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Some may call this diary laughable and pie in the sky.  They get trapped in the idea of formula, committees, and control.  But as Jim Demint (R-SC) put it: "Committees are rubbish"  The reality is, Republicans are nowhere near in control of the (R)s in the house.. and in a 3 party setup, Democrats should remember who should set the message.

Let's be clear on this point:   at this point, like it or not, (R) control the house, but they do so in NAME ONLY.   While Democrats have long caucused with Independents, Greens, etc. it has been a flanking minority.   Here, the Republicans will have a full 50 members of their ranks who directly owe stakes to a third party - The Tea Party.   Wait, that's not a party?   Not according to them, they, in their press conference, pointed out how different they are from republicans.  Which isn't a shock, as Karl Rove has gone out of his way to lambast them:

Karl Rove outed the Republican elites’ contempt for Tea Partiers in the campaign’s final stretch. Much as Barack Obama thought he was safe soliloquizing about angry white Middle Americans clinging to "guns or religion" at a San Francisco fund-raiser in 2008, so Rove now parades his disdain for the same constituency when speaking to the European press. This month he told Der Spiegel that Tea Partiers are "not sophisticated," and then scoffed, "It’s not like these people have read the economist Friedrich August von Hayek." Given that Glenn Beck has made a cause of putting Hayek’s dense 1944 antigovernment treatise "The Road to Serfdom" on the best-seller list and Tea Partiers widely claim to have read it, Rove could hardly have been more condescending to "these people." Last week, for added insult, he mocked Sarah Palin’s imminent Discovery Channel reality show to London’s Daily Telegraph.

The Republican Party is preparing to embark on Civil War.. with itself.   One thing which Jon Stewart (wow, it's amazing I'm citing a comic, but it's more apt here then most political minds of the moment) pointed out is that most Democrats know a Republican or too.. hell, they may be related to them ;)  And vice-versa.   And most of those people "get along" with some basic goals.   Whether we think that way or not, the senate and house have a long history of people on the right and left at some point coming together for across the lines bills which have shaped our legislative body.  

Today, the Tea Party throws down the gauntlet:  "We won't work with anyone!   We want gridlock!"    

For many Republicans, not tea partiers, this is a disaster.   Far more then working with a democrat, being trapped into gridlock works - for a short while.  But after a short while, people at home expect results.   Sitting in a corner and pouting is not results.   No tangible movement just leaves them apt to blame.

This is where I think Democrats have to WAKE UP.   Democrats control the senate, including some Republicans who will likely be back against the wishes of their tea-party fools.   Democrats represent the largest cohesive unit in the House.    


We in America are so used to a two party system, we fail to recognize that right now, there are THREE distinctly different agendas in the house.   And there is enough difference here that the Tea Partiers, who are MORE Interested in holding Republicans to the fire to show that they are different then they are democrats (who they believe they have already shown to be different)represent the rock on which the Republican wave breaks.

Democrats are so busy cowering because they fail to see the reality; they can't appreciate the new political landscape because it is scary and different.

But there is no denying the fact that the Tea Party, while Republican for the most part, has at it's roots a desire to show that they are "DIFFERENT" which was the message they sent all summer.

Right now, the war of the house is started:

Self-proclaimed tea party leader Michele Bachmann's bid for a top Republican post in the House received a cool reaction Thursday from Speaker-to-be John Boehner, an early test of how GOP leaders will treat the antiestablishment movement's winners in Tuesday's elections.

"Constitutional conservatives deserve a loud and clear voice in leadership!" Bachmann, R-Minn., who founded the Tea Party Caucus, said in a one-paragraph Facebook announcement that she is running for GOP conference chairman.

House Republican leaders don't disagree. But that doesn't mean they want the hyperbolic Bachmann being a spokeswoman for the new majority during the 2012 election cycle.

And Democrats continue to cry in their milk.  

I would urge democrats to remind their house of rep members that they are the representative of the people.   They have a more cohesive voting block, unified in message and principle.    We are a THREE party house now, not a TWO party house, if the tea party is to be believed.    Now is the time for Democrats to point out to their republican counterparts that they are between a rock and a hard place.   Stand with the obstructionists, and leave behind their principles of representing their districts, or work as their district voted them to, across the isles to get things done.

President Obama, now is a unique time in the American Political landscape.   Now is not the time to shirk from difficulty, but to embrace a unique challenge.   You have the cohesive votes to turn the republicans into obstructionists who are aching to destroy each other.

The task for Democrats now is not to shy away from their message, it is to EMBRACE THEIR MESSAGE.   To send out the message to the public you want to work across the party isle but you have goals.   Challenge the Tea Party to back up their "we prefer gridlock to action".  


Democrats had a bad one night stand.  Their wallet is gone, and so is the money on the nightstand.   Meanwhile, Republicans are the girl who slept with the bad boyfriend to get what they wanted.. and maybe it worked for a short while, but that bad case of Herpes afterwords makes it hard to live down.

Those who comment on "would someone else challenge Obama" "what happens to the message now".

HERE is what happens:  Democrats are the only ones with a unified message.  They control the senate, presidency, and they are the largest cohesive body in the house.  If Democrats back away from their message now, they are the ones beating themselves, not republicans.  

So, after a long night of thought, my advice remains: BE THE ROCK.


My end point is basically this:  Sometimes a story is how you frame it.  The democratic talking point for the last two days has been "Boo Hoo, woe is us!"  I'm sick of it.  Now is the time for someone to come out and say:  There are three agendas now in the house, and we were all elected, from our own districts, by voters in our districts, to represent those viewpoints.  And just because a district in X voted Y doesn't mean I roll over and betray what my district voted for me to do.   So, let's see how this all shakes out.

Originally posted to tmservo433 on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:34 PM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (11+ / 0-)

    Having Hope and using action to give people hope are different things. Make a difference for someone.

    by Chris Reeves on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:34:24 PM PDT

  •  Rubbish. (5+ / 0-)

    The speakership and the committee chairmanships count for a lot.  How many Democratic committee chairs are we going to retain, Hoss?

    Why don't you try reading the rules, Shankopotamus?

    by bugscuffle on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:38:00 PM PDT

    •  Aw, c'mon (2+ / 0-)

      It's just little stuff, like whether a bill gets reported out of committee, or reaches the floor for a vote. It's not like it matters.

      Pancho needs your prayers it's true, but save a few for Lefty, too. Townes van Zandt

      by DaNang65 on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:41:09 PM PDT

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      •  Realize (3+ / 0-)

        A whole lot of republicans need bills to get to the floor and vote on them too.  Whether we agree or disagree, and they need things to pass.   They will be blocked far more by may Tea Party Do-Nothings then Democrats.

        Democrats need to be patient.  Let the civil war continue.   Because people will need accomplishments to go home with in 2 years.  And sticking with the Tea Party won't do that.

        Having Hope and using action to give people hope are different things. Make a difference for someone.

        by Chris Reeves on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:45:17 PM PDT

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        •  What you say may well come to pass, (1+ / 0-)
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          and the infighting between mainstream Republicans and Tea Party enthusiasts may well gridlock them in committee, but how does that support the title thesis of the diary?

          Pancho needs your prayers it's true, but save a few for Lefty, too. Townes van Zandt

          by DaNang65 on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:51:59 PM PDT

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          •  Bills have to pass. (2+ / 0-)

            While they will form Gridlock, political necessity tells us legislation has to pass - or else congressmen go back to their district and get thrown out.  

            Democrats control the senate.   In every means possible, the Senate, still in Democratic hands, provides Democrats in the house an unbelievable upper hand.  With Gridlocked Republicans warring against themselves, House Democrats become the dealbreakers.   The Republicans and Tea Party become the complete Party of No, not just to democrats, but to each other.. but when the Party of "NO" is in power, someone has to compromise somewhere for anything to move.

            And a divided republican party means the one to compromise should NOT be democrats.   That's what I'm saying.   Hold to the message.   Work compromises.   But let them bend toward you, or force Republicans to obstruct each other.  Let the infighting provide Mutually Assured Destruction.    

            Having Hope and using action to give people hope are different things. Make a difference for someone.

            by Chris Reeves on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:56:43 PM PDT

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          •  I also should add (2+ / 0-)

            This is of course, a Sunny-Side diary.   With so many apocolyptic "We're all DOOMED" Diaries, I thought it was time to point out that Republicans in a divided party are in a far more precarious place.. because something has to give there, we just need to sit back and let it happen.

            Having Hope and using action to give people hope are different things. Make a difference for someone.

            by Chris Reeves on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:58:38 PM PDT

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    •  Of course committees matter (2+ / 0-)

      I'm arguing the point that as a cohesive body, when you have a fight for who sits on those committees (see my link to the Washington Post above) between Tea Partiers and Republicans, you put many republicans in a position where, as time passes, their biggest enemy is inside their own camp.  It works in some districts, but the vast majority of Republicans live in districts where they have to accomplish something.

      And having a cohesive body that can oppose and support legislation is a powerful thing; even on committees.

      The worst thing Dems can do is fold.   Wait it out.  Demand some compromise.   Because the infighting longterm kills Republicans far more then Democrats.

      Having Hope and using action to give people hope are different things. Make a difference for someone.

      by Chris Reeves on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:41:35 PM PDT

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      •  I doubt the distinction (2+ / 0-)
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        between tea partiers and republicans is as clear as you assume.  People will get their assignments like they always do: seniority ansd personal lobbying.  

        Why don't you try reading the rules, Shankopotamus?

        by bugscuffle on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:44:56 PM PDT

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        •  True.. a few years ago.. (1+ / 0-)
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          I don't think that matters now.   Bachman has went to the Washington Post and the AP to demand she be seated as a chair.. which bypasses all past rules.

          Previous ideas on what gets you placed doesn't seem to phase tea partiers, who have had no problem today running to the press and making demands as to where they should be.  

          Which is why I contend this will get really interesting fast.

          Hell, Bachman started her own damn Facebook campaign demanding her role.

          I think past rules of who demands what are out the window.

          Having Hope and using action to give people hope are different things. Make a difference for someone.

          by Chris Reeves on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:48:50 PM PDT

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    •  that's the crack (4+ / 0-)

      and the let down is that you have to appear weak as if the Republicans stopped you, when it was really Blue Dog Democrats that did.

      The republicans purged us in ways we never would ourselves... hell, I myself wouldn't have, some of my best friends are conservatives, and I LIKE a big tent... but this is a problem for us.  We have a much more cohesive unit with much more reason to band together.

      ... or I'll leave forever and never come back (and you'll be sorry).

      by GBCW on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:45:32 PM PDT

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  •  I feel obligated to point out (4+ / 0-)

    that among the first people the Nazis went to town on violence-wise... were each other.

    And .. no... I am not calling the Republicans the Nazis.

    But the fascist jackboot fits the Party of Stomping just fine.

    We are real and soulful, with heart and mind, feelings and flesh, thoughts and motives mixed and bright and dark all at once.

    by cskendrick on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:38:06 PM PDT

  •  I agree that Republicans are going to be fun! (3+ / 0-)

    There's a huge social chasm between the patricians and the lumpen--it's one thing for the patricians to fake a love for NASCAR, but the lumpen are another thing entirely.  Democrats don't control the House so to that extent your diary is weird denialism, but Republicans will finally lose the cohesion that's served them so well vs. Democrats for many years.

    The most impressive thing about man [...] is the fact that he has invented the concept of that which does not exist--Glenn Gould

    by Rich in PA on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:38:46 PM PDT

    •  Why would this tiem be different? (2+ / 0-)

      The GOP establishment has co-opted right-wing activist every other time (Silent Majority, Moral Majority, Christian Coalition, Values Voters, Angry White Men, NASCAR Dads) so I'm not counting on the current incarnation staying 'pure'.

      In fact, aren't they already backing away from deficit reduction, one of their central screaming points?

      All the GOP leadership has to do is feed them crap that the oligarchs approve of, like the upcoming 'climate change is a hoax' hearings, to mollify them.

  •  Wait a minute (5+ / 0-)

    Does this mean we have to practice antidisestablishmentarianism?

    Two good rules of life: Don't brake on a curve and don't drag the gears.

    by JG in MD on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:42:18 PM PDT

  •  yes (2+ / 0-)

    much like we didn't really have a majority with a few dozen blue dogs in the mix.

    good news, their minority party is too their right, driving standard republicans to be the one to do things like argue for practical things no one likes or likes to run on...


    futhermore, obama will roast these guys, methinks, in ways you just can't do to your own party without hurting yourself.

    ... or I'll leave forever and never come back (and you'll be sorry).

    by GBCW on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:43:06 PM PDT

  •  The way things are going, there just has (2+ / 0-)
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    to finally be a third party in America, a middle of the road one. Think about it, ConservaDems and RINO's were the two biggest losers in this election cycle. The Progressive Caucus lost only four members, and the Tea Party/Republican Right gained substantially. Meanwhile, half of the Blue Dogs were voted out, and a lot of RINO's lost their jobs as well. Yet's 40% or so of Americans consider themselves "moderate". Who's going to represent them?

    •  No one. Moderates just need to just liberalize. (1+ / 0-)
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      I think most people are afraid of appearing too politically polar, for employment reasons (security), understandably. I don't blame it, but they need to find better reasons to become more fully liberal. Integration won't always work, so regionalism has some advantages. I know the U.S. is difficult to segregate politically, and for good reasons, because there are many federal laws that protect civil rights (pro-choice, gays, though not marriage yet). That's why I think moderates should vote Democratic more because of social issues that don't have enough good federal laws in place (plus they need to be maintained), while they figure out how to improve the economy.
      •  and by polar I mean not extremist, just true left (1+ / 0-)
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        This is the age of really picking a side. It's better that we are clearly divided so we can pursue what we want. Gridlock is really a terrible situation, unless you like the status quo. And, maybe if you're a moderate that's good enough, but in my opinion minorities and liberals are suffering much more in their rights.

    •  There already is a middle of the road party (2+ / 0-)

      It is called the Democratic Party.  We have a centrist party and a right-wing party.  The US has no effective left-wing party.

  •  tmservo - what makes you think (2+ / 0-)
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    Eric K, TomorrowsProgressives

    that the Dems are cohesive. They have never been cohesive. It's a big tent.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:49:01 PM PDT

  •  An interesting idea, (3+ / 0-)

    it would be nice if it was true, but the chairmen of the committees: Steve King (IA- racist) Joe Berton (TX- oily dick sucker) Darryl Issa (CA-  ruthless toxic partisan), and etc. means there's no hope for anything except bigotry and neo fascist trash eminating from the House for the next two years. The only good part will be the tea party types trying to take over, and bascially covering their own with filth.

    May you live in interesting times--Chinese curse

    by oldcrow on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:49:27 PM PDT

    •  well (0+ / 0-)

      there is the chance that Obama will reveal and school them in ways not available when the problem is fellow democrats that vote like republicans.

      clinton did.

      ... or I'll leave forever and never come back (and you'll be sorry).

      by GBCW on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 07:22:40 PM PDT

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  •  We should all get a good case of "ITIS" (1+ / 0-)
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    It's The Indomitability, Stupid.

    If we understood the power of indomitability, the waters would part for our every step. I think this diary, in its own way, is pointing to that awakening.

    Indomitability is not subject to collapse due to self concerned storylines about the current conditions. It is a relentless force that keeps moving forward, no matter what the setbacks.

    So whether we do 'well', 'poor', or 'meh', let's be indomitable, not just reactive to the storylines presented to is. Confidence ebbs and flows because it often comes from our opinions about what is happening but indomitability comes from the deeper source of our being.

    Cynicism is voter suppression we do to ourselves. h/t Errol

    by kafkananda on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:55:58 PM PDT

  •  Are there really 50 Tea Party happy (0+ / 0-)

    Republicans in the House for the next Congress?

  •  This war could erupt sooner than we think (2+ / 0-)
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    I can't believe that Bronze Tanner Boehner is going to be Speaker of the House.  Heck, I'm surprised the GOP would want him to be Speaker.  He's shown no effective ability to govern other than to scream NO! at the top of his lungs.

    Nancy Pelosi was one of the most effective Speakers of the House we have had in a long time, and she worked tirelessly to advance the Democratic agenda, even working long hour to twist the arms of Blue Dogs and ConservaDems to get bills passed.  But it's well know up on Capitol Hill that John Boehner loves to spend more time in the tanning beds, the golf courses, and the local D.C. watering holes than he does actually legislating on the House floor.  I'd love to see him try to reign in all of those Tea Bagger congresspeople from trying to shut down the government.  My guess is he will be in way over his head.

  •  Alternate quote! (0+ / 0-)


    I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat.  -- Will Rogers

    Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

    by lostboyjim on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 05:25:46 PM PDT

  •  Even the orange guy (1+ / 0-)
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    knows Bachmann is nuts. The establishment Repubs are very nervous about these teabagging interlopers, IMHO. I too believe that a civil war is going to erupt among the house Repubs. The leadership is used to having everyone fall in line when they say so, and the 'baggers aren't going to do it.

    Pass the popcorn, and I'll take another cold one too. This is going to be entertaining.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 05:38:31 PM PDT

  •  They right-wing activists will likely (1+ / 0-)
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    fall in line quickly.  The "Tea Party" is not a separate entity, it is just a re-branding.

    If you are counting on them actually bucking the GOP on the basis their (alleged) principles, you may want to come up with a Plan B.

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