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At what point did Republicans declare war on teachers?

Florida Governor Rick Scott is the latest to decide that the best way to deal with budget issues it to go after those living-in-the-lap-of-luxury-parasites, public school teachers.

From today's Palm Beach Post:

Is a $2,335-a-year pay cut for the average teacher worth a $44.72 property tax savings for the average Florida homeowner with a homestead exemption?

That's a key question behind the math that Gov. Rick Scott's administration is banking on for his pared-back school spending plan as the legislature gears up to begin its annual session Tuesday.

And here's an easy answer to that question: no.

Seriously, what is the rationale behind the GOP's thinking on this assault against educators? Is it a general disdain for gosh darn book larnin'? Did the movers behind these efforts do so poorly in school that they are are acting on a long-simmering resentment against teachers? Or is it an insidious attack on a profession that is made up largely of women?

Inquiring minds want to know. And it seems that if the GOP has its way, there won't be any of those left in 20 years.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:45 PM PST.

Also republished by DKos Florida.

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  •  Rethugs (21+ / 0-)

    ~ think it's macho to beat up on teachers.

    Especially female teachers.

    "Guns don't kill people. People in states without gun-purchase background checks & waiting periods kill people." --John Fugelsang

    by Artryst on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:47:39 PM PST

    •  They don't like nurses either (10+ / 0-)

      96% women.  Particularly those nurses that work in public employment, like I did.  In fact, most public employees are .... women.

      Just like schoolyard bullies, they pick on those who they think are weak.  And they don't like women that do anything that's not involved with homemaking and (their own) child rearing.  Those women are just too uppity.

      "These protesters are a bunch of slobs" -- Wis State Sen Grothman (R-Wingnuttia). Who knew one day it would be heroic to be called a slob.

      by Puddytat on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:01:05 PM PST

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      •  Republicans don't like anything about (6+ / 0-)

        public education.  I've actually heard it argued that the NEA is trying to shove homosexuality down the throats of little school children, that it's part of the larger "homosexual agenda."  Of course, the truth is the greedy bastards just don't like paying for someone else's children to get an education and push the homosexual button to incite others to agree with them.

        It's a different story, however, when they want to get "vouchers" paid to home schoolers equal to the per student amount their local district spends. They hate paying taxes but they have no compunction whatsoever about collecting $30,000 - $40,000 per year to pay to keep their 4 - 6 children out of school.

        Either way, their dream is frank child abuse.  Too many children are beaten and/or molested by their own parents who think they have the further right to keep the abuse secret from any authorities.

        Aside from the need of individual children to be educated and for our society to have an educated work force, many children of home schoolers need protection as much as women in Afghanistan.

        Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal

        by RJDixon74135 on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:35:32 PM PST

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    •  Its why NCLB was started. (0+ / 0-)

      So they can "prove" teachers suck.  It really will be the downfall of public education and needs to be repealed.

      Sent via African Swallow carrying a coconut

      by ipaman on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 06:58:41 PM PST

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  •  Rush Limbaugh has 4 homes in FL (12+ / 0-)
    Bet he needs the $178.88 savings!

    "The Internet is the Public Square of the 21st Century"- Sen. Al Franken

    by Kdoug on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:47:44 PM PST

  •  Defund the left (20+ / 0-)

    Attack all unions Attack Hollywood. Attack trial lawyers. Attack Soros.

    Anyone with money who might use that money to stand up for the little guy must be destroyed.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:47:48 PM PST

  •  It's part of the drive to privatize education (27+ / 0-)

    They have been unable to shake teachers so far.
    Now they are just going to make it impossible to earn a living as a teacher. (Even more impossible than it already is)

    The answer to destroying our public schools will be vouchers. Our nation will suffer greatly for it.

    Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn. - Poor Richard's Almanac 1755

    by mungley on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:49:21 PM PST

    •  I think this (8+ / 0-)

      is a very likely explanation.

      Let tyrants fear.-Queen Elizabeth I

      by Virginia mom on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:55:09 PM PST

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      •  Not so much (9+ / 0-)

        Vouchers are a means to an end, not the end itself.  Vouchers for private schools = defunding public schools.

        The end game is an impoverished permanent underclass because it's no fun to be rich unless everyone else is poor.  

        An impoverished permanent underclass....

        1) won't unionize
        2) won't complain about unsafe workplaces
        3) won't complain about wage inequity

        and will...

        1) turn on each other based on anything so they can keep food in their bellies (the war on brown people, gay people, women and ferriners will be complete)
        2) keep the prisons full (more money for private prisons and absolute power over the prisoners)
        3) keep the volunteer army swarming (more money to be spent on superfluous wars and spreading empire)

        The end goal really is... absolute power over every aspect of your life from birth (issue: abortion) to death (issue: death with dignity) including whom you marry, and how much pain you get to endure.

        "You wanted Change. We said NO. Vote for us." - GOP

        by ultrageek on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:15:26 PM PST

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    •  Charter schools (8+ / 0-)

      In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, they eliminated the public school system in New Orleans and replaced it with charter schools. If there has to be public education, a premise they view with much disdain, then corporations ought to be able to at least make huge profits from it.

      Just watch. In states where these Repub govs push budgets that make it hard for schools to hire and pay qualified staff, they'll also push for replacing public schools with charter schools, and the fully loaded costs will be higher, but they won't care about that because it's okay as long as the money pads some company's profits and doesn't go to pay public servants. Remember student loans? These "budget crises" are a Republican invention to justify penalizing public servants, whom the rich folks generally despise.

    •  IIRC, those private prep schools are not cheap (2+ / 0-)
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      yet I don't know of anyone getting rich from owning or working for one.  Gee, why is that?  Maybe it's because those sky high tuition fees are what it actually costs to give their young people a quality education.

      A $3000 voucher just isn't going to hack it.

      Never meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer.--Bruce Graham

      by Ice Blue on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:33:46 PM PST

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    •  A religious right pander n/t (2+ / 0-)
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  •  let's take teacher property and give it to the (7+ / 0-)

    rest of us.


    that has some historically evil comparisons.

  •  D) All of the above (3+ / 0-)
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    They only call it Class War when we fight back.

    by lineatus on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:51:55 PM PST

  •  Is education too expensive? (11+ / 0-)

    Try ignorance. That's what the Republicans stand for. That's certainly MY message.

    "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

    by Ivan on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:53:31 PM PST

    •  it is that they are the perfect target. (6+ / 0-)

      harness the hatred of government from the right

      the " I don't have a pension, why should my tax dollars be paying for theirs?" twisted lie..

      the "unions are evil and ruining the middle class" lie..

      there is a group of people that can be singled out ..

      and blamed for all of this. and they have assets - their pensions..

      and they have salary levels..

      and they can twist it so they say....

      "see - if we take from them..everyone else can get a dividend (property tax reduction)..

      so we just take their wealth and spread it among the rest of us..

      a purely evil concept..

      has nothing to do with education or teaching at all.

    •  Not really on ignorance but morality (0+ / 0-)

      as they lie as they go on and on about anything that pops in their head,  Jack in the Box Bubbled Head mouthy bunch are not just ignorant but mean spirited as well as lying through their teeth just to watch our heads spin.  They have no moral compass and pew sitting don't count.  Devil does it all the time.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it !

      by Vetwife on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 05:22:20 PM PST

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  •  This should help destroy them (5+ / 0-)
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    in the suburbs with parents of children.  

    Trumka: "Absolutely Insane" to Extend Tax Cuts for Millionaires

    by TomP on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:54:40 PM PST

  •  Since schools are only for kids.... (6+ / 0-)

    they should pay for their own damn education.

    The party of Grumpy Old People strikes again.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't.

    by crystal eyes on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:54:50 PM PST

  •  Keep the people stupid makes them easier (5+ / 0-)
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    to control.

    Easily controled people believe whatever the hell you tell them.

    Reagan tore down the wall with his bare hands.
    We didn't REALLY commit geonocide against  the native americans to take their land.
    We are the best country in the world- DAMMIT.
    Jesus was an american.

    Etc, etc, etc.

    "I'm not scared of anyone or anything, Angie. Isn't that the way life should be?" Jack Hawksmoor

    by skyounkin on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:55:13 PM PST

    •  exactly (7+ / 0-)

      An ill-informed, ignorant populace is easier to control, and desperate for whatever scraps in the way of work they can find.  It will also create an enormous number of people with little or no other options than to join the military.

      The attack on teachers is just the latest gambit, their long standing war on facts, reason, and science has been the prelude.

      Bipartisanship: I'll hug your elephant if you kiss my ass

      by Uranus Hz on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:14:09 PM PST

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  •  I'm Tired (5+ / 0-)
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    Of Wall St. teachers stealing from us.

    Find me fast on Daily Kos by following me.

    by bink on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:55:27 PM PST

  •  I once heard a republican (3+ / 0-)

    claim the reason he had just made an incredibly stupid (even for him) comment was that he had been failed by public schools, and that's why we should get rid of them.

  •  Online education (10+ / 0-)

    I remember seeing an article a while back about a district in Florida replacing some teachers with 60 student computer labs minded by an attendant.  As far as I can tell the current attack on teacher is intended to pave the way for digital education.  While not all teachers will be replaced, as long as at least some are, that represents a major corporate profit center, especially with software that will need to be replaced periodically.

    Basically this is imposing taxes to give money directly to companies outside of the community, and using our children as pawns to do so. From Dictatorship to Democracy, Guide to Non Violent Protests. Because your sig should include a link that will get it banned in China.

    by sdelear on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:57:50 PM PST

    •  dingdingdingdingding (1+ / 0-)
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      You've discovered the Holy Grail of Education - Republican version. Why hire those expensive, graduate-degree-holding teachers. Pay an aide $8.00/hr, no benefits instead. Create a curriculum more suited to the fundie Republican mindset - none of that evilution - just Genesis, Bible readin', and 'rthmetic. none of that Special Education, just lock 'em in a closet if they can't read (which was actually done to a student of mine prior to his arrival in my classroom. The head of his former school, who was the Pastor's wife, thought the child was evil. It didn't take me very long for me to diagnose him as having dyslexia.)
      What a nightmare for our children!

    •  I teach at an enormous midwestern research (0+ / 0-)

      university, and we are just getting the first major hints-- the first dance-around-what-it's-really-about pressures-- at how the administration is now incorporating class size as a factor in our "productivity" when it comes time to job evaluations.

      Class size translates, in academic-ese, into "credit hours per faculty member".  Meaning, the more students you have in your course, the more credit hours you've taught.  And the more credit hours you've taught, the more money comes into the university, because of tuition income.  

      One of the easiest and quickest ways to expand class size is to teach a course online, or to do distance education.  Depending on the subject matter, you can really expand your class size dramatically when you offer the course online, in a way that classrooms in the bricks-and-mortar, meatspace setting might not accommodate.

      However, online/digital/distance classes are a lot more work for the instructor.  You've got a single instructor, but a class that's doubled in size.  More money for the university, yes; more "productivity" in the sense of "producing" more credit-hour revenue; but for the instructor, who is getting paid no more to teach 60 students than to teach 30--- to grade 60 people's work instead of 30 people's work; to respond to 60 people's emails and requests for help instead of 30 people's emails and requests for help; etc.--- it's not a sweet deal.

      But increasingly, we are being given to understand that we have to do something like this in order to raise our "productivity" levels.

      That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

      by concernedamerican on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 04:09:04 PM PST

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      •  Interesting question (0+ / 0-)

        I would assume certain courses might make more sense to deliver digitally than in person.  Most notably large lecture classes, especially when accompanied by labs or recitals anyway.

        In classes where discussion is not significant and creativity is not important, why not give them online?

        I believe MIT already does this for some courses.

        •  A lot depends on the subject matter. MIT might (1+ / 0-)
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          do this effectively, as do, already, engineering, chemistry, physics, etc. departments at the best universities all over the country.  If you're imparting formulae or theorems, where not a lot of debate or give-and-take discussion is required, then it's definitely workable to move to online education.  Large lecture classes are not much different, and chemistry 101, with 300 students in a lecture hall, is easily transferrable to a distance education format.

          But what if you're teaching Norwegian, or philosophy, or anthropology?  Don't you need a way to converse with students?  Debate ideas with them?  Engage in new discussions?  In that kind of situation, it's really not better-- in terms of learning outcomes-- to expand class size and make it harder for the instructor to follow a larger number of students' development, just for the purposes of getting more revenue.

          That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

          by concernedamerican on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 04:51:23 PM PST

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          •  I large agree (0+ / 0-)

            I was, in fact, thinking in particular of my long-ago freshman chemistry class.

            I suspect, introductory level language classes could also be taught online - while you are just learning basic vocabulary and grammar you are probably better using the computer; only once you reach the level where you are actually conversing would being in class with other be superior.

  •  The GOP wants an uneducated populace (8+ / 0-)

    The GOP wants to go back to a world where education was only for a few, for the rich. The GOP elites don't like it that their kids have to compete with smart kids from the wrong side of the tracks for entrance to the best schools.

    The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

    by A Citizen on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:57:52 PM PST

  •  Asses (4+ / 0-)
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    They're just assholes.  

    That's really all there is to it.  They're just attacking a group that they see as vulnerable.  

    "Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."

    by otto on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:58:46 PM PST

  •  What is a "homestead exemption" (1+ / 0-)
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    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:59:00 PM PST

  •  i said it once and i'll say it again (6+ / 0-)

    education (and, by extension critical thinking) is detrimental to the right wing agenda.

    to the republicans, ignorance is a virtue.

    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

    by alguien on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:59:53 PM PST

  •  follow the money (4+ / 0-)

    If you raise pay with seniority, you save the most money by laying off the most senior teacher,  If you lay off the most senior teacher, no one with a brain goes into the profession.  It's not that Rs hate teachers, it's that they hate taxes and can afford private schools.  Oh, and I hate Rs.

    Apres Bush, le deluge.

    by melvynny on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:00:19 PM PST

  •  Easy it strikes at almost all of the (4+ / 0-)
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    groups that conservatives loathe:

    a. public (aka non-religious) education
    b. anti-intellectualism
    c. unions
    d. government (through the guise of government workers)
    e. taxes (in this case property taxes)

    Teachers touch on all of these areas, they teach sex ed and evolution, they are generally government workers and in unions, and they get their pay from taxation.

    Oh, and they think they are so smart with all that book-lernin'

  •  I have been wondering lately... (5+ / 0-)

    could it be that what we are seeing is a political party so bereft of ideas that this is all they have left? Is this a party in it's last throes?

    After all this, how can ANYONE vote republican. I mean anyone that earns less than 250K that is.

    Those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither. (Paraphrasing B. Franklin)

    by p a roberson on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:03:20 PM PST

  •  It's the GOP's tacit acknowledgement (7+ / 0-)

    that an ignorant and uneducated constituency is the best way, perhaps they only way, for them to remain a viable party in the future.  The demographics are against them.

    They're building their base by tearing down the pillars of education.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" - MLK

    by edwardssl on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:05:38 PM PST

  •  Pure and simple answer: (7+ / 0-)

    Republicans are hostile to the idea that public schools that turn out  graduates with critical thinking skills, and the ability to tell bullshit from shinola would never, ever vote for a Republican.

    Second item, if all the public employee unions are busted, and the dues are not withheld, then they think that the unions will just roll over and die without a fight.  They think that by de-funding unions, seven of the ten largest political funders sending their money to Republicans will become 10 out of the top ten fundraisers sending their dollars to Republicans.

    It helps their cause if most of the critically affected unions are from professions that hire more women than men, because, well Republicans want to turn back the clock on women's rights, and reproductive freedom to 1955, or before the pill, before generally legal abortions, when thousands of women were sterilized, or killed because of back street butchers were the only options available to poor women who had unintended pregnancies.

    Busting teacher, nurse and clerical unions helps to put women back in the place where Republcians want them.  They think that busting the building trade unions would be a good thing as well.  It's all about power to a Republican.

    Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

    by Ohiodem1 on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:06:13 PM PST

  •  Keep the population ignorant (3+ / 0-)
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    and they will continue to believe Fox News and vote Republican. We don't need no edumacation.

    "The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also." -- Mark Twain

    by rambler american on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:06:38 PM PST

  •  Dylan Ratigan segment on tonight, with some (4+ / 0-)
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    shill for Gates and their 'we've just got to live with larger class sizes' crapola, claiming we could still improve to offset with ever fewer resources.  Thankfully, they had someone on to oppose and state that smaller class sizes is one of only 4 ways scientifically proven to get better results.

    •  Someone linked to Gates' op-ed (2+ / 0-)
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      last week. This particular nugget of large class sizes struck me as phenomenally counterproductive. His claim was that "good" teachers would be happy to increase class size if they got more cash. I know good teachers and I've heard nothing but the contrary from every single one when it comes to class size. Re cash, they are just hopeful to have enough to pay rent and bills...but they aren't prepared to sell their students out to wallow in dough.
      Is there a teacher on the planet who got into the profession to hit the big time? Give me a break!

  •  Teachers every where should (0+ / 0-)

    engage in a national walkout for about a week.  Once the kiddies are under foot for about a week, maybe those waging the war on teachers will have an new appreciation for their value.

    •  It would backfire (0+ / 0-)

      Working parents would have to scramble for child care, or even miss work for a week. It would be financially onerous. Teachers would be attacked as caring more about their own wallets than those of their students' parents.

      2.) Teachers would be attacked for abandoning their students' educations. "Obviously they care more about their wallets than their students."

      It would be sold as blackmail.

      You want a better walkout? Have the teachers withhold their students' final grades, with the exceptions of grades for graduating high school seniors.

      Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

      by Louise on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 04:08:41 PM PST

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  •  When? Well, just ask yourself, what (6+ / 0-)
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    is this about.

    This is about getting public money into private schools.  And that goes back to the 60s.  And what pissed conservatives off during the 60s that centered around schools?

    The war on science and regulating religion in schools has just encouraged this trend.  This is about evolution, prayer, and yes, racism.  

  •  one theory that i hold (2+ / 0-)
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    is that the republicans who are now running things did SOOOO BADLY in school that they began to look at teachers as the enemy- which once again, adding credence to the whole issue of republicans never being responsible for anything and blaming everyone else for their fuck ups.

    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

    by alguien on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:12:06 PM PST

  •  It's simple: these are public schools (8+ / 0-)

    I thought everyone knew what this was about. Having grown up in a Republican family, and in the deep south, I've seen this my whole life. Republicans in power will never miss an opportunity to reduce the quality and standards of public schools. In their society, only the wrong sorts of people attend public school, and those sorts of people don't need a quality education. A quality education might make them start getting uppity; perhaps even lead them to think they could go to college or something. Good teachers should only find jobs in private schools. It's one way the wealthy try to make sure that only other wealthy folks have opportunities in this country.

  •  Show me where it (1+ / 0-)
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    says "educated middle class" in the Constitution. Nowhere! The founding fathers wrote it, I believe it, that settles it!

    Thank-you Mike Huckabee for warning us about the Mau Mau threat to our way of life!

    by Red Bean on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:13:15 PM PST

  •  No, the war is on public education (6+ / 0-)
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    and has been for years and years.  If public education can be destroyed in favor of private, for-profit schools, then the rich elite can be assured of tip-top educations while the poor & middle classes scrabble for just OK or poor educations....the rich elite, by virtue of their superior schools that they can afford, stay on top & control the masses underneath.  The calls for the elimination of the Dept of Education: return education to state control without any oversight from the feds whatsoever. Any doubt what will happen to public ed in the red states? Private schools without federal oversight will pick & choose the kids they want...white.  

    The only way to ensure absolute equal opportunity for every child in America is if a strong, vibrant, well funded public education is available to all. This "sudden" attack on teachers is an attack on public the teachers poorly, take away their hard-won rights and watch the quality of public education die, die, die.  And what will take its place? Private, exclusive schools for the rich whites, slim pickings for all others.  This is part of the class war....gotta keep those lower classes stupid & stuck in low-paying jobs, doncha know.

    This whole world's wild at heart and weird on top....Lula

    by anninla on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:16:23 PM PST

  •  it is entirely political (6+ / 0-)

    When someone polled teachers and learned that 90% of them are Democrats, the Republican eyes were opened.  This took place about 10 years ago, about the same time that NCLB showed up, and about the same time that the non-existent Phonics-Whole Language War was raging.  Someone mentioned their worship of money and voila- The billion-dollar education coercion industry was fashioned out of the whole-cloth of Reading First mandates and delegated-to-state rules.

    In short:  The same Republicans who already sold their souls for power went ahead and sacrificed the next two generations of children to further consolidate that power.

    Republicans:  The best lying demonizers ever.

    Poverty exists in direct proportion to greed.

    by jcrit on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:18:00 PM PST

    •  This attack is far older than 10 years (2+ / 0-)
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      It's been going on since the 1960s at least. Public school teachers have been the GOP enemy since universal education was passed.

      But attacking teachers is just one more way to attack universal education, and it is a purely class-based attack. If you can keep students uneducated, you can both render them stupid enough to be easily led - and more importantly, make them unable to compete economically.

      Thomas Jefferson knew that universal education would enable America to escape a wealth-based class sytem. tried to get universal education for all passed, but did not live to see it.

      Jefferson's rejected scheme was based on the principle that universal education results in a population of good citizens.  The plan involved an educational progression that started with elementary school.  These schools would be free to all children and be established within a day's ride of every citizen; however, attendance would not be compulsory.  Subjects taught at elementary schools would include reading, writing, arithmetic, and geography.  The six objectives of primary education according to Jewett (1997) were as follows:

          * to give citizens the knowledge needed to conduct personal business
          * to allow the citizen to calculate, express, and preserve ideas and accounts in writing
          * to improve morals and faculties through reading
          * to comprehend the citizen's duties to his neighbors and country
          * to know rights and develop prudence in their administration
          * to act with intelligence and faithfulness in social relations.

      He wanted to use education to undermine a "pseudo-aristocracy" based on wealth. His final (unpassed) proposals to create free secondary schools and colleges based on merit were to automatically nullify class rule.  

      Jefferson is a hero when it comes to education. If the Tea Partiers only knew his attitude... and why he was such a strenuous defender  of free education that was more than just the mastery of facts!

      In the second half of the 19th century, Horace Mann championed the belief that everyone was entitled to the same content in education. Mann's early efforts focused primarily on elementary education and on preparing teachers. "By 1900, 31 states required children to attend school from the ages of 8- to 14-years-old. As a result, by 1910 72 percent of American children attended school. Half the nation's children attended one-room schools. In 1918, every state required students to complete elementary school."

      As you can see, universal common education is found in the state constitutions, not in the Federal one. Therefore, the GOP will work to destroy schools by taking a state-by-state approach, changing the definition of what constitutes a "common education" to one that emphasize the regurgitation of facts rather than the creation of thinking citizens,

      Universal education for children, as opposed to work, was one of the pillars of the Progressive movement. It's one of the things that the Republicans hate the Progressive movement for, and why they are working to destroy it.

      Democracy *means* Anti-Plutocracy. Democrats, be true to your Self and win!

      by Louise on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 05:01:32 PM PST

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    •  "They're never going to vote R (1+ / 0-)
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      so F 'em"--that's my take on it too.

      Hey, let's cut taxes for one of our constituencies, take the money from teachers' salaries.

      Public employees, who vote D, pockets waiting to be picked.

      Destroy the unions to stay in power.

      Use that power to siphon off wealth.

      From your enemies, to your friends.

  •  Yes... (5+ / 0-)
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    ...if the GOP has its way, there won't be any of those (inquiring minds) left in 20 years.

    Hammer. Nail. Head.

    Dumb 'em down so they're easier to dupe, have fewer options and will do what they're told for peanuts.

    My brother used to lobby for a power cooperative in South Carolina. He saw agricultural and milling lobbyists lobby against education reform time and again. They wanted to reduce the options of the labor pool to keep cheap labor abundant. Heinous.

    The GOP is the party for cheap labor and the creation of a large economic lower class. They care only for the powerful and wealthy. They have been so for so long, that they have become complacent and no longer feel the need to hide it.

    "Love is hot. Truth is molten." Donovan

    by Gentle Giant on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:18:40 PM PST

  •  This is the greatest GOP strategic fail yet (8+ / 0-)

    My parents, both evangelical christian conservatives in their 70's, voted for & donated to Scott Walker.
    Over the past 3 weeks, I've watched them react to Scott in shock, awe & now anger.
    My parents, lifelong republicans & neo conservatives are changing right before me. They are OUTRAGED at the recent GOP sentiments that teachers are somehow "lazy free loaders"
    My mom even started sighting Germany's generous budget for education stating, "we need to be more like those countries, we're getting left in the dust!"
    My father an evangelical preacher, even shot back at church attendees whom he's heard dissing teachers and union workers...
    My dad said from the pulpit, (paraphrasing) "Now i've heard alot of political talk around here lately...i just want to say that regardless of whichever political perspective you may lean, many of our most loyal, dedicated members of this church have been union members & teachers, so watch what you say."

    My dad told me over lunch this week that he hopes Scott Walker is recalled. Declaring an extremist, blatant war on teachers & working people is alienating ALOT of republican voters.  

    •  Delighted to hear it! (1+ / 0-)
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      Now, if they're circling the bait, can you reel them in a little more?

      Hey parents.  If the GOP would do a thing like this--indeed, make it some kind of do-or-die hill to defend--indeed, roll it out in every state they could--

      If this is what they stand for,

      If this is the kind of vile thing they say about a group of people, and do to people, to gain political advantage

      Is it just possible that all the things I've been trying to say to you are real?

  •  Don't Forget (5+ / 0-)
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    The funding for schools, or the school boards are so bad, that in many area's of the country, if not most, especially at the grade school level, Teachers are buying supplies out of pocket, theirs. As well as communities have barrel setups for donations of same school supplies atn least once a year as schools are starting!!

    Their attacks on school teachers make no sense except their local want, like with unions, to totally destroy the whole system and make profit off of education asv they already do with so called higher education industry, most not really getting educated and most not getting jobs in the fields their papers say they are educated in!

    "I wrote, 'Dear Western governments. You have been supporting the regime that was oppressing us for 30 years. Please don't get involved now. We don't need you.' " - Wael Ghonim 13 Feb. 2011

    by jimstaro on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:19:13 PM PST

  •  I'd love to see Scott fill a teacher's shoes in (5+ / 0-)
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    an inner city school.  In my opinion, teachers don't get paid enough-and I'm sure its a lot less than Scott makes.

    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all the people. Noam Chomsky

    by willkath on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:21:14 PM PST

  •  get rid of them (0+ / 0-)

    The only way we are going to get america back, kick evert re-puck and half of the dems that sold there souls out. We need people that will stand up to big business, banks. wallstreet, and put laws on lobby firms to just a few hours a week, no lobby firms cannot write ant bills.

  •  This quote says it all in my book- (11+ / 0-)
    "Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army."
    Edward Everett

    Read more:

    "A liberal is a man or a woman or a child who looks forward to a better day, a more tranquil night, and a bright, infinite future." ~Leonard Bernstein

    by lyvwyr101 on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:26:34 PM PST

  •  Conservatism is an anti-future movement. (4+ / 0-)
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    They want to conserve the "good ole days" and that's about it.  

    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. --John F. Kennedy

    by Beelzebud on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:29:03 PM PST

  •  Has Someone Been Not Listening to Republicans? (1+ / 0-)
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    They oppose public education. They don't want it to exist.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:49:05 PM PST

  •  Obviously they don't care if there is no one to (0+ / 0-)

    educate their children because they can just do it themselves and teach them all about "family values" and the "American dream."

    "It may look dark tonight, but if I hold on to hope, tomorrow will be brighter."

    by apip0115 on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:50:02 PM PST

  •  If yew can reed (2+ / 0-)
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    yew mite lern sumthing that heps yew two think. this is no gud four the reerin of yung republicins. two much thinkin awfun ledes to reeson witch has no plays in the GOP.

  •  All I can say is give them rope (0+ / 0-)

    I don't know what idiotic train of though led to a campaign to assault fricking teachers as overpaid, but I'm thrilled to let the GOP run with this.  There's going to be so many shiny golden nuggets of video we can replay over and over again come election time.  

    And in the meantime, please use the phrase "War on Teachers" as much as possible.  It is great, and is a perfect summary on how absurd Tea Party GOP policy really is.

  •  So, people will sell their children and/or (1+ / 0-)
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    grandchildren’s future for $44.

    This country makes me very sad at times.  This is one of them.  I hope people in Florida and other places wake before we become a third world country.

  •  & last week obama was in fl. with JEB bush (0+ / 0-)

    huckstering some edu-ma-cation bullshit.

    at least from the right wing I expect this kind of crap.


    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

    by seabos84 on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 04:03:37 PM PST

  •  You have the reason in front of you (2+ / 0-)
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    Inquiring minds want to know. And it seems that if the GOP has its way, there won't be any of those left in 20 years.

    The Republican strategy requires fooling people into believing ever more absurd lies. A public educated beyond what is needed to operate the machinery is dangerous.

  •  WHY? (0+ / 0-)

    Why must liberals make everything into a PERSONAL attack when it happens to be a Republican who's in charge?  It's about $$ and control, people.  Nothing more.  I suppose President Obama was "attacking" families when he threatened a financial penalty to those who do not buy health insurance for themselves.  

  •  Being a teacher myself (1+ / 0-)
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    I was nervous about this attack on public school teachers.  I know the Republicans want to end public education, they have for decades (and I should know, I was once a Young Republican).  But even knowing they want to end public school, I never thought they would openly try to destroy it.  They were committed to sneak attackes like "vouchers" and "charters".  Years ago they knew that if they did a frontal attack they would piss off one of the largest group of profesionsal in the United States.  But now with these demagogue Republicons in power, so obsessed with appeasing the rightest of right-wind nut jobs, they decide now is the time for a direct assault.  End collective bargaining, cut so many teachers that each classroom has 40 plus kids (now many have 30 plus, which let me tell you is not that easy to manage).  All of this done to make the public schools fail.

    But we are seeing the results of what happens when there is a direct attack on public schooling in Wisconsin.  People come out in droves to support those who do so much for the children!  One of the largest professional classes is beginning to awaken and they see what the future holds if Repugnants such as Walker and Christie get their way.  I think this is the high water mark of the Radical Right, or at least I hope it is!

    "The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." - H. L. Mencken

    by Mathonwy Mahony on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 04:35:12 PM PST

  •  For GOP to listen (1+ / 0-)
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    Mathonwy Mahony

    ---We need to reach their constituents who will see the irony and demand change.

    Hope Jon Stewart does more of this.  

    Protect Democracy. Keep lying GOP out of the People's House.

    by timber on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 04:40:44 PM PST

  •  Rachel called it (0+ / 0-)

    It's part of the attack on unions//the permanent R majority.

    Among the top three 10 political spenders, one of the three that are Dem, is the teachers union.

    So of course, their union has a bullseye on it.

    But why grab their money, to give a tax break to property owners?

    Because they've already been declared the enemy (why, did you know these guys only work 9 months a year!).  So, while you've got them pinned under the bus, pick their pockets some.  They'll never vote R, so f 'em.

  •  average head of household (0+ / 0-)

    income in ohio, 32000, average teacher salary 51000

  • rallies TOMORROW (0+ / 0-)

    in Florida, MARCH 8

    The Seminole Democrat
    A blue voice calling from the deep red

    by SemDem on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 05:58:23 PM PST

  •  Quasi on-topic (0+ / 0-)

    My wife reached the 'oh no you din't' point on their war on teachers and started a teacher appreciation page here:

    Stop by and share your memories of your favorite teacher. And apologies if I'm thread-jacking... just seems very important, given the shit they're pulling.

  •  they think teachers are liberal (2+ / 0-)
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    IARXPHD, boophus

    or even radical left wingers.  teachers represent a loss of control by the right wing. rightwingers fear that when they send their holy right wing, god fearing kids to school they will learn evil SCIENCE, or they will learn about HISTORY, not just bible history and not just right wing history. they might have to interact with kids and teachers who are DIFFERENT from them and come from DIFFERENT backgrounds. they might have to read a book other than the bible. they might have to later learn evil things like psychology . and of course everyone know teachers are trying to program kids into having loose morals, by teaching them how to have sex , use drugs, and worship satan, like all liberals and democrats do.

  •  I think part of the reason for the war on (0+ / 0-)

    teachers and public schools is that they want more widespread indoctrination of children into their right-wing ideology.  Private schools are more reliably conservative.

  •  One small comparison for you all: (0+ / 0-)

    Slaves in the South weren't allowed to be educated at all. That's the GOP's ideal working class. You don't want the proles to start asking questions, so you make sure they aren't ever taught to ask questions.

    They only call it class war when we hit back.

    by jayjaybear on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 05:40:22 AM PST

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