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There are quite a few states where Republicans are trying to enact the "make it harder for Democratic-leaning groups to vote" part of their agenda: up to 32 states, in fact. Mostly these measures would require photo ID to vote, a requirement that would disproportionately affect younger and African-American voters.  Naturally the justification is "voter fraud"—usually code for "brown people voting" and much less common than "fraud committed to potential voters."

But while anyone who follows these efforts knows their partisan intent, and understands the racism frequently involved, Republicans usually at least try to make it sound aboveboard. Not so much in New Hampshire this time around, though.

New Hampshire's new Republican state House speaker is pretty clear about what he thinks of college kids and how they vote. They're "foolish," Speaker William O'Brien said in a recent speech to a tea party group.

"Voting as a liberal. That's what kids do," he added, his comments taped by a state Democratic Party staffer and posted on YouTube. Students lack "life experience," and "they just vote their feelings."

New Hampshire currently has same-day voter registration, which Republicans in the state legislature would like to put a stop to. Additionally, they would prevent college students from voting in the towns in which they attend college unless they had prior residence there. Instead, students would have to vote in the towns they came from, even (or maybe especially) if that forced them to vote in another state.

The sponsor of the bill ending same-day registration is also particularly irked by students voting:

Average taxpayers in college towns, he said, are having their votes "diluted or entirely canceled by those of a huge, largely monolithic demographic group . . . composed of people with a dearth of experience and a plethora of the easy self-confidence that only ignorance and inexperience can produce."

Their "youthful idealism," he added, "is focused on remaking the world, with themselves in charge, of course, rather than with the mundane humdrum of local government."

And that's Dartmouth students. Just imagine how hysterical these guys would be about black and brown people voting if New Hampshire was any less than 95% white.

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  •  This is a serious WTF moment. (37+ / 0-)

    I didn't fight for the right to vote back in the sixties to let assholes like this try and take the right away from people old enough to die for their country.

    -6.25 -7.08 The glass is neither half-full nor half-empty. The glass is just twice as large as it needs to be.

    by Unit Zero on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:34:11 AM PST

    •  Speaking of WTF in NH (11+ / 0-)

      They're also making moves to gut the anti-bullying bill passed in the last session by Democrats.

      The Making Bullying Easier Act.

      Way to go NH GOP. How are the jobs and budget issues coming along?

      When I was young, I thought money was the most important thing in life. Now that I'm old - I know it is.--Oscar Wilde

      by Scott Wooledge on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:43:19 AM PST

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      •  Why, they'd be just as angry... (2+ / 0-)
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        Unit Zero, neroden

        As the new Repub leaders of the North Carolina State House and Senate are...and that's why THEY are pushing a carbon-copy of that bill Repubs in New Hampshire want to pass. But fortunately our governor, Bev Perdue (D) stands in the way--and will undoubtedly veto their bill here.

        So young people are "foolish", huh? Guess that idiot wants to raise the minimum voting age back up to 21 while he's at it, too?

        "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."--George Santayana

        by GainesT1958 on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 11:26:45 AM PST

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        •  New Hampshire's governor is a Democrat (3+ / 0-)
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          Unit Zero, neroden, arpear

          and will veto these bills as well.  I hope and suspect that a number of the state's Republican's are counting on John Lynch's vetoes so that they can say that they tried but the 'Democrat' Governor spoiled the party.  Republicans have a veto-proof majority in the legislature; it will be interesting to see if and how votes change on the override.

          ----- GOP found drowned in Grover Norquist's bathtub.

          by JimWilson on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 11:38:38 AM PST

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    •  Exactly (3+ / 0-)
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      dinazina, Unit Zero, neroden

      Next time they need to deploy some troops, anybody not allowed to vote due to not having enough life experience better be on the plane ride to war.

    •  Exact same thing happening in Colorado. (6+ / 0-)

      Our Secretary of State is holding a press conference today with Republican State House members to push through a "voter citizenship verification bill."

      Long story, real real short, it's a bill to disenfranchise people who look Latino or have Latino sounding names. Welcome to the 21st century Republican Party.

      They're like the Inspector Clouseaus' of the blogging world.

      by Pager on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:53:18 AM PST

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    •  *facepalm* (7+ / 0-)

      People who vote Republican are wise and know how to vote.  The rest of us are dumb because:

      1) we care more about people than corporate profits.
      2) we care about a woman's ability to say what she can do with her own body.
      3) we are sick of perpetual war.
      4) we don't think it's anyone's business what happens in someone else's bedroom.

      That's all just youthful idealism?  What a schmuck.

    •  Here in the Granite State .... (5+ / 0-)

      ..... same-day registration was passed by the GOP-led Legislature back in the 1990's, but not to make it any easier for people to register.

            Instead, it was done in order to avoid having to comply with the Clinton Administration's Motor Voter Law (which exempted states that allowed same-day registration). The GOP reckoned that they didn't want citizens to be offered voter registration materials when they visited the DMV to register their vehicle.

           So ........ does this mean they're willing to accept Motor Voter now?

      "We should pay attention to that man behind the curtain."

      by Ed Tracey on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:48:56 AM PST

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      •  the only non-Motor Voter state? (3+ / 0-)
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        Ed Tracey, Unit Zero, neroden

        I recall the objections to Motor Voter, and I also recall that for a long time NH was the only state that didn't have voter registration forms available on the web.  Is all that still true?

        It's a very strange state.  Wasn't there a time when they forfeited federal highway money so as to avoid encouraging adults to buckle up when they're in a car?  They couldn't stop the child-safety seatbelt law, but adults wanted to be able to Live (seatbelt-)Free Or And Die.

        grok the "edku" -- edscan's "revelation", 21 January 2009

        by N in Seattle on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:57:04 AM PST

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    •  Except this isn't at all related to that (0+ / 0-)

      Nobody is telling college students that they can't vote. They are telling them to vote where they are residents, rather than where they go to school.

      The basic complaint is that college students (largely not local tax payers) vote for things like tax levies and bonds and whatnot which they don't pay for and then leave the community when they graduate.

      If you want to be a citizen of the community, then make it your permanent residence there.

      •  asdf (4+ / 0-)
        The basic complaint is that college students (largely not local tax payers) vote for things like tax levies and bonds and whatnot which they don't pay

        So, in your view, renters (who also don't directly pay for "local taxes") should have no vote in the community they live in?

        We should bring back the idea that only landowners should be able to vote?

        I Don't Think So.

        -6.25 -7.08 The glass is neither half-full nor half-empty. The glass is just twice as large as it needs to be.

        by Unit Zero on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 12:27:54 PM PST

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      •  Many are domiciled at school. (1+ / 0-)
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        skrekk

        This is simply a scheme for preventing them from establishing their domicile.  It's a direct attack on the 14th amendment.

        Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

        by neroden on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 01:54:55 PM PST

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  •  How would this even work? (3+ / 0-)
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    Joe Bob, Unit Zero, gchaucer2
    Additionally, they would prevent college students from voting in the towns in which they attend college unless they had prior residence there. Instead, students would have to vote in the towns they came from, even (or maybe especially) if that forced them to vote in another state.

    I was under the impression that any election you vote in is based on where you live. College students who live in city A but attend college in city B can't vote in city B's elections (mayor, city council, etc).

  •  "The Fairness in Voting Act"??!? (3+ / 0-)
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    HugoDog, neroden, BobSoperJr

    Can someone, anyone in the democratic party who gives a shit about helping all Americans vote introduce something like "The Fairness in Voting Act" (a name I just made up) that makes it a Felony to deny legal voters the right to vote?  Or something like this?  This is getting freaking RIDICULOUS.

  •  And... (5+ / 0-)

    ...we wouldn't want folks to vote their feelings.

    Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-

    by boran2 on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:37:39 AM PST

  •  Let me guess. (11+ / 0-)

    The NH House speaker is not holding Fox viewers to the same standard.

    Average taxpayers in college towns, he said, are having their votes "diluted or entirely canceled by those of a huge, largely monolithic demographic group . . . composed of people with a dearth of experience and a plethora of the easy self-confidence that only ignorance and inexperience can produce."

    That sounds more true of Fox News viewers than the college students I know.

    ...someday - the armies of bitterness will all be going the same way. And they'll all walk together, and there'll be a dead terror from it. --Steinbeck

    by Seldom Seen on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:37:53 AM PST

    •  I'd love to see (0+ / 0-)

      a "fair and balanced" (sorry) IQ test - at least to hold office, and maybe even for voting.

      I hate to see people vote their feelings instead of understand who would best represent their real interests. (aka Tea baggers)

      If only we could find a fair test, that measured something useful, that wasn't susceptible to abuse, that everyone could agree to.

      Maybe "everyone get a vote" really is better than trying to pick the elctorate to fit my own personal preferences.

  •  So what happened since the 1970s? (6+ / 0-)

    This issue came up in numerous college towns in the 1970s after the voting age was lowered to 18, when local voter registrars tried to keep college students from voting in college towns (for more or less the same reason as NH Republicans now).  It went to the Supreme Court (I recall the case was from Cambridge, MA but I could be wrong), and the college students won.  Much of the initiative for easier voting came because so many aflluent white kids experienced firsthand being told that they didn't have the right to vote even though the Constitution clearly said otherwise.

  •  voting like the rest of the town (2+ / 0-)
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    liberaldregs, Tracker
    And that's Dartmouth students. Just imagine how hysterical these guys would be about black and brown people voting if New Hampshire was any less than 95% white.
    Why would the Republicans in the General Court be bothered about Dartmouth students?  Hanover votes about 75% Democratic with or without them.

    Nor would the party percentages be altered very much in Durham or Keene by making it difficult for students to vote.  Maybe there would be some effect in Plymouth...

    Please don't construe this comment as support for the GOP position.

    grok the "edku" -- edscan's "revelation", 21 January 2009

    by N in Seattle on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:39:59 AM PST

    •  It matters statewide (4+ / 0-)

      Most Dartmouth students, and a lot of UNH students, come from out of state.  And even if you discount this, it makes it harder to register students on campus so the kids are just plain less likely to vote.

      •  yes, I know (1+ / 0-)
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        RethinkEverything

        I was one of those out-of-state Dartmouth students in the 1971 election.  If there was anything to be voted on in that off-off-year, I would have voted absentee in New Jersey.

        I hadn't been eligible to vote (in either New Jersey or New Hampshire) in 1968, 1969, or 1970 ... when I was 18, 19, and 20.  By the time the 26th Amendment went into effect (in July 1971), it was only a couple of months before I turned 21.  Thus, the first time I was able to cast a vote, people three years younger than me were also newly eligible.

        Really, though, I was just being a tad snarky in the original comment.

        grok the "edku" -- edscan's "revelation", 21 January 2009

        by N in Seattle on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:03:44 AM PST

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    •  Betcha it's local real estate (1+ / 0-)
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      neroden

      Local residents getting their votes "diluted" by college votes?

      I'm willing to bet that the pupetmaster behind all this is a local real estate magnate who wants local regs more friendly to property owners and less friendly to renters.

      The smaller you go in politics, the more it's really about the local real estate empresarios.

  •  People died (11+ / 0-)

    in the 60s for the right to vote. People died. One could make a good argument that military folks should vote in their home state, not the state where they are stationed. Interesting that no Republican has suggested this-could it be because military tend to vote Republican?

    Let tyrants fear.-Queen Elizabeth I

    by Virginia mom on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:40:09 AM PST

  •  Offer them something GOP...maybe they'll vote (1+ / 0-)
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    RethinkEverything

    for your sorry asses.

  •  Kids (12+ / 0-)

    are really to foolish to vote correctly but absolutely intelligent when it comes to send them off as canon fodder.  Years ago, I thought I had reached my limit of contempt for Republicans -- I, as an old broad, was foolishly incorrect.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:40:48 AM PST

  •  Memo to NH Poll Workers (0+ / 0-)

    If someone votes for a Democrat that vote is in error and should be discarded.

  •  Governor is a democrat (2+ / 0-)
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    Unit Zero, BobSoperJr

    I assume a veto would take care of this problem?

  •  Any chance of those bills passing? (3+ / 0-)

    Will the Dem governor veto them?

  •  student disenfranchisement (7+ / 0-)

    Seems like this would be pretty easy to challenge on constitutional grounds. The bill seems to be in violation of both Part I, article 11 of the NH State Constitution,

    All elections are to be free, and every inhabitant of the state of 18 years of age and upwards shall have an equal right to vote in any election. Every person shall be considered an inhabitant for the purposes of voting in the town, ward, or unincorporated place where he has his domicile.

    as well as the 26th Amendment of the US Constitution:

    The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

    Any attorneys out there care to comment?

  •  Do Dartmouth students (2+ / 0-)
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    Aquarius40, Unit Zero

    have an opinion about being potentially disenfranchised?  Is it possible to wake up college students to the fact that it their future and their rights that are being endangered by the GOP?

    "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." Maya Angelou

    by ahumbleopinion on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:42:12 AM PST

  •  a different world (1+ / 0-)
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    Unit Zero

    We would have a vastly different electorate if we could prevent people who vote by their feelings and don’t pay attention to the mundane humdrum of government from voting. There are a lot of people who fit that description and most of them aren’t college students.

    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

    by Joe Bob on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:42:21 AM PST

  •  Does this mean college students (4+ / 0-)

    Are expect from

     - selective service?
     - following local laws ? (Drinking age / Mary Jane usage?)
     - taxes ?

    It might not be a bad deal, maybe I should go back to school.

    Also, if you work part time are you allowed to vote?

    Just want to here the full policey ...

    You can ask the questions or provide the answers. If you are going to do both, I don't need to be in the conversation.

    by Edge PA on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:42:31 AM PST

    •  I asume you meant Exempt (3+ / 0-)
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      Edge PA, RethinkEverything, arpear

      rather than expect.

      I agree though, If someone is old enough to die for their country, they are old enough to vote.

      I didn't fight and bleed for the right to vote to see it taken away by scum like this.

      -6.25 -7.08 The glass is neither half-full nor half-empty. The glass is just twice as large as it needs to be.

      by Unit Zero on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:05:59 AM PST

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      •  Exempt (1+ / 0-)
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        neroden

        I agree with you 100%.  I was going for absurd to prove a point of just how dumb the idea really was.  It is actually dumber than it seems, and that is a high bar to cross ...

        Thank you for fighting for this country.  As a son of a Marine, I understand that better than most (of course not as well as someone who did the actual fighting.)

        You can ask the questions or provide the answers. If you are going to do both, I don't need to be in the conversation.

        by Edge PA on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:52:45 AM PST

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  •  The voter ID laws (5+ / 0-)

    affect the Native American population on reservations the strongest. Many people do not have driver's licenses, because they don't own a car. And getting another state ID is a pain in the ass because it is both an expense that doesn't do anything for them on a day to day basis, and the distance required to travel to get to the place that issues the IDs is not small.

    •  I remember when Tom Daschle lost in 2004 (1+ / 0-)
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      HugoDog

      there was controversy about voter suppression, especially since they make up a large portion of the population in South Dakota.

      "Only vigilance and resistance to this baby dictator, Barack Hussein Obama, can prevent the Khmer Rouge from appearing in this country." Michael Savage

      by bay of arizona on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 01:39:13 PM PST

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  •  in a democracy, everyone gets to vote (3+ / 0-)
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    Unit Zero, neroden, RethinkEverything

    it's the franchise, stupid...gone are the days when the white landowners get to decide who votes

    daily kos = rich, old, white guys...booo!

    by memofromturner on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:43:57 AM PST

  •  And (3+ / 0-)
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    Unit Zero, neroden, cybersaur

    here I was under the (obviously misguided) impression America was a Democracy (you know one of those societies where ALL citizens are allowed to vote and elect their government).

    Silly me.

    I guess I forgot according to republicans only old white straight males are allowed to vote.

    Thank you for taking us in when we were alone, adrift with no place to go, cold and afraid..... Thank You Congress Matters!!!

    by Dom9000 on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:45:22 AM PST

  •  I hope NH Dems take this statement (5+ / 0-)
    New Hampshire's new Republican state House speaker is pretty clear about what he thinks of college kids and how they vote. They're "foolish," Speaker William O'Brien said in a recent speech to a tea party group.

    and post it on every bulletin board at every college in the state.
    And then I hope they register all those kids (with this statement on the front of their voter registration table) and rally them on election day.

    Any more Republicans want to make derogatory comments about the voters?

    The community of fools might be small if it were not such an accomplished proselytizer.

    by ZedMont on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:45:49 AM PST

  •  So let me play devil's advocate for a moment. (0+ / 0-)

    If a law were passed that requires photo ID to vote, why is this a hardship? It doesn't disenfranchise "brown people." It only disenfranchises the lazy.  You can walk into any DMV and get a non-driver's photo ID in about an hour.

    Is the GOP doing this to cut black Americans out of the process?  Yup, no doubt.  But black Americans can simply get an ID and negate the whole disenfranchizement attempt.

    I don't understand teabaggers who vote against their self-interest, and I don't understand anyone on either side of the aisle who disenfranchises themselves with laziness.  This is something that ANYONE can do.... if they really want to, that is.

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:46:20 AM PST

    •  The lazy have a right to vote, too. I vote. (5+ / 0-)

      The community of fools might be small if it were not such an accomplished proselytizer.

      by ZedMont on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:51:43 AM PST

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      •  LOL. Of course they have a right. (1+ / 0-)
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        ZedMont

        But they have to exercise it to make it happen. I'm just frustrated by the number of people that don't vote. If they did, they could help themselves, their family, and their community with the outcome.  

        Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

        by bigtimecynic on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:56:11 AM PST

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        •  Okay, if we need the lazy to vote, then we (0+ / 0-)

          need to do things to encourage them to vote, not discourage them.  I mean, going down to the DMV, come on, dude.  I'd rather go to the dentist.  

          And hey, there's an idea. Dentists are the perfect people to issue ID cards.  They can imbed your dental records into it, including X-rays.  

          Then, if the tea party dude challenges you down at the polling place or wherever, you only have to open your mouth and say Aaaaahhhh.  Be sure to eat lots of garlic before you get on the bus that the desperate Dems will provide to haul your lazy ass down to the polls.

          But let's get real. If you really want the lazy to vote, then you gotta be creative. Like, man, turn the Schwann's home delivery truck into a no sweat motor voter registration outfit. Talk about your win-win.  

          Think about it.  Lazy people who think they might want to vote if the weather is nice might buy some stuff from the Schwann guy too, especially if it they're really tired of all that pizza and Chinese delivery.  

          And for sure when they get so desperate to avoid dragging the bike out and schlepping down to the frigging convenience store that they start scrounging around for that year-old Nutrisystem stuff on top of the fridge or wherever.

          I might even go as far as down to the street to the Schwann's truck- assuming the pit bull from the govt. surplus FEMA trailer across the road didn't get loose again and the ground is not so wet that it would soak through my pink fuzzies.  I hate getting cold feet, man.

          The community of fools might be small if it were not such an accomplished proselytizer.

          by ZedMont on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 06:29:34 AM PST

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    •  I live in Connecticut (6+ / 0-)

      If I had to "walk" into a DMV -- meaning I have no car and bus transportation doesn't go by the DMV -- then I'd be able to get my ID after a 2 day trek.  I don't live on a reservation where there's not a gov't office in a 100 miles, nor in one of the hollers of Appalachia.  If just one citizen has to go through this kind of shite to vote -- it is one citizen too many.

      " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:59:15 AM PST

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    •  Check out HugoDog's statement above (4+ / 0-)

      The republican's know how demographics work and they will use every trick in the book to disenfranchise the democrats. You let them require a photo ID, next they will start charging for the photo ID, then say you can only get photo ID's on every third wednesday of the month between 10:30AM and 11:30 AM.
      They will do anything to lower voter turnout. They do not want all citizens to vote.

    •  If you have to pay for the right to vote (3+ / 0-)
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      neroden, cybersaur, jdsnebraska

      It is called a poll tax.  You shouldn't have to pay to get an ID just so you can vote.  Having a current picture ID can be often  problematic - this applies to octogenarians in nursing homes and students and people who moved on November 1st and don't have a drivers' license with their current address...  In the 80's my grandmother didn't even drive until my grandfather died when she was 70 years old, and he took care of the finances so she never needed an ID.  This may not be your life decision but it was hers.

      I really need a new signature that is lofty enough for DK4 - but I just haven't eaten enough arugula and sipped enough lattes to come up with one today. Sorry folks!

      by RethinkEverything on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:17:31 AM PST

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    •  Most states (2+ / 0-)
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      neroden, cybersaur

      Charge for photo IDs. That's also known as a 'poll tax'.

      Iä! Iä! Cthulhu Fhtagn!

      by Nerull on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 11:19:36 AM PST

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    •  IDs are not free (0+ / 0-)

      And in fact many people cannot get IDs without having other forms of ID.  Try to get an ID from scratch, it's a big fucking pain in the neck, you need affadavits from relatives.

      Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

      by neroden on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 01:59:56 PM PST

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  •  New Hampshire Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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    cybersaur

    I hate New Hampshire Republicans.

  •  Ah.... (9+ / 0-)
    "a largely monolithic demographic group . . . composed of people with a dearth of experience and a plethora of the easy self-confidence that only ignorance and inexperience can produce."

    That explains why they sign up to go off and be slaughtered in ignorant wars -- and die for absolutely nothing, whatsoever.

    Perhaps only older , more experienced people should be allowed to become meat puppets and throw away their lives on illegal wars.

    If I recall, it was due to the 58,000 American kids we pointlessly murdered in Vietman -- that the vote was extended to the young in the first place.

  •  "Brains full of Mush" watch for that phrase (1+ / 0-)
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    Unit Zero

    it's a Limabughism......

    New Hampshire's new Republican state House speaker is pretty clear about what he thinks of college kids and how they vote. They're "foolish," Speaker William O'Brien said in a recent speech to a tea party group.

    "Voting as a liberal. That's what kids do," he added, his comments taped by a state Democratic Party staffer and posted on YouTube. Students lack "life experience," and "they just vote their feelings."

    I'm the terror that blogs in the Night,. and the daytime too.

    by JML9999 on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:47:46 AM PST

  •  If Republicans take away people's right to vote, (2+ / 0-)
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    HugoDog, neroden

    there is only one other way to remove politicians from office.  

    President Kennedy said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
     See http://www.quotationspage.com/...

    With more guns than people in the U.S., Republicans are playing with fire.

    •  Wowser (0+ / 0-)

      Yeah, shooting a bunch of Republicans is a sure way to make sure you get to vote.  Jeebus.

      " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:03:12 AM PST

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    •  Of course they're playing with fire. (0+ / 0-)

      The Republicans have been doing so since they stole the election in 2000.  Arguably longer.

      This is why Democrats have to SHUT THIS FASCIST SHIT DOWN.  If we can't shut it down democratically, we can try for peaceful revolution.  If the Republicans suppress that violently, there will inevitably be a violent revolution eventually, and violent revolutions have probably a worse than 50% chance of turning out at all well.

      Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

      by neroden on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 01:51:37 PM PST

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  •  This is rich... (8+ / 0-)

    "Their "youthful idealism," he added, "is focused on remaking the world, with themselves in charge, of course, rather than with the mundane humdrum of local government."

    So according to this hick, you are an idiot if you vote due to "youthful idealism."

    But if you vote because your think the president is a Communist Muslim, or if you vote because you think Democrats are going to kill your grandma, or if you vote because you think global warming is a hoax, then you are voting as a patriotic American.

    These right wing motherf*ckers make me sick.

  •  The message is pretty clear. (1+ / 0-)
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    ssgbryan
    Students lack "life experience," and "they just vote their feelings."

    If students would be prepared to vote based on O'Brien's "life experience" and his "feelings", well everything would be okay and these restrictions wouldn't be necessary.
    Does sound like Brown is filled with nostalgia for the old south, not love for the Vermont of tomorrow.

  •  White, Male, Old, Racist, Stupid (2+ / 0-)
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    cybersaur, Virginia mom

    the ever shrinking base of the GOP

  •  How about a literacy test? (1+ / 0-)
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    Unit Zero

    Let's use the tried and true old method. Might get an interesting result with the NH demographics.

    Evolution IS Intelligent Design!

    by msirt on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:51:38 AM PST

  •  My son's a frequent columnist on his (4+ / 0-)

    university newspaper.  I just sent him the link suggesting this as an excellent topic.

    The community of fools might be small if it were not such an accomplished proselytizer.

    by ZedMont on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:55:03 AM PST

  •  He's talking about Randians! (1+ / 0-)
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    Unit Zero
    "people with a dearth of experience and a plethora of the easy self-confidence that only ignorance and inexperience can produce."
     

    Sounds a lot like many of the young libertarians I know!!

  •  When I was in college (3+ / 0-)

    I chose to continue voting absentee in California because I didn't give a rip about the podunk oregon town where I attended. But most of my fellow students chose to vote locally, if they voted at all.

    I also chose to file out of state tax returns in Oregon so that I would maintain my CA residency.

    By doing this I protected my ability to attend UC as a graduate student with in-state tuition rates (something I didn't eventually do). But it was a deliberate act on my part, and that seems to me to be what is important.  If the students aren't taking specific steps to say they are not choosing to be a resident of the given state, then their residency should default to where they are the majority of the year, which will be the college town.

    My hometown is a college town, and though there was occasional whining about the students, the reality is in most college towns the vote is already quite liberal. This effort seems to me targeted at disenfranchising voters for larger elections than just the town itself.

  •  I'm ashamed at how red my birth state has become. (2+ / 0-)
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    Unit Zero, RethinkEverything

    Spent all my youth and early adulthood there; and while it was conservative ---it wasn't insane....

  •  Can see it now....Anyone whose last name ends in (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Unit Zero, RethinkEverything

    a vowel must bring three forms of identification.

  •  Why doesn't somebody ask them (5+ / 0-)

    why they are so afraid of letting people vote?

    Oh, that's right. CNN is too busy talking about more important things like Charlie Sheen.

    My bad.

    I'm gay and I'm pissed. I'm not giving up, I'm not giving in, I'm not backing down, and I'm not going away. I'm one of the Angry Gays. Deal with it.

    by psychodrew on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:57:34 AM PST

  •  I grew up in NH (2+ / 0-)
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    N in Seattle, bay of arizona

    I grew up in Hanover (home of Dartmouth College) and went to UNH.  I was class of 1988.  Voting as a student in Durham NH was virtually impossible.  UNH students at that time were largely disenfranchized unless they (as I did) went to trouble to get an absentee ballot.

    As far as I am aware Hanover has also resisted allowing Dartmouth students to vote.

    The intentions of the NH Republicans are vile; however, from my experience, they would just be memorializing a common practice.

    •  old spouse's tale at Dartmouth (2+ / 0-)
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      neroden, cybersaur

      When I was a student there (1968-1972), the story went that at one point the town tried to tax students in some manner.  Under the "no taxation without representation" maxim, Dartmouth students showed up en masse at the next Town Meeting and voted in all sorts of screwball projects.  The one that always drew chuckles was that they wanted to build a building that was one inch square and one mile high.

      The town decided to rescind the tax.

      Then again, until my senior year the voting age was 21.  So rather few students would have been eligible to vote if they had tried to register.

      grok the "edku" -- edscan's "revelation", 21 January 2009

      by N in Seattle on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 11:06:17 AM PST

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  •  I still think the solution (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    arpear

    Is a government-funded national ID card that includes automatic voter registration.

  •  "They're foolish. They vote with their feelings." (3+ / 0-)
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    Dar Nirron, RethinkEverything, arpear

    The reason we  "let" 18 year olds vote is that we expect them to be able and ready to kill and or die for their country.  Voting is a right that is granted as an admission that the country owes those who protect the country the right to direct it.

    Speaker William O'Brien should be ashamed of his assignment of namby pamby feelings to the very youth he expects to protect his right to vote.

    Hamdan v. Rumsfeld = the Constitution travels with the flag

    by sailmaker on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:07:20 AM PST

  •  I'm from and went to school in NH. (5+ / 0-)

    If you don't want students to vote, don't put colleges in your town. They'll just take their (and their parent's) money elsewhere, and Hanover and Plymouth can go back to being impoverished dairy towns with no east-west highways or gene-pool variety.

    America is a work in Progress.

    by sydiot on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:09:12 AM PST

  •  Let's raise the voting age to 65 (0+ / 0-)

    So that only people with life experience are represented in our democracy.

    Some people are intolerant, and I CAN'T STAND people like that. -- Tom Lehrer

    by TheCrank on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:11:08 AM PST

    •  Or lower it to 5 (2+ / 0-)
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      neroden, cybersaur

      So that there is better playground equipment and 1:1 teacher to student ratios.  Wouldn't every kid love to have their own personal teacher!

      I really need a new signature that is lofty enough for DK4 - but I just haven't eaten enough arugula and sipped enough lattes to come up with one today. Sorry folks!

      by RethinkEverything on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:21:43 AM PST

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  •  "mundane humdrum of local government" (2+ / 0-)
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    neroden, cybersaur

    And nothing says that like birther bills, Muslim witchhunts, and anti-women legislation.

  •  Voting their feelings (3+ / 0-)
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    neroden, cybersaur, RethinkEverything

    This coming from people whose voter base consists of a large percentage of people who lack the rationality to know that there was NOT a man 2000 years ago who rose from the grave after being executed.

    The Democratic Party: Keeping Their Powder Dry Since 1968.

    by punkdavid on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:15:07 AM PST

  •  True story from 1984 on GOP voter denial (6+ / 0-)

    I lived in a college town (in college) in 1984 in a county in Pennsylvania notoriously controlled by a Republican machine. Despite this, we had a liberal Democratic Congressman, the great Rev. Bob Edgar (now head of Common Cause), who had been voted in following Watergate and had continued to win re-election by reasonable but increasingly thin margins.

    In 1984 the machine decided that students had to re register every time they changed dorm rooms, even if it was just within a single building (this despite the fact everybody's mailing address was exactly the same). They also contrived to have three precinct lines meet in the middle of campus; one of the precincts stretched across a creek and gorge such that it was impossible to walk from the campus to the precinct building. They then set about putting Republican party inspectors at each of the polls and challenged just about every student vote.

    To get your vote counted, you had to drive to the county seat, appear in person before a judge, have the judge rule favorably in your opinion, and then return to your polling place with a write. Needless to say, despite an emergency car convoy, we only managed to get a couple of dozen of the students' rights enforced; hundreds of voters didn't get a chance to vote.

    Edgar won that election, barely, but it set the seeds for a loss of the seat in 1986 when Edgar ran for Senate (unsucessfully) and the district was saddled with the odious and corrupt Curt Weldon (Edgar's perennial opponent) for a generation after that.

    Some people are intolerant, and I CAN'T STAND people like that. -- Tom Lehrer

    by TheCrank on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:18:56 AM PST

    •  That calls for imprisonment. (0+ / 0-)

      Unfortunately the Republican party "inspectors" probably didn't get even a slap on the wrist, did they?

      Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

      by neroden on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 01:53:32 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Weekly winner - John McCain Stay Off My Lawn Award (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    RethinkEverything

    What a complete effing turd.

  •  they try it every year (2+ / 0-)
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    bay of arizona, neroden

    I was active in the college dems when I was at Dartmouth, and the Republicans try this every cycle -- they post lawyers at the polls to "challenge" student voters, mainly for intimidation, but they make all sorts of empty threats about students losing financial aid, being forced to change drivers' licenses etc. The distinction is between establishing domicile (which is sufficient to vote) and residency (which is more encompassing but not necessary). Kaili Lambe, just elected president of the NHYD, is a great resource for this. nhyoungdemocrats.org

    "Life has become the ideology of its own absence." -- Adorno

    by destructiveanachronism on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:47:25 AM PST

  •  Reminds me of a California GOP... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    neroden

    ...initiative years ago (when I was a high school student) that required voters under 21 to register at their parent's home. That effort was shot down, and I pray this latest GOP effort to disenfranchise voters will suffer the same fate.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by alaprst on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:53:54 AM PST

  •  I am reminded of one thing (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    neroden

    When Republicans say what they're saying in this diary, it means they're afraid what would happen if those they are trying to disenfranchise voted in full force.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by alaprst on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:59:17 AM PST

  •  Mubarak would be proud of his republican imitators (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    neroden, cybersaur, OHknighty

    Cheat your way into office while you can; people won't forget your Mubarak style moves to keep yourselves in power.

  •  Ah yes another thing to be proud of (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    neroden, cybersaur

    taking voting rights away from people who don't vote for you. Way to stay classy evil radical TGOP.

    John Kasich, R-OH-gov hates black people, women, children, and unions, I guess that covers almost everyone.

    by OHknighty on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 11:24:48 AM PST

  •  IIRC, when new RNC chair Reince Priebus (0+ / 0-)

    was leading the Wisconsin GOP, he pulled the same type of crap, caging student voters.  Not surprising that it's becoming a nationwide thing.

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