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It's been interesting watching GOPers offer conflicting explanations for why they bailed on Thursday's "bipartisan" meeting on tax cuts.

Broadly speaking, there's been two stories. First, they said it was a simple scheduling conflict:

Don Stewart, a spokesman for McConnell (R-Ky.), said earlier that the meeting "was never confirmed in the first place." Stewart added: "The meeting will happen, the schedulers just haven't confirmed the date/time yet. Nobody 'pulled out.' " ... "It's just a packed week," Stewart said.

Hmmm. Somehow you gotta' figure that even in "a packed week" the GOP leadership could find the time to meet with POTUS if they wanted to. Where there's a will there's a way, and obviously they had no interest in doing the meeting this week.

Politico then reported the GOP's second explanation for bailing on the meeting: that they were afraid of getting their asses kicked by Obama like they did last January.

Behind delayed summit: Republican distrust of President Obama

The roots of the partisan standoff that led to the postponement of the bipartisan White House summit scheduled for Thursday date back to January, when President Barack Obama dominated a GOP meeting in Baltimore and delivered a humiliating rebuke to House Republicans.

The one-sided televised presidential lecture, which many Republicans decried as a political ambush — Obama’s staff wanted the event to be broadcast and GOP aides agreed reluctantly at the last minute — has left a lingering distrust of Obama invitations and a wariness about accommodating every scheduling request emanating from the West Wing, aides tell POLITICO.

But as Josh Marshall pointed out, that explanation makes little sense because it was Republicans who requested Obama's presence in January, not the White House. Not only does this explanation fail on its own merits, it doesn't explain why Republicans were willing to attend the health care summit in February.

Moreover, unlike before the previous two meetings, this time around President Obama had essentially given up the fight on the main issue at hand: whether or not to continue current tax policy. In January and February, Obama was still fighting for health care reform, and every indication was that he was going to succeed. This time, every indication has been that the GOP position on tax cuts will prevail. So the GOP really had nothing to fear -- on the key issue, they had already won.

And that right there is the best explanation for why the GOP postponed Thursday's meeting. They believe they have already won the tax cut debate -- so they had nothing to gain from meeting about it. That's why they are already recasting the content of the meeting to be about other topics -- no more mention of tax cuts. Now it's about cutting spending. And they've scheduled it to take place one day before the deficit commission releases its final report. That's no accident. It's a plan, and it's smart. I don't agree with what they're fighting for, but there's no question that they're fighting for it. And they are taking every inch that's given them and making the most out of it.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:20 AM PST.

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  •  the WH is so desperate for bipartisanship (25+ / 0-)

    they called the rescheduling of this meeting a sign of bipartisanship.

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/...

    From NBC's Mike Viqueira
    The so-dubbed "Slurpee Summit" between Republican leaders and President Barack Obama may have been postponed, but the White House is going out of its way to say that the rescheduling isn’t due to frosty relations between the two parties.

    In today’s White House briefing, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs went out of his way to play down any conflict with GOP Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Republican leader John Boehner over the rescheduling of the meeting, which was originally planned for Thursday. The meeting is intended to address issues that Congress will take up during its lame duck session – including the possible extension of the Bush tax cuts.

    "Bipartisanship has happened," Gibbs said of the meeting.

    The fact that GOP leaders and the White House were able to agree on a new date – November 30 -- is a sign of cooperation, he said.

    "We're flexible. We're ready to sit down tomorrow, or on the 30th," he said.

    I work with B2B PAC, and all views and opinions in this account are my own.

    by slinkerwink on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:21:24 AM PST

  •  'scheduling conflict' is the political version (5+ / 0-)

    of spending more time with the family when you quit!

  •  The Republicans' fear makes no sense (1+ / 0-)
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    GreatDane

    unless they believe that Obama would get them drunk, put on a horned helmet, pull out an axe, cry "Odiiiiiiiin!" and proceed to slaughter them all.

    I prefer the alternate explanation that they're full of crap.

    Iuris praecepta sunt haec: Honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere. - Ulpian, Digestae 1, 3

    by Dauphin on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:22:56 AM PST

  •  At a certain point its not idiocy or wimpery (6+ / 0-)
    Its that they deliberately want the same thing.

    We tend to approach these fights like Obama wants the same outcome as we do.

    How long until we realize he's just not that into us?

    The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. --George Orwell

    by jgkojak on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:23:15 AM PST

  •  It's an intentional snub. (9+ / 0-)

    The message is "In Your Face."

    He can't let this go by without losing more credibility, more "face" to the Republicans. He must respond forcefully, IMHO.

    "Ridicule may lawfully be employed where reason has no hope of success." -7.75/-6.05

    by QuestionAuthority on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:23:49 AM PST

  •  Chickenshit Repubs remember having their asses (2+ / 0-)
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    BarackStarObama, MartyM
    handed to them by President Obama during the healthcare summit. That's why they're "distrustful" of him.

    Democracy for America, still the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.

    by boofdah on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:25:18 AM PST

  •  I think Repubs are trying to sort out... (1+ / 0-)
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    lostinamerica

    ... their new Tea priorities. Just need time to put their house in order?

    hink

    Hyperbole will be the death of us all!

    by MrHinkyDink on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:25:53 AM PST

  •  They're just f-ing with him (6+ / 0-)
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    GreatDane, Treg, TomP, beltane, Juliann, MartyM

    They know they have the upper hand.  At this point he should just tell them to shove it.  

    We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn't want to meet. -Stephen Hawking

    by satanicpanic on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:26:01 AM PST

  •  it's about branding Obama as weak (3+ / 0-)

    Or should I say weaker as he's already branded himself as weak. Let's hope there are 40 votes in the Senate to stop the next two years from happening as Obama doesn't have the spine to veto.

    If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

    by jgnyc on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:26:20 AM PST

  •  Third explanation (4+ / 0-)
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    Treg, PinHole, Wharton, Mebby

    Cowardly game-playing by the lowest life forms on the planet. In the middle of the biggest economic crisis since the Depression, the Teapublicans have taken every opportunity to make the situation worse. This is just more of the same from people devoid of compassion and a conscience.

    Be radical in your compassion.

    by DWG on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:27:21 AM PST

  •  No matter what the real reason for... (10+ / 0-)

    delay, it is extremely disrespectful to President Obama... period.

    I propose a toast, knowing that our ties subsist because they are not of iron or steel or even of gold, but of the silken cords of the human spirit. 11/9/10

    by BarackStarObama on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:27:29 AM PST

  •  I think they're afraid of another worldclass (2+ / 0-)
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    Greg in TN, mirandasright

    spanking.

    Bullies are always cowards that way.

    No more Mr. Nice Guy . . .

    by thenekkidtruth on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:28:21 AM PST

    •  I'd love to see President Obama give them another (4+ / 0-)

      world class spanking by pulling a Bartlet and Walking to the hill to see them.

      Remember that from West Wing?

      When Bartlet **WALKS** to the Hill (with entourage, of course) and the Republicans he went to talk to can't get it together and make him wait outside... Then Josh has the brilliant idea for their whole crew to just get up and walk out.

      "Bartlet walks to the Hill and republicans refuse to talk to him."

      Call. Their. Bluff.

  •  A sign of disrespect (5+ / 0-)
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    Dillonfence, Treg, TomP, Mr MadAsHell, MartyM

    But you can't say that Obama didn't bring it on himself.

    "We have to deal with the world as we find it." The rallying cry of Vichy Dems.

    by Paleo on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:28:42 AM PST

    •  Disrespect (1+ / 0-)
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      QueenAlli

      When did we all become such gangsta-wannabes that we have to view everything through this stupid, puffed-up Scarface/blaxploitation idea of "disrespect"?  Why not say that the Republicans are running scared from their own meeting?  Is there any less evidence of that?  Except that if that were true we'd have to stop jerking each other off while pretending we're all such badasses, unlike the president?

  •  Somebody always has to try and put (9+ / 0-)

    some fancy explanation on things involving republicans when the fact is they are committed to be sociopaths, liars, molesters, thieves, and unhealthy for all living things.

    The GOP is JUST BEING SHITTY - it's what they do.

    I wish people would stop acting like the GOP has a point, has a right to act like they do, like they are actually "OK" and not supremely fucked up and constantly scheming how to fuck you, me and everybody else.

    And the are NOT going to cooperate with Obama. What part of this can't people grasp?????

    The GOP should be cut out of any decision loop, marginalized and treated JUST like the GOP treats the Dems.

    Too bad Dems are made of cheap, artificially-flavored ice cream.

    America legalized torture before they legalized marijuana.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:30:18 AM PST

  •  Politico: The Most Busted Name In Ruse. (4+ / 0-)
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    Greg in TN, Treg, agnostic, temptxan

    Seriously - these folks are to political reporting what John McCain is to integrity.

    When Republicans say "The American People" they're not talking about us.

    by here4tehbeer on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:30:21 AM PST

  •  The Republicans are already (2+ / 0-)
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    PinHole, coffejoe

    successfully pushing the lie that Pres. Obama somehow wandered into that last meeting uninvited and hijacked it, and that is why they are not comfortable with another meeting.

    Translation of dog whistle: The uppity Black usurper crashed a meeting of his betters where he wasn't wanted and didn't belong.  

  •  The tax fight isn't over at all (2+ / 0-)
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    mirandasright, QueenAlli

    Nancy Pelosi just won to be the minority leader and she isn't going to accept anything less than permanent tax cuts for the middle class.

    Jim Manley: "Republicans are making love to Wall Street, while the people on Main Street are getting screwed."

    by Drdemocrat on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:31:41 AM PST

  •  fear. (2+ / 0-)
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    PinHole, mirandasright

    Right now, they can preen, pump their own egos, make threats, demand the ridiculous, and have free face time on CNN and Faux.

    If they meet the meat by pressing the flesh with the president, all of a sudden, that hot streak they are one comes to a roaring halt. screeching halt?? Anyway, it stops.

    For one thing, if it is televised, he will make them look stupid by comparison. If it is not televised, the few brave Dems with a spine can point and claim, CHICKEN!   Wait a sec. What am I saying? Democrats with a spine?  

    Strike that last statement.

    They hate him, but they know he has the power to embarrass them. So, they fear him or at least his ability to take away their bit of fun right now.

    don't worry. In one month, the GOP will concoct a new meme about how the president refuses to work with them, and it is all his fault.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:31:48 AM PST

  •  O/T Pelosi 150-43 (5+ / 0-)
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    Greg in TN, Treg, agnostic, beltane, temptxan

    Meanwhile, Nate Silver says Nancy Pelosi is perhaps the most unpopular politician in America.

    The Land of Assbackwardness.

    Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

    by Scarce on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:31:58 AM PST

  •  . (1+ / 0-)
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    Greg in TN

    Photobucket

    Purity over effectiveness is highly overrated

    by SpamNunn on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:32:07 AM PST

  •  But wait... there's more! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Greg in TN, talismanlangley

  •  They are softening up Obama... (2+ / 0-)
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    PinHole, coffejoe

    for the big upper cut in 2012. Basically, they will lead him around for the next couple of years, he'll keep crying for "bi partisanship" as if anyone outside the fucking WH cares about that, and he'll capitulate to everything they ask for. In the meantime, Obama will be recast as Jimmy Carter v.2 - weak and ineffective.

    Basically, Obama is getting played and he probably knows it.

  •  "Already won" (2+ / 0-)
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    Wharton, mirandasright

    They believe they have already won the tax cut debate -- so they had nothing to gain from meeting about it.

    Do you think if you just keep repeating this it will magically become true?  You're just trying to keep the outrage stoked, HuffPo/FDL style.  

    This whole place is a cartoon of itself.  It's pseudo-left Sean Hannity at this point.

  •  The GOP Plan, in a nutshell (2+ / 0-)
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    Greg in TN, Treg

    "Make Me".

    America legalized torture before they legalized marijuana.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:34:55 AM PST

  •  news flash: Politico (0+ / 0-)

    is making shit up again.

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:36:50 AM PST

  •  when will the WH get it ? (1+ / 0-)
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    Treg

    The GOP wants absolutely nothing to do with BIPARTISANSHIP

    The GOP is now taking their orders from the teabaggers.

    Come on, just give a big pull and get your collective WH heads out of your asses.

  •  And yet, Obama fails to capitalize on this. (1+ / 0-)
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    brooklynbadboy

    Yet again. How clueless are these folks?

  •  Maybe. OR... (1+ / 0-)
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    FlipYrWhig

    They aren't winning the debate on tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires. They'd like the dust to settle on that issue before running the vaccuum cleaner in the house again.

    They rely on stealth moves for unpopular legislation and they winnably bank on the public's short attention span to pass it every time.

    I believe this is all a sign they can't pass unpopular tax legislation in the current climate. They need time to frame it and propagandize it. They also need time to herd their Tea-cats before they get scratched.

    Sometimes Dkos can be a little too "chcken little" in conjecture and construct; which is great for activism on issues, but skews morale and gets a little too "Misery Lady" for me.

  •  I think they have nothing to propose (2+ / 0-)
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    a lynn, QueenAlli

    and are not confident in their ability to counter the president.  They have a lot to be ashamed for and they are acting if that's the case.

    We've got serious work to do. Health care and civil rights for all, please!

    by the dogs sockpuppet on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:41:39 AM PST

  •  Good Article--Please Read (0+ / 0-)
    GOP: Bush tax cuts for rich take priority over budget deficit
    http://www.allvoices.com/...
  •  "They are fighting for it" (0+ / 0-)

    What is the WH fighting for?

    Do not adjust your mind, there is a flaw in reality.

    by Shrew in Shrewsbury on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:42:55 AM PST

  •  The GOP is certainly playing it well in my view. (3+ / 0-)
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    TJ, Treg, coffejoe

    Every day, they run down the clock, increasing the pressure. The longer they wait, the greater their hand. They don't really care about tax policy. They care about handing this president another political defeat, even if he wins on the policy.

    What is great about this is that they have him beat on the policy AND the politics. This apolitical White House, which doesn't believe in offense, continues to get outsmarted by the wily and crafty McConnell.

    If it were me running the GOP, my next move would be to capitalize on the November unemployment number to demand additional corporate tax breaks in return for unemployment benefits extension of two or three months.

    a spook who sits by the door

    by brooklynbadboy on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:43:33 AM PST

  •  I think it's more deliberate insult (6+ / 0-)
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    TJ, OLinda, Treg, PinHole, lostinamerica, renior

    to Pres Obama, personally. I've been reading the RW blogs & comments, and Twitter #tcot, and the base is thrilled at the contempt shown in this snub. All the reasons listed above, but also meat for base.

    There WILL be drug testing.

    by anninla on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:43:43 AM PST

    •  Snub (0+ / 0-)

      I know this is a kee-razee idea, but maybe we shouldn't give them the satisfaction of acting like it's a Huge! Important! Snub!

      •  It's worse than a snub (1+ / 0-)
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        coffejoe

        It's a genuine strategy.  Kill two weeks out of a limited time period with no consequences whatsoever.  And I'd give odds Nov 29 they tell Obama to pound sand.

        •  Why not... (0+ / 0-)

          ...in that case rally your hugely important online community to rage at Republicans for stalling and being babies, rather than railing at the president for being on the receiving end of a "snub" as though it's something he did to himself?

          •  Didn't vote for Republicans (0+ / 0-)

            Pretty sure they don't read DailyKOS.  PR time is over, and if Obama doesn't start doing good policy it will be too late for him.

          •  Cuz "We Can't control Republicans" (0+ / 0-)

            Or, at least, we're not responsible for what Republicans say, do, or plan.

            Whereas, people who vote Democrat, work Democrat and contribute Democrat might be hanging on to some shred of the illusion that Mr. B is still reading his mail ... or at least the abstracts the interns  prepare for him to read.

            Just to be clear ... we started with this Barack Obama hoping he'd be another FDR, another JFK, another LBJ -- an effective, transformative  President.

            OK ... that was before the Great Recession ...

            Then we were PRAYING he'd be another FDR etc etc

            So "hope" became "disappointment"
            Disappointment became disapproval
            and disapproval is maturing to a fine old sense of "having been flat-out betrayed."

            Now, the question is: Did he intend to sell out his Base from the start ... or was he persuaded a couple of days before Inauguration.

            •  This space (0+ / 0-)

              We can't vent against Republicans in this space, you're right.  But we can vent against Republicans in letters to the editor, phone calls, etc.  We can call Democratic offices and tell them to knock some sense into Republicans.  But one thing that's definitely going to have no constructive effect is using this space to amplify the sense that the president is a wuss who never fights even when he's been dissed.  And one more thing that's definitely going to have even less constructive effect is going out of our way to find examples of disrespect going un-fought just for the purposes of complaining that they exist.

  •  Here is a true bipartisan item, for real (4+ / 0-)
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    88kathy, zmom, bsmechanic, coffejoe

    Low-power community radio. We should all take a moment to act on this one:

    http://act2.freepress.net/...

    Call for Local Radio

    Unlikely bedfellows including Barack Obama, John McCain, Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders
    have united in support of the Local Community Radio Act. But the bill, which could create thousands of new local radio stations across the country, has been stopped in its tracks by secret holds in the Senate.

    We need your help to get the Senate to pass this important bipartisan bill. Please call your senator now, and urge Congress to pass the Local Community Radio Act now.

    Emphasis is mine.

    Who could ask for anything more? Unfortunately, it seems that somebody has a secret hold on it.

    ACTION needed today. Thank you.

    Media Reform Action Link http://stopbigmedia.com/

    by LNK on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:44:12 AM PST

  •  a slide down the slurpee slope (0+ / 0-)

    with cat food

    Now that the Blue Dogs are out, can we get the Democratic Party started?

    by 88kathy on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:44:25 AM PST

  •  Democrats can learn much by watching (3+ / 0-)
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    Treg, PinHole, brooklynbadboy

    how the Republicans do things.   Even if they're wrong (which is all the time) they double down, they all stay on message, and they don't fold like a cheap suit before the debate even begins.

    As I've said before:  Strong Evil Vs. Weak Good.

    Social Security is my line in the sand. Oppose it, and I oppose you.

    by Beelzebud on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:45:23 AM PST

  •  the gop are doing this just to be rude (0+ / 0-)

    since they never feel the sting of a rebuke by the press or public when they are outrageous and rude and cross the line, are in fact rewarded, why should they be civil?
    They were brought to power by lies, obstruction, being so over the top rude and nasty that it works for them.
    And since the press always bends over backwards to accomodate, excuse and fawn over them, they never pay the price.
    So, why should this be any different?

  •  Fact when you know someone will cave and (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    coffejoe
    come Crawling on their knees begging YOU CAN TREAT THEM HOWEVER YOU DAMN WELL PLEASE.
    •  has zero to do with your perceived 'cave' (0+ / 0-)

      has zero to with any of the things that so many on the left love to point to.
      It is because republican NEVER pay for their rudeness, their crossing all lines of civility.
      there are double standards and the gop rules them because they have cowered the press.
      Until they face rebuke publicly they will behave this way.
      they are just continuing their rude and ugly behavior as they always act and get rewarded for.

  •  GOP=spoiled kids (0+ / 0-)
    Obama admin=over lenient parents
  •  Had a Glee moment there (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    WiddieDawg

    When I read the headline, my first thought was that the Republicans were shying away from having a Slurpee thrown in their face.

    --Mr. President, you have to earn my vote every day. Not take it for granted. --

    by chipoliwog on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:51:52 AM PST

  •  If they ever show up... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    coffejoe

    ... Obama should ask them for lessons on how to accomplish things in Washington.

    Because they clearly know how and he clearly doesn't.

    •  excuse me but... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      jmrichardson

      You obviously have not paid attention.
      The last two years saw more legislation done and more accomplished then any of the last century.
      Are you blind??

      •  I'd like to make a lengthier reply to this (0+ / 0-)

        But I'm late for a doctor's appointment that's being paid for by my public option.

        •  oh, the public option whine! (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          mirandasright

          I have done without insurance for the past year.
          But, as much as I wanted PO, I also have read enough history to know that
          Most huge legislation starts out weaker then it ends up several years later.  This is no different.
          And, that you do what is possible and can be passed.
          If you want to whine about the PO, then go to Conn. and whine at Liebermann who killed the damn thing.
          I do not understand those who let everyone off the hook but, have this need to vilify the president and treat him like dirt

  •  If I was President Obama I would say Tough Shit (0+ / 0-)

    that MY only time to see you,of course that won't happen he'll just beg for whenever they can make the time.

  •  More spin (6+ / 0-)

    Moreover, unlike before the previous two meetings, this time around President Obama had essentially given up the fight on the main issue at hand: whether or not to continue current tax policy. In January and February, Obama was still fighting for health care reform, and every indication was that he was going to succeed.

    1. The media says that Obama has caved in. Obama has not caved in on anything. The fact that he has scheduled this meeting to discuss this very specific issue suggests that he has something in store for the Republicans, and they know it.
    1. This article states that Obama was still fighting for health care reform in January and February, yet on this very site, at that very time, there were scores of highly rec'ed diaries and articles about Obama not fighting for health care reform, and how Obama was capitulating to the insurance companies and GOP. There were calls on this site and other sites to "Kill the bill!" because it was considered worthless.

    So now you are willing to admit that this president actually fought for something important and suceeded, despite Republicans' obstructionism right? But based on what I've been reading, I would have sworn that he has simply given Republicans exactly what they wanted for the last two years!!!

    The contradictions here are unbelievable.

    •  It's more important... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Hopefruit2

      ...for people around here to think that they are hardcore badasses, unlike the president, than to actually "read" or "pay attention to" what happens.  It's why these opinions reflect the sentiment of a hugely significant nine percent of the population that MUST BE CATERED TO!

      •  Most of the commenters here don't care abt facts (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Hopefruit2

        They'd rather complain and attack the president because it has to be SOMEONE'S fault we lost.

        Not the Dems who said they couldn't have been bothered to vote since Dems failed us and Dems = Repubs. Not Ben Nelson and Baucus and all of the senators who blocked HCR at every turn. Not the House and Senate that refused to vote on tax cuts before the midterms.

        It's much more fun to call him "Barry" and get tons of recs for it, or call him a "spineless weakling" or a Republican or a liar. I'm waiting for them to start asking for his birth certificate, because they're nearly there.

        The amount of recs such comments get really makes me sick. And then these people wonder why Obama doesn't kiss their ass?

  •  Pelosi takes charge? (0+ / 0-)

    Just a thought - this meeting was supposed to be between the WH and the Huns. Pelosi doesn't have to have a meeting with them. She can just bring up the tax cuts and the unemployment extension for a vote.

    There's also another way to look at Reid's tweet from this morning. Maybe he was saying, look, you had your chance to talk about this, assholes, now you're going to have to vote on it.

    Just a thought.

    It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness - Eleanor Roosevelt

    by Fish in Illinois on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:56:01 AM PST

  •  What's behind the GOP's snub of 'Slurpee Summit'? (2+ / 0-)
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    WiddieDawg, mirandasright

    The GOP has nothing to bring to the table. If they did, it is questionable whether it is still valid next week (see the laughable earmark debate). First they need to figure out who is in control of policy setting, Boehner and Cantor, or Jim DeMint and the Tea-baggers.

    •  I think you're on to something. (0+ / 0-)

      The old line GOP doesn't have a grip on the newbies, especially the TeaParty.  That wasn't the case a few years ago.  Newbies would be required to toe the line and vote as they were told, or they would be stagnated in place.  Now they gotta deal with all these upstarts, and the upstarts learned a thing or two from them - like, just say no; my way or the highway; you're either with us or you're against us.  Stuff like that.

  •  IS the delay related to Mark Kirk? (0+ / 0-)

    I think the delay is to get one more Senate Vote.
    Mark Kirk is 'delayed' in replacing Burris/Obama. It reduces the Senate by One Vote!

  •  I can not believe that (1+ / 0-)
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    mirandasright

    the white house is going to deliver the tax cuts wothout anything in return. As far as I know there has not been any comment from the WH corroborating Jeds position that POTUS already "gave up". My take is that the assumption of the general public,meaning us,that the words "discussion" or "negotiation" means surrender may be a wrong interpretation of the WH intent.

  •  CBO Updated Chart On Bush Tax Cuts (0+ / 0-)

    The Bush tax cuts’ effect on the deficit in one graph
    http://southcapitolstreet.com/...

  •  You've got it all wrong! (1+ / 0-)
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    mirandasright

    This is major screw up by the GOP.  Look at this way, they stormed the gates, seized control of power, won a landslide mandate to change everything back to the way it was when it was better and the first thing they do is chicken out of a meeting with President cause the don't want get pwned again like last time.  They just totally wussed out!  All the brain dead "independents" who voted to tea bag the country, just got tea bagged themselves.  Hilarious!  

    Real Patriots serve Jury Duty.

    by David in Burbank on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 12:15:32 PM PST

  •  they know they can get away with it... (2+ / 0-)
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    lisastar, coffejoe

    ...that is what is behind it.

    and they can continue to get away with it until Obama proves that he is president.

  •  The "One" in Total Command dictates the (0+ / 0-)

    time of any meetings,here's a classic example:Pope Gregory VII and Henry IV,Holy Roman Emperor where The Pope made The King of Germany and at the time future Holy Roman Emperor wait in the bitter cold Three Days before finally agreeing to meet him and that was after the King had come to the Pope begging and in the end it was The Pope's who won that power struggle.

  •  they're scared to talk to him. (2+ / 0-)
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    My Name Isnt Earl, Jewelz

    They remember when Obama had that big meet-up with them and made them look like fools.  They're afraid to face him... and they should be, because he's intelligent while they're deluded theocrats who don't understand a lot of very basic things.  

    Hell, as superstitious and crazy as they are, they may also be afraid of Slurpees.  "They're made by the DEVIL!"

    "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

    by Front Toward Enemy on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 12:39:25 PM PST

  •  Oh so your nice anti-Obama thesis (3+ / 0-)
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    mirandasright, QueenAlli, Hopefruit2

    is unraveling in an embarrassing way right in front of your eyes and you even had to write a whole new rebuttal frontpage article? Sorry man! You should have thought deeper before pronouncing that a rude cancellation of a meeting with the President of The United States by the GOP is the fault of the President because they have found (like you obviously do) that he is a loser. Your credibility is on the line here and you just made matters worse with this incoherent rant fail!

    This time, every indication has been that the GOP position on tax cuts will prevail. So the GOP really had nothing to fear -- on the key issue, they had already won.

    And that right there is the best explanation for why the GOP postponed Thursday's meeting. They believe they have already won the tax cut debate -- so they had nothing to gain from meeting about it. That's why they are already recasting the content of the meeting to be about other topics -- no more mention of tax cuts. Now it's about cutting spending. And they've scheduled it to take place one day before the deficit commission releases its final report. That's no accident. It's a plan, and it's smart. I don't agree with what they're fighting for, but there's no question that they're fighting for it. And they are taking every inch that's given them and making the most out of it.

    You even sound like Sarah Palin when you say

    And that right there is the best explanation for why the GOP

    very folksy grammar man. Congrats that you are finally a GOP apologist. Reminds one of George Orwell's pigs starting to furtively walk on two legs.

    Oh and for the record there is no factual evidence that "the GOP position on tax cuts will prevail". you just made that lie up and brazenly stated it as if it is true. A man called Rove proved that thats a winning strategy in today's America so you are in great company.

    scientia potentia est - Francis Bacon "...knowledge itself is power."

    by factPlusContextAlmostTruth on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 12:53:16 PM PST

  •  Dude, you don't run from a meeting if you have (2+ / 0-)
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    mirandasright, Hopefruit2

    the upper hand.

  •  You better sit down Jed. All that spinning will (1+ / 0-)
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    Hopefruit2

    bring up your lunch. I salute you sir. You should work for the GOP. Lord knows you've learned a lot from them.

    You still have yet to make any sense of the flaming diary you wrote yesterday. Who runs away from a meeting they've won already? ridiculous.

  •  Obviously (0+ / 0-)

    It was all about them pissing off liberals.  As Atrios says, that's what they live for!

    Get busy livin, or get busy dyin...

    by Captain Doug on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 01:18:15 PM PST

  •  Any other business is better then meeting with (0+ / 0-)

    president. How many signs do you need Obama? Total disrespect to this president and he keep going to them hat in hand. Get mean with these little pigs and make them ask to meet with you. I bet if President Obama said he would let the tax cuts expire, they will call him. After they do, he should say, let me look at my schedule uh, the earliest i can meet you is Jan 1st 2011. They are totally beholden to the top 2%, their pimps.

  •  In whose court (0+ / 0-)

    is the ball?

    I hope that Obama is now saying - "I invited them, they couldn't attend, if they want to meet with me, let me know when and where."

    Although most Kossacks (apparently) don't like bipartisanship, most everyone else does.  I certainly hope he doesn't issue a new invitation, and in fact the ball is in their court.  So what happens if they don't initiate anything - taxes go up for everyone, and although President Obama takes most of the blame, he may very well be able to spin it back in their direction. "I offered them an opportunity to meet with me and come up with a compromise, but they refused.  As a result, everyone's taxes go up."

    Based on some remarks by Congressman Roskam on Politico - the GOP does seem a little nervous about this.  So now they have to decide whether or not they are going to compromise.  And we should ask ourselves, who stands to lose the most if there is not a compromise.  I'm beginning to think it is the GOP - even though they are not in charge, in the facile minds of much of the electorate, the first thing that will be associated with their rise to power is higher taxes. And as far as Obama is concerned, he might be ok with higher taxes for everyone.  He might suffer politically - but if it means that he both accomplished HCR and started bringing down the deficit during his first (perhaps only) term - then, my guess is, he will sleep well at night. And, as far as I'm concerned, may he have sweet dreams.

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