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Video proof that despite denials, King did say America has "too many mosques"

Homeland Security Committee Chairman Peter King at his hearing on the "radicalization" of American Muslims earlier today, responding to criticism that he had once said there were too many mosques in America:

I said that there are too many mosques that don’t cooperate with law enforcement. I think testimony today has backed that up. I never said there were too many mosques in America.

Via ThinkProgress, here's what King said four years ago:

We have unfortunately, we have a, uh, too many mosques in this country, too many people that are sympathetic to radical Islam. We should be looking at them more carefully. I think there’s been a lack of full cooperation from too many people in the Muslim community. There’s a real threat here in this country.

It's like they've never heard of YouTube. It just never fails.

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  •  I call foul on this "gotcha." (25+ / 1-)

    I have no sympathy whatever for Peter King, but as a former journalist who always took pride in making sure I quoted my interview subjects word for word, I am absolutely certain that King meant "too many mosques that are sympathetic to radical Islam." Which is still a stupid and ignorant statement, but a world of difference from saying there are too many mosques, period.

    "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

    by Geenius at Wrok on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:03:07 PM PST

    •  It's still McCarthistic. (4+ / 0-)
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      The text above points out the too many sympathetic to radical Islam - and that's just sowing suspicion.

      Republicans sure like to waste tax dollars chasing nonsense and accomplishing nothing.

      21st Century Republicans would much rather legalize murder than marijuana.
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      by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:09:30 PM PST

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      •  Personally, I think there are too many IRA (11+ / 0-)

        supporters in the House of Representatives. Hearings must be conducted immediatly into supporters of an organization that not only attacked a NATO ally ( an attack against one is an attack on all - NATO Charter ), but also gave support to many terrorist organizations around the world.  Some of whom contributed to attacks on not only Americans, but Americas allies as well.

         Congressman King should lose no time in commencing such hearings.  

        it tastes like burning...

        by eastvan on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:29:39 PM PST

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        •  Irony is lost of Herr King (3+ / 0-)
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          Wait, I forgot: IOKIYAR.  Silly me.

          " ... or a baby's arm holding an apple!"

          by Lavocat on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:31:45 PM PST

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        •  This IRA bastard is pissed that no Muslim woman (1+ / 0-)
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          in America would give him the time of day.

          Much less the most popular gal in the Middle East -- for 15- to 29-year olds -- based on internet hits/downloads:

          Rima is a major phenom. Precisely because she's not a rich-?itch like the Kardasians, this girl has generated a following across class lines, across Sunni/Shi'ia, across everything..

          BTW: same for the al-Qaeda types as for Peter King. They got no understanding of how she has cut 'em off at the knees.

          Once the Arab boys got a look at Rima, it was all over.

          Born in Lebanon, raised in New York and Michigan. In every way the All American opposite to the GOPers' IRA wannabe from Long Island.

          Financial capitalism's criminals + Angry White Males + KKK wannabes + Personality Disorder delusionals + George Will =EQ= The GOPer Base

          by vets74 on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 06:08:33 AM PST

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    •  Word for word, Cong. King said "too many mosques" (6+ / 0-)

      You are not quoting him word for word, you're assuming King's intent. "I am absolutely certain that King meant..." is an oddly flexible standard for a former journalist who says he quotes people word for word, but whose interpretation changes the plain words. What King said thereafter was "... too many people that are sympathetic to radical Islam..." [emphasis added].

      O, wad some Power the giftie gie us./To see oursels as ithers see us!

      by TRPChicago on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:11:10 PM PST

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    •  what a waste of FP space (0+ / 0-)

      this diarist is consistently trivial. we should be thinking about whatever it is that will replace NPR. because this evening our network is going down in flames. that is a  news story of significance. as opposed to a inarticulate congressman. which isn't.

      dk - el calor de la histeria. vengad a la hoguera

    •  How did you get that translation? (6+ / 0-)

      I just read the quote twice -- "too many mosques in this country" and then "too many people who are sympathetic with radical Islam."  That is clear as a bell to me -- too many mosques and also, too many sympathizers.

      " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:23:23 PM PST

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      •  clear as a bell -- and as a dog whistle (0+ / 0-)

        clear as a claxon, loud as an IRA bomb paid for by Peter King of the douche murderer mad bomber hypocrite brigade.  

        Oh, he goes on Tee Vee on Ash Wednesday -- without the ash -- to persecute people who are already suffering.  

        A socialist is a free market capitalist who's been mugged by the market. -- TimeZoned

        by bekosiluvu on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 09:29:49 PM PST

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    •  If this were the first time King... (8+ / 0-)

      ...had made a disparaging comment about Muslims, I would, as a former journalist and editor of journalists, go your interpretation on this and give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

      But it wasn't his first such comment; not by a long shot. So, in this case, better to take the actual word-for-word version instead of giving the guy a pass with a generous interpretation of what he supposedly meant. But if we are going to interpret, I think, given his record, he meant too many mosques.

      Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:23:57 PM PST

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    •  good point (0+ / 0-)

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      by RumsfeldResign on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:25:33 PM PST

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    •  I agree, reading over the sentiment in (3+ / 0-)
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      that paragraph he does seem to be talking about the idea that they are sympathetic.

      Of course, this is just semantics, and either way Peter King is a complete asshole.

      "... the Professional Left, that is simultaneously totally irrelevant and ruining everything" (Glenn Greenwald)

      by ranger995 on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:43:40 PM PST

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    •  well I just watched for the first time (0+ / 0-)

      and I'm no journalist, but it absolutely sounded to me like "too many mosques" was distinct.

      but then again, I don't listen to anything that twit has to say, so I don't understand the cadence of his speech.

      he does indeed make me think of mccarthy though.

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      by squarewheel on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 08:20:36 PM PST

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    •  Bless you for being honest on this. (3+ / 0-)
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      I wanted to post the same thing but I wasn't sure if it was worth the headache.

      This reminds me of the Al Gore said he invented the Internet rumor.  Yes those words were said in that order, although it's clear from context that he meant to say (and did at another point say) "I sponsored the legislation that invented the Internet as we know it today."

      The key here is there is no period after "mosques".  Compare...

      "There are too many mosques."

      With
      "There are too many mosques, too many people sympathetic with radical Islam, ....who do not cooperate with police."

      The comma joins mosques with people, which is modified by being sympathetic to radicals and not cooperating with the police.

      "They don't think it be like it is, but it do. " Oscar Gamble, circa 1980

      by Spider Stumbled on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 08:26:24 PM PST

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    •  Yup (0+ / 0-)

      Sadly, even an odious clown like Peter King is technically correct, if there are any Mosques sympathetic to the radical Islamic embrace of terrorism (not real Islam), then there are too many mosques sympathetic to radical Islam.

  •  I don't think he's articulate enough in (4+ / 0-)

    either case, to definitively say what he said, meant, or didn't say. He's a bumbling idiot, who knows what he's trying to say.

    "I've taken up sculpting recently. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:09:31 PM PST

    •  He not only lies...he is, somewhat typically for a (4+ / 0-)
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      Republican, a hypocrite of the highest standard.

       He has supported terrorist organizations in the past. Ones that suit his personal beliefs.

      it tastes like burning...

      by eastvan on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:36:55 PM PST

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      •  Hey, but white guys supports white guys -- (1+ / 0-)
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        terrorists or not -- is okay.  It's the brown guys we need to be afraid of.  (snark, of course)

        •  Yeah, this whole indoctrination thingy..... (1+ / 0-)
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          I can see how it works. Young kid, third generation American grows up with the tales of some legendary time where the Forces of Good battle evil empireism and defending their religion and womanfolk from the Heathen Hordes. Tales spun by the lovable uncle who was once on the periphery of such events and has such a colorful recollection of events that may or may not have happened. Then reinforced by the local religous leaders and group think at neighborhood gathering places, decides to support a group, or groups active in The Cause.......

            I can see it.

            But I wasn't talking about muslim kids......

           I swear King is just like the Family Values closeted gays in the GOP that go after gay rights with such zealotry. His closet is stuffed.

           The Congressmen doth protest too much......

          it tastes like burning...

          by eastvan on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 08:32:28 PM PST

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  •  We have too many Peter Kings in this country (n/t) (6+ / 0-)
  •  We have too many stupid congress people (2+ / 0-)
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    But I watched most of the hearing on c-span, and it wasn't all that bad.  It didn't seem to have real a point to make.

    •  Agreed (5+ / 0-)
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      That is one if my main problems with the hearing. It was pointless. No legislation will come from the "findings" of this hearing.  The panelists didn't really present facts and statistics a much as anecdotes and personal feelings.

      It was, as one of the Dems on the committee said, a great piece on Congressional theater.

    •  The major problem (7+ / 0-)

      with the hearings that I see is that they are being reported on BBC International and Al Jazeera.  Pointless or not, what the take away is that he is being allowed to raise furor against Muslims in this country and the rest of the world.  

      We know our own morans -- the rest of the world see a political leader maligning an entire religion.

      " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:31:21 PM PST

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  •  I have located the real hearing transcript ... (1+ / 0-)

    Gotta funny title though ... Malleus Maleficarum.

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:18:39 PM PST

  •  Video Tape is a bear, Mr. King. isn't it. (2+ / 0-)
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  •  As much as I think he's a toad (7+ / 0-)

    King's got a point on this one.

    We don't need to invent things to show King's Islamophobia.

    harps and angels! harps and angels!

    by zemblan on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:23:10 PM PST

  •  while we're at it (2+ / 0-)
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    can we light a bonfire under Joe Arpaio?

    can we have a weekly torrent of Arpaio diaries please?

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    by RumsfeldResign on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:27:46 PM PST

  •  Peter King: Liar and bigot all in one (6+ / 0-)

    If you're a fascist, it certainly helps to be both a bigot and a liar.

    Peter King is a disgrace to his district, his state, and to compassionate Americans everywhere.

    " ... or a baby's arm holding an apple!"

    by Lavocat on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:30:11 PM PST

  •  Does it matter? (0+ / 0-)

    Don't get me wrong, I think it matters, but to the base he's playing to, it doesn't. They don't care if what King said today contradicts something he said 10 years 5 years 1 year or 2 days ago. Feed them what they want to hear, and they're happy. They believe anything to the left of their narrow worldview is socialism or fascism or terrorism or some combo of the 3 or some other ism that steams their hams. And if the GOP keeps feeding that hate, then that hate will continue to feed the GOP. It's mutual parasitism, but they think it's patriotism, and they'll accuse you of anti-Americanism (ah, another ism) if you call them out on it.

  •  Bill Maher has said (2+ / 0-)
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    that in an age of google and youtube, lying will become obsolete.  You can't pull this stuff like you used to be able to. At some point, the Republicans will have to realize this of continue looking like lying idiots.

  •  Cocaine's a helluva drug. eh heh. eh heh. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm gonna go eat a steak. And fuck my wife. And pray to GOD - hatemailapalooza, 052210

    by punditician on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:44:45 PM PST

  •  I think we have too many idiot... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...politicians like King. But who care what I think?

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:45:01 PM PST

  •  Repugnant (2+ / 0-)
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    King is a repugnant man and he knows exactly what he's doing. He could have clarified it the day after when CAIR asked everyone to email him complaining of his bigotry, but he refused.

    Even with alleged clarifications, If he had said "there's too many synagogues in America" and then said he only meant radicals like JDL sympathizers and banned groups like Kach, we'd never hear the end of it.

    I guess it takes someone who supports the IRA to think others are closet terrorist-supporters.

  •  Happily, the invention of video tape (2+ / 0-)
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    is something that has yet to be announced to Republicans.  How many times will they keep doing this?  Oh, I remember:  it's one of those pesky 'fact' issues that keep coming back to haunt the Rethugs.  And facts and actual taped statements simply don't count, right?

    •  In the right-wing worldview (0+ / 0-)

      all truth and value and even facts are predicated on whether or not the speaker belongs to your in-group.

      "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

      by Geenius at Wrok on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:53:35 PM PST

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  •  Ok, I missed the most (0+ / 0-)

    important part of that video --- please correct me if I am wrong but Rep. Mike Ross (R-AL) is the one who chastised King re: too many mosques.  Is that right?????   I kept replaying, looked at his name plate, looked at the identification on the teevee screen and then looked him up to make sure he is a Republican.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:54:21 PM PST

  •  Let's play search-and-replace! (2+ / 0-)
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    "We have unfortunately, we have a, uh, too many mosques in this country, too many people that are sympathetic to radical Islam. We should be looking at them more carefully. I think there’s been a lack of full cooperation from too many people in the Muslim community. There’s a real threat here in this country."

    mkay...

    We have unfortunately, we have a, uh, too many churches in this country, too many people that are sympathetic to radical Christianity. We should be looking at them more carefully. I think there’s been a lack of full cooperation from too many people in the Christian community. There’s a real threat here in this country.

    How's that?

    Define "radical" as being deliberately engaged in working toward the goal of establishing a right-wing, evangelical Christian theocracy in the United States, and you've covered most of the conservative mega-churches in the country.

    Personally, I've been watching that "real threat here in this country" since the mid '50's.

    Hearings, anyone?

    Mr King?

    - bp

    "I don't care who your goddam emperor is: his clothes still suck"

    by b00g13p0p on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 07:55:40 PM PST

  •  We're better than this, take this down please. (6+ / 0-)

    King is clearly saying there are too many mosques sympathetic to Radical Islam.  I'm no fan of him or his views, but this is something I would expect from Hannity.

  •  I take him at his word (0+ / 0-)

    It had to be said.

    "I've taken up sculpting recently. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 08:27:58 PM PST

  •  Mccarthyism's new face. (1+ / 0-)
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    Rep. King is this generation's Mccarthy. But instead of chaseing communists. He is chaseing muslims.

  •  Tell that to the people of Spokane... (1+ / 0-)
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    ....who nearly were bombed by a neo-Nazi two months ago.

    9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

    by varro on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 08:52:17 PM PST

    •  Tell that to the people of Birmingham (1+ / 0-)
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      who were bombed a hundred times a year back during the Civil Rights war.

      Financial capitalism's criminals + Angry White Males + KKK wannabes + Personality Disorder delusionals + George Will =EQ= The GOPer Base

      by vets74 on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 06:16:31 AM PST

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  •  Radicalization? (0+ / 0-)

    The number of Muslims that are radicalized is minuscule compared to the number of radicalized Christians. I don't have the figures, but I will bet that Muslims turn out to be only about a couple of percent and the vast majority are Christians. Even if you tossed out all the Muslims, there would be no change in the statistics on terror.
    Let's face it, Christians throughout history have been violent and have shown little or no respect for life beyond the womb.

  •  The Next Religion Radicalization Hearing (0+ / 0-)

    I wonder if Peter King is going to hold his next hearing and entitle it "The Radicalization of Irish Catholics" (Before you go off the deep end, I'm not Irish but I am Catholic) with Peter King as the star witness. Since he has first-hand knowledge of contributing guns and money unashamedly to terrorism, the terrorism of Sinn Fein and the IRA (yes, that IRA, the one that murdered innocent men, women and children with their bombs and stray bullets). And when questioned about the loss of innocents, he sounded like a good Muslim jihadi radical Imam saying, "I regret the innocent loss of life, but this issue is more important than a few lost lives."  I guess if it's not your mother, father, grandmother, grandfather, son, daughter, grandson, granddaughter, niece, nephew, aunt, uncle or dearest friend, that might be true.

    IGIOKIYAR.

  •  Overreach (0+ / 0-)

    I don't think much of King's little dog and pony show, but you make this issue out to be much clearer than it is.  King's earlier statement was not, in fact, unmodified.  He was clearly talking against Muslims sympathetic to the radical Islamist rhetoric, not necessarily to all Muslims.  It really pisses me off when Kossacks are guilty of the same sort of selective editing that we accuse Republicans of.  To quote Sir Thomas More, "I'd give the Devil benefit of law for my own safety's sake."  Whatever King's underlying sentiments, his trial in the press (this press) should stick unerringly to the factual evidence.  Why falsely hold a sword for him to fall on when, given the opportunity, he will gladly hold and fall on it himself?

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