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The bush tax cuts were rammed through the Senate by using reconciliation. Democrats can do the same.

Lets state the obvious.....Obama does not know how to do not give things away to the republicans getting nothing back in return.
 Senate Democrats can still save the Middle Class Tax Cuts though. They should use Reconciliation which would only require a majority rather than 60 votes. How soon we forget that Republicans passed the bush tax cuts with the same procedure.
 Let them howl about the fairness and we WILL remind them that they used the same procedure to pass them a decade ago!

Originally posted to tom the letter carrier on Fri Dec 03, 2010 at 04:29 PM PST.


Should Senate Democrats Use Reconciliation on Tax Cuts ?

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  •  Why do we have to go OVER AND OVER this? (4+ / 0-)

    Reconciliation can only be used once a year.

    We've already used it this year.

    Therefore, we cannot use it again.

    "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

    by Whimsical on Fri Dec 03, 2010 at 04:35:28 PM PST

  •  It's not that simple. (2+ / 0-)
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    VClib, tom the letter carrier

    See this post by David Waldman.

  •  We Get a Compromise This Weekend (1+ / 0-)
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    Roger Fox

    A shitty one, no doubt. But the rich are getting their tax cut. Count on Tim Geithner, the working class hero. He's got this.

  •  Tom - this is not a new idea (1+ / 0-)
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    There are specific rules regarding the use of reconciliation. There can be only one reconciliation bill each year and it is tied to the budget process. We haven't passed any F2011 budgets yet for the fiscal year that started on October 1, 2010. Budgets will be passed at some point in the new Congress, and if the right language is in the budget documents a reconciliation opportunity will be available. However, it is not going to happen in the 111th Congress. Had the Dems gone through a normal process to pass budgets on time they could have certainly passed the tax cuts they wanted before the election using reconciliation, but they didn't have the courage.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Fri Dec 03, 2010 at 04:55:23 PM PST

    •  I have four plans (0+ / 0-)
      1. Use reconciliation!
      1. Make the Republicans stay up all night with a filibuster!
      1. Tell Obama to sign an executive order to make it law!
      1. Pass the bill the Republicans want, but then use a signing statement to ignore the parts we don't like!

      More exclamation points!

      Scientific method. Step 1: Form hypothesis. Step 2: Cackle loudly.

      by Dbug on Fri Dec 03, 2010 at 05:28:42 PM PST

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      •  ::facepalm:: (2+ / 0-)
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        1.  Already done for health care so it can't be done again.
        1.  Democrats need their whole caucus on the floor, Republicans only need one to object.  Filibuster is procedural.  The most that can happen is the cots are rolled out and no one goes home.  The "Mr Smith" filibuster is a figment of the imagination.
        1.  Illegal.  This is not a dictatorship.
        1.  See point number 3.

        "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White

        by zenbassoon on Fri Dec 03, 2010 at 06:25:10 PM PST

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      •  Dbug - as zenb notes (0+ / 0-)

        None or your plans are viable. Sorry.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Fri Dec 03, 2010 at 08:48:49 PM PST

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    •  God damnit (0+ / 0-)

      Why didn't we attach the tax cut extensions to HCERA?

      Fly the American flag; burn the Gadsden snake flag. It's your patriotic duty.

      by cville townie on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 12:26:35 AM PST

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  •  I think what is going on here is a show (2+ / 0-)
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    of force by the Democratic party to decouple the tax breaks from the rich and middle class but the bargaining chip is extended unemployment insurance.

    The Dems will fold on the upper 2% tax cuts if they can insure unemployment benefits to the 9.5% unemployed and running out of time.

    The problem is that you can't find a reasonable compromise with the GOP so we might as well just RAM through the best legislation during this lame duck congress that we can.

    There are people really hurting out there that really don't give a shit if the Bush tax cuts are rescinded as long as they get some relief while they continue to try and find non-existant jobs.

    It's a fucking mess.

    But with that said I am proud to be a liberal Democrat. As my grandfather said a long, long time ago you may get a crumb from the Dem's but the Repug's always take the whole loaf.

    Speaker Boehner, Where are the jobs???

    by flatford39 on Fri Dec 03, 2010 at 05:56:47 PM PST

  •  No the tax cuts are unfunded, Congress should let (1+ / 0-)
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    them expire.

    •  I Agree (1+ / 0-)
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      If the democrats extend the Bush tax cuts for the rich the deficit will continue to balloon, it won't create jobs, and states will continue to be starved of revenue to hire teachers, firemen, etc.  It is a no win situation and will only hurt the country in the end.

  •  I hate talking about repealing the Bush tax cuts (0+ / 0-)

    I wanna repeal the Reagan tax cuts.

    FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

    by Roger Fox on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 06:40:17 AM PST

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