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[Such a good reminder, we're going to run it once every day until the election. Susan]

Questions:

  1. What was the average monthly private sector job growth in 2008, the final year of the Bush presidency, and what has it been so far in 2010?
  1. What was the Federal deficit for the last fiscal year of the Bush presidency, and what was it for the first full fiscal year of the Obama presidency?
  1. What was the stock market at on the last day of the Bush presidency? What is it at today?
  1. Which party's candidate for speaker will campaign this weekend with a Nazi reenactor who dressed up in a SS uniform?

Answers:

  1. In 2008, we lost an average of 317,250 private sector jobs per month. In 2010, we have gained an average of 95,888 private sector jobs per month. (Source) That's a difference of nearly five million jobs between Bush's last year in office and President Obama's second year.
  1. In FY2009, which began on September 1, 2008 and represents the Bush Administration's final budget, the budget deficit was $1.416 trillion. In FY2010, the first budget of the Obama Administration, the budget deficit was $1.291 trillion, a decline of $125 billion. (Source) Yes, that means President Obama has cut the deficit -- there's a long way to go, but we're in better shape now than we were under Bush and the GOP.
  1. On Bush's final day in office, the Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 closed at 7,949, 1,440, and 805, respectively. Today, as of 10:15AM Pacific, they are at 11,108, 2,512, and 1,183. That means since President Obama took office, the Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 have increased 40%, 74%, and 47%, respectively.
  1. The Republican Party, whose candidate for speaker, John Boehner, will campaign with Nazi re-enactor Rich Iott this weekend. If you need an explanation why this is offensive, you are a lost cause.

The moral of the story is this: if you vote Republican, I hope you enjoy Election Day -- because you're not going to like what comes next.

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This post originally appeared here on Friday, October 29.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:00 AM PDT.

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  •  What's sad (14+ / 0-)

    Is that those who could benefit from this information will never see it and will vote for Republicans out of misplaced anger.

    •  Yes...that's true and sad... (1+ / 0-)
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      PatriciaVa

      and even more aggravating is the fact that the Rethugs and Teabaggers are on to us, and they've created a new set of lying talking points to counteract statements 1, 2, & 3:

      It wasn't B**h's fault, it was the fault of that Democrat (sic) congress since 2006.

      And people who are already stupid enough to listen to Limbaugh and Beck and Palin and the vomit-spewers on even the Sunday morning MSM lie-fests are stupid enough to fall for it.

      See? We're sooooooo clever...we're not falling for that presidential stuff, we're politically savvy - because Limbaugh tells us we are - and we know it's all the fault of those Democrats in congress. As brilliant as poor President B**h was, he didn't have a chance against those commie-socialists in congress.

      Facts, the time lag between policy implementation and effect, and the reality of the failure of the "trickle-down" model elude these newly-brilliant "experts"...and they manage to drag a lot of low-information "independent" voters down with them. :-(

      "Bernie Madoff's mistake was stealing from the rich. If he'd stolen from the poor he'd have a cabinet position." -OPOL

      by blue in NC on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:30:52 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The only silver lining here is the Republicans (2+ / 0-)
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        blue in NC, shanesnana

        will start on day one to do more of the same, and nothing at all to improve the condition of anyone's lives, except for the rich and powerful. The next election will come faster than we think, and it will be easier to defeat them and their asshole policies.
        I loved Rachel Maddow's show last night when she ran through the list of all the Democrats got accomplished in two years, under this President. They were more interested in policy than in politics, and President Obama still holds the veto pen. Let's hope he has the courage to use it when necessary.

    •  not exactly - I sent this to a (4+ / 0-)

      very dear friend (yesterday) - who used to be a Repub, but moved over to Dem in '08....he has numerous friends who are still Repub....he speaks with them frequently about these issues and misconceptions...he is now armed (Just in Time) with these facts to have conversations as his friends head to the polls today....his plan is to share this info with them in a non argumentative/factual way.

      Every mind that we can change/educate and swing that vote is worth so very much today.

      GWT (gay white twitterer)looking for followers...@leftmyheart

      by left my heart on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:34:11 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Animal Nuz #18 was inspired by this diary. (4+ / 0-)

    http://www.dailykos.com/...
    Thanks, Jed! GOTV!!!!!!!

    I ♥ President Barack Obama.

    by ericlewis0 on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:06:44 AM PDT

  •  Hence the teabaggers, who reject Bush (4+ / 0-)
    because he wasn't conservative enough.  The GOP elites are papering over the divisions by  jumping in front of the bagger parade, declaring "no compromise" and talking big.  It's the advantage of the off year election of the out party.  

    Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

    by Inland on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:07:03 AM PDT

  •  I thanked you yesterday and will (8+ / 0-)

    thank you again today....please keep this kind of stuff on the front page.

    ANYONE clicking on DKOS today should be bombarded with dem accomplishments.

  •  The Boehner Stock Market Rally Continues (4+ / 0-)

    On Bush's final day in office, the Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 closed at 7,949, 1,440, and 805, respectively. Today, as of 10:15AM Pacific, they are at 11,108, 2,512, and 1,183. That means since President Obama took office, the Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 have increased 40%, 74%, and 47%, respectively

    Yes, after the Clinton recession of 2007-2008, and the Obama financial crisis in the fall of 2008, interrupting the Reagan bull market of the eighties, the Boehner rally has saved us all.

    Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

    by Inland on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:09:09 AM PDT

  •  sigh, this again! (1+ / 0-)
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    shanesnana

    what was the unemployment rate when Obama was elected?

    what was the foreclosure rate when Obama was elected??

    that's what's hurting us ....

    Vote Early, Vote Often! ;)

    by PhillyGal on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:11:03 AM PDT

  •  Not only do I never get tired of this post, (9+ / 0-)

    I'm quoting the daylights out of it.

    C'mon. Step on *my* head.

    by thenekkidtruth on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:12:26 AM PDT

  •  Facts and their liberal bias (7+ / 0-)

    We are Taxed Enough Already, and therefore we must vote the Republicans into office so they can cut our taxes. And the deficit. And increase military spending to protect us from evil Brown People.

    It's incoherency as a political philosophy.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:13:28 AM PDT

  •  "Speaker Boehner" has no plan and ppl would (7+ / 0-)

    vote him Speaker ? I'm just speechless !

    Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

    by LaurenMonica on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:13:41 AM PDT

  •  Last question is awesome. Yet so sad. (2+ / 0-)
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    stolen water, shanesnana

    Germany had its brown shirts. America has its tea baggers. The difference? The brown shirts had class.

    by Ex Real Republican on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:14:36 AM PDT

  •  Just got home (8+ / 0-)

    from voting in Chicago.  It was nice to see at least two busy precincts in Lincoln Park. Had to wait in line for the first time since Al Gore.

    that out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope. - Barack Obama

    by acuppajo on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:16:18 AM PDT

  •  You keep using incorrect FY 2009 Budget (1+ / 0-)
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    MGross

    figures.

    Yes, those are the revised official numbers as of late 2009.  But those included part of TARP and part of Obama's stimulus, which you can hardly dump on Bush.

    This has been pointed out before, but you refuse to correct those numbers, though I am not surprised.

    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

    by Skeptical Bastard on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:26:45 AM PDT

    •  Hardly his only mistake. (1+ / 0-)
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      Skeptical Bastard

      FY2009 was almost all Obama's tenure.

      •  I know... the worst of it is.. (0+ / 0-)

        when you look at the questions Jed is suggesting people to ask Republicans, it is very telling.

        There is not one question regarding the Dem's accomplishments... just goofy trickery with budget numbers and meaningless stock market figures - as if Obama had one freakin' thing to do with Wall St doing well or poorly.

        This election has come down to desperate comparisons to Bush, once again.  I feel like I'm in a time warp zapped back to 2008.

        "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

        by Skeptical Bastard on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 07:26:03 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  And yet... (1+ / 0-)
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      shanesnana

      ON JANUARY 7, 2009, CBO put the 2009 budget deficit at over 1.2 trillion.  Read that bolded and capitalized date again, please.  January 7, 2009, thirteen days before President Obama was sworn in.

      http://www.pbs.org/...

      Note the date of this story, note the projections, and note how President Obama has beaten those projections substantially.

      Back to 2009, where did those extra 200 billion fall in?  And yes, look again at CBO - it was only an additional 200 billion in deficit spending.  Most of it came from the fact that, soon after CBO's January 7 report, we lost another 1.4+ million jobs.  The stimulus added a bit, short term, sure, but was necessary - and I doubt that, had they not done it, the deficit would actually have been smaller.  Indeed, if unemployment had spiked up again, the deficit might have been much larger.

      So please don't repeat the GOPer talking point of Obama "tripling Bush's deficit" here.  You're provably wrong, and your "revised figures" are nowhere near what you're pretending them to be.

      •  That link is dated March 20, 2009 (0+ / 0-)

        But I think I found the one you were trying to link to on the side bar.

        But.. you completely forgot about TARP.  The article clearly states that over half of the bailout is included in that figure.  TARP has been largely paid back, and even touted by Obama himself as a money-making proposition.

        Add to that stimulus plus $160 shortfall in revenues from the recession and you have a very large deficit.

        But.. it is dishonest at best to attribute that budget to Bush.. or even to Obama.  it belongs to both and neither all at the same time.

        "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

        by Skeptical Bastard on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:08:52 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I disagree (1+ / 0-)
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          shanesnana

          I think Bush's policies (and those of the GOP) directly led to the crash - and was predicting a disaster as early as early 2004, when I first learned about how great an impact on GDP Mew (Mortgage Equity Withdrawal) was having.

          When President Bush fed the housing bubble to sustain his GDP growth through innovative initiatives like no money down, he was making his short-term goals without any thought to the long-term consequences.  When President Bush told HUD to start buying Alt-A's through Fannie and Freddie, again for the same short-term "ownership" (actually GDP - he needed the bubble to mask the truth about his economy), he put the looming disaster on steroids.

          In addition, a BIG part of our deficit, almost ALL of our deficit, can be traced back to the 2001, 2003 ill-advised tax cuts, the Medicare Part D trillion-dollar giveaway and two unfunded wars.

          Those tax cuts did nothing to spur the economy (MEW did, and that's never healthy), and those unfunded obligations have been a heavy chain around our economy's neck for years.

          I used the link from PBS because...look at their future projections and see how clearly we're already beating them despite the continuing sluggish economy.  The CBO January 7 link is easy enough to find, and that report is referenced in the PBS link.

  •  I knew I ... (2+ / 0-)
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    sherlyle, amk for obama

    ... wouldn't have to look far to find it today and, sure enough, there it was in the New York Times, 10 minutes into my search:

    Results a Test of Tea Party and the Impact of Obama

    Yes, folks, it's the Superhero with the Torn Cape vs. The Forces of, well, Something or Other.

    Thanks NYT for dumbing it down for us.

    We'll take it from here ...

  •  If tax cuts create jobs and (6+ / 0-)

    all the Republicans have done for the last 40 years is cut taxes - where are the freaking jobs?   Humans are sooooooooo stupid.

    Don't tax the rich, starve the poor.

    by dkmich on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:27:50 AM PDT

    •  I like the line, that the tax rate will be (2+ / 0-)
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      dkmich, shanesnana

      restored to what it was under Clinton, when we created jobs, and he left office with a surplus. It doesn't seem like people suffered under the Clinton tax rates, businesses flourished, and so did the economy. The selective memory on the right makes me crazy.

  •  Ao years ago ---another GOP win (with help) (0+ / 0-)

    look where that got us!!!!

  •  Also... (1+ / 0-)
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    PsychoSavannah

    Please check this out if you have any doubts...

    What the fuck has Obama Done So Far...

    HT to Balloon Juice for the link...

    What we do for ourselves dies with us, what we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. (Albert Pine)

    by laughingriver on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:34:03 AM PDT

  •  If Only Sanity Was The Critical Factor In The (2+ / 0-)
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    Vera Lofaro, Pilgrim X
    election today, or in the future, rational argument and enlightening statistics, like you have shown in this post, would suffice.

    But we are entering a time when more Americans will lose their minds than will lose jobs, homes, or health care.

    Maybe elections are not enough to carry the day?

  •  Filibuster (1+ / 0-)
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    stolen water

    Did the Dem Senators make the Repubs ACTUALLY filibuster even once in the past 2 years? Or did they just assume a priori they needed 60 votes to pass anything?

  •  If only facts and truth mattered n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    maryabein

    There is always a better way.

    by Pilgrim X on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:40:31 AM PDT

  •  FY2009 ran from 10/1/08 to 9/30/09 (0+ / 0-)

    So it was Obama for almost the entire period, although he didn't take office until a couple months in.

    •  Wrong (1+ / 0-)
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      shanesnana

      January 7th, 2009, 13 days BEFORE President Obama took office, CBO put the fiscal 2009 budget deficit at over 1.2 trillion dollars.

      Then, before the administration had a single policy in place, we lost another 1.4+ million jobs.

      •  No, I am indeed correct. (0+ / 0-)

        The CBO's (at the time) future estimate for the FY2009 was indeed done prior to FY2009, but that shouldn't surprise anyone, and has no bearing on what it actually ended up being.

        •  Wrong again (1+ / 0-)
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          shanesnana

          FY2009 began October 1, 2008.  It was Bush's budget.

          Of course it changes - supplemental spending bills, lower or higher than expected receipts (much lower than anticipated on January 7, as so many more jobs were unexpectedly shed in January and February) - but by January, before Obama was sworn in, CBO already had us 1.2+ trillion in the hole, structurally.

          Sorry, but the OP's point is valid and you're simply mistaken.

          Bob

  •  One more question (1+ / 0-)
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    shanesnana

    I used this yesterday with a Jesse Kelly supporter that didn't like my Friends don't let friends vote republican button.  It tax cuts create jobs...
    Where are they.  Ten years of the lowest taxes for the rich and no jobs.  He didn't have an answer.

    I destroy my enemies when I make them my friends. Abraham Lincoln

    by UTRepub on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:44:24 AM PDT

    •  germany's example (1+ / 0-)
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      shanesnana

      Despite some of the highest wages in the world, strong unions, lots of regulation, Germany has maintained a very powerful manufacturing base, employing millions. It has held in good stead during this economic crisis. Germany's unemployment rate has actually fallen for the past 15 months straight, an unbelievable record in this economic climate.

      refudiates 30 years of republican dogma.

  •  obama also has a better border enforcement (1+ / 0-)
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    shanesnana

    record than bush. and because of the weak economy, immigration traffic has dropped significantly. not that facts get in the way of teabagger hatred of brown people.

  •  All I can say is those who choose to ignore (1+ / 0-)
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    shanesnana

    history are doomed to repeat it. Let's see how those tea bagging seniors react when the G.O.P. in order to please their tea baggers shut the government down, and S.S. and Medicare is unavailable, and President Obama has to issue executive orders  in an effort to allow them to survive. Will they label it Socialism? "Be careful what you wish for" Tea baggers, you might just get it.

  •  All will be answered (0+ / 0-)

    If the Republicans win big, and all indications this will be a Little Big Horn for Democrats, what conclusions can one draw from this election?

    This article is just whistling past the poltical graveyard.

    Remember Pass.The.Damn.Bill.? 2500 pages of love that, at the time it was passed, was overwhelmingly opposed by the majority of the country.

    Start there. Then ask: what was not done the roads not taken? Had a bill been passed that stopped pre-existing condition cancellations and extended care to the millions using the emergency room instead of primary care physicians (the dirty secret of the health care debate being that the uninsured got care, they just got care badly).

    Think about the toxic Nazi re-enactor in Ohio and ask yourself what is so unappetizing on Democrat's leadership to get this bozo elected. Look in the mirror: on January 21,2009 the Democrats had a mandate, unlimited political power and a President with a 80% approval rating. Not to put too blunt an edge on it: your ideas making a Viking Division putz electable.

    Americans are practical. If John Dingell goes down today, it is because of the obvious chaos HCR creates. See the video of Dr. David Jandaexplaining how his hands will be tied as a doctor: $100,000 for prescribing what he thinks is right treatment followed by jail for the second offense.

    If 20,000 doctors quit medicine, we will have the right to health care and no doctors to provide it. But you are smarter than Republicans, so smart an idiot who tells us he rejects nazism but thinks the Viking Division is somehow heroic (EVERY SS unit in the war committed war crimes) will get elected to Congress.

    Go then to the wilderness and learn where you went wrong. Start with the word hubris and then read up on consensual government. Actually read Jefferson. Tomorrow you weep.

    Join me, I have been weeping for years: I live in a world where liberals incapable of intelligent critical thinking and Teddy Roosevelt Republicanism is a distant dream. We had the greatest system of government in the world. Now we are led by lesser men (and women) of lesser ideals and shortsighted idiocy is the perceived wisdom of the age.

    •  And yet... (0+ / 0-)

      if you go into the "overwhelming" disapproval of PPACA, you'll see that about 20% of that 39-57 disapprove number is because of people who think it didn't go far enough.

      Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that the number vs. the STATUS QUO before PPACA is more like 59-37 APPROVE.

      And 20,000 doctors will quit?  Baloney.

      And by the way, this:

      Look in the mirror: on January 21,2009 the Democrats had a mandate, unlimited political power and a President with a 80% approval rating.

      almost diametrically opposes this:

      Go then to the wilderness and learn where you went wrong. Start with the word hubris and then read up on consensual government.

  •  Ok, but what about the combacks...? (0+ / 0-)

    Ok, so what do I say when they come back with the following responses?

    Pelosi was Speaker in 2008. Harry Reid was Senate Majority Leader. Congress spends money, not the President.

    I was under the impression that Congress didn't bother to pass a budget in 2010.

    The stock market was so low because Barney Frank and Chris Dodd helped to Manipulate the mortgage lending market, forcing banks to lend money to people who couldn't pay it back. So then Wall Street figured out a way to make money on it. But the SEC, which is supposed to be watching Wall Street, was lost in a sea of internet porn, and didn't do anything about it.

    They guy also wore the uniforms the Civil War and World War One. What does a man's hobby have to do with his ability to represent people in Congress? That's what the people are going to say.

    And what do I tell them when they point out that the unemployment rate is still higher than it was before the Stimulus Bill was passed? And what should I say when people point out that we're still involved in two wars? And what should I tell them when they point out that Gitmo is still open? And what should I say when people mention that Big Companies are applying for special exemptions from the Health Care bill? And what should I say when the Teapeople rant and rave about how insurance companies are just cancelling children's policies rather than covering sick kids?  

    I just want to make sure I'm saying the right stuff.

  •  Impressive Drop in Deficit (0+ / 0-)

    Actually the $125 billion reduction in the deficit is impressive, considering Obama accomplished this during this recession.  In fact it is even more impressive, since this also was accomplished while the Federal Government was pumping all of the money into the economy (TARP, Banks, etc) to keep the country running.

    Imagine how much money he might have saved if the economy wasn't in a downslide.  Overall, I think the $125 billion reduction is damn good considering all that has gone on these past two years.

  •  I know exactly how Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    would answer questions 1-3.

    They would, and do, point out it was a Democratic Congress.

  •  The Rethugs are simply bad for the economy. (0+ / 0-)

    Historically under Democratic presidents job growth, deficts,GDP,and the stock market have always been better than under the Rethugs. These facts are hardly mentioned if ever by the MSM. The Democrats for some reason never push these facts and let the Rethugs continue to con the voters that they are good for business.

  •  Hoyer wins by a hair (0+ / 0-)

    I am frequently disappointed in Steny, my southern Maryland Congressman, but of course the Republicans, as always, have put forward a guy who makes me appreciate the upside of having Hoyer in. I haven't seen any polls, but the whole envrionment makes me fear a scary close election for him.

    Politics is not arithmetic. It's chemistry.

    by tamandua on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:58:01 AM PDT

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