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even if there are no real demons.

I floated a poorly-fleshed out diary a while back in the midst of other violence, and I'm just going to lay it out here again to see if it looks different in light of the recent events.

They are building a movement for a new Kristallnacht.

I came into political awareness in while living in North Carolina, where Jesse Helms always got re-elected by small, narrow minds who only had to hear him repeat three things:

  1. Things are bad all over.
  1. That group of people over there, "THEM", they did it all.
  1. (the third step was self-initiating as the fear and anger took over)

We - anyone who's not a RW kool-aid consumer - are being villified as the root of all evil. This "go get 'em that fucked up your country" hysteria may be gaining enough inertia that it can't be stopped before the blood really flows.

I don't know.

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Originally posted to snafubar on Mon Jan 10, 2011 at 04:38 PM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (4+ / 0-)

    George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

    by snafubar on Mon Jan 10, 2011 at 04:38:48 PM PST

    •  So we should all shut up? (0+ / 0-)

      And take it like wimpy liberals?

      Demand Filibuster Reform call your Senators at (202) 224-3121 -AND KEEP CALLING

      by Lefty Coaster on Mon Jan 10, 2011 at 05:59:06 PM PST

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      •  I can't find where I said that (1+ / 0-)
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        shpilk

        I said that I fear this madness has already passed a threshold that we won't recover from.

        I can't find anywhere that I offered the sentiment you propose.

        Maybe I'd like to say that it's past time that some genuine outrage equal to that of the Tea Party come from our side so that we don't seem to be such the cowards to them.

        I don't want that sentiment to be the napalm on the raging fire that we cannot survive without more death.

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Mon Jan 10, 2011 at 07:02:48 PM PST

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      •  Don't see the diary as a call for that. (1+ / 0-)
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        snafubar

        We've got to find another way to deal with this.

  •  I think what happens now (0+ / 0-)

    will be similar to what happened after McVeigh.

    A sitting judge was murdered. A Congresswoman lies in the hospital critically wounded. Members of the public are dead and wounded. The FBI and Secret Service are going to be performing colonoscopies on any and all far right wingnut groups, militias, white supremacists, klan knuckledraggers, anti-Semites, and all the rest.

    Remember the DHS report that warned of the rise of right wing extremists? The propaganda machine dismissed it, but you can bet the FBI et.al. have copies on their desks as we speak. This shit makes them look bad.

    The good times are over for these idiots.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Mon Jan 10, 2011 at 05:42:14 PM PST

    •  I don't see it that way. (1+ / 0-)
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      snafubar

      I see it as the beginning of something we can't even imagine.

      Good times are over for all of the normal people who want to simply survive and get along, who don't desire to be filthy rich, who don't want to kill their neighbors because they have a different skin color, talk a different language, are of a different culture.

      Republicans are growing in strength as they fine tune their message of hate: they won't officially embrace the hatred, but they'll use it to terrorize and intimidate the rest of the nation into doing what ever they want.

      They done a hell of a job of it, so far.

      •  This is precisely why I have terminated my (0+ / 0-)

        relationships with all my 0vertly Republican "friends".

        If they claim to be taking the high road and that as a Democrat I am all the things they say are wrong with the country, I have demanded that they actually have to be witnessed driving on that "high road" they claim is solely their domain.

        They scream for insurrection and overthrow if any Democrat even farts downwind; but when a Republican or a Christian gets caught sodomizing the Virgin Mary with a bald eagle on the steps of the U.S. Capitol during a rendition of God Bless America then wipes up the blood with an American flag -

        - and all we hear from the Republicans and Christians are is "yeah, so what? Democrats and atheists are the problem, we're just soiled by their proximity" -

        I want this Jesus character down here now to get a ruling on this.

        Still waiting.

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 09:12:14 AM PST

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    •  I think the "colonoscopy" you suggest will be the (0+ / 0-)

      clarion call to pull out all the stops, declare that the "fascist police state" that the lunatics claim has been on the way is therefore in fact now present,

      and that's when it will all go wrong.

      The colonoscopy may not just reveal what's in the dark spaces, it may cause the "body" to reject the investigation and turn on itself with a terminal condition.

      George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

      by snafubar on Mon Jan 10, 2011 at 07:06:15 PM PST

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  •  They've been building this before Nixon's time. (1+ / 0-)
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    The inveigling of hatred in place of policy started at the national level probably around the time of McCarthy and HUAC, but did not get national political traction and approval.  

    Pat Buchanan and Kevin Phillips were the ones who helped to architect and mainstream racial hatred, class warfare and bigotry as political tools injecting it into the modern national Republican political Party. They helped to make Birchers and Klansmen 'respectable'.

    The ideals of hatred fit right into the Oval Office's occupant at the time. Nixon's Enemies List, the hatred for Jews, blacks, Asians flavored the day to day operations of inner workings, and people like John Ehrlichman [Henry Paulson was his assistant, by the way for those keeping tabs] helped to propagate that.

    The mechanism for attracting voters took a while to perfect, but racial fears and class warfare politics became everyday in the Reagan administration. Philadelphia MS, 'Welfare queens', Willie Horton, even Murphy Brown became signature points in an extremists smorgasbord of John Bircher talking points. One after the other, dogwhistles to the most base of human emotions, hatred and fear have become the standard fare for Republican political discourse in the past 40 years or so.  

    It's quite clear that people like Buchanan, Phillips, Atwater and Rove studied the propaganda arms of Machiavelli, Hitler, Stalin, Mao and others to get at what motivates the masses to their bidding: they adapted this to fit modern media quite well.

    See, fear and race hatred works great, when your only goal to to substitute political calculation in place of policy discussion.

    If you listen to most Republican leaders today, most of them are clearly ignorant of what it takes to actually govern. Most of these Republicans care only about political power for themselves and their friends. They are not interested in anything else, which is a change of what Republicans used to stand for, for the most part.  

    And it's ignorance is what's needed to make this new Kristallnacht a reality. Control of mass media is crucial to continuing the hate, and they've got a lock on corporate media. Feeding nonsense, lies, distortions into a huge hopper and broadcasting it like Radio Rwanda ensures the masses are suitably 'motivated' to do whatever is politically expedient for Republicans.

    Democrats?

    For the most part, they continue to play the role of Neville Chamberlain, act as deer stunned in the headlights of an oncoming train. They reach out over and over to the other side expecting decency, and get hot lead, instead.

    Civilization is destined to fail, as humans fail to learn from past mistakes, and history repeats itself. Each new technological advance makes the hate and destruction more efficient, becoming more complete and more thorough, until there simply there will be no civilization left.

    Such a shame, sitting and watching as good people are stunned by the bright flash, and don't do a goddamn thing about it.

    •  Your comment reminds me of Carl Sagan (1+ / 0-)
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      shpilk

      in his essay, "Pale Blue Dot"

      Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.

      Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

      George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

      by snafubar on Mon Jan 10, 2011 at 07:22:44 PM PST

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      •  I'm honored. (1+ / 0-)
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        snafubar

        Thank you.

        •  Thank you. (0+ / 0-)

          Truth is, shpilk, between the national scene and some truly surreal things that happened to me personally in recent months, I now stand before you as a stone-cold atheist who thinks we are now in the end of days.

          ...only in my nightmare of Armageddon, after the blood dries and the planet goes dark, that's all folks.

          George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

          by snafubar on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 09:01:20 AM PST

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