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I was as nitzy about the transition as anyone. I just didn't go on about it much. I was a pajamadon awaiting the great crossover.

Then I got tired - and I'm an insomniac but the interminable wait wore me down - and went off to sleep.

When I woke up, it had arisen.

This AM was boggy and buggy, but not as terrible as it could have been. Then I discovered Groups. And Messages. And following, and a host of other features yet to be explored.

I must say I'm blown away by the fun and functionality of the site. I really enjoyed DK3, was probably around for previous incarnations but didn't notice the transitions so much.

Now that I have embedded myself here in some mode or other, I can see that it was important to me not to lose some of the features I had enjoyed in DK3. I'm no techie, but it appears this has been pretty successfully accomplished. Plus the new way of grooving is fun for me.

I have specific interests and affinities, and it will be a great opportunity to exchange thoughts and ideas with people with that precise area of interest. In many ways I'm a generalist, but I do have areas that engage my interest more than others.

With the DK4 setup, I can join groups for play, like the pootie diaries, but engage in discussion and share research and formulate actions in areas close to my heart like foreign affairs, the food supply, and human rights.

Thanks to all who partook in this effort. It really does appear to be both an enhancement and an improvement.

Techies and retros feel free to flame away. Technically I know not whereof I speak, and my quasi-anarchistic soul loves novelty and innovation.

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    •  It's growing on me. (2+ / 0-)
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      4Freedom, Julie Waters

      Definitely still some bugs to work out.

      Notably, these two:

      1) When I view another person's profile page and they have more than 1 page of "Followers", when I click the "Next" button, only a few show up, despite the fact that there should be a whole entire 2nd page of followers.  I also seem to notice that upon clicking the "Next" button, it states the number of followers is my own, rather than the number of the person whose profile page I'm on.

      2) Group messages.  Totally needs work.  If I'm a member of a group (but not an Admin/Editor), I can see that a group has X number of messages, but when I click on them, I get a page saying that I don't have permission to read them.  If I shouldn't have permission to read them, then they shouldn't appear in my inbox...

      I found another aesthetic bug, but I already reported it.  And it doesn't affect the usability of the site.  But the above two do.

      Anyone else encounter the same two bugs I just mentioned?

      "Give me a lever long enough... and I shall move the world." - Archimedes

      by mconvente on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 10:48:06 PM PST

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  •  Out with it. (8+ / 0-)

    What do you really think?

    Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Abraham Lincoln

    by 4Freedom on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 08:59:06 PM PST

  •  It iis! The only thing I can't figure out.... (4+ / 0-)
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    Eddie C, Julie Gulden, 4Freedom, Ebby

    .....if I write a diary, and want it to go into the Poottie group, how do I do that?

    I'm sure there will be more things I can't figure out in the future.

    •  Are you a member of the group? (4+ / 0-)
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      Eddie C, daulton, 4Freedom, greenchiledem

      If you are, when you write a "new diary," then preview it, you'll have an opportunity to go to a "publishing manager." On there, you can choose to publish now to your own page, schedule later for your own page, or choose to send it to the group blog queue of pooties.

    •  I 'splained a little in another post, but (2+ / 0-)
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      Eddie C, daulton

      it seems that you go to the GROUPS link right at the top of the page - the tip of the flag touches the word - click through the link, and that will bring up this gynormous list of groups and their descriptions.

      If you find one you want to join, you click on its name. That will bring you up a sub-header, where one of the choices is to Send a Message to the Group.

      Click on that link, and there will be a way to email and ask to join the group. The group will then issue you an invitation in your message folder -  which you link to through My Page. Messages will be one of the choices on your page.

      Make any sense, or should we call in someone who knows what they are talking about?

      The group you want to join is PWB Peeps.  Here's a link to their page, and under triciawyse's name you will see where to send the group a message. Click on that and follow through and ask more questions if all this is still confusing.

      Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Abraham Lincoln

      by 4Freedom on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 09:15:57 PM PST

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  •  Love it. Didn't know I would. (6+ / 0-)

    It feels easier, more comfortable--huge surprise!

    It's never too late to be who you might have been. George Eliot

    by begone on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 09:06:10 PM PST

    •  All the white space really helps keep (1+ / 0-)
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      begone

      my attention on the diary I'm reading and the comments I'm responding to. That improvement alone is helpful.

      And now it's Valentine's Day - hope everyone has a very Happy Valentine's Day!!

      Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Abraham Lincoln

      by 4Freedom on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 10:31:27 PM PST

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  •  Well, a little confused at first (5+ / 0-)

    Especially about the groups.  I asked for invites, and then figured out that I really just wanted to follow.

    There's a couple of things that are annoying me, but they're minor.  I figure those will probably annoy others too, so sooner or later, they'll get fixed.

    Don't know if I love it yet, but once I get over my skittishness, I'm sure I'm probably going to eventually.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" - MLK

    by edwardssl on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 09:11:19 PM PST

  •  Good for you! (5+ / 0-)

    I think people are having a wonderful time exploring it.

  •  I'm trying to stay open. It hasn't grown on me yet (4+ / 0-)
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    Mnemosyne, Eddie C, 4Freedom, voracious

    Right now I'm frustrated by the things I'm used to being able to do in DK3 (like see at a glance if there are any new replies to my comments) that I can't do at all, or not as easily, in DK4.  

    And in one day I haven't had a chance yet to fall in love with some new feature that I'll soon wonder how I ever did without. :)

    I figure Day 1 is bound to be the roughest and hopefully everything gets better and better.  I hope Kos and the admins stay open to doing some tweaking as we all test drive the new baby.  

    Thanks for the diary!

    •  On the front page (2+ / 0-)
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      4Freedom, Ebby

      ... where it says, "Welcome back, Ebby," there's a direct link to your comments that shows recs (and hopefully not) HRs, and replies.

      •  Oh, yes... I have been using that (1+ / 0-)
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        4Freedom

        What would be helpful for me is a clear way to identify new, unread replies.  DK3 had this on the Hotlist page.

        On a busy evening or over the course of a weekend afternoon, I'll often leave a comment, go off to read other diaries, perhaps comment there too, and it is typical to have three of four diaries where I might get one or more replies to a comment, or be engaged in a series of comments.  I want to know if there are any new replies, ideally with a glance on the main page (or on the comments page -- I can keep a tab open). Or even a pop-up in whatever diary I'm in to tell me there's a new reply in another diary.  

        I don't write a lot of diaries, but I read a lot and engage the site more through the discussion in the comments.  With the current configuration of the comments page I have to remember how many replies I've already read, or I end up re-opening comments in case it's one I haven't seen yet.

        I'll look for opportunities to bring this up in DK4 diaries, as I think it would help others, too.  But I understand if there are more immediate priorities, and in the meantime will find much else to love about the new site, I'm sure.

  •  yup. i dig it too. (6+ / 0-)

    i just rolled my eyes at all the boo-hooing and belly-aching and gbcw-ing that's been going on for the past month.

    yes, change is challenging and cumbersome. i'm not sure where to find stuff myself. it'll take some getting used to for sure.

    but, y'know what? i am finding stuff that i didn't even know i was looking for.

    the redesign gets a thumbs up from me.

    "brother, i'm a militant for tenderness." --cornell west

    by homo neurotic on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 09:14:36 PM PST

  •  I'm having fun (8+ / 0-)

    but I can't seem to get off my own page.

    I keep getting messages that are not really for me and I'm not authorized to open them.

    Just like life.

  •  I wouldn't necessarily say that I'm (3+ / 0-)

    "having fun", but I am kind of pumped! For me, it's like discovering a new, awesome band, but also understanding that there are some things you HATE about said band as well. (I feel this way about both Ani diFranco and Radiohead.)

    Which is sorta like DK3, after all. :)

    In any case, it is MEGA fun exploring ... if the website doesn't crash, like it did this morning. But, honestly, it seems to me that the admins have it under control now, which is great.

    And I love a lot of the new features! Although, deleting all my unnecessary messages (see: groups) is becoming a task not at all unlike my e-mail inbox.

    It's a whole new world, dude. Or something not resembling a song from "Aladdin".

    Cheers! :)

    Politics is too serious a matter to be left to the politicians. -- Charles de Gaulle

    by Colorado is the Shiznit on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 09:20:26 PM PST

  •  I'm still trying to find... (3+ / 0-)
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    Mnemosyne, bwren, 4Freedom

    the men's room.

    Apart from that, I think I'm having fun.

    Is there a new function that measures my fun-having?

  •  (shrug) It's a website. (3+ / 0-)
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    johanus, 4Freedom, voracious

    I don't seem to get as attached to these things as others do.

    Now that it actually loads, it's all good with me.

    I'm gonna go eat a steak. And fuck my wife. And pray to GOD - hatemailapalooza, 052210

    by punditician on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 09:35:19 PM PST

    •  I think there are those of us with varying (2+ / 0-)

      shades of affect, and those who tend to more dispassionate. When affect is more pronounced, it can lead to greater attachments that might not be so relevant to a more dispassionate type.

      I think that is a good thing. It can enrich dialogue.

      The founding fathers lived in an era where it was understood that there were different temperaments. The choleric individual was fiery in nature and prone to often impetuous action. The sanguine temperament was pretty bloody-minded and tended to blythe their way through life. The melancholic, the temperament attributed to Lincoln, was often morose and introspective, while the phegmatics were rather stoic and ponded lots before acting.

      It was an interesting take on an approach to understanding different types of people that psychology had long discredited. I think there was some merit to the approach.

      Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Abraham Lincoln

      by 4Freedom on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 10:45:47 PM PST

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  •  I was pleasantly surprised by the smooth (2+ / 0-)
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    4Freedom, CanyonWren

    roll-out but after an hour, things turned ugly. It seems ok now but still slower than dk3.

    Lotsa of bells & whistles. Some improvements could have been done away with since they only clutter the appearance. My $ 0.02

    One bitter fact is two bit hacks populate the third rate fourth estate who are truly the fifth columnists.

    by amk for obama on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 09:54:28 PM PST

  •  It seems the majority of users are finding the (1+ / 0-)
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    CanyonWren

    site useful and functional.

    It will take more getting used to, but I can see some of the thought and planning that went into this effort, and it's impressive.

    Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Abraham Lincoln

    by 4Freedom on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 10:07:12 PM PST

  •  I can't seem to find any FAQ's (2+ / 0-)
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    4Freedom, Free Jazz at High Noon

    that explain the groups invite/member thing.  Do you send a message to the group and hope the admin sees it to admit you? Or do you follow and then they invite you? Halp! ;)

    Sarah Palin: All pistol and no squint.

    by CanyonWren on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 12:39:30 AM PST

    •  CanyonWren: (3+ / 0-)
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      tmo, 4Freedom, CanyonWren

      here's the FAQ on groups which may make it clear as mud. ;-)

      KOS wrote about this today, too. Its the terminology which is more off-putting than the reality.

      You follow groups by clicking on the heart icon associated with the group: postings by the group then appear in your customized diary stream. An easy way to follow groups (and individual diarists!) ready tailored.

      You don't need to be invited in order to read, but following a group makes it much easier to find the postings from said group.

      You don't need to join a group at all to use DK much as you had before. A surprise.

      Getting invited to a group means that it appears in your group list in your profile. It allows some additional rights and responsibilities. One can't post to a group diary in the name of that group unless the group admin OKs it.

      Whether you can post in your in name on behalf of that group, I'm not sure, but I think it will cohere as the practice becomes familiar.

      Hell, I'm liking this; I have no time, but it makes me want to diary!

      "Space Available" is the largest retail chain in the nation.

      by Free Jazz at High Noon on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 01:03:49 AM PST

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  •  Big sigh of relief, it is much easier to (2+ / 0-)
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    tmo, 4Freedom

    navigate than I thought.  Played around with Beta but still had reservations.  Think it's going to all work out.

    Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day. Harry Truman

    by temptxan on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 06:07:05 AM PST

  •  Its cool (1+ / 0-)
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    4Freedom

    I didnt try out dk4 until today. I like it so far. I haven't tried out all the new features yet but I will soon. Only thing is it seems a bit slower than dk3 but hopefully that will change.

    "Better to fight for something than live for nothing." - George S. Patton

    by tinhut on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 09:00:53 AM PST

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