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Mike Huckabee has generally cultivated a "nice guy" image. He's a conservative but when he ran for President he made sure to portray himself as a different kind of leader, one who is conservative but "is not angry about it." It's been paying off; The Daily Show frequently has him on, as does Colbert and Conan, and he generally charms the audience. However, I'm starting to see it more and more as a facade, given his anti-gay and anti-Muslim comments of late. He recently got into a bit of hot water when he made some nasty comments on Islam during  his Fox and Friends appearance .

Recently the Fox and Friends team was discussing a small-town news story (video in article), of two local churches that let Muslims use the building while their mosque was under construction. No big deal, right? It's been done before with Muslims and Jews and is a great way to build interfaith bridges between Americans.  

They called Mike Huckabee onto the show, given that he's an ordained Southern Baptist minister. Well apparently he wasn't having any of it, asking what Christians are thinking, and that Muslims "believe Jesus Christ and all the people who follow him are a bunch of infidels who should be essentially obliterated." ... “Should the church be rented out to show adult movies on the weekend? Where does this end?”

The man appears completely tone deaf, because when the host asked him if he was "likening Islam to pornography," he said, "No, and I'm sure that some bloggers will say that, and I'll read at least 300 blogs that will say that by noon today. But I'm just saying ... [Islam is] the antithesis of the Gospel of Christ." (emphasis mine)

Well, he's dead wrong.

Let's dissect this one bit at a time. Unlike Judaism and other religions, Muslims revere Jesus (peace be upon him) quite highly, equally with Muhammad himself (pbuh). He is the Messiah, the son of a Virgin named Mary, the one who God sent to guide the Children of Israel, and will return some day to kill the Anti-Christ. Almost all of this is in the Quran itself:

"Say: 'We believe in God and the revelation given to us and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendants, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and it is to Him that we surrender ourselves.'" (2:136)

"Behold! The angels said: 'O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be Jesus Christ, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and in (the company of) those nearest to God.'" (3:45)

The stories in the Quran and Hadith show Jesus in a very similar light to the way the Christians do. In the Quran, Jesus speaks from the cradle and, with God's permission, cures lepers and the blind. (Quran 5:110) God also states in the Quran: "We gave (Jesus) the Gospel and put compassion and mercy into the hearts of his followers." (57:27)

As to Christians, Muslims consider them fellow "People of the Scripture," those who also share part of God's revelation to humanity, the Gospel. Jesus was a messenger of God, and he brought the Gospel (known in the Quran as the "Injeel"). God says in the Quran:

"And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, 'We are Christian.' This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant." (5:82)

This whole "Christians are infidels" quote that Huckabee said is nothing more than an ugly stereotype from some bad Hollywood movies. The Quran refers to the Christians and Jews as "Ahl ul kitaab," (People of the Scripture). When someone bombed an Egyptian church around Christmas,  thousands of Egyptian Muslims responded by attending church services in order to serve as human shields in case of another attack. They held candlelight vigils outside and put crosses on their facebook pages as well.

I'm wondering how Huckabee, an ordained Christian minister, is so presumptuous about what Muslims believe. Given that Muslims and Christians have been cooperating in the middle east for Millenia and in places like Egypt today.

Let's look to the last 2 weeks. A photo has been spreading all over Twitter of Egyptian Christians making a human chain to protect Muslims from police attack as they were praying in Tahrir square on the Friday Mubarak was thrown out. On Sunday,  Egyptian Muslims returned the favor, protecting them while they had prayer services. This is a great moment for Muslim-Christian unity in Egypt.

I suppose this isn't the first time for him. Back in 2007, I went to his campaign website, and when you click on the  Issues link  (now dead), you got this:

I believe that we are currently engaged in a world war. Radical Islamic fascists have declared war on our country and our way of life. They have sworn to annihilate each of us who believe in a free society all in the name of an impersonal god. This war is not a conventional war and these terrorists are not a conventional enemy. (emphasis mine)

You can bash terrorists all you want, but when you start bashing their god, well, you're kinda gonna offend more than just terrorists.

CAIR, the Council for American-Islamic Relations,  has started an email campaign , asking people to contact Mike Huckabee and his producers to ask that he apologize for his remarks and meet with Muslim leaders.

P.S. CAIR also pointed out that Glenn Beck, recently promoted the bizarre theory that Islam is a "vehicle" of Satan and that Muslim leaders in Egypt and Iran are trying to bring the Antichrist to Earth. (MediaMatters link)

Originally posted to SulaymanF on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 12:30 PM PST.

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  •  Huckabee's "nice guy" persona (25+ / 0-)

    is just the mask behind which he hides a truly appalling, grotesque set of beliefs.

    Will definitely participate in the email campaign.

    Very helpful. Rec'd.

    Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative. - William S. Burroughs

    by sricki on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 12:46:49 PM PST

  •  GOP self destructing (18+ / 0-)

    Will someone tell the GOP that once again they're killing their own base? I mean the majority of American Muslims identified as Republican in 2000, then went 80% for Kerry just 4 years later and have been going more and more Dem ever since.

    Now that "Muslims for Bush" founder and big GOP player Muhammad Ali Hassan  publicly left the party and joined the DNC, that should have been a warning to these people to maybe stop demonizing fellow Americans.

  •  i grew up in a holy roller church (14+ / 0-)

    and they used to tell us that everyone that didn't believe the evangelical born again spew was gonna burn...and that went double for the catholics!

    i'm a citizens for boysenberry jam fan

    by memofromturner on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 01:59:44 PM PST

  •  Ignorant and intolerant (16+ / 0-)

    is no way to go through life.  

    I'll refrain from the ad-hom about his girth, but Mike Huckabee solidly sold the case for his being ignorant about religion and certainly intolerant of those who don't ascribe to his particular, narrow interpretation of what Christian faith is.

    As a person who ostensibly studied the bible, and possibly even other religions other than his brand of... I don't know, whatever, for him to make those remarks about Islam and Jesus marks him as either a Goddamn liar or laughably ignorant.

    I say he's both.

    We are better than this. We must do better. Cmdr.Scott Kelly

    by mydailydrunk on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 02:16:23 PM PST

  •  I don't understand this guy's teflon (21+ / 0-)

    He has equated same-sex marriage with beastiality and child molesting, and said that people with AIDS should be imprisoned (the euphemism he used was "isolated.")  And the press can't shut up about how "nice" he is.

    Thank you for those links about Egyptian Christians and Muslims protecting each other during prayers.  All of them - Muslim and Christian - honor Jesus far more than Huckabee ever could.

    I shall die, but that is all that I shall do for Death; I am not on his payroll. - Edna St. Vincent Millay

    by Tara the Antisocial Social Worker on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 04:06:07 PM PST

  •  Great diary. (3+ / 0-)
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    Thank you for calling him out.

  •  Here's a nice little collection of (5+ / 0-)

    things Huckabee needs to be apologizing for

  •  Ecumenicalism (11+ / 0-)

    is anathema, to the fundamentalists of any creed.

    Peace, love, tolerance, forgiveness -- all that stuff?  Worthless.  Forget it.  Jesus certainly never meant THAT.

     Infidels, a.k.a. people who believe differently that you, deserve nothing but death, to those whose truest belief is in bigotry and tribalism.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 07:29:55 PM PST

  •  I guess he'd really hate my church (and me) (5+ / 0-)

    I have prayed with Muslims in a mosque, and Muslims have prayed in my church.  At an interfaith event celebrating our local community's bicentennial, my church hosted an interfaith event which was opened with a local imam delivering the adhan (the Muslim call to prayer) from our pulpit.

    Sadly, there were a few local churches that refused to participate because of the inclusion of Muslims, but since we're all part of this community, I think it's nothing but a good thing that we occasionally worship together.  We have somewhat different methods of worship, and slightly different understandings of the nature of God (although those differences aren't nearly as great as many Christians assume), but the same can be said, to some extent, of different Christian denominations.  But there is absolutely no legitimate question but that we all worship the same God.

    Still PROUD to be a Democrat!

    by leevank on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 09:03:40 PM PST

  •  I live in the South. (5+ / 0-)

    A LOT of southerners regard Islam in this way--actually they don't realize that "Allah" is the Arabic word "for "God" and that Coptic CHristians use this same word when they pray. Tot hese folk, if it ain't CHristian, you're monsters.

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 09:10:09 PM PST

  •  How do you explain grotesque violence of this kind (0+ / 0-)


    FOUR men slashed a teacher’s face because they did not approve of him teaching religion to Muslim girls.

    Tuesday February 22,2011

    Gary Smith was attacked with a Stanley knife, an iron rod and a block of cement.

    Mr Smith, who is head of religious education at Central Foundation Girls’ School in Bow, east London, also had a fractured skull.

    Akmol Hussein, 26, Sheikh Rashid, 27, Azad Hussain, 25, and Simon Alam, 19, are facing jail.

    They were heard condemning Mr Smith for “teaching other religions to our sisters”, the court heard.
    that takes place over and over and over in the name of Islam, everywhere around the world, with tens of thousands of innocent lives claimed every year,

    No other religion comes anywhere close to this level of relentless and gross religious violence. Please don't try to tell me otherwise.

    I don't want to told to shut my eyes to the overwhelming evidence here and get with the program. I have a stake in this as I want my children and grand children to inherit as safe and secure world as possible, and I want some serious and sincere answers, not clever apologetics or deflections.

    A Democratic-leaning Rational-Libertarian Liberal.

    by kickass on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 09:23:05 PM PST

    •  Here's how I explain it: (13+ / 0-)

      The motivation that produces that hideous act is the same as the one that caused Protestants (and I'm a Protestant) to throw bricks at the heads of little Catholic schoolgirls in Northern Ireland who are doing nothing but walking along a street on the edge of a Protestant neighborhood between their home and school.  It's the same as the motivation that caused Catholics in Northern Ireland to plant bombs in pubs in Protestant neighborhoods.  It's the same as the motivation that caused Lutheran churches in Germany to exalt Nazism, and caused good German Christians to cooperate in sending innocent Jews to their deaths.  It's the same as the motivation that caused Franciscan priests to sell Native American children in the American Southwest into slavery in order to use the money to pay for a bell for the church.  It's the same as the motivation that caused Buddhists (normally the most peaceful of religions) to commit horrible acts of brutality against Hindus in Sri Lanka (and vice-versa).

      The common motivation in all of these situations is, as I see it, tribalism masquerading as religion.  One's co-religionists come to be seen as members of one's tribe, adherents of other religions come to be seen as members of other, enemy, tribes, and that leads to the result that it always does.

      The radical message of both Jesus and Muhammad is that there really IS no "other;" that we are all children of God.  Unfortunately, the followers of both Jesus and Muhammad haven't always been very keen on getting that message.

      Still PROUD to be a Democrat!

      by leevank on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 10:56:10 PM PST

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      •  Wish I could rec this a gazillion times over... (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm an atheist, and this stuff has always seemed to me to be less about the religion than about wrapping an ugly values system in the name of religion.  

        (I disagree with atheists like Sam Harris btw:  Science and rationality have no place in them for narrow-minded bigotry, no matter who is promoting it and for whatever reason.)

        As for this

        The radical message of both Jesus and Muhammad is that there really IS no "other;" that we are all children of God.  Unfortunately, the followers of both Jesus and Muhammad haven't always been very keen on getting that message.

        Jesus called them out in Matthew 6.

        "What we do for ourselves dies with us; what we do for others, and the world, remains, and is immortal." -- Albert Pine

        by caul on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 12:47:50 AM PST

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    •  Have you not read the Bible? (7+ / 0-)

      The Old Testament is a manual on when and where to stone people to death, especially troublesome children.

      Christians, Jews, pagans, animists, etc can provide you with sickening tomes of atrocities throughout the millenia. Not all made it to Fox news.

      Then of course, men are prone to torturing and killing fellow human beings for no religious reason at all. Politics, nationalility, gang affiliation, tribe,  someone dissed them, someone looked at them funny....

      •  Not only that (1+ / 0-)
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        Beating one's enemies brains out against rocks, and killing every last man, woman, child, and head of livestock of one's enemies (and being punished by God if one doesn't do it).  And there are passages in the New Testament that can be (and have been) taken out of context to justify brutal violence (such as Matthew 10:34:  "I have come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword").

        Still PROUD to be a Democrat!

        by leevank on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 06:13:07 AM PST

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    •  If you only look at the bad things people do (5+ / 0-)

      you get a distorted picture.  That site you linked to certainly does that.  It looks like little more than a hate site to me.  In addition to stories about crimes allegedly committed by Muslims, it contains jokes about them.  In fact, it's so brimming with hatred and contempt that it's probably in violation of community standards.

      •  The TROP site is an indispensable site (0+ / 1-)
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        that provides a comprehensive list of Islamic terrorist attacks as gathered from around the world. Based on some cross-checking that I have done from time to time using internet search, I find the list to be sufficiently authentic.

        If you have a proof showing the list's accuracy to be below 50% or so, please share it. For even if the list is only 50% accurate, the violence is still of a grotesque scale, which is argument I am making using that list.

        I ignore the rest of the site's content, and recommend others to do the same.

        A Democratic-leaning Rational-Libertarian Liberal.

        by kickass on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 05:13:41 AM PST

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        •  Bullshit distinction (2+ / 0-)

          Why don't you link us to a pro-Islamic site listing all the acts of charity and peaceful good deeds carried out in the name of the religion?

          And then if you do, you can always encourage us to ignore the pro-Islamic message.

          I don't think.

          Now not-really-blogging from Sheikh Jarrah

          by ignatz uk on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 06:04:14 AM PST

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          •  He wouldn't even need that (0+ / 0-)

            Muslims were traditionally a tiny minority in Rwanda, but there were many conversions in the aftermath of the genocide because many Muslims sheltered Tutsis and members of mixed marriages from being slaughtered, while many supposedly "Christian" clerics were much more loyal to their tribe than to what Christ commanded them to do.  I have little doubt that Jesus would feel far more comfortable in a mosque whose members had sheltered innocents from slaughter than in a church whose members turned them over -- just as I have no doubt that Muhammad would feel more comfortable in my church than in a mosque whose leaders called for the slaughter of innocents.

            Still PROUD to be a Democrat!

            by leevank on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 06:20:43 AM PST

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    •  How about the KKK, supposedly a Christian (0+ / 0-)

      organization (so they say, just as the men you cite claim to be Muslim)? Not only did members of the KKK harrass and lynch numerous people throughout the past 150 years, but they killed 4 young girls at a church in Birmingham in 1963. Remember that? How do you explain that, kickass?

      A slight acquaintance with history will produce many examples of "Christians" killing others in the name of their religion.  The evil done in the name of Christianity does not negate the basic message of the religion any more than evil done in the name of Islam negates the basic message of Islam. As Jesus said, not all who call me Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom. Neither will all who call Mohammed Prophet. Fundamentalists of any religion tend to be violent with those who disagree with them.

      It's what you do, not what you believe that counts - thenekkidtruth

      by sewaneepat on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 03:44:29 AM PST

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    •  The same way I explain grotesque violence (2+ / 0-)
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      of this kind

      In an extensive statement before his sentencing, Rudolph said the bombings were part of a guerrilla campaign against abortion, "the homosexual agenda" and the U.S. government.
      Not surprisingly, his killer is strongly suspected to be affiliated with the "pro-life" movement. If that's the case, it makes Tiller the 10th person in the United States to be murdered by anti-choice terrorists.
      Unlike the generally secular white supremacist organizations, Hutaree are explicitly Christians. Many seem to be millenarians, expecting the end of time to come soon. Like the so-called Patriot Movement, they are gun nuts. They are said to be organized to kill the Antichrist, and some reports say that they planned violence against American Muslims.

      You are teetering dangerously close to generalizations that cannot be substantiated by non-partisan data, which falls into the realm of bigotry and propaganda.

      No other religion comes anywhere close to this level of relentless and gross religious violence

      That's an extraordinary claim, you need to provide extraordinary evidence, not cherry picked news articles.

      That claim, without evidence, is just general bigotry and propaganda and is hide ratable and even cause for banning.

      "What's disgusting? Union busting!" 17.02.2011 Madison, WI

      by Jeffersonian Democrat on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 06:27:30 AM PST

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  •  All it took for me was the video of (3+ / 0-)
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    him telling how to cook squirrel in a popcorn popper and I was done with thinking he would ever be a serious candidate!

    That he is ignorant of religion and these issues just speaks to the level of ignorance we are seemingly willing to accept in our politicians and leaders.

    He speaks in the code of the haters, and they hear him.  It's scary.

    Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government. ~Thomas Jefferson

    by k8dd8d on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 09:49:22 PM PST

  •  The Huckster has found his calling, (1+ / 0-)
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    he's doing what any good Baptist minister would do. Making money hand over fist by spouting hack right-wing political commentaries to stupid gullible people (the Republican base). What would Jesus do, indeed!

    If a Fox Noise host wants to go to the White House, they can take the tour like everyone else.

    "He's the one, who likes all our pretty songs. And he likes to sing along. And he likes to shoot his gun. But he knows not what it means" - Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 10:14:37 PM PST

  •  I attend a Southern Baptist Church (5+ / 0-)

    not by choice really. I'm a musician and I get paid to play there. The pastor is very conservative and though he usually bring up Islam, when he does it's always negative and rooted in ignorance. You would think that people who study religion would know about the connection between Jews, Christians, and Muslims, but he routinely refers to Allah as an evil pagan god as if it weren't the same God of Abraham Christians worship.

    I think that this is just something conservative Christians (being more conservative than Christian) dupe themselves into believing. Muslims are bad, we are good. Therefore their God can't be the same one that we and the Jews share and don't bother trying to correct me.

    •  Does the preacher (2+ / 0-)
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      also promote the idea that Muslims worship Muhammed?
      I get that one a lot around here.

      •  No (3+ / 0-)
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        the last time I remember him bringing it up, he said that Muslims don't believe Jesus was the son of God because they don't believe God had any children. I'm not sure if that's true or not, I haven't done the research. But I've Jewish friends tell me that Jews don't believe God has (or will have) children and that they don't believe the Messiah will be the "son of God". And he absolutely loves Israel and the Jewish people. So I'm not sure how Jews and Muslims can basically believe the same thing, but that belief only disqualifies one of their Gods from being the same as the Christian God according to his logic (which is consistently exposed as being really, really bad).

    •  He needs to learn the Ring parable (1+ / 0-)
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      The centerpiece of the work is the Ring Parable (German: Ringparabel), narrated by Nathan when asked by Saladin which religion is true: An heirloom ring with the magical ability to render its owner pleasant in the eyes of God and mankind had been passed from father to the son he loved most.

      When it came to a father of three sons whom he loved equally, he promised it (in "pious weakness") to each of them. Looking for a way to keep his promise, he had two replicas made, which were indistinguishable from the original, and gave on his deathbed a ring to each of them.

      The brothers quarrelled over who owned the real ring. A wise judge admonished them that it was impossible to tell at that time – that it even could not be discounted that all three rings were replicas, the original one having been lost at some point in the past – and that, to find out whether one of them had the real ring, it was up to them to live in such a way that their ring's powers could prove true, to live a life that is pleasant in the eyes of God and mankind (rather than expecting the ring's miraculous powers to do so).

      Nathan compares this to religion, saying that each of us lives by the religion we have learned from those we respect.

      From the Enlightenment play Nathan der Weise, by Gotthold Ephraim Lessing, published in 1779

      "What's disgusting? Union busting!" 17.02.2011 Madison, WI

      by Jeffersonian Democrat on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 06:44:36 AM PST

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  •  Thanks for this perfect summary (5+ / 0-)

    I am always baffled at people who believe that Muslims hate either Jesus or Christians. Unfortunately, the area I live in (Mississippi) is filled with people who feel this way. Muslims are so much more inclusive with their beliefs than Christians and Jews.

  •  Great insight for those who (1+ / 0-)
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    don't understand the simplicity of Islam, but rather roll with the complexity of remaining blissfully and willfully ignorant, hence Uckabee. Hope people will pass this diary to their friends, well those who think they don't dwell in the house of ignorance.

    "Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me." ~kay~

    by Kwamo on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 10:44:25 PM PST

  •  I'm agnostic (4+ / 0-)

    But the more I read about people like the Huckster, the more I want to believe in some extra-natural evil presence akin to the Christian-creation of Satan.

    Here's why I say that.

    I was raised Methodist. Sure, there was a little talk about conservative social issues and "being saved" and all that. But the church was all about actually helping people. Our church was particularly involved with helping the folks at the Hopi reservation in Northeastern Arizona. Near as I could tell, we were more interested in making sure they had heating fuel, decent food, education, housing and blankets than a pile of Bibles. No religious tests to get help.

    And that was what I thought religion was all about growing up: Be a decent human being. Sort of like the theory of the free market, if everyone is a decent human being, social problems are minimized.

    Then I met people like Huckabee -- and I should add that he is hardly the worst of the lot. Unless you are part of their little circle, you are somehow bad and probably being deceived by Satan. Never mind that the Christians, Muslims and Jews share the same god.

    In short, they miss the old days of religious wars and people like Huckabee yearn for another good crusade.

    Getting back to my original point, if there is a Satan -- and I don't think there is -- that presence is actually influencing the ones who won't accept other religions. The ironic part is that Huckabee and his ilk accept that Jesus came with a new covenant, but they can't accept that the Prophet Muhammad came with another one largely aimed at a different audience.

    And it is telling that they make assumptions about other religions without actually reading their holy texts or studying their beliefs.

    But in reality, that is just a smoke screen for their xenophobia. Too many people have decided that they cannot possibly be wrong if they think their god says their beliefs are right, even when they violate basic morality.

    Maybe it takes a healthy dose of skepticism to see how some people will use religion.

    (Sorry. End rant. I'm reading Jeff Sharlet's book right now.)

  •  The key to this story is how unpresidential (5+ / 0-)

    he is.  Think about how many military bases we have where there is an interfaith chapel that serves as both Church and Mosque at different times?  Would he change that policy as Commander-in-Chief?  Would he allow it to be a synagogue/church?  What about a Hindu Temple or house of worship for Quakers?  Jehovah's Witnesses? Wiccans?  

    "They don't think it be like it is, but it do. " Oscar Gamble, circa 1980

    by Spider Stumbled on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 11:01:16 PM PST

  •  all due respect, you're wrong... (1+ / 0-)
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    in fact, we americans need to apologize to muslims for huckabee's attaining relevance, and an audience, and booksales, and votes, based on his use of fanatical rhetoric.

    more than apologize though, we need to reverse the trend.

    •  Explain to me exactly (1+ / 0-)
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      Why we should apologize FOR Huckabee and his "relevance" when the vast majority of us have never voted for him, have never bought his books, attended one of his speeches, or otherwise supported him (except, I suppose, not changing the channel when he's a guest on the Daily Show)?

      It's one thing to stand with our Muslim brothers and sisters in solidarity and continue to fight against ignorance, bigotry and hate wherever these arise.  But your statement that we, as Americans -- as progressive Americans -- need to apologize because we just happen to be here...?

      Thanks for your concern, but nah...  

      If you're wrong, you apologize, quickly and sincerely.

      If you're on the right side of history, though, you don't apologize. You just fight harder.

      It was the best of times, it was the worst of times... - C Dickens.

      by grover on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 01:53:56 AM PST

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      •  sorry but... (0+ / 0-)

        the reality is that it must be said that we the american progressives have to a certain extent, failed. the "center" is farther right than it's ever been - which is saying a ton. this couldn't have happened had the american "left" not been so successfully marginalized in the '80's.

        i'm not concerned. i'm not apologizing. i'm pissed. but not without hope. the progressive-minded are more awake/aware now than we've been in a long time. but that's not enough. we were too few/weak/distracted/apathetic/choose your adjective here/ too long.

        it's not indictment of progressives i intend, but incitement. hope will not be realized unless we the progressives continue to fight with a firm grasp of the situation at hand, including where/how we must improve. and in 2011, with the re-birth of the birch society, and international crimes being committed openly in our name, and 40% of the public not bothering to vote at all, such improvement will have to get to the point where it is no longer very feasible for people like huckabee to utter their repugnant rhetoric and have any hope of being taken seriously... without him, and whoever says such things, being the one to issue swift and sincer apologies.

        we have a long way to go

        we have to build on what's going on in wisconsin. broaden it, deepen it. and i know it will take one step at a time. i just think we would benefit from some sober self-assessment to go along with our fervor, hope, optimism, etc.

        those international crimes, that loss of acorn (not just what but how it happened), and that 40± % who don't vote, to name a few, are deadly blows to the core of democracy in america. they are major obstacles to real progress. there is a very real, and insanely well-funded, assault going on against american ideals, and it is being conducted by a relative few, very wealthy, a-m-e-r-i-c-a-n-s, via banks, certain corporations, and religious zealots. they threaten us more than we comprehend. and they are obstacles that it falls to progressives, if we are to succeed in any meaningful way, to be the ones to overcome them. and it will not happen unless/until we have successfully marginalized the likes of those who helped perpetrate, or at least gloss over, how these two things came to be.

        it is not just Beck, but Hannity, Limbaugh, Boortz, Coulter, and a host of others, who should be limited to small market 4 a.m. radio gigs... not limited by rules or regulations, but by our progressive success in elevating the dialogue. which cannot begin until we recognize more fully how we can play a role in doing so.

        there are many "progressives" who think it best to ignore the vile extreme rhetoric. well, we've tried that for awhile now, and all i can say to that is go look at the impact the list above has on the national dialogue, not just in ratings. they legitimize lies and bullshit.

        so, anyway, it seems to me that we agree on principle and on goal. he should apologize.  i just add that it's not just him.

        it's not enough to fight the good fight, in the trenches or on the pr circuit. one also has to own up when one falls short. he got to the national stage for a reason. reasons we need to think about, and how we relate to them.

        rage on, comrade.

  •  He was here in Jerusalem the other week (5+ / 0-)

    laying a foundation stone or something for yet another Israeli settlement in East Jerusalem.

    Saying that he has no idea why Jews should not be allowed to build anywhere they want in the holy land.  Which means he must not have been following the story for the last 100-odd years.

    This story backs up my feeling that the alliance between the hard-core Israeli Right and the US Christian Conservatives is more about being anti-Muslim than it is about being pro-Israel.  After all, anyone with Israel's best interests at heart would not be helping to build settlements.

    I don't know much about this guy but he sounds like an ideal future presidential candidate for the tea party-led repubs, and one we should be worried about if he has the people skills.

    Now not-really-blogging from Sheikh Jarrah

    by ignatz uk on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 12:37:21 AM PST

  •  Charles Darwin: (3+ / 0-)
    Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.

    How simple it would be, really, for someone who considers himself a "man of God" to actually pick up a Qur'an and read it.  It's really not that difficult.

    But it's far simpler to remain ignorant and confident that he is right, and to continue spouting his utter hateful nonsense. If he ever were to learn that there is any relationship between Islam and Christianity, he might realize that Yahweh will hold him accountable for his share of mistreatment of Abraham's descendants. Jesus said to treat one another as he would treat us. He didn't exclude one third of the family.

    I guess, though,  it's like Dostoevsky's Grand Inquisitor explains, it's just easier to live in ignorance and die happily because you can't be held responsible for what you didn't know.

    I wonder if God is so easily fooled though. He's rather omniscient, I hear...

    It was the best of times, it was the worst of times... - C Dickens.

    by grover on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 01:23:00 AM PST

  •  Huchabee is an (0+ / 0-)

    appeaser, he says anything the audience in front of him wants to hear...He is not a reasonable person, he placates to those on the far right fringe.

    If there is a Hell, he will certainly rot in it when is passes on.

    I can name at least two of the 10 commandments that he has broken, starting with bearing false witness and thou shall not steal.

    Abraham Lincoln : "If any man tells you he loves America, yet hates labor, he is a liar."

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    by David Phillips on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 02:10:14 AM PST

  •  Re: the statement that Glen Beck is (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Kimball Cross

    accusing Muslim leaders of Egypt and Iran of trying to bring the AntiChrist to earth. I thought it was the right wing Christians who are promoting and hoping for Armageddon, etc. and are actively trying to breed a red heifer to usher it in. I think the AntiChrist is an essential part of their narrative so one would think they would be praising the Muslim leaders for their help.

    It's what you do, not what you believe that counts - thenekkidtruth

    by sewaneepat on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 03:53:31 AM PST

  •  Is "pbuh" now common internet jargon? (1+ / 0-)
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    Jeffersonian Democrat

    took me a second, decided I like it.  

    "It's too soon to tell". Mao, when asked about the consequences of the French Revolution.

    by Inland on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 05:22:11 AM PST

  •  if you are going to quote a verse. quote the whole (0+ / 0-)

    thing no matter how inconvient it is

    [5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity(hate) for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.
  •  If Mike Huckabee would read this diary (0+ / 0-)

    He's probably apologize. You fear the unknown.

    Thanks for writing this.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 07:05:57 AM PST

  •  Thank you for this, SulaymanF. (2+ / 0-)

    I am sick of ignorant people just spouting whatever BS horror-show claims they dream up to demonize Islam.

    Yes, Islamic fundies clearly have problems in their house. So do Christian fundies, the kind of people who quietly fed and sheltered the murderer Eric Rudolph, and who are jonesing for a religious World War.

    If those people paid attention for even a moment to their own religious "beliefs," they'd be amazed to find out just how much overlap the Bible and the Quran share.

    The overwhelming consensus of 2,000+ scientific experts from the IPCC& 18 US scientific assns: climate change is happening and is a growing threat to our world.

    by Cenobyte on Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 07:18:54 AM PST

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