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Greetings in absentia - my internet connection at home is on the fritz, so I've set up the open thread for auto-publication.  As I'm typing I'm playing some Corelli - -

I'm looking forward to a guest from out of town coming to visit for the weekend.  We will probably chill out most of the time.  I intend to show her some episodes of the defunct TV series Wonderfalls, which is awesome.  I strongly recommend it.

How's your Friday, weekend shaping up?

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  •  Hiya, Dirk. You won't see this until later (7+ / 0-)

    but hi anyway. Hope your weekend goes well. By the way, I love having houseguests.

    I am about to launch the introductory for my new DKos series "Anglican Kossacks". Besides discussing Anglican issues the focus will also be on social justice issues as well as LGBT issues in the church and LGBT spirituality. So far there are three of us in writing group and I am the moderator. I invite anyone interested to subscribe or to join the group to write. While the focus is Anglican it is not so exclusively. Though you might find that interesting, Dirk.

    Greetings and blessings to all.

    Don't f*ck with my civil rights. Regards, a gay guy.

    by commonmass on Fri Mar 04, 2011 at 08:26:02 AM PST

    •  I'll subscribe (3+ / 0-)
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      dirkster42, The Red Pen, commonmass

      --- if you'll let one of those PC(USA) types hang with you.  Of course I'm always half a day late to most of the parties around here.  Maybe it or I will improve.  

      Sometimes it's better to individually address a problem rather than just criticize our politicians for failing to do so.

      by texasmom on Fri Mar 04, 2011 at 12:29:41 PM PST

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      •  Don't fall for it commonmass! (2+ / 0-)
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        Splitters!

        (j/k) :-P

        Harboring resentment is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die.

        by The Red Pen on Sat Mar 05, 2011 at 05:31:02 AM PST

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      •  You are absolutely welcome, please do (1+ / 0-)
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        subscribe (are you following me? Diary will show up on your page if so). The introductory diary will be a little about what the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Communion is and I'll talk a little about where our focus will be, but most "liberal" protestants and social-justice oriented Roman Catholics as well as Jews and Muslims would probably find common ground on the social justice issues and therefore might be interested. I'd certainly like to see comments from all sorts of folks. The one thing I would love to have is an atheist writing for the group because in hanging out with them here on dKos I have found a great deal of commonality when it comes to social justice and compassion. I firmly believe that one needn't be a believer to struggle for what's fair, so I would love to see a non-theist view represented, too.

        Don't f*ck with my civil rights. Regards, a gay guy.

        by commonmass on Sat Mar 05, 2011 at 06:54:08 AM PST

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        •  Thank you (0+ / 0-)

          I have also learned a great deal from my atheist and agnostic friends at DK (along with many other beliefs.)  Quite frankly, very few people in this part of Texas will admit to non-belief.  For good reason.

          Sometimes it's better to individually address a problem rather than just criticize our politicians for failing to do so.

          by texasmom on Sat Mar 05, 2011 at 08:23:38 AM PST

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    •  Cool - (2+ / 0-)
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      The Red Pen, commonmass

      we'll probably republish some of your stuff in our group, too.

      Monocausality is the source of all our problems.

      by dirkster42 on Fri Mar 04, 2011 at 09:49:59 PM PST

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  •  I'm taking the offspring out to breakfast. (6+ / 0-)

    Then I'm doing laundry.  Church on Sunday - Lainie is still in town.

    According to the IRS, my refund will be mailed out today - my plans for the weekend after this one include buying a new countertop dishwasher.

  •  My plan is to recover from my bronchitis. (5+ / 0-)

    Love the Corelli.

    How about some Scarlatti next time?

    I am trying to write about the Religious Left and it is frustrating because at every turn I find out how much I do not know about the subject.

    And so it goes.

    I used to be Snow White. And then I drifted. - Mae West

    by CherryTheTart on Fri Mar 04, 2011 at 08:47:03 AM PST

  •  "True" and "Real" (3+ / 0-)
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    I'm taking over from my wife teaching adult Sunday school before mass this Sunday.

    I' m doing a session on science and religion.  It's ultimately about the rise of "scientism" in the 19th century.  This, in my definition, is the belief that all truths are scientifically provable and only provable truth is real.

    As compelling as this idea sounds, it's trivial to demonstrate that it's false.  Ironically, proponents of this view will attempt to defend it from criticism using claims that they cannot prove.  Still, it's an entrenched cultural artifact and and in moment of doubt, it's simplicity and certainty is appealing.

    I'm hoping to demonstrate in a 45 minute talk that like a lot of glib Modernism and Post-Modernism, it's brilliance fades quickly under any scrutiny whatsoever.

    Harboring resentment is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die.

    by The Red Pen on Fri Mar 04, 2011 at 09:05:31 AM PST

    •  Arguing against one's own definitions (0+ / 0-)

      does tend towards trivialtiy.

      •  Are you denying... (0+ / 0-)

        ...that there is a group of people who hold the views I describe?

        Harboring resentment is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die.

        by The Red Pen on Sat Mar 05, 2011 at 05:28:32 AM PST

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        •  I think that anyone who holds those views (0+ / 0-)

          will most likely disagree with your description of them.

          •  You may be right (0+ / 0-)

            So, you're pointing out that someone who holds the views I describe would likely disagree with my description of them as someone who holds the views I describe.

            Maybe.  We're not talking about the most self-aware people here.

            Harboring resentment is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die.

            by The Red Pen on Sat Mar 05, 2011 at 12:22:17 PM PST

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            •  They would disagree (0+ / 0-)

              that it is trivial to disprove them.

              •  Why would I care? (0+ / 0-)

                Lot's of people who are trivial to disprove don't think that they're trivial to disprove.

                Try having a conversation with a 9/11 Truther or a Birther.  It doesn't matter how solidly you debunk them, they either:

                1. don't understand what you're telling them, or
                2. don't want to believe it.

                So let's take the claim that all truths are scientifically probable.

                1. Joe owns a home -- free and clear.
                2. Joe dies and bequeaths the home to Jane.

                True or false: Jane owns the home.

                Answer: true.

                Now, explain a repeatable scientific experiment that would prove that someone owns a house.

                Harboring resentment is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die.

                by The Red Pen on Sat Mar 05, 2011 at 04:41:18 PM PST

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                •  "provable" not "probable" -- typo (0+ / 0-)

                  Harboring resentment is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die.

                  by The Red Pen on Sat Mar 05, 2011 at 04:42:17 PM PST

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                •  How far does non-scientific evidence get you (0+ / 0-)

                  in probate court? You don't see too many expert witnesses conducting séances these days.

                  •  You don't appear to understand (0+ / 0-)

                    ...what constitutes scientific evidence.

                    Scientific evidence does not require the interpretation that courts and juries provide.  "Peer review" is not a system where other scientists decide whether or not they accept your arguments, it requires repeatability of the experiments — something you can't do with a probate court proceeding.

                    Finally, while séances are not performed in court, the dead do speak through their wills.  A will is a recording of, well, someone's will — their intentions.  

                    Intentions cannot be measured scientifically. If they could, then, again, we wouldn't need trials.  We'd just attach people to the intention machine and it would tell us whether or not they meant to kill the pedestrian or whatever is the case.  Instead, a jury must decide "within a reasonable doubt" whether the accused committed a crime.  "A reasonable doubt" is a purely subjective measurement, and exactly the kind of thing that sciences wants nothing to do with.

                    You need to learn more about science.  Here's a good place to start:

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

                    As you will see from this article, science has little to say about most of what happens in our lives.

                    Harboring resentment is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die.

                    by The Red Pen on Sun Mar 06, 2011 at 10:32:36 AM PST

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                    •  Directly. (0+ / 0-)
                      Intentions cannot be measured scientifically. If they could, then, again, we wouldn't need trials.  We'd just attach people to the intention machine and it would tell us whether or not they meant to kill the pedestrian or whatever is the case.

                      Intentions can't be measured directly. Like many things, they can be inferred indirectly. I don't understand why you think that science is incapable of inference.

                      •  That's an interesting claim (0+ / 0-)
                        Intentions can't be measured directly. Like many things, they can be inferred indirectly.

                        No.

                        Sorry, but you don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about, so I really don't see any point in continuing this conversation any further.

                        Ciao.

                        Harboring resentment is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die.

                        by The Red Pen on Sun Mar 06, 2011 at 01:12:35 PM PST

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  •  Also trying to get over bronchitis... (3+ / 0-)
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    Hey, cherry...

    We had Dan Barker as a speaker at our UU church last weekend...a devout (?) atheist.  I am just about to start his new book "The Good Atheist"

    After church on Sunday, I will be helping prepare a meal for our local men's shelter.  I haven't cooked for 35 in a LONG time!

    "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering!" - The Shoveler

    by Pandoras Box on Fri Mar 04, 2011 at 11:21:36 AM PST

  •  Hi, I'm new to Soul Kos (4+ / 0-)

    I read about the group during the first week of DK4 and then got all discombobulated about navigating the site to find groups I'm interested in.  Glad I found you today.  

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