Harry Reid step down!

    War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

    by Valtin on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 03:14:38 PM PDT

  •  okay read this from Plum Line: (0+ / 0-)

    I rest my case:

    * Sharron Angle responds on Twitter to Harry Reid's opposition to the Islamic center near Ground Zero:

    Nice of you to join us, @HarryReid.
    In other words, all coming out against the project accomplished was to allow Angle and Republicans to claim -- rightly -- that they're setting the agenda and that Reid only took his position in response to her criticism.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/...

    Got it Democrats??????

    We either transcend the corporate-managed profits system or we descend ever further into barbarism, totalitarianism, and ecological ruin-Paul Street

    by valadon on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 03:16:42 PM PDT

  •  healthcare (0+ / 0-)

    Thats why we liberals didnt get the public option because of people like harry reed no spine DEMOCRATS dont have the spine to stand together like the Rethugs do from talk radio and fox and big guys

  •  being a white southern male (0+ / 0-)

    apparently sets limits

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