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Reuven Moskovitz, an 82-year-old passenger who survived the Nazi Holocaust, told AFP he felt duty-bound to attempt the voyage in the small blue and white sailing boat, a trip expected to take around 36 hours.

"It is a sacred duty for me, as a survivor, to protest against the persecution, the oppression and the imprisonment of so many people in Gaza, including more than 800,000 children," Moskovitz said. -AFP

Another boat, named "Irene" is on the way to Gaza. This boat carrying Jewish activists from the US and around the world.

Why is it that, just months after the murderous slaughter that the Israeli Military greeted the last flotilla (See Heathlander's  diary), that again people are willing to take such risks?

"Remember the solidarity shown to Palestine here and everywhere... and remember also that there is a cause to which many people have committed themselves, difficulties and terrible obstacles notwithstanding. Why? Because it is a just cause, a noble ideal, a moral quest for equality and human rights."
--Edward Said

Richard Kuper, a member of the organising group, said "the Jewish Boat to Gaza is a symbolic act of protest against the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories and the siege of Gaza, and a message of solidarity to Palestinians and Israelis who seek peace and justice.

"Israeli government policies are not supported by all Jews," Kuper said.

Activist Rami Elhanan, who is also on board, said: "We are banging our head on a very hard wall of hatred. Our hope is to make little cracks on that wall, so that in the end it will fall.

"Whatever happens, the worst thing has already happened to me, I am not afraid of what is coming next," added Elhanan, who lost his daughter in a 1997 suicide bombing. AFP

Press Release from Jewish Boat to Gaza website:

At crisis point in peace talks, Jews, Israelis call to lift the siege on Gaza, end the occupation.

A boat carrying aid for Gaza’s population and organized by Jewish groups worldwide has set sail from Cyprus today at 13:32 local time

The boat, Irene, is sailing under a British flag and is carrying ten passengers and crew, including Jews from the US, the UK, Germany and Israel as well as an Israeli journalist.

The boat’s cargo includes symbolic aid in the form of children’s toys and musical instruments, textbooks, fishing nets for Gaza’s fishing communities and prosthetic limbs for orthopaedic medical care in Gaza’s hospitals.

The receiving organization in Gaza is The Palestinian International Campaign to end the siege on Gaza, directed by  Dr. Eyad Sarraj and Amjad Shawa, Director of PNGO

The boat will attempt to reach the coast of Gaza and unload its aid cargo in a nonviolent, symbolic act of solidarity and protest – and call for the siege to be lifted to enable free passage of goods and people to and from the Gaza Strip.

The boat will fly multicolored peace flags carrying the names of dozens of Jews who have expressed their support for this action, as a symbol of the widespread support for the boat by Jews worldwide.

Speaking from London, a member of the organizing group, Richard Kuper of Jews for Justice for Palestinians, said today that the Jewish Boat to Gaza is a symbolic act of protest against the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories and the siege of Gaza, and a message of solidarity to Palestinians and Israelis who seek peace and justice.

‘Israeli government policies are not supported by all Jews,’ said Kuper. ‘We call on all governments and people around the world to speak and act against the occupation and the siege.’

Regarding the threat of interception by the Israeli navy, Kuper said ‘This is a nonviolent action. We aim to reach Gaza, but our activists will not engage in any physical confrontation and will therefore not present the Israelis with any reason or excuse to use physical force or assault them.’

Passenger Reuven Moskovitz, 82, said that his life’s mission has been to turn foes into friends. "We are two peoples, but we have one future", he said.

It is clear that they have a larger agenda beyond getting the aid they are carrying into Gaza. They want freedom, they want justice, and they want peace.

This has always been for many of the millions of people who support Palestinian rights about justice, about doing the right thing. It certainly is not about doing the most convenient thing, the most expedient thing. It is about understanding that your future is intertwined with the future of others, that unless others are free you are not free.

Meanwhile, in other news from Gaza:

A fisherman has been shot and killed by the Israeli navy off the northern coast of the Gaza Strip, doctors in the territory say.

Israeli officials say the boat had strayed beyond the limit to which Palestinians are allowed to fish under the Israeli blockade.

However, they say a warning shot was fired first. (well then, that makes a difference! -tom)

Israel says the naval blockade is necessary to stop weapons being smuggled to militants within Gaza.

But the restrictions make life very difficult for Gaza's fishermen...BBC

The fishing industry, like nearly every other industry in Gaza, has been effectively destroyed by Israel's illegal military siege on Gaza. This must be part of Israel's "diet plan" for Gaza.

I hope the Irene had a good night.  May they arrive safe and be able to rejoice with their brothers and sisters in Gaza.

Last thoughts:

"Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being." ~ Khalil Gibran

you can follow the progress of the boat on twitter:
https://twitter.com/...

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  •  I saw this news and at first didn't recognize the (18+ / 0-)

    significance.  This is quite an undertaking by them, bless them.  
    Of course, the question has to be asked, will they be allowed to land and if not, what will happen.  

    The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism.

    by BigAlinWashSt on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 07:11:59 PM PDT

  •  I have two thoughts. (3+ / 0-)
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    First, there have been too many incidents with Palestinians fishermen. I would like to know why 3 miles was chosen and why so many people continue to die. Can the blockade be secured with a different limit? Is the line clear? You don't get much more Team I than me, but I'd like more information on this issue.

    Second, I take it as a good sign that there have been so many repetitive anti-Israel diaries today. This is the second Jewish flotilla diary today and earlier we had our third UNHCR propaganda report diary.

    Disclaimer: The contents of this comment are just my opinion.

    by psychodrew on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 07:19:42 PM PDT

  •  Good Night Irene... (12+ / 0-)

    okay, i know this is off-topic, but anytime i hear the name Irene (as in the name of the boat) i think of this song... and, there is a teeny tie-in with the story. I have, on a few occasions, ran into Ronni Gilbert of the Weavers in Berkeley. Ronni is also a strong supporter of justice for Palestinians, as a member of Jewish Voice for Peace.

    Free Bradley Manning!

    by Tom J on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 07:40:33 PM PDT

  •  I thought the blockade was already (0+ / 0-)

    lessened and all sorts of food, medicine, etc are now getting through?

    •  words have changed, but the reality of life (12+ / 0-)

      for the people of Gaza have not. they remain under an illegal military blockade, that prevents a normal economic life. Some aid is allowed, but it is an injustice to condemn the people of Gaza to live on just hand outs. They are not allowed normal trade, they are not allowed to rebuild (severely restricted), they are not allowed many things.

      many also believed there was a freeze on settlement building in the West Bank, too.
      never was.

      Free Bradley Manning!

      by Tom J on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 07:57:08 PM PDT

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      •  I trust President Obama. (0+ / 0-)

        He wants nothing but the best for the Palestinian people.  He is a true hero and I'm glad we can all unite behind his leadership to bring justice to everyone!

        •  Please show me how Obama has shown even (17+ / 0-)

          one iota of compassion for the Palestinians of Gaza.  

          [H]uman history is a history not only of cruelty, but also of compassion, sacrifice, courage, kindness. H. Zinn

          by soysauce on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 08:15:44 PM PDT

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          •  By opposing Hamas! (2+ / 0-)
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          •  Here is another how -- last Thursday (2+ / 0-)
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            Last year, I pledged my best efforts to support the goal of two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security, as part of a comprehensive peace between Israel and all of its neighbors.  We have travelled a winding road over the last 12 months, with few peaks and many valleys.  But this month, I am pleased that we have pursued direct negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians in Washington, Sharm el Sheikh and Jerusalem.

            Now I recognize many are pessimistic about this process.  The cynics say that Israelis and Palestinians are too distrustful of each other, and too divided internally, to forge lasting peace.  Rejectionists on both sides will try to disrupt the process, with bitter words and with bombs and with gunfire.  Some say that the gaps between the parties are too big; the potential for talks to break down is too great; and that after decades of failure, peace is simply not possible.

            I hear those voices of skepticism.  But I ask you to consider the alternative.  If an agreement is not reached, Palestinians will never know the pride and dignity that comes with their own state.  Israelis will never know the certainty and security that comes with sovereign and stable neighbors who are committed to coexistence.  The hard realities of demography will take hold.  More blood will be shed.  This Holy Land will remain a symbol of our differences, instead of our common humanity.

            I refuse to accept that future.  And we all have a choice to make.  Each of us must choose the path of peace.  Of course, that responsibility begins with the parties themselves, who must answer the call of history.  Earlier this month at the White House, I was struck by the words of both the Israeli and Palestinian leaders.  Prime Minister Netanyahu said, "I came here today to find a historic compromise that will enable both people to live in peace, security, and dignity."  And President Abbas said, "We will spare no effort and we will work diligently and tirelessly to ensure these negotiations achieve their cause."

            These words must now be followed by action and I believe that both leaders have the courage to do so.  But the road that they have to travel is exceedingly difficult, which is why I call upon Israelis and Palestinians -- and the world -- to rally behind the goal that these leaders now share.  We know that there will be tests along the way and that one test is fast approaching.  Israel’s settlement moratorium has made a difference on the ground and improved the atmosphere for talks.

            And our position on this issue is well known.  We believe that the moratorium should be extended.  We also believe that talks should press on until completed.  Now is the time for the parties to help each other overcome this obstacle.  Now is the time to build the trust -- and provide the time -- for substantial progress to be made.  Now is the time for this opportunity to be seized, so that it does not slip away.

            Now, peace must be made by Israelis and Palestinians, but each of us has a responsibility to do our part as well.  Those of us who are friends of Israel must understand that true security for the Jewish state requires an independent Palestine -- one that allows the Palestinian people to live with dignity and opportunity.  And those of us who are friends of the Palestinians must understand that the rights of the Palestinian people will be won only through peaceful means -- including genuine reconciliation with a secure Israel.

            I know many in this hall count themselves as friends of the Palestinians.  But these pledges of friendship must now be supported by deeds.  Those who have signed on to the Arab Peace Initiative should seize this opportunity to make it real by taking tangible steps towards the normalization that it promises Israel.

            And those who speak on behalf of Palestinian self-government should help the Palestinian Authority politically and financially, and in doing so help the Palestinians build the institutions of their state.

            Those who long to see an independent Palestine must also stop trying to tear down Israel.  After thousands of years, Jews and Arabs are not strangers in a strange land.  After 60 years in the community of nations, Israel’s existence must not be a subject for debate.

            Israel is a sovereign state, and the historic homeland of the Jewish people.  It should be clear to all that efforts to chip away at Israel’s legitimacy will only be met by the unshakeable opposition of the United States.  And efforts to threaten or kill Israelis will do nothing to help the Palestinian people.  The slaughter of innocent Israelis is not resistance -- it’s injustice.  And make no mistake:  The courage of a man like President Abbas, who stands up for his people in front of the world under very difficult circumstances, is far greater than those who fire rockets at innocent women and children.

            The conflict between Israelis and Arabs is as old as this institution.  And we can come back here next year, as we have for the last 60 years, and make long speeches about it.  We can read familiar lists of grievances.  We can table the same resolutions.  We can further empower the forces of rejectionism and hate.  And we can waste more time by carrying forward an argument that will not help a single Israeli or Palestinian child achieve a better life.  We can do that.

            Or, we can say that this time will be different -- that this time we will not let terror, or turbulence, or posturing, or petty politics stand in the way.  This time, we will think not of ourselves, but of the young girl in Gaza who wants to have no ceiling on her dreams, or the young boy in Sderot who wants to sleep without the nightmare of rocket fire.

            This time, we should draw upon the teachings of tolerance that lie at the heart of three great religions that see Jerusalem’s soil as sacred.  This time we should reach for what’s best within ourselves.  If we do, when we come back here next year, we can have an agreement that will lead to a new member of the United Nations -- an independent, sovereign state of Palestine, living in peace with Israel.  (Applause.)

            http://www.whitehouse.gov/...

          •  By supporting Israel. (1+ / 0-)
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            By supporting those on the high ground of the moral debate, President Obama is showing Palestinians what they need to do to gain statehood.

  •  Thanks for this diary. (22+ / 0-)

    The launch was noted in the mainstream media.  What will Israel do with these brave souls?

    Also I appreciate your Edward Said quote.  He died seven years ago yesterday and the world is intellectually and morally poorer for his absence.

    [H]uman history is a history not only of cruelty, but also of compassion, sacrifice, courage, kindness. H. Zinn

    by soysauce on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 08:14:08 PM PDT

  •  Are they webcasting or communicating their posit (2+ / 0-)
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    monitor developments.

    Having watched the attack on the flotilla online I never bought the Israeli propoganda.

  •  Just don't work w Palestine Solidarity Group -FBI (3+ / 0-)
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    might come knocking. How is what they are doing any different from hundreds of other support groups?

    the Palestine Solidarity Group website

  •  Website that followed the last flotilla is (2+ / 0-)
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    Witnessgaza

    I don't see the same level of preparation for the flotilla so the coverage I am assuming will be less.

  •  Milliband mum supports group (4+ / 0-)
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    UK Labor chief's mom backs Jewish anti-blockade group
    By GIL SHEFLER  
    09/26/2010 19:22

    Group behind boat supported by Miliband's mother, other prominent British Jews, uses Rabbi Hillel quote as political slogan.

    Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

    by Eiron on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 06:38:48 AM PDT

  •  I got $10 bucks that says (3+ / 0-)
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    the IDF won't drop commandos onto the deck of that ship who will be firing live ammo at anybody they see - like they did on the Mavi.  Something tells me that they're going to treat these people a little differently and not kill a whole bunch of them.

    Any takers?

    Sorry I couldn't take your call. I'm using my cell phone to make pancakes. Please leave a message.

    by Celtic Merlin on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 06:42:54 AM PDT

    •  The boat is small enough (1+ / 0-)
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      to use prop disabling netting.   The M/V Marmara was too large for that.  

      Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

      by Eiron on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 06:54:58 AM PDT

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    •  I got $ 20 bucks says they won't have to (2+ / 0-)
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      and the boat ends up peacefully in Ashdod. Hell make it $ 50.00

      Please Note: The contents of this comment are only my opinion

      by volleyboy1 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:04:40 PM PDT

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      •  "peacefully" at Ashdod... except that (2+ / 0-)

        the people are going to Gaza, the only way it will get to Ashdod is if the Israeli military hijacks the boat.

        and that cannot be peaceful. even if no blood is shed, it will not in anyway be peaceful, as regular people define the term.

        Free Bradley Manning!

        by Tom J on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:13:03 PM PDT

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        •  I disagree... (3+ / 0-)
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          I would term it peaceful if the boat turns away and goes into port or the boat is towed with minor disabling. I call that peaceful. It may not be what you want to happen but my bet is that is what happens.  

          Please Note: The contents of this comment are only my opinion

          by volleyboy1 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:17:50 PM PDT

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          •  lol. and that is your view of (2+ / 0-)

            "peaceful". i'm sitting in a public place and this is embarrassing.

            what should happen, what i want to happen is for them to complete a peaceful and joyous journey to Gaza.

            Free Bradley Manning!

            by Tom J on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:31:12 PM PDT

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            •  What I want to happen is that they have a (2+ / 0-)
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              peaceful journey to Ashdod and the crew of the Irene delivers their cargo x 3 (Co-opting Paul's idea) through an Israeli entry after inspection.

              How is my response to you "embarrassing". Don't be embarrased by your definition Tom... It's ok. I just don't agree with it.

              Oh wait..  you are embarrased for me. Well, thank you for the sympathy but, I can survive the blow. Let that though comfort you. But hey thanks for the concern.

              Please Note: The contents of this comment are only my opinion

              by volleyboy1 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:36:21 PM PDT

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              •  i hope the crew is not hijacked (3+ / 0-)

                and that is where we have a disagreement.

                Free Bradley Manning!

                by Tom J on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:34:10 PM PDT

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              •  You can either have an occupation (7+ / 0-)

                or an end to an occupation.

                If the occupation of Gaza is over, then Israel has no more right to search the Irene than Mexico has the right to search and inspect a ship on the way to Texas.

                If you want it your way, then it is a continuation of the occupation, which of course, never ended, in Gaza or elsewhere in Palestine.

                "I have no emotional obligation to [a] militarist & politically aggressive nation-state which asks for my solidarity on racial grounds" E. Hobsbawm

                by jon the antizionist jew on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 10:58:47 PM PDT

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                •  for most people, "peaceful" is not what happens (3+ / 0-)

                  has nothing to do with complying with orders at the point of a gun

                  Free Bradley Manning!

                  by Tom J on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 11:02:25 PM PDT

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                •  No Jon that is simply not true (1+ / 0-)
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                  Israel has a right to defend itself and it's citizens. Since Hamas has declared "resistance" Israel is under no pbligation to allow weapons to reach Gaza Port. I wouldn't if I were there and leading the country.

                  Now if you read my post below I agree with CM in that stopping the boat at sea is reasonable if it has no weapons I fully believe it should be allowed to continue on. I think the humanitarian blockade is wrong.

                  That is not occupation that is protection. States have a right to do that. Could Gaza do that to Israel? They could try. Would I support that - of course not. Why? Why would I support a theocratic State blockading another state.

                  BTW, here is something you might find interesting... I do believe if the Israelis annex the West Bank they should get all the benefits of a one state solution - equal rights for all and they should annex Gaza as well and give them full rights as well.

                  If they are going to destroy the idea of Israel they may as well do it peacefully.

                  Please Note: The contents of this comment are only my opinion

                  by volleyboy1 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 11:09:57 PM PDT

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                  •  Volley, I know what I say (8+ / 0-)

                    and it's not that complex, and you cannot use hypothical security arguments to get around it; isn't that what the 'right-wing' Zionists do?

                    Israel, as a settler colonial state, is caught in quite a predicament. On the one hand, in order to colonize the majority of Palestine, it needed to, and still needs to ethnically cleanse the native Palestinian inhabitants in order to make way for new Jewish immigration. This was done in 1948 and onwards, thus expelling 800,000 Palestinians, but after that, further military conquests failed to remove the remaining Palestinians, who learned from 1948 that when you leave, you are not allowed back.

                    So, the Palestinian other, against all odds, has remained; the millions under occupation, the million in Israel that were not expelled in 1948, and the millions more in the cities, refugee camps and other places in the world. Since Israel could not effectively 'get rid of' the Palestinian presence, in Palestine and the world, the other option has been to control Palestinians; by occupation, by repressive state control within Israel, and by continued denial of the Palestinian disapora and its right to return.

                    Gaza, so far seems to be a particularly difficult conundrum for Israel, as it has, to some extent, achieved a separation from Israel the West Bank has not; there are no settlers and no overt forms of internal control by Israel. That said, they exist under a brutal blockade, which is a pretty overt war crime, and horrific violence from time to time of course. But that said, Israel cannot take over Gaza, nor can they ignore it, for Gazans, like Palestinians ad a whole, have over 60 years of grievances to bear; dispossession, violence, the list goes on. And deep down, I'd say that many Israelis know this; they know that a wrong was done, but this knowledge has been denied so deeply, so thoroughly, that, for example, any such whisperings of 'security' can calm their bad consciences.

                    So spare me your useless posturing, especially your 'beneficent' offer of annexation; you are on record here as supporting Israel as a Jewish state, which by definition means there can be no 'equal rights.'

                    The occupation is the most visible aspect of a larger problem, which stems from Israel's settler-colonial past and present; in order to overcome it, the distinction between settler and native must be overcome. Are you prepared for that? Is Zionism? Seems not.

                    "I have no emotional obligation to [a] militarist & politically aggressive nation-state which asks for my solidarity on racial grounds" E. Hobsbawm

                    by jon the antizionist jew on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 12:51:20 AM PDT

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                    •  Hey Jon... I am not making any (1+ / 0-)
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                      beneficient offers to you. I am pissed about what is happening but I am not your friend.

                      I support Israel as the National State and homeland of the Jewish people. I think other peoples can live there as well - find any comment I have ever made where I say they can't. Don't bother btw, you won't. I also believe that outside of Hoq Ha Shvut (in a Two-State Solution) all rights should be equal.  

                      In the case of the West Bank.. if the settlers cause annexation, then I support all the things that come with that. Equal rights, Right of Return, everything. You know why? It is not some offer to you, honestly I give a rats ass what you think - it is because the in that case the Israeli polity has decided that they don't care about a Jewish State by their actions. They don't care about the end result of all the trouble they cause.

                      By annexing the territories (and presumably Gaza), they deny the Palestinians a State. How can I support a State for Jews and deny one to the Palestinians? I can't. So really Jon, for me it is about the right thing - which to me is Two States.

                      So yeah, I am on record here, there, and everywhere as a Zionist and worse yet Jon I am a Liberal/Progressive Zionist. I don't deny it, I am proud of it. I don't want to be your buddy Jon, but, I will offer to live in Peace with you like it or not.

                      Please Note: The contents of this comment are only my opinion

                      by volleyboy1 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 09:13:53 AM PDT

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                      •  rather diverting don't you think? (2+ / 0-)
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                        but I am not your friend.....I don't want to be your buddy Jon

                        and this is relevant how?

                        if the settlers cause annexation, then I support all the things that come with that. Equal rights, Right of Return, everything.

                        and what if they don't? what if it looks like this only worse in 20 more years? 40 years. do you have a window of for how long you support Israel as the National State and homeland of the Jewish people while all this occupation and blockade is going on for the alleged sake of israel's security?

                        or maybe it won't be the settlers fault if israel annexes WB (according to israel), maybe it will be hamas(according to israel). how long will your support last while others live w/no rights? offers of living with jon in peace do not count for that much around here since we already live in relative peace here in the US. we both have equal rights regardless of whether we're zionsts or not.

                        this limbo status has been going on for decades.

                        No Jon that is simply not true Israel has a right to defend itself and it's citizens. Since Hamas has declared "resistance" Israel is under no pbligation to allow weapons to reach Gaza Port.

                        since that boat that you want to  have journey to Ashdod through an Israeli entry after inspection is not carrying weapons to reach Gaza Port (as we all know) this has nothing to do w/israel defending itself as you well know. jon's right. If you want it your way, then it is a continuation of the occupation.

                        under the pretext of israel defending itself these people are still living in a war zone, for israel 'security' which you support. how much are these millions of people supposed to live like this so zionist jews can have there own state whether they exercise their option to live there or not?

                        10 years? 20, 50. or 1 more? how about another oslo and we can meet back in 20 years with still no rights for palestinians, for israel's 'security'.

                        "As Israel treats Jerusalem, so shall the world treat Israel. As Jerusalem goes, so goes Israel." - B. Burston/Ha'aretz

                        by zannie on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 04:03:05 PM PDT

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                        •  It's relevant for this passage: (1+ / 0-)
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                          So spare me your useless posturing, especially your 'beneficent' offer of annexation

                          That is what that comment refers too.

                          How long should people live like that - they shouldn't. At the same time they need to give up on Liberating Palestine from the Med to the Jordan. It's not gonna happen. Sorry. You can talk all you want but short of a major war - good luck there. UNLESS Israel decides to One State solution itself as per the right. They do that and there you go.

                          Here is one thing Israel should always be the national home and State of the Jewish people even if I call for regime change there. It could be 1000 years and I would still believe that. But it would tomorrow that I would call for regime change if I believe the government (and I do) won't make peace.

                          Give up on the Zionist ideal. No. Sorry.

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                          by volleyboy1 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 05:33:26 PM PDT

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                          •  'the Zionist ideal' (4+ / 0-)
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                            This is Zionism
                            "Associates of Dr. Ariella Azoulay, who teaches visual culture and contemporary philosophy in Bar-Ilan's Hermeneutics and Cultural Studies Program, and who has published books against the occupation, said: "The university has no germane reason to disqualify Ariella other than her positions. This is a political decision disguised as a professional one.""

                            This is Zionism
                            "A disciplinary tribunal reprimanded two Ben-Gurion University students on Wednesday for taking part in a protest over May's raid on a Gaza-bound flotilla and said it would suspend them if they repeated their actions."

                            Zionism
                            "After a long wait we reached the security inspection. A military policeman named Tal closed off the road - one of the two traffic lanes - and motioned with his hand to wait. He then took pizza from a delivery man who had arrived and went to the soldiers' room, ignoring the dozens of waiting cars with scores, if not hundreds, of people in them.   Finally the soldier emerged, approached us and asked for ID cards. After handing them to him and identifying ourselves as journalists, we asked how they could close one of the checkpoint's two lanes for pizza. Yoni, another soldier on the shift, said he was keeping our cards and told us to wait on the side of the road as he was calling the police to question us because we came from the direction of the Palestinian Authority area."

                            "I have no emotional obligation to [a] militarist & politically aggressive nation-state which asks for my solidarity on racial grounds" E. Hobsbawm

                            by jon the antizionist jew on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 12:08:46 AM PDT

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                          •  as i've stated before (0+ / 0-)

                            i have no problem w/israel being the national home and state of the jewish people, as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. as for

                            It's not gonna happen. Sorry. You can talk all you want but short of a major war - good luck there. UNLESS Israel decides to One State solution itself as per the right.

                            not so sure any of us can read into the future. i saw an excellent film called 'a little town of bethlehem' last night with a discussion afterward. both the israeli and palestinian there were of the mindset it would be israel taking down that wall someday and not because of some major war, more like the opposite.

                            if a palestinian state doesn't come about in the near future (and many believe it's too late for that) we could see a scenario reminiscent of SA, not as per the right.

                            "As Israel treats Jerusalem, so shall the world treat Israel. As Jerusalem goes, so goes Israel." - B. Burston/Ha'aretz

                            by zannie on Sat Oct 02, 2010 at 10:25:28 AM PDT

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                      •  "I'll bet you think this song is about you" (6+ / 0-)

                        "You're so vain
                        You probably think this song is about you
                        You're so vain
                        I'll bet you think this song is about you
                        Don't you? Don't you?"

                        Volley, what I wrote, what I am discussing, guess what; it really ain't about you, or me for that matter. It's not about being your 'buddy,' and I just can't believe you could even think so.

                        The use of the word 'benificent;' that's what got you off on this silly tangent? are you kidding me? Let's review the actual meaning of the word, shall we?


                        Definition of BENEFICENT

                        be·nef·i·cent
                        adj
                        1
                        : doing or producing good; especially : performing acts of kindness and charity
                        2
                        : beneficial
                        — be·nef·i·cent·ly adverb
                        Examples of BENEFICENT

                          1. a humane and beneficent policy
                          2. a beneficent couple who are regular volunteers at a homeless shelter

                        So, let's rephrase that one for you, shall we? How about this;

                        So spare me your useless posturing, especially your 'humane/kind/charitable' offer of annexation; you are on record here as supporting Israel as a Jewish state, which by definition means there can be no 'equal rights.'

                        This, of course, was in response to this statement of yours:

                        I do believe if the Israelis annex the West Bank they should get all the benefits of a one state solution - equal rights for all and they should annex Gaza as well and give them full rights as well.

                        And, as I have said, we all here are all aware of your Zionist affiliation, and a proud one at that. As I have said, and as you have pretty much confirmed, you cannot be in favor of equal rights of any sort as a Zionist, whether left or right wing, progressive or not. The two are at odds with each other, as is obvious; a state for the Jewish people, where power and privilege are reserved for Jews, must, to some extent, oppress and repress the native Palestinians.

                        But, here you are, making gracious offers and statements of unbelievable hubris towards people suffering under the boot of occupation, exile, and racism; its like reading the white man's burden all over again. I mean, writing something like this just makes me cringe;

                        I support Israel as the National State and homeland of the Jewish people. I think other peoples can live there as well

                        Are you kidding me? You think that 'other people' can live there as well? Really? Who are these 'other people?' Can the former residents of Lifta, Palestinians ethnically cleansed from their homes across Israel, can they be considered as these 'other people?' And is it for you, a Jewish American that has no stated intention of living there yourself, is it for you to decide, on behalf of these poor 'other people' where they can and can't live? And live as what? as a "hewer of thy wood" and a "drawer of thy water?" Is that for you to decide on their behalf? Or me? Or Netanyahu? Seriously, it just astounds me how you can repeat such familiar colonial arrogance.

                        So again, do spare us; notice, you haven't even tried to counter any of the historical background to Israel's settler-colonial predicament, and in truth, you can't. All you can do, is continue with your posturing, your throwing the right wing Zionists/Zionism under the bus, and your incredible self-absorption. Who knows, at some point, you may come to a different understanding of things, heck I know I have. But until then, remember; it's not about you.

                        "I have no emotional obligation to [a] militarist & politically aggressive nation-state which asks for my solidarity on racial grounds" E. Hobsbawm

                        by jon the antizionist jew on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 11:57:02 PM PDT

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          •  uprated for laughter. thanks. (1+ / 0-)
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            Free Bradley Manning!

            by Tom J on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:32:09 PM PDT

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      •  i should mail you a bill. nt (0+ / 0-)

        Free Bradley Manning!

        by Tom J on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:14:03 PM PDT

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      •  That boat diesn't BELONG in Ashdod. (3+ / 0-)

        Ashdod isn't their destination.  Any port other than Gaza constitutes piracy.

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        by Celtic Merlin on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:54:44 PM PDT

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        •  It is not piracy... (1+ / 0-)
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          and you should accordingly retract the claim that it would be.  I direct you to the UN Convention of the Law of the Sea (specifically articles 101 and 102):

          Article101

          Definition of piracy

          Piracy consists of any of the following acts:

              (a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed:

                      (i) on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft;

                      (ii) against a ship, aircraft, persons or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any State;

              (b) any act of voluntary participation in the operation of a ship or of an aircraft with knowledge of facts making it a pirate ship or aircraft;

              (c) any act of inciting or of intentionally facilitating an act described in subparagraph (a) or (b).

          Article102

          Piracy by a warship, government ship or government aircraft

          whose crew has mutinied

          The acts of piracy, as defined in article 101, committed by a warship, government ship or government aircraft whose crew has mutinied and taken control of the ship or aircraft are assimilated to acts committed by a private ship or aircraft.

          Please be advised: The contents of this comment are merely my opinion.

          by Mets102 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 05:19:14 PM PDT

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          •  Blah, blah, blah. (0+ / 0-)

            If the IDF stops and re-directs this boat to a port other than its intended destination so that they can enforce an illegal blockade of a People who's children are malnourished and anemic BECAUSE of that illegal blockade, it's piracy.  Plain, pure, and simple piracy.

            They can inspect the boat for weapons while at sea and permit them to continue along their way.  THAT I would have no problems with so long as they remove NOTHING from that boat which is not a weapon of war.

            Else, my evaluation of what we all know the IDF will do stands.

            C M
            C

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            by Celtic Merlin on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 05:53:42 PM PDT

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            •  Once again it's... (2+ / 0-)
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              "HEY!  LOOK OVER THERE!"

              When it's pointed out to you that you make a factually incorrect statement, rather than acknowledge the incorrectness of the statement and retract said statement, you instead reiterate and shift attention.

              Nonetheless, even within your comment, I find it interesting how in one case you treat your interpretation of international law as something inviolable and beyond any question, yet at the same time willfully ignore a clear statement of international law that contradicts a prior statement of yours.

              Please be advised: The contents of this comment are merely my opinion.

              by Mets102 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 06:31:47 PM PDT

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              •  Wrong. (0+ / 0-)

                You're just wrong.

                The IDF is going to hijack that ship, take it to a port under its control, remove the cargo, ship what it feels the people of Gaza should have, and either destroy or keep or sell the rest.

                That's simple piracy.  Quoting chapter and verse isn't necessary.  Trying to hide Israel behind "international law" when they have violated it so many times (and continue to do so every day with the illegal bloackade if Gaza and the continued building of colonies on West Bank land stolen from the Palestinians) is ridiculous.

                I find it weird that you'd quote any UN documents given the latest UN report on Israel's repulsive behavior towards the Palestinian People.  All of the screaming about how illegitimate is the UN when it comes to Israel seems to have conveniently evaporated now, huh?  Like a fart in the wind . . .

                Sorry I couldn't take your call. I'm using my cell phone to make pancakes. Please leave a message.

                by Celtic Merlin on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 06:52:29 PM PDT

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                •  "Hijack"?.... Gaza is under blockade (2+ / 0-)
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                  That ship is not being hijacked. It is entering a blockaded area knowingly in an attempt to run the blockade. It is not being criminally seized as Israel has a right to defend itself and make sure weapons don't go to a hostile regime that has/is engaged in using those weapons on Israel.

                  Now you and I both know that ship most likely has nothing resembling a weapon anywhere except for the ships propeller. But, Israel I think has a right to check cargo. The one thing I would say Israel could do is inspect the ship at sea and if there are no weapons let them pass. Now that I think of that - that is a great idea.

                  That changes my comment above. If Israel can show that it can enforce a weapons blockade but let humanitarian items go... I think that is what is an ideal situation.

                  Please Note: The contents of this comment are only my opinion

                  by volleyboy1 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 06:59:06 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  BTW I agree with this (1+ / 0-)
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                    They can inspect the boat for weapons while at sea and permit them to continue along their way.  THAT I would have no problems with so long as they remove NOTHING from that boat which is not a weapon of war.

                    seems we agree that this is the best solution.

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                    by volleyboy1 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 07:09:41 PM PDT

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                •  even if they shipped every last bit of the aid (1+ / 0-)
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                  in that little boat to Gaza, it would be kidnapping. the people were denied their right to visit the people of Gaza, the people of Gaza would be denied their right to welcome these people.

                  of course, talking about human rights to this group is like talking about baseball to my cat.

                  Free Bradley Manning!

                  by Tom J on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 09:15:09 PM PDT

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            •  it's teetering on the brink of genocide. (0+ / 0-)

              when 95% of the water is undrinkable. yeah, it's coming close. It is deliberate action to limit the health of a whole civilian population.

              Free Bradley Manning!

              by Tom J on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 09:11:42 PM PDT

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          •  i should send you and volley some rum. nt (0+ / 0-)

            Free Bradley Manning!

            by Tom J on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 09:08:47 PM PDT

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            •  Not even that veiled Tom in calling... (2+ / 0-)
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              volley and I pirates just because we support the idea that Israel has a right to ensure that weapons reach Hamas' hands.

              Please be advised: The contents of this comment are merely my opinion.

              by Mets102 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 09:41:10 PM PDT

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              •  never mind. (2+ / 0-)
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                we support the idea that Israel has a right to ensure that weapons reach Hamas' hands.

                Free Bradley Manning!

                by Tom J on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 10:08:41 PM PDT

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                •  Clear typo on my part... (1+ / 0-)
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                  thanks for catching it.

                  It should read:

                  we support the idea that Israel has a right to ensure that no weapons reach Hamas' hands

                  Please be advised: The contents of this comment are merely my opinion.

                  by Mets102 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 10:24:52 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  and not that you are a pirate, but that (1+ / 0-)
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                    you and volley are supporting piracy and violence by supporting the forced diversion of this boat of unarmed people to a destination they do not wish to go to.

                    Free Bradley Manning!

                    by Tom J on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 10:31:16 PM PDT

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                    •  No Tom... (2+ / 0-)
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                      when you state:

                      i should send you and volley some rum.

                      you are calling volley and I pirates because the association is with pirates and not those supporting piracy.

                      Now let me ask you the following questions:

                      1. Do you consider it reasonable for Israel to attempt and prevent Hamas from obtaining weapons that could then be used in terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians?
                      1. If your answer to question 1 is yes, then how do you propose Israel go about preventing arms from reaching Hamas?

                      Please be advised: The contents of this comment are merely my opinion.

                      by Mets102 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 10:35:50 PM PDT

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                      •  ::Crickets:: n/t (2+ / 0-)
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                        Please be advised: The contents of this comment are merely my opinion.

                        by Mets102 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 09:40:03 AM PDT

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                        •  Did you expect anything else? (2+ / 0-)
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                          Please Note: The contents of this comment are only my opinion

                          by volleyboy1 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 10:54:06 AM PDT

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                          •  heads up (0+ / 0-)

                            excuse the OT, i thought this link might interest you. nyrb.

                            note the opening.

                            "As Israel treats Jerusalem, so shall the world treat Israel. As Jerusalem goes, so goes Israel." - B. Burston/Ha'aretz

                            by zannie on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 10:59:25 AM PDT

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                          •  whoops (1+ / 0-)
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                            i see my earlier link flubbed up. here it is again
                            Our Man in Palestine
                            . (about fayyed, i rec) here's that opening paragraphs

                            On August 31, the night before President Obama’s dinner inaugurating direct talks between Israeli and Palestinian leaders, Hamas gunmen shot and killed four Jewish settlers in Hebron, the West Bank’s largest and most populous governorate. The attack—the deadliest against Israeli citizens in more than two years—was condemned by Palestinian and Israeli officials, who said that it was meant to thwart the upcoming negotiations. According to a Hamas spokesman, however, the shooting had a more specific purpose: to demonstrate the futility of the recent cooperation between Israeli and Palestinian security forces. This cooperation has reached unprecedented levels under the quiet direction of a three-star US Army general, Keith Dayton, who has been commanding a little-publicized American mission to build up Palestinian security forces in the West Bank.1

                            Referred to by Hamas as "the Dayton forces," the Palestinian security services are formally under the authority of Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president and chairman of Hamas’s rival, Fatah; but they are, in practice, controlled by Salam Fayyad, the unelected prime minister, a diminutive, mild-mannered technocrat. Abbas appointed Fayyad following Hamas’s grim takeover of Gaza in June 2007—which occurred seventeen months after the Islamist party won the January 2006 parliamentary elections—and entrusted him with preventing Hamas from also seizing the West Bank.

                            oh my.

                            "As Israel treats Jerusalem, so shall the world treat Israel. As Jerusalem goes, so goes Israel." - B. Burston/Ha'aretz

                            by zannie on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 04:38:34 PM PDT

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                        •  ::ants:: (1+ / 0-)
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                          Free Bradley Manning!

                          by Tom J on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 12:13:24 PM PDT

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                          •  Answer the questions Tom n/t (2+ / 0-)
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                            Please be advised: The contents of this comment are merely my opinion.

                            by Mets102 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 12:14:36 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  ok i'll play (0+ / 0-)
                            1. Do you consider it reasonable for Israel to attempt and prevent holocaust survivors from obtaining weapons that could then be used in terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians?
                            1. If your answer to question 1 is yes, then how do you propose Israel go about preventing arms from reaching Hamas?

                            "As Israel treats Jerusalem, so shall the world treat Israel. As Jerusalem goes, so goes Israel." - B. Burston/Ha'aretz

                            by zannie on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 04:08:50 PM PDT

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                          •  Actually... (1+ / 0-)
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                            you're not playing, because you don't answer the questions.  Instead, you pretty much scream, "HEY!  LOOK OVER THERE!", or at least some imitation thereof. Tactic FAIL!

                            Please be advised: The contents of this comment are merely my opinion.

                            by Mets102 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 04:26:21 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  glad you got the message (0+ / 0-)

                            from mr look over there himself.

                            now, let me ask you the following questions:

                              1. Do you consider it reasonable for the world to attempt and prevent Israel from obtaining nuclear weapons that could then be used in terrorist attacks against civilians?

                              2. If your answer to question 1 is no, then how do you propose the world go about preventing arms from reaching israel?

                            "As Israel treats Jerusalem, so shall the world treat Israel. As Jerusalem goes, so goes Israel." - B. Burston/Ha'aretz

                            by zannie on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 04:32:36 PM PDT

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                          •  It's more... (1+ / 0-)
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                            "HEY!  LOOK OVER THERE!"

                            My questions were quite relevant to the comment thread since there seemed to be an underlying implication that Tom does not believe Israel has the right to prevent Hamas from obtaining arms that Hamas has demonstrated it will use against Israeli civilians.

                            Now, getting to your questions, please show me where any potential Israeli nuclear weapons violate international law and/or Israeli treaty obligations, because the last I checked it was only NPT signatories designated non-nuclear weapons states that were prohibited from obtaining nuclear weapons and Israel is a non-signatory of the NPT.

                            Second, please demonstrate, from a credible, non-biased source where Israel has even suggested the possibility of using nuclear weapons or otherwise stating that it wished to wipe another nation off the face of the earth.

                            Please be advised: The contents of this comment are merely my opinion.

                            by Mets102 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 04:37:22 PM PDT

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                          •  Darnit ---- STOP POSTING THE SAME (1+ / 0-)
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                            stuff I post... LOL

                            See my response to zannie. Nonetheless no one has or will answer your question. It just is not gonna happen.

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                            by volleyboy1 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 04:40:13 PM PDT

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                          •  oh i get it (0+ / 0-)

                            more 'underlying implications' led to your diversions.

                            gotcha.

                            Israel has even suggested the possibility of using nuclear weapons or otherwise stating that it wished to wipe another nation off the face of the earth.

                            the underlying implication behind having weapons is you have the option to use them. nuclear or otherwise. if you want to argue they're to detract others from attacking you fine, as long as you hold that same standard to others.

                            i'm not interested (nor do i have any obligation) to answer your questions. it's fruitless. i was only snarking you to begin with. since settlements seem to be such a pressing issue don't newbies like yourself fresh off the lukid trail have other haunts they might actually still have some leverage in wrt swaying the right wing zionists? maybe your opinions could be better used over there.

                            "As Israel treats Jerusalem, so shall the world treat Israel. As Jerusalem goes, so goes Israel." - B. Burston/Ha'aretz

                            by zannie on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 04:58:47 PM PDT

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                          •  IMHO the answers are (1+ / 0-)
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                            1. No, and last I checked Israel has not threatened or used Nukes against civilians. If they have could you enlighten as to when they have done that, I would appreciate that.
                            1. I don't - they can try. I don't know why they would but they can try.

                            Please Note: The contents of this comment are only my opinion

                            by volleyboy1 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 04:38:55 PM PDT

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                          •  Does question #1 even make sense? (1+ / 0-)
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                            I am reading that over and over again and not getting it. As for question #2 what does she think we are discussing here? The blockade on military goods.

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                            by volleyboy1 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 04:33:27 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  lol (0+ / 0-)

                            actually it makes perfect sense if you follow the parents. you were suggesting the lil ol ladies go to ashdod

                            you and volley are supporting piracy and violence by supporting the forced diversion of this boat of unarmed people to a destination they do not wish to go to.

                            it's mr look over there diverting this into a weapons reach Hamas' hands moment. in this light it makes perfectly logical sense to ask if you consider it reasonable for Israel to attempt and prevent holocaust survivors from obtaining weapons that could then be used in terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. that is  the point of making them go to askdod by your brilliant deduction this blockade is for israels 'security'. no?

                            "As Israel treats Jerusalem, so shall the world treat Israel. As Jerusalem goes, so goes Israel." - B. Burston/Ha'aretz

                            by zannie on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 04:49:07 PM PDT

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                          •  Wow... (1+ / 0-)
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                            one the reasons the blockade is there is because of the weapons issue (Dov Wineglass' overplayed response aside). How is that LOOK OVER THERE?

                            Again I cannot make sense of your comment...

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                            by volleyboy1 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 05:05:29 PM PDT

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            •  Why Thank you Tom... (1+ / 0-)
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              Yo ho, yo ho a pirates life for me..... Aaaargh matey I would type more but Polly's bitin' me fingers to the bone... damn bird.....

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              by volleyboy1 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 10:29:55 PM PDT

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        •  No it doesn't.... (2+ / 0-)
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          Israel is blockading Gaza. It's known and whether you agree with it or not... it's known to everyone heading that way. Everyone on that ship knows what they are heading into. Not one person there thinks they are going to get to Gaza umimpeded. Israel has stated that ships going to Gaza will be redirected to Ashdod. Whether you like it or not that is what is happening, the people on the ship know it, the Israelis know it and the Gazans know it.

          Before you made a veiled comment about how the people on the Irene will be treated. My bet is that if they don't fight back they will be treated like the people on the Rachel Corrie, which was towed to Ashdod with no problem. If they try to fight my feeling is Jewish or not, (which was your insinuation above) they will be treated like the folks on the Mavi Marmara.

          The better question is "Are the goods going to make it?". The gesture will fail but will the goods get there. If they don't... then you can claim piracy until then... no you can't.

          Please Note: The contents of this comment are only my opinion

          by volleyboy1 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 06:50:22 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  OHOH here is a comment (1+ / 0-)
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      from the Israelis... Looks like your $ 10.00 could be gone: Israel Navy to use force if Jewish aid boat heading for Gaza refuses to comply

      Please Note: The contents of this comment are only my opinion

      by volleyboy1 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 07:17:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Thanks, Tom J! (6+ / 0-)

    Irene - Eirene - Peace

    Hoping that this Irene brings us one step (or one knot) closer to a just peace.

    "Trolling is a sad reality of internet life...Directly replying to the content of a trollish message is usually a waste of time"

    by Rusty Pipes on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 12:38:51 PM PDT

  •  latest news...all's well so far... (1+ / 0-)
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    "Everyone's very relaxed and some of the crew are heading off for an early night"

    i expect they will reach gaza (or Gaza waters) at early light, which means late tonight california time. it's 10 hours ahead of california time.

    Free Bradley Manning!

    by Tom J on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:40:54 PM PDT

    •  LATEST NEWS 10pm california time (0+ / 0-)

      After traveling all night in parallel to the
      coast, from North to South, the boat turned east toward Gaza at 6am. They now have mobile phone reception. they are still in international
      waters. No sign of the army yet.

      6AM would be 10pm California time.

      Free Bradley Manning!

      by Tom J on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 10:59:26 PM PDT

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