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I didn't believe the polls that told us how horribly vulnerable Midwestern Democrats would prove to be in the midterm. Now, with the acuity of hindsight, I guess I might have seen it coming. It's been coming on for years, of course, as the Republican Party prostituted itself to a few elements of Christian dogma while exploiting fear of crime and people of color to wrest the formerly Democratic "Solid South" into the GOP fold. The most virulent form of this phenomenon is seen in the South as coalitions of fundamentalist Young Earthers, Evolution Deniers, Climate Change Deniers, Holocaust Deniers, Muslim Haters, Gay Haters, Racists and other fellow travelers have joined into a solid, enthusiastic and reliable voting block for Republican candidates who openly espouse extremely anti-American ideas as they continue to push for a theocratic America.  

Hindsight suggest that maybe I should have seen it coming. I worked and traveled in political circles in one of those now solidly Red states for most of the 1980s. At the beginning, all the statewide offices were Democrats, including my boss, and both Houses of the Legislature were controlled by the Democrats. The state had only 2 Republican Governors in its entire modern history. But that was changing. Starting in the late 1980's a flood of theocratic, red poison began to tilt state politics increasingly, and at an accelerating pace, converting the state from what political scientists call a modified one party state Democrat, into a modified one party state, Republican.  That's what I saw happening around me as I sailed the waters of state politics in the 80's.  

I moved my family even deeper into the South in the 90's and saw the same trend occurring and accelerating there as well. Churches and church issue dominating state and local politics. Extremest and narrow minded thinking of pious Christian loons who know how to amplify their message begins to drown out any possibility of rational governance. Living conditions for working people begin to suffer as reactionary thinkers throttle back the ability of government to support important societal interests while simultaneously looting the public fisc to line the pockets of those who least need more money.

I should have foreseen the capability of this virulent politico-religious poison to make inroads into areas bordering the old Solid South, now solidly Republican. When I grew up there, my home state of Missouri was pretty solidly Democrat, with Stuart Symington and Tom Eagleton in the Senate and Democrats in Jefferson City.  It is no longer like that in Missouri, largely thanks to the appeal of the old time religion of Republican political tactics in the South which has made inroads in rural Missouri.  In the Midwest such influences have seeped into Ohio, particularly Southern Ohio and also leap-frogged to Wisconsin where they turned out to elect an utter loon to the Senate in place of the couragous Russ Feingold.

In the 19th Century, Missouri was a border state.  In the 18th Century George Washington and other slave owning Virginia planters coveted and invested heavily in the Ohio Valley and desired all of Ohio. These kinds of historical influences have ripples and don't really die out.

I was mostly content when I thought the Republican Party was on its way to becoming a regional rump party based in a solid red South. Hence, I am disturbed to see evidence of an expansion of this troublesome politico/religious phenomenon beyond the areas where it has thus far been most successful. I've always believed that Sinclair Lewis, in 1935, spoke prophetically in sayingthat if it happened in America, "Fascism will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a Bible."

I shiver more than a little when I perceive a political shift in favor of a lunatic fringe that wants to see a theocratic America abandon all of its traditional values and submit to religious dogma adhered to by only a few. I fear for my country.

Originally posted to LeftOfYou on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:04 PM PST.

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  •  I've Been Guest Musician in These Churches for 30 (19+ / 0-)

    years in the midwest. And frankly they were already on the campuses in the mid 1970's. Actually the first megachurch is a few miles from here in the rust belt, seating 5,000 and built in the 1950's. Yes the pastor was the generic Southern Baptist of the religious right.

    This is a very old story but tragically it needs telling now.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:09:29 PM PST

  •  According to (4+ / 0-)
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    election results, we did no worse in the Midwest than the rest of the country. On average, every Midwestern district shifted about 9 points to the GOP; in the rest of the country, it was 11 points to the GOP.

    People panic too much on this site.

    by thematt523 on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:12:32 PM PST

  •  The midwest has always been religiously (4+ / 0-)

    conservative. Kansas, Iowa, Indiana and so forth are the states have always been at the forefront of religious conservatism. Kansas is the poster child of that conservatism

    Don't give a damn a/t each & every politician currently alive in the US. Last time i voted for the top part of the ballot was 1972. Never missed SB election

    by Mutual Assured Destruction on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:12:40 PM PST

  •  If you have spent that much time in the South (12+ / 0-)

    I fail to understand your shock and outrage.  Anyone who grew up there knows this is how things work down there.  It never ceases to amaze me how liberals in their comfy progressive ivory towers on the coasts or in college towns are simply stunned by the influence of fundie Chritianity in the South.  They have no frame of reference in their own lives and so seem to doubt the veracity of those of us who have lived it for decades.  That fundie influence only grows because we liberals tend to give most Americans too much credit for the ability to discern truth from fear mongering, and fundie religion of any stripe trades on fear...

    No politician ever lost an election by underestimating the intelligence of the American public. PT Barnum, paraphrased...

    by jarhead5536 on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:13:46 PM PST

    •  That's my point. (7+ / 0-)
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      It is indeed "how it works down there".  My concern is that the influence may be spreading dangerously.  

      "If you are going to tell people the truth, be funny or they will kill you." Billy Wilder 1906 - 2002

      by LeftOfYou on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:17:32 PM PST

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      •  Your diary is timely. (2+ / 0-)
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        I just had this very conversation yet again with my mother last week after the election. I'm sending her a link to your diary.

        Not this mind and not this heart, I won't rot • Mumford & Sons

        by jayden on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:19:49 PM PST

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      •  But (3+ / 0-)
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        this fundie creep has been going on for decades.  Why start jumping up and down now?  I have long since given up trying to light that warning fire about frightened white people clinging to their guns and religion.  Oh, wait...

        No politician ever lost an election by underestimating the intelligence of the American public. PT Barnum, paraphrased...

        by jarhead5536 on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:21:50 PM PST

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        •  Uh, maybe (4+ / 0-)

          Why start jumping up and down now?  

          Because the country had a potentially trans-formative election resulting in an increase in the influence, beyond anything seen in modern American history, of theocratically inclined religious zealots?

          "If you are going to tell people the truth, be funny or they will kill you." Billy Wilder 1906 - 2002

          by LeftOfYou on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:41:21 PM PST

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        •  because the fire is spreading. (0+ / 0-)

          You've smelled smoke for years, and spotted the fire long ago, and you've been warning people there was a fire, and they've been ignoring you.

          Actually they haven't been ignoring you, they've been imagining that they can't fight the fire without a great big new Seagrave pumper that they can't possibly afford.  

          Now the fire is spreading and it's right up to their street, and they're starting to get real nervous.  

          It's time to teach them how to dig firebreak with hand tools, and how to put out the early embers with buckets of water, and how to use their garden hoses to keep their roofs and the sides of their houses wet and their yards sprinkled so little sparks won't catch.   It's time to teach firefighting skills they can use right now to save their houses.

      •  so then what are WE going to DO about THAT? (0+ / 0-)

        What we need to do is counteract that stuff with strong educational standards for science & math in the K-12, and apply those standards uniformly so that no private school or home schooling program can get accredited without meeting them.  

        Obama announced hiring of 10,000 new science & math teachers.  That works out to an average of 200 per state, don't know how they'll be distributed, but there needs to be a program to incentivize teachers to work in rural areas.  

        The way to fight fear-oriented superstition is with the awe of nature engendered by knowing the science and the math.  

      •  and one more thing: overt ridicule. (0+ / 0-)

        Whenever you hear people spouting extremist religion, fight back by using overt ridicule.

        For example:

        Them:  (something about creationism)

        You:  "You don't mean you actually believe the universe is six thousand years old, do you?"

        Them:  "Yep, the Bible said it, that settles it."

        You:  "So then God planted carbon 14 and the astronomical red shift to tempt us into sin?  Hahaaaahaaaaa!  You believe God is a paranoid fruitcake?!   Heeheeheeeee!"

  •  My home state just voted to remove (12+ / 0-)

    three state Supreme Court justices because of their ruling on marriage equality. The 'nutters and 'baggers are getting better and better at ginning up fear, division, and hatred. It's disgusting that people I once thought had decency and common sense are so easily manipulated by outside groups. I'm not painting the entire state with the same brush but the crazy brush is a hell of a lot bigger than it was when I lived there.

    Not this mind and not this heart, I won't rot • Mumford & Sons

    by jayden on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:15:09 PM PST

  •  I share this concern. My theory is that the (11+ / 0-)

    fundamentalism and social backwardation arrive first and then they buy into the fiscal conservatism crap by rote.

    I live in Georgia and all of my GOP-loving family members don't give a whit about the economy but they hate Democrats because of their church and latent racism/immigrant hatred.

    "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Thomas Paine

    by shrike on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:15:49 PM PST

  •  In Georgia, we pray for rain. (4+ / 0-)
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    But we are careful to consult Glenn Burns first. Now, let's all hold hands and bow our heads, Dear Lord, we don't come to you often for special favors, but seeing as how you haven't blessed us with so much as a drop of rain for going on four months, and the lake is drying up and real-estate prices are hanging in the balance, why we didn't think you would mind too much if we all got together and asked you for something outside of just normal blessing us and helping old grandma Idawith her arthiritis.......

  •  Underneath the skin of the midwest (11+ / 0-)

    the "South" is always waiting. Never forget the Klan's 20th century renaissance flowered in central Ohio.

    Shameless self-promo: songs at da web site!

    by Crashing Vor on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:24:45 PM PST

    •  I live in Northern Ohio. (6+ / 0-)

      In a city.  Last month, we spent a weekend down in Southern Ohio, just south of Dayton.  While I've been down that way many, many times in my life, I was shocked all over again at how it's really more like Kentucky then the rest of Ohio.  I think it's more so now.  I hate to be snarky and judgmental, but the radio stations almost seemed to be parodies.  Half the dial was filled up with fundamentalist/conservative stations.  

      •  Maybe there was something to Obama (2+ / 0-)
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        getting rural areas broadband.

        Not that it's going to matter much once they get it, as the Republicans are buying all the media.

        "Whenever you have truth it must be given with love, or the message and the messenger will be rejected" ~Mahatma Gandhi

        by Kiku on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:34:30 PM PST

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        •  This wasn't even in rural areas... (5+ / 0-)

          This was in the large metropolitan area comprised of Dayton, Cincinatti and every thing between.  I know that this has been a more conservative part of the state, but truly, I was shocked and came home doubtful about Strickland's prospects of winning.

          Rural areas.  Back in the summer, I went to stay a couple of days with my mother who lives in a small NW Ohio town.  Quite a rural area...at least 60 miles to the nearest urban area.  I grew up in this town, and while I know there are huge differences since I left 22 years ago, I was still a bit shocked and had a bit of a meltdown in Walmart.  You see, I had forgotten to bring a book along to read, and after checking the phone book, I discovered that Walmart was, in reality, the only store in the entire county in which I could purchase one.  Of course, I counted 19 conservative titles and not a single liberal or even quasi liberal title to be found.  Not even any supposedly non-partisan analysis kind of titles.

      •  I used to live in Westchester (1+ / 0-)
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        Just south of Middletown Ohio.

        Very, very, very, conservative down there.

        Now I live in South Dakota.

        I would love to live in a liberal bastion before I die.

        When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix

        by Dave B on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:37:40 PM PST

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        •  Well, as crazy as it sounds, (4+ / 0-)

          you could move to Toledo...of course, I'm not quite sure what you'd do for a job...but, we really are quite liberal.  A whole swathe of Ohio between Toledo and Cleveland and down towards Youngstown.  Some pundit or other said back in 2008 that this section of Ohio was more like the Northeast than the rest of the midwest or even the rust belt politically.

          •  Which is funny, (2+ / 0-)
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            because when you cross the order into Monroe County, MI, it's not exactly a progressive paradise.

            Americans do not burn books.

            by Rustbelt Dem on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 08:00:28 PM PST

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            •  Too funny... (3+ / 0-)
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              I just posted about Monroe County downthread.

              We joke about it.  Sad, but true.  Stuff goes on there that would put us in the "big city" to shame, let me tell you.  It does still seem to vote democratic, though.  Go figure.  Left over from union times, I suppose...not that I'm complaining.

              •  When we think about it (1+ / 0-)
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                up in the Metro Detroit area, we laugh about it as well.  It does look like there was a big GOP wave through that county this time, and that area was a source of strength for the odious Rob Steele (who lost to John Dingell because of Ann Arbor and West Dearborn).  Maybe Nate's story about an "aligning" election is accurate there.  

                Americans do not burn books.

                by Rustbelt Dem on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 08:06:18 PM PST

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                •  Could be. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Until the real estate crash, Monroe County was growing at breakneck speed as a suburb of Toledo.  Many areas were becoming somewhat upscale.  I think if that had continued, we'd see progress there for democrats, or at least they would hold their own.  

                  I don't like disparaging communities, by and large, but I tell you, that place is something else.  I don't say this with an urban bias, as I grew up in a small town in NW Ohio.  However, my father tried to live in Monroe when he was in his twenties and couldn't deal with it.  And that was back in the 1940's.  A peculiar place.

                  •  One joke (1+ / 0-)
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                    When Custer left, he said: "Don't change a thing." And they haven't.  

                    You talking about Temperance and Bedford Township?  

                    Americans do not burn books.

                    by Rustbelt Dem on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 08:13:57 PM PST

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                    •  Yup. (2+ / 0-)
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                      Bedford Township was growing quite a bit until a couple of years ago.  However, the oddities linger.  Even up close to Ann Arbor.  

                      Yeah...really, we've said it over and over...how many towns celebrate a genocidal loser?  It kinda says it all.

                      And, I joke, but you know, back in the late 60's and throughout the 70's, we used to visit relatives in Monroe and it didn't seem so bad.  Still, though, even then my dad used to say that it was the meanest place he had ever seen.  And he's a Korean War veteran.

      •  what to do about that: (0+ / 0-)

        See Fishgrease's diaries on legal "pirate" FM radio techniques.

        If the hate stations are on FM as well as AM, then make a tape loop of someone saying something overtly sexual but PG-rated at worst, and broadcast that from your car during rush-hour traffic, so other cars pick it up.  If you can rig a transmitter to sweep the FM dial with it, that would be even cooler.  

        Something overtly sexual:  "Major health problems occur when people don't have enough orgasms.  Have you had an orgasm within the last 48 hours?  If not, you need to have one.  An orgasm a day keeps the doctor away!"   (Use a computer-synthesized voice for that.)

    •  The Klan in Wisconsin (2+ / 0-)
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      Standing behind the image of the fat, happy, drunk Green Bay Packer fan is the Wisconsin history of the Klan.
      http://murphylibrary.uwlax.edu/...

    •  I still find it offensive that your (0+ / 0-)

      reference point of "bad" is still the South. The "South" is not waiting under the skin of the Midwest. There is a dark side of the Midwest waiting under the skin of the Midwest. This is true of any region given the right circumstances.

  •  The Rust Belt outside of a few cities is dying. (1+ / 0-)
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    Even Cleveland's depopulated so bear that in mind.

    The population is aging and older Americans are whiter, more religious and more conservative as a whole.

    Oregon has two distinctly Republican regions... the cold, humid, forested hills and mountains in its south and the vast high desert and pine forests of the eastern 2/3rds of the state. Two thirds of progressive, green Oregon is overwhelmingly conservative dryland alone! But the east, south and rural areas in the west have become a marginal influence in Oregon.

    In Ohio and Pennsylvania, they've become stronger.

    The midwest is half caught in that rust belt too, so don't be too troubled. I grew up with a parent from Missouri and have seen the particularly hostile form of racist conservatism from Missouri up close.

    Speaker Boehner, where are the jobs? -9.38, -5.18

    by Nulwee on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:28:30 PM PST

    •  Ohio, Pennsylvania, upstate New York, (3+ / 0-)
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      and other states are losing population.  And becoming older.  And, 23 percent of those who bothered to show up to vote were past 65.  

      And many of these states are really two or three or more "states" wrapped into one.  Certainly the case with Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Illinois, New York and probably others as well.  

      And rural areas in all states are becoming less affluent and dare I say, more backwards.  I attribute this in the Rust Belt states to the decline of labor unions in these smaller towns.

      •  Very late to the conversation..... (0+ / 0-)

        I would argue that the rural areas are becoming more 'backwards' more due to the lack of access to the internet, public library funding, and in some cases even access to a variety of tv and/or radio.  They're being left behind in the information age because they can't necessarily get to the information.

    •  Until climate change (2+ / 0-)
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      makes parts of the country uninhabitable for lack of water.  Then having more than 20% of the world's freshwater supply might be a benefit...

      Americans do not burn books.

      by Rustbelt Dem on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 08:02:26 PM PST

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  •  Demographics may be our only chance (3+ / 0-)
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    There's certainly no way to reach these people.  They live in a bubble where everything they know is shaped by a totalistic ideology with easy answers for everything that tells them that their shitty lives are both a privileged shortcut to Heaven as well as entirely the fault of everyone who isn't just like them.

    Unfortunately, the Religious Right is actually working very hard to build a rainbow coalition of fundies of all colors in case their bet on white fails

  •  The Family (5+ / 0-)

    I don't know if this is all directed by the Family, but there are very strong movements toward making their plan real.

    Money from Blackwater, and I assume other military contractors, flows back into the churches

    "Whenever you have truth it must be given with love, or the message and the messenger will be rejected" ~Mahatma Gandhi

    by Kiku on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:38:57 PM PST

  •  Here we go again with south-bashing (1+ / 0-)
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    Because there are no racist in the North.  The racist militias are all in Idaho^H^H^H^H^H the South, oh yeah.  The North is lily white, only those god damn southerners fuck everything up.

    Get over it.  It's all over the nation.  The midwest has been like this for decades.  If you would quit this "THEM" think, maybe there could be a purple state every now and then.

    Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

    by lostboyjim on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:40:43 PM PST

    •  Michigan. (1+ / 0-)
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      Just over the border from me.  They are all over there and have been since the late 80's.

      •  Racists have been in Michigan since well before.. (4+ / 0-)
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        ...the late 1980s; the KKK was very active here at one point (their Grand Dragon even lived in Livingston County, one of the epicenters of social conservatism in the Southeastern side of the state), and there are still older Catholics and children from immigrant families who remember crosses being burned in their lawns.  The Detroit metropolitan area is very racially segregated, and "Detroit" is often political code for black during campaign season.  

        We also have a lot of people whose parents and grandparents were southerners, by virtue of attracting economic migrants during the height of the automobile industry, including white southerners.  Not that the indigenous midwesterners are more averse to racism, mind you.

        "All along the watchtower, princes kept the view..."

        by Alec82 on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:56:17 PM PST

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        •  My husband works in the (4+ / 0-)
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          area between Ann Arbor and the state line.  Monroe County is known as "little Claiborne" because so many of it's residents hail from that county in Tennessee.  However, while backwards in many ways, they keep voting democratic.  Left overs from the union days plus the fact that they are now suburban Toledo, I suppose.

          Other areas?  I don't know.  But the militias are going strong.  Living across the border in Toledo, I can tell you that things go on there in those small towns that our urban area cannot hold a light to.  

        •  Also in Western Michigan (5+ / 0-)

          Grand Rapids is home base for Amway which at the core is a very RW bunch that loves to associate with the evangelical money preachers of America.  They have been at it for over 50 years with a goal to change America back to the good old days.    

          •  Amway was (6+ / 0-)

            the seed money for Blackwater as well, IIRC.  Erik Prince is Dick DeVos' brother-in-law.

            Americans do not burn books.

            by Rustbelt Dem on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 08:11:21 PM PST

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            •  I knew of the family connection (5+ / 0-)

              but I am not sure how much they fund Blackwater.  The DeVos family foundations do fund RW think tanks and causes to the tunes of millions over the years.  Rich DeVos(co-founder of Amway) was at one time President of the Council for National Policy(very powerful and very extreme RW oganization) but I am not sure if he or any of his sons are members now.
              Some people find it hard to believe that Amway is really a political and religious organization fronting as a business opportunity,  but they have been fleecing naive people for years and funding RW propaganda and causes.

              •  Horrible flashbacks. (3+ / 0-)
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                Back nearly 20 years ago, my in laws got sucked in by Amway.  Went to the conventions and the whole nine yards.  Very odd, those conventions...lots of chanting slogans and the like.  Anyway, we went to visit them one day and they ambushed us by having their Amway friends there for a presentation geared towards getting us sucked in.  Now, I was nine months pregnant at the time, with our sixth child.  Not only was I pregnant, I was, unknowingly, in the first stages of a progressive chronic illness.  I totally lost it on my in laws...why they thought I had time to go door to door evangelizing for Amway, I don't know...I could barely put one foot in front of the other and was expecting a baby at any time.  

                They didn't talk to us for weeks.  The power of Amway is pretty damn strong.

                •  sorry to hear (5+ / 0-)

                  Sadly,  your situation is not uncommon.   Amway people are told to disassociate from skeptics and critics,  even if they are family.      My experience with them comes from being on a production crew years ago.  One of the leading motivational organizations in Amway used to have rallies in Arenas where the production level was way beyond a small hotel meeting room and they had to hire outside people to stage the event.    I had heard of Amway but never knew what it was or even that there were people stupid enough to listen to that shit.    Nothing but a bunch of RW scam artists.

                  •  Amway: dangerous cult; and the DeVos.... (0+ / 0-)

                    .... dangerous cult-leaders.

                    Someone needs to put the DeVos under a microscope, 360-degree surveillance and total coverage 24/7, to find ANYTHING that can be used against them in any possible way, and then USE IT.  

                    Civil lawsuits, criminal complaints, political smears, exposes in the press, anything and everything, the whole nine yards.

                    They aren't perfect: they will make mistakes, and our job is to catch them and make sure they do not wriggle away.  

                •  Yes, exactly. (3+ / 0-)
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                  The thing that is hard for me to explain as a Michigander to out-of-staters is just how accepted that state of affairs is on the West Side of the state.  

                  Americans do not burn books.

                  by Rustbelt Dem on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 08:36:25 PM PST

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        •  Oh yeah, (1+ / 0-)
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          never underestimate the Michigan GOP to in their ability to play the race hate game.  And yes, I'm looking at you L. Brooks.

          Americans do not burn books.

          by Rustbelt Dem on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 08:17:03 PM PST

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    •  Well I grew up in Athens, Ga (2+ / 0-)
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      Southerners bash the rest of the country like they had won the war and supported it for 150 years.

      But you are right.  Identity political alignment is mindless and destructive.

      "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Thomas Paine

      by shrike on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:50:40 PM PST

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  •  There are several reasons for the fundie shift (3+ / 0-)
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    Like others have said, you have a lot of rural populations in the Rust Belt which have lost a large number of well-paying jobs to outsourcing and automation, plus these same depressed areas are becoming smaller, whiter, older, poorer, and because of the loss of the economic base, more fearful.  And when you have a scared base of people, they will look for any type of savior to bail them out of their misery.  Ideally, that savior would a progressive type like a Martin Luther King or Cesar Chavez, but increasingly its become a bunch of right-wing charlatans who use these people to spread fear and hate against others for their own self-serving purposes.

  •  From Missouri & You Blame the South? (5+ / 0-)

    The Assemblies of God denomination is headquartered in Springfield MO. They are influential beyond their numbers. Part of their influence is in spreading the doctrine of Biblical inerrancy. This is a convenient doctrine for those that would rule. And one that the Bible itself does not require believers to believe.

    The Bible in the Biblical inerrancy camp is used as a sex manual far out of proportion to the space the Bible devotes to sex. Usury is seldom or never mentioned in churches built around the concept of Biblical inerrancy. The Achilles heel of Biblical inerrancy is the Bible itself.

    best,

    john

    I support socialized water

    by jabney on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:58:43 PM PST

  •  As far as Southern influence in the midwest, (1+ / 0-)
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    we must remember that Southern Ohio,Indiana and Illinois were settled from the South and during the Civil War,this was "Copperhead" country. Those areas never had larger Eastern and Southern European immigration and strong unions either.

    In the industrial midwest which was settled from New England and the mid atlantic states,there was a large migration of Southerners from 1940 to 1965 when the auto,steel and rubber industries were at their peak,so its not surprising that Southern evangelical influence is strong in the midwest.

  •  Old time Religionists are dying off (0+ / 0-)

    and not reproducing enough of their kids to go Old Testament to replace the ones lost.  

    There is always a better way.

    by Pilgrim X on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 09:34:29 PM PST

  •  Religion - or jobs? (0+ / 0-)
    Sorry; I maintain that the reason dems lost in the midterms in the midwest is jobs.  

    For example MI, which has been hurt the worst.  The incumbant gov is a D.  Why is it irrational for voters to want to give the Rs a try?  Stop with all YOUR reasons why it's like cutting your wrists to vote for a R.  There are counties with 25% employment for cripes sake, so the calculus becomes very simple: the Ds failed over 8, 12 years to fix things.  Let's give the other guys a try, 'cause the incumbants sure aren't getting it done.  

    The Republican motto: I've got mine. Screw you.

    by leu2500 on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 04:33:49 AM PST

  •  Please read Kevin Phillips (0+ / 0-)

    the architect of the republican renaissance. He explains it very clearly...and it was written years ago!

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