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Maybe Drug Prohibition will be at the bar having a shot with Alcohol Prohibition, celebrating its 50th birthday in conjunction with St Paddy's.  50 years ago marks the first international treaty to prohibit some drugs, adopted by the U.N.

Here is the I.D.P.C. summary of the global legal framework and its brief history.

In 1961, the UN Single Convention was signed, drawing together previous drug control legislation and forming the unified legal bedrock of the current system. Together with the Single Convention, the 1971 Psychotropics Convention and 1988 Trafficking Convention make up the instruments of international drug law. The overall objective remains as it was specified a century ago: to limit the production, distribution and use of drugs to scientific and medical purposes.

The US DEA and Justice Department aren't yet interested in observing the "scientific and medical" clause of this international treaty, given the DEA's federal ban on any university studying cannabis plants on-site.

PBS has a great documentary about the science of cannabis, and I just found this timeline on their site as well..."30 years of America's drug war"  http://www.pbs.org/...

1971
(June 17)        Nixon declares war on drugs.

At a press conference Nixon names drug abuse as "public enemy number one in the United States." He announces the creation of the Special Action Office for Drug Abuse Prevention (SAODAP), to be headed by Dr. Jerome Jaffe, a leading methadone treatment specialist. During the Nixon era, for the only time in the history of the war on drugs, the majority of funding goes towards treatment, rather than law enforcement.

The global declaration on drugs was in large part a declaration on marijuana, which was and still is the most-consumed 'drug' in the black-market. A majority of Mexican cartel profits have been made via marijuana, although the past decade has seen the Mexican cartels take over smuggling routes from South American cartels, as well as a marked increase in the meth trade.

In Columbus, New Mexico, the mayor and police chief were arrested along with nine other suspects for allegedly running guns to Mexico. According to the 84-page indictment, Columbus mayor Eddie Espinoza and the other suspects trafficked some 200 firearms to Mexico, including a shortened AK-47 variant.

If you think an American mayor being involved in gun-running is shocking, think about how a dozen mayors were killed by drug war violence in Mexico in 2010, including a 4-week period where six were killed.

Money makes the world go round. Same goes for the War on Drugs. Only now, in these times of budget crises nationwide, is there any serious effort at reform. And that effort is well underway in every single part of the country. Kentucky's Democratic Governor just signed drug war reform into law last week, lowering marijuana penalties. The Delaware House just voted 38-1  to support drug war reform in a strong way due to fiscal reasons:

The Delaware House of Representatives Tuesday overwhelmingly approved a comprehensive drug sentencing reform bill. The bill, House Bill 19, would, most notably, make simple drug possession offenses misdemeanors. Drug possession is currently a felony.

It also does away with the current possession with intent to distribute and distribution offenses and replaces them with aggravated possession and drug dealing. Judges would exercise more discretion in sentencing, with sentences being increased if certain aggravating factors, such as proximity to a school or the involvement of juveniles, are present.

The last time any effort this large was made at changing marijuana laws, my generation was not yet alive (Millenials, as they say).  The effort in the 70s to reform marijuana laws was limited to far fewer states than we are seeing right now, and the truth about Alcohol Prohibition being ended only after individual states took action is a relevant and increasingly-known truth about Marijuana Prohibition.

Here's a list from NORML with most, but not all, of the latest efforts:

 State Legislative:
    Arizona - Bill To Defelonize Marijuana Possession Penalties Introduced In Arizona
    California - Medical Marijuana Anti-Discrimination Bill Introduced In California
    Connecticut - Bill To Reduce Marijuana Possession Penalties Reintroduced
    Connecticut - Medical Marijuana Legislation Reintroduced in Connecticut Legis.
    Delaware - Delaware Senate Considers Regulating Medical Marijuana
    Florida - Bill To Offer Legal Protection To Medical Marijuana Patients Introduced I
    Hawaii - Senate Approves Bill To Reduce Marijuana Penalties in Hawaii
    Hawaii - Legislation to Expand Hawaii’s Medical Marijuana Limits Passes the Senate
    Hawaii - State Senate Approves Licensing Medical Cannabis Dispensaries  

    Idaho - Idaho Considers Regulating Medical Marijuana
    Illinois - Medical Marijuana Legislation Reintroduced in Illinois Legislature
    Illinois - Bill to Reduce Marijuana Possession Penalties Introduced in Illinois
    Indiana - UPDATE: Senate Approves Measure To Review Indiana Marijuana Laws
    Kansas - House Lawmakers Reintroduce Kansas Cannabis Compassion & Care Act
    Massachusetts - Massachusetts Legislature Considers Medical Marijuana Measure
    Massachusetts - Bill to Regulate and Tax Marijuana Introduced in Massachusetts Legislature
    Maryland - Legislation to Reduce Penalties for Marijuana Possession Introduced in Maryland
    Maryland - Coalition Of Lawmakers Reintroduce Measures To Regulate Medical Marijuana In Maryland
    Maine - Bill To Expand Marijuana Decriminalization Introduced In Maine
    Missouri - Missouri Legislature Considers Regulating Medical Marijuana
    New Hampshire - New Hampshire House Passes Legislation Regulating Medical Marijuana
    New Jersey - New Jersey Senators Hold Hearing To Rewrite State’s Medical Marijuana Regulations
    New York - Bill To Regulate Medical Marijuana Reintroduced In New York
    Oklahoma - Oklahoma Lawmakers Decline To Hear “Compassionate” Marijuana Use Measure This Year
    Rhode Island - Rhode Island Lawmakers Consider Legislation to Tax and Regulate Marijuana
    Rhode Island - Legislation to Reduce Marijuana Possession Penalties Introduced in Rhode Island
    Tennessee - Medical Marijuana Safe Access Act Reintroduced in Tennessee
    Texas - Medical Marijuana Affirmative Defense Bill Reintroduced In Texas
    Texas - Bill To Reduce Marijuana Possession Penalties Reintroduced In Texas
    Vermont - Vermont Senate Considers Licensing Medical Marijuana Dispensaries
    Vermont - Legislation to Reduce Marijuana Possession Penalties Introduced in Vermont
    Washington - Washington Senate Passes Legislation To Expand State’s Medical Cannabis Law
    Washington - Washington House Lawmakers To Decide On Bill To Regulate Adult Marijuana Production, Use, and Sales
    West Virginia - West Virginia Considers Regulating Medical Marijuana
 Statewide:
    California - Gov. Schwarzenegger Signs Marijuana Infraction Measure Into Law
 Other:
    New Mexico - New Mexico Lawmaker Withdraws Proposal to Repeal Medical Marijuana Law
    Montana - Montana Legislature Tables Dangerous 'Drugged Driving' Measure
    Montana - UPDATED: Montana Senate Rejects Medical Marijuana Repeal Effort
    Nebraska - Nebraska Lawmakers Reject Dangerous 'Drugged Driving' Legislation
    Virginia - Virginia Lawmakers Quash Marijuana Decriminalization Measure

http://www.capwiz.com/...

Updated by change the Be at Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:42 AM PDT

a lyric from my favorite musician from the past 6 years, who goes by the name of 'mf doom' , and will be doing an album with Thom Yorke this year:

"Only in America can you find a way to make a healthy buck/ and still keep the attitude on " self-destruct" "

a lot of people have made a lot of money off Marijuana Prohibition, namely cartels and law enforcement. In the meantime, teabaggers whine about the country self-destructing, but don't want to address the cannibalistic feeding upon America's own young in this Drug War.

Updated by change the Be at Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 12:36 PM PDT

it was noted downthread that the IRS , in fact, collects taxes from dispensaries even though the feds deem them to be 'illegal'. Don't worry, it doesn't make sense to the rest of us either?!!!

In response to the IRS involvement in recent DEA mmj raids last week, see this:

http://stopthedrugwar.org/...

Originally posted to theytookmyblogalready on Thu Mar 17, 2011 at 08:03 PM PDT.

Also republished by Community Spotlight and DKos Cannabis Law and Drug War Reform.

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    •  Thanks for this important work Change the Be (8+ / 0-)

      Let's be honest.

      This has been a "War On American Drug Users."

      And like all wars, too destructive compared to alternatives.

      Illegality drives up prices, leads users to crime or desperation, and attracts and funds the criminal element.

      Drug gangs, and related illegal infrastructure are now adding to the terrorist threat.  

      But the solution is not to do more of what is causing the problem, military and criminal enforcement, but decrimilization and identifying key problems and treating them with our medical and social service systems.

      In a society that does not provide adequate health care, social, and economic opportunity, these drug laws are racist, classist, destructive, and inhuman.

      And, I would argue unwise, destructive, and perhaps, even unconstitutional.

      For anyone who believes the essential issue in the right to choose, is not do you approve of abortion, but who has the right to choose?   The government, or the woman, in consultation, with her doctors, spiritual advisoris etc.

      Using the same logic, who has a the right to control your internal neuro-chemical states?   If you discover that certain natural medicinal remedies help your self medicate, it should be your constitutional right to do so.

      And, if the federal and state government are not providing alternative effective medication, prohibiting individuals from self-medication, is inhumane, and should not be constitutional.

      Any, "right" or power not explicitly given to the federal government or states should be reserved to the individual.

      We should be able to make an alliance with true libertarians, such as Ron Paul on this.

      Democratic leaders need to have courage to do the right thing here.   Especially, leaders in the minority communities.

      They are heart broken over what they see drugs doing to their children, but confused that a great deal of the harm come from illegality not the drugs themselves.

      End the War on American Drug Users now.

      Let's start with Marijuana and move on gradually from there.   The misuse of the commerce clause to prosecute people from growing their one herbal remedies are bogus and should be ended immediately.

      At a time of fianacial crises we cannot afford to squander our public funds and people this way.

      Last year we arrested more than 800,000 people for marijuana offenses, and it cost $50,000 per person per year to incarcerate people.  

      Even those let off on plea bargens lose their elegibility for Federal help such as college loans or housing if they are disabled.

      This is shameful and stupid people.  We can no longer afford to be this self-destructive.  

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:03:55 AM PDT

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    •  No doubt exists that our drug law are racist and (3+ / 0-)

      classist.   Where are the minority leadersship?

      Also, it is inhuman to prevent folks from self-medication, if we are not providing adequate health care, and opportunity for jobs and self advancement.

      Many of our most entreprenural young people, including minorities are in jail for minor dealing offenses.

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:06:06 AM PDT

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  •  NORML (9+ / 0-)

    has sometimes been its own worst enemy.

    With the help of Playboy, High Times and other benefactors, NORML hit the ground running. A lawyer, Stroup's plain-spoken goal was to end the prohibition of marijuana. He assembled a team of lawyers and activists and began attacking the system. The first big victory came in 1973 when Oregon became the first state to decriminalize cannabis. By the end of the decade, 11 more states followed suit. Clearly, NORML was making an impact.

    Stroup left NORML under a cloud in 1978 after he outed drug czar Peter Bourne, who'd used cocaine at the NORML Christmas party. This has long been perceived as a setback for the marijuana cause, since the White House under Jimmy Carter was tolerant about pot and appeared to favor decrim.

    The backlash from this, and the resulting conflation of marijuana legalization with hard drugs like coke, set the movement back enormously. NORML's credibility was shredded, and the Carter administration distanced itself from further reform efforts.

    Then came the Reagan years.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Thu Mar 17, 2011 at 08:49:30 PM PDT

    •  carl sagan's wife now runs NORML (10+ / 0-)

      which is pretty interesting

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Thu Mar 17, 2011 at 09:21:17 PM PDT

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      •  Carl Sagan was a stoner (10+ / 0-)

        In 1969, Carl Sagan wrote an essay in Dr. Lester Grinspoon's historic book Marihuana Reconsidered:

        "The cannabis experience has greatly improved my appreciation for art, a subject which I had never much appreciated before. The understanding of the intent of the artist which I can achieve when high sometimes carries over to when I'm down. This is one of many human frontiers which cannabis has helped me traverse."

        "A very similar improvement in my appreciation of music has occurred with cannabis. For the first time I have been able to hear the separate parts of a three-part harmony and the richness of the counterpoint. I have since discovered that professional musicians can quite easily keep many separate parts going simultaneously in their heads, but this was the first time for me. Again, the learning experience when high has at least to some extent carried over when I'm down. The enjoyment of food is amplified; tastes and aromas emerge that for some reason we ordinarily seem to be too busy to notice. I am able to give my full attention to the sensation. A potato will have a texture, a body, and taste like that of other potatoes, but much more so. Cannabis also enhances the enjoyment of sex - on the one hand it gives an exquisite sensitivity, but on the other hand it postpones orgasm: in part by distracting me with the profusion of image passing before my eyes. The actual duration of orgasm seems to lengthen greatly, but this may be the usual experience of time expansion which comes with cannabis smoking."

        "I do not consider myself a religious person in the usual sense, but there is a religious aspect to some highs. The heightened sensitivity in all areas gives me a feeling of communion with my surroundings, both animate and inanimate."

        •  Many creative, inspired, and intelliegent people (3+ / 0-)

          "reach for the stars" in their own ways.

          Of course, had Carl Sagan, or Barack Obama, or Bill Clinton, been arrested and convicted of possession of marijuana when young, they would lose their elegibility for college loans.

          And, perhaps, been relegated to marginal roles in society, working at gas stations.

          How many other such young talented unknown people like then are rotting in prision,, at a cost of $50,000 per year.

          This is stupid.  It would actually be cheaper to send drug offenders to leading universities than what we are doing now.

          Is this how you wish to use your Federal Funds?  

          How many more teachers, and government workers should we lay off, so we can afford to enprision and prosecute our own children?  

          Shame on all of us.

          The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

          by HoundDog on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:10:37 AM PDT

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        •  He died at 62, I'm 62 (1+ / 0-)
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          Been smoking for 40 plus years. 6 ounces/year.
          Sagan's wiki is interesting.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/...
          including:
          "Isaac Asimov described Sagan as one of only two people he ever met whose intellect surpassed his own. The other, he claimed, was the computer scientist and artificial intelligence expert Marvin Minsky...."

        •  No, he was a brilliant man (1+ / 0-)
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          who happened to enjoy smoking marijuana.   :)

          Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. --John F. Kennedy

          by Beelzebud on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 10:03:32 AM PDT

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    •  NORML is not the only organization (1+ / 0-)
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      devoted to this cause. I personally prefer the Marijuana Policy Project. They're very serious and focus only on electoral battles they think are winnable.

      I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

      by doc2 on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 01:44:46 PM PDT

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  •  tipped and rec'd! (8+ / 0-)

    though i do hate to commemorate stupid.

    ; P

    Judging from picturebooks, apparently Heaven is a partly cloudy place. - Rilo Kiley

    by Cedwyn on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 05:15:56 AM PDT

  •  50 years and billions of dollars (14+ / 0-)

    spent and drugs are as prevalent , available and as cheap as they ever were, and our prisons are filled to the brim with people who are no threat to anyone.

    FAIL !!!!!

    tipped and recced.

    We will never have true civilization until we have learned to recognize the rights of others. Will Rogers

    by KozmoD on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 05:40:16 AM PDT

  •  weed (9+ / 0-)

    The profit margin for all narcotics is far narrower than most people think, particularly since around 1998 forward.  (Most large scale weed dealers are trying to maintain a $50 per pound profit margin without much success) the real tragedy is that society is completely overlooking one remarkable property of weed-it has no level of toxicity.  That is, even water will kill you if you drink too much, while for some reason once the user reaching a certain level of THC in the blood, the body simply pisses away the excess.  To my knowledge, no other substance has this unique property.  Now if we could find out why this is so and apply it to other medical drugs (or figure out how to use weed as the carrier with the secondary drug as a piggyback), it would revolutionize medicine as doctors could give you a drug (to kill cancer for instance) and your body would only use the amount which it needs and get rid of the rest.

  •  Legalize It (6+ / 0-)

    The drug was is an EPIC FAIL.

    "Without LOVE in the dream it will never come true..." -Hunter/Garcia

    by US Blues on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 07:20:48 AM PDT

  •  The war on drugs is MUCH longer than 50 years (5+ / 0-)

    I cannot recommend a diary claiming the war on drugs is 50 years old today because it is an egregious factual error. In fact, depending on whom you agree w/ the war on drugs is either over 100 years in the U.S. or just approaching its 100th anniversary.

    What am talking about? In 1906, the Pure Food and Drug Act placed some restrictions on cocaine and heroin. If that date is not sufficient to some historians, perhaps the passage of the Harrison Narcotics Act in 1914 marks the official beginning of the war on drugs.

    "An Act To provide for the registration of, with collectors of internal revenue, and to impose a special tax on all persons who produce, import, manufacture, compound, deal in, dispense, sell, distribute, or give away opium or coca leaves, their salts, derivatives, or preparations, and for other purposes." The courts interpreted this to mean that physicians could prescribe narcotics to patients in the course of normal treatment, but not for the treatment of addiction.

    Although technically illegal for purposes of distribution and use, the distribution, sale and use of cocaine was still legal for registered companies and individuals.

    The war on drugs in this country continued with the passage of thMarihuana (sic) Tax Act of 1937.

    It may be accurate to note that the 1961 UN Convention on Narcotics may have been the first international agreement and is nonetheless important in the overall history of the war on drugs, but declaring it the Genesis for the war on drugs is factually incorrect.

    •  I think that part of the history is well known (0+ / 0-)

      and this diary isn't intended to go back over the Dupont, hemp, marihuana act, etc etc etc. Most folks are, however, fairly familiar with the rudimentary details of Prohibition's beginnings in america.

      in the future, however, i will be using martin booth's book "cannabis: a history" to do a Unitary Moonbat-style History Of cannabis diary. Been wanting to do it for a couple of years now, but the cops stole that book and I have to find another copy.

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:23:31 AM PDT

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      •  Missing the point entirely (0+ / 0-)

        If the history is so well known as you claim, how come you arbitrarily used 1961 as the beginning of the drug war?

        You should read The Emperor has no clothes, by the late Jack Herer, for an overview of the history of cannabis.

    •  Drug War's creully punitive phase started in 1986 (1+ / 0-)
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      when Nancy Reagan used the overdose death of promising basketball player Len Bias on June 19, 1986 to launch a WAVE OF NATIONAL HYSTERIA over illegal drugs.

      When I think of the culminate total of all the thousands of years Americans spent in prison unnecessarily because of Nancy Fucking Reagan, I get furious. That ghoulish old woman is responsible for an enormous amount of human suffering.  

      "We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children"

      by Lefty Coaster on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 01:57:35 PM PDT

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  •  Use will increase after legalization (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't know about current penalties for driving while under the influence of marijuana, hallucigens, etc...., but they should be at the level of DUI.

    It's one thing to party for your own enjoyment; it's another when you start taking risks at the expense of innocents.

    I'm starting to feel America again.

    by Shesk on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 07:50:03 AM PDT

    •   Studies say cannabis has no impact on driving (7+ / 0-)

      Myriad studies, dating back to tests run by the U.S. Army in the 1950's, cannabis does not impair one's driving ability.

      “Crash culpability studies have failed to demonstrate that drivers with cannabinoids in the blood are significantly more likely than drug-free drivers to be culpable in road crashes.” This result is likely because subject under the influence of marijuana are aware of their impairment and compensate for it accordingly, such as by slowing down and by focusing their attention when they know a response will be required. This reaction is just the opposite of that exhibited by drivers under the influence of alcohol, who tend to drive in a more risky manner proportional to their intoxication."

      So, even in instances where the cannabis user is indeed impaired, they typically compensate by driving slower.

      Moreover, one Canadian researchernoted that previous studies that did show cannabis use adversely impacted driving ability, subjects received massive does of cannabis:

      Smiley, who has studied transportation safety for over 25 years, drew her results from a "metanalysis" of existing research into the effects of marijuana on driving ability, combined with traffic accident statistics in the United States and Australia. Previous studies showing stronger effects often combined "fairly hefty doses" by researchers with driving immediately after consumption, likely exaggerating the drug's effects, she believes.
      While Smiley does not advocate legalizing the drug, she says her results should be considered by those debating mandatory drug tests for users of transportation equipment such as truck or train drivers, or the decriminalization of marijuana for medical use. "There's an assumption that because marijuana is illegal, it must increase the risk of an accident. We should try to just stick to the facts."

      Besides, the notion that cannabis impairs performance seems to defy common sense. Anyone who has ever played foosball, shot pool, played darts, or sat in front of their Playstation  "baked" or played guitar while high usually outperforms in comparison to their baseline sobriety.

      •  Nonsense (0+ / 0-)

        The studies are crap.  It defies common sense to believe that a drug that makes one paranoid, sleepy, SLEEPY, giggly, numb, nervous, hungry, etc.... has no negative impact one one's ability to drive.

        Moreover, an overly cautious driver is oftentimes more dangerous than an aggressive driver.

        I'm starting to feel America again.

        by Shesk on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 08:28:21 AM PDT

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        •  You don't know anything about it. (5+ / 0-)

          You don't seem to speak from experience, only from rightwing propaganda.

          21st Century Republicans would much rather legalize murder than marijuana.
          DK4 Cannabis Reform Group Writing Guidelines

          by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:03:08 AM PDT

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        •  Gold Medal Olympic Athletes who smoke.... (2+ / 0-)
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          Explain them.

          21st Century Republicans would much rather legalize murder than marijuana.
          DK4 Cannabis Reform Group Writing Guidelines

          by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:04:42 AM PDT

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        •  If marijuana was REALLY a driving issue (1+ / 0-)
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          we would not need studies to tell us.

          21st Century Republicans would much rather legalize murder than marijuana.
          DK4 Cannabis Reform Group Writing Guidelines

          by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:11:46 AM PDT

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        •  But (2+ / 0-)
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          orlbucfan, Shesk

          who really wants to get in the car and go anywhere when they are stoned?  Well, maybe to the grocery store ;)

          •  People shouldn't drive while impaired (1+ / 0-)
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            But, driving erratically should be illegal not all the possible reasons some might become misquided.

            Shall we make cell phones illegal because they are now the leading cause of accident?  

            The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

            by HoundDog on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:17:54 AM PDT

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            •  driving while impaired will always be a crime (0+ / 0-)

              and when we legalize cannabis in 2012, there will no doubt be penalties for driving stoned included in the legislation to make everyone happy.

              witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

              by change the Be on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:32:46 AM PDT

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        •  I know it seems counter-intuitive, but it is true (3+ / 0-)
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          a lot of the perception out there about cannabis is based on assumptions than actual science.

          beliefs like yours are directly traceable to the lack of scientific studies on cannabis compared to tobacco or alcohol.

          Perhaps if the DEA would let our own researchers study this plant, we wouldn't have debates like this.

          but the feds and law enforcement PREFER ignorance, because the truth about cannabis is a disinfectant, like sunlight.

          witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

          by change the Be on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:31:11 AM PDT

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          •  My beliefs are based on smoking pot (0+ / 0-)

            and a lot of it; and the effects on all of my friends who I used to smoke with.  But I haven't smoked recently, so maybe the effects are different now?

            I'm starting to feel America again.

            by Shesk on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 12:46:38 PM PDT

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        •  Ok, first of all (4+ / 0-)

          Over the counter antihistamines and decongestants can make anyone sleepy (benadryl) or wired (ephedrine, phenylpropanolamine - both precursors to amphetamines) and everything in-between.

          Second, prescribed</> drugs can include: morphine, codeine, oxy and/or hydrocodone, amphetamine - even Meth (brand name Desoxyn) and plenty of other very psychoactive drugs. Hell, I took a Paxil once and it was worse than any acid trip I've ever experienced.

          Third: Look at The Netherlands, where cannabis is, for all intents and purposes, legal. They have lower rates of drug users per capita than we do.

          In short, using your argument, we should return to alcohol prohibition.

          Isn't the definition of insanity doing something over and over again and expecting different results?

          This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no foolin' around!

          by Snud on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 10:04:08 AM PDT

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        •  Pot makes you paranoid? Nervous? (0+ / 0-)

          You definitely don't know what you're talking about. There are plenty of respected kossacks on here who do. You have the right to disagree, but hopefully you're not doing the troll dance.

          YUPPIE Anthem: Greed is Great!

          •  I admit (0+ / 0-)

            I haven't smoked in about 20 years, but I smoked almost every night during college.  Maybe the new stuff doesn't work the way the old stuff did.  A buddy of mine used to freak out behind the wheel of the car; always thought he saw the flashing lights.  Very paranoid.  Me, I used to zone out and fall asleep.

            I'm starting to feel America again.

            by Shesk on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 12:42:55 PM PDT

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          •  The old ditch weed (0+ / 0-)

            they sold in the 70's often made me paranoid and anxious. The excellent, hydroponically cultivated strains today do not have the same deleterious effects. However, I find Indica strains to be quite unpleasant.

            "How I hate those who are dedicated to producing conformity." William S Burroughs

            by shmuelman on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 01:59:11 PM PDT

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          •  It most certainly can make you paranoid (0+ / 0-)

            Depending on the strain and the person.  I get that way with some of the stronger weed out there now.

            I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

            by AoT on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 02:35:00 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  Do have any objective or (0+ / 0-)

          empiric evidence that the studies are crap? Or is it just crap cuz of your "common sense?" Obviously, getting stoned to the point of incapacitation would impact your driving, similar to driving in a coma, but with something less than that, studies show that there is not much of a level of impact. Of course, maybe you can publish an article in Nature based on your beliefs.

          "How I hate those who are dedicated to producing conformity." William S Burroughs

          by shmuelman on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 01:56:06 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Heh (0+ / 0-)

            I used to do research.  Gave that nonsense up a long time ago.  Then I was in the business of suing companies and people for fabricating data.

            Now I produce and sell things and contribute to the economy.  

            I'm starting to feel America again.

            by Shesk on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 03:03:31 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  that is absolutely correct; see LA Times writer (1+ / 0-)
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        Steve Lopez's work.

        I remember reading his columns in the run-up to Prop 19, and he actually wrote a column about smoking a fat joint in front of state patrol and cops before doing a drugged driving experiment for them.

        his driving scores weren't too bad, but were not as good as when he was sober.

        but he pointed out the same thing : for one person to smoke an entire joint of high-grade medical hydroponic cannabis IMMEDIATELY before driving is a "pretty hefty dose" indeed.

        cannaniboids are way different than alcohol, but if I were to compare the two, I'd say that smoking a whole joint of California medical pot by yourself right before driving is like chugging an entire bottle of wine before getting behind the wheel.

        let us also not forget that smoking a whole joint by yourself is bogarting in the extreme! pass that ish!

        witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

        by change the Be on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:29:23 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  That is a republican talking point (6+ / 0-)

      and has no basis in reality.

      Plus, cannabis is not like alcohol and we have the FIELD SOBRIETY TEST: If people can pass it THEY CAN PASS IT. If they can't, THEY CAN'T.

      Stoned driving is just one of the ignorant arguments the UNKNOWING Trot out whenever real cannabis reform discourse makes inroads.

      One can tell who knows what about cannabis from a mile away.

      21st Century Republicans would much rather legalize murder than marijuana.
      DK4 Cannabis Reform Group Writing Guidelines

      by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:02:24 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  ALCOHOL? (1+ / 0-)
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      It's one thing to party for your own enjoyment; it's another when you start taking risks at the expense of innocents.

      21st Century Republicans would much rather legalize murder than marijuana.
      DK4 Cannabis Reform Group Writing Guidelines

      by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:10:59 AM PDT

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    •  Perhaps, shesk, but we can have laws against (1+ / 0-)
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      dangerous driving.

      We do not make alcohol illegal because some folks drive drunk.

      We do not make knives illegal because some commit murder.

      Murder should be illegal, not knives.

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:15:48 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  studies don't support your claim at all. (2+ / 0-)
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      the legalization of marijuana in the netherlands did not lead to an increase in usage there. in fact, usage rates there are lower than the USA.

      drug war prohibitionists HATE to hear the truth on that one.

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:25:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Bogus argument. (2+ / 0-)
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      Making something legal doesn't endorse it's use or discourage it as we all know what happened during the alcohol prohibition. The only changes made during that 13 year prohibition were a new generation of gangsters to add to our American folklore and the skyrocketing price of alcohol which benefited bootleggers.

      Drinkers didn't care about the prohibition and neither do weed smokers. In spite of the law, these folks have found their way to the substance anyway. The law doesn't influence acceptance any more than making it illegal influences it's elimination from the country. It just creates drug mules. Not the kind of job creation I like. :-)

      "Warm smell of Moulitsas rising up in the air..." -seanwright

      by GenXangster on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 10:03:23 AM PDT

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    •  People will smoke more pot if (0+ / 0-)

      it is legal. And they'll drink less (and do illegal drugs less). All drugs are substitute products for one another. There's no reason to believe that legal pot will increase traffic accidents, taking all considerations into account (including the obvious fact that marijuana is not as debilitating as alcohol to the driver).

      I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

      by doc2 on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 01:48:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  You can create (7+ / 0-)

    .. a large body of second class citizens with draconian drug laws.

    Actually : We have created..

    An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics - Plutarch

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 08:41:12 AM PDT

    •  Drug laws are racist, classist, unwise, inhuman, (4+ / 0-)

      and unaffordable.

      Until we have universal, completely adequate health care, and social programs, it should be unconstitutional to prevent people from self-medicating.

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:21:08 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  we live in a Brave New World (4+ / 0-)

        now, please stop smoking that plant, and please buy these pills from me, and pay that doctor to prescribe them.

        what's funny is that folks like me that don't have health insurance find it funny that we should spend a  $100 at a walk-in clinic to ask for prescription pills if we want medication of some sort for our heads, plus pay full cost for the continuing prescription.

        Medical pros are uneasy about folks self-medicating with cannabis, and that is understandable, but people are not going to stop self-medicating, and they can't even medicate with corporate drugs if they don't have $$ or health insurance!

        so give us health care, or let ppl smoke their fucking herb, which we will do anyway whether it's against the law or not.

        witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

        by change the Be on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:53:16 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  It goes even further (3+ / 0-)

          With the advent of drug testing at the drop of the hat -  people in some circumstances are at risk for taking pain relief medications because they can't afford to see a doctor and get a damn prescription.

          Suffer or go to jail. In the "land of the free and the home of the brave."

          An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics - Plutarch

          by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 10:27:26 AM PDT

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          •  I do not want the government or police force (0+ / 0-)

            micro-managing my neuro-chemical states.

            The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

            by HoundDog on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 11:32:06 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Libertarians and Teabaggers even, should (1+ / 0-)

              agree with us on this.

              Now let's work on the Democratic leadership.

              I expected President Obama to pardon the some 1 million folks incarcerated for drug offenses.

              That's almost half our prision populations.

              Imagine the savings.

              The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

              by HoundDog on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 11:33:49 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Bush pardoned more ppl for drugs than Obama has (1+ / 0-)
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                in just the last couple of months of Bushie's term.

                One of the guys that Bush pardoned is named John Forte, the former member of the Fugees who got pardoned by Bush for cocaine sentence.

                Obama has issued a record-low number of pardons.

                witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

                by change the Be on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 12:16:13 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  To echo some of the people here yesterday (2+ / 0-)
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                HoundDog, change the Be

                I do not recognize the country I grew up in.

                It's  not as if I ever wore rose-colored glasses. Take the blinders off today though, and it's really ugly out there.  The percentage of people imprisoned, or on parole or probation is mind-boggling. The fact that a job application requires a urine sample is beyond the pale.

                An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics - Plutarch

                by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21:16 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Hey. And the retort that it is "optional to (2+ / 0-)

                  get a job."  NOT!

                  Hey in the old days, if society got this bad, one could move out west and live off the land.  Or go to Australia.

                  Now, what are we supposed to do?

                  You can't even pitch a tent in a national forreset without a permit.   And that's often expensive and only for a couple of days.

                  What happens once you are homeless.

                  Homeless shelter will not take you if you drink alcohol, and the one's I went to, had the option of drug testing and kicking you out if you were positive.

                  The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

                  by HoundDog on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 12:36:45 PM PDT

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                  •  It's easier and more efficient (2+ / 0-)
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                    ..to simply incarcerate you.

                    Luckily(?) I'm in California, and at least the marijuana laws aren't full on Reefer-Madness bad. But even here - If you can't afford to get a prescription, you're subject to the judicial system in all its crazy "wisdom" for possession of the wrong kind of flower.

                    The budget cuts here are going to be brutal though. $27 Billion in the hole.

                    I'm little more than a stone's throw from living on the street at any given moment these days. What am I supposed to do?

                    I think I'm supposed to just die or go to jail. Let the market sort things out. There are winners and losers. Real unemployment here is sky high and doesn't seem to be improving much. Business opportunities are just as bad.

                    An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics - Plutarch

                    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 01:26:24 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  I was born in California and always thought it (1+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      change the Be

                      was the smartest, hippest, and most happening state.

                      But, then my father moved us east to mid-Pennsylvania, (Alabama stuck betwen two modern Democratic cities, Pittsburg, and Phili., and I lost touch and became stodgy.

                      But, I'm thinking of moving back so I can get a prescription for your herbal medical supplements.

                      Isn't California's state flower, the Golden Poppy?   That doesn't have psychoactive properties does it?

                      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

                      by HoundDog on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 02:21:09 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                    •  hunter s thompson (0+ / 0-)

                      "some get rich and others just eat shit and die"
                      -he spoke the truth in such a language that anyone could understand it.

                      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

                      by change the Be on Sat Mar 19, 2011 at 04:00:57 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

  •  timely story (5+ / 0-)

    There was an article in my local paper yesterday about a mass overdose where about a dozen people at a party took a synthetic drug called 2C-E. One 19-year-old died and another 10 or 11 people were hospitalized. I had never heard of it before, but 2C-E has hallucinogenic effects and is currently treated as a ‘research compound,’ i.e.: it hasn’t been legislated as an illegal drug yet. You can buy it over the internet and it’s legal to possess.

    The obvious question is: why do people use this stuff? The obvious answer is: Because the commonly known non- or less-toxic alternatives are all illegal. The drug laws incentivize people to seek out unknown, toxic, synthetic, -but legal- compounds. The closest analog to 2C-E is probably Ecstasy, which is in no way ‘good’ for you but at least it has been around for awhile and people know how to take it without OD’ing.

    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

    by Joe Bob on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 08:42:40 AM PDT

    •  Self medication for depression, boredom (1+ / 0-)
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      etc.  

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:22:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  a kid in europe recently died from Caffiene (2+ / 0-)
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      it's legal to sell powder caffeine over there, not sure about over here.

      a kid snorted it by accident, and died. there is a lethal dosage of caffeine.

      I have tried 2-c-e. you know, at the end of the day, human beings are going to try to alter their consciousness.

      let's allow them to use the only 'safe' drug out there-cannabis, instead of having them drinkk nyquil, do random designer drugs, underage liquor drinking, hard drugs, or doing fake weed/fake cocaine.

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:37:23 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Totally agree (1+ / 0-)
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        change the Be

        In this same article I read they also talked about K2, which I think is even more of a travesty. The only reason something like K2 exists and people smoke it because marijuana is illegal. Otherwise, no one in their right mind would put that stuff in their body. If you accept that people are going to get high, having them smoke dried plant leaves rather than a synthetic chemical would be the course that would produce the least harm.

        As in so many other ways, the behavior the War on Drugs incentivizes is often worse than what they say they are fighting. You don’t have to be much of an anthropologist to look across history and cultures all over the world to conclude that seeking mind-altering substances is an intrinsic human behavior. In a rational world the powers that be would recognize that they can’t defeat human nature and, as far as mitigating the consequences of drug use/abuse, pursue a strategy of harm reduction rather than prohibition and punishment.

        Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

        by Joe Bob on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 10:42:08 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  That reminds me of an interesting factoid. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        change the Be

        If you feed enough caffeine to a lab rat, it will bite itself to death.  

        Renewable energy brings national security.      -6.25, -6.05

        by Calamity Jean on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 11:38:30 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Marijuana Prohibition doesn't help America. (3+ / 0-)
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    It never has.

    It never ever ever will.

    It's something for stupid people to cheer.

    America has LOTS of stupid people.

    When I run out of weed, I blame republicans.....and other stupid people.

    21st Century Republicans would much rather legalize murder than marijuana.
    DK4 Cannabis Reform Group Writing Guidelines

    by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 08:59:41 AM PDT

    •  Our drug laws are causing incredible (0+ / 0-)

      damage to our country, our people, or economy, and our social fabric.  

      With the ingenuity of American farmers, we could be the Saudi Arabia of the global marijuana industry.

      We have to have something to export to buy all this middle eastern oil, and Chinese manugacturing goods.

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 09:28:47 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Teh STUPID is scary now, just give it 20 more year (0+ / 0-)

      god help us.

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 12:17:23 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  with music (1+ / 0-)
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    "Normal's just a setting on the washing machine," sung by Bernice Lewis.

    The link is to her page, playlist's at the bottom. It's on as a listen-to at the moment.
     

    Things are not what they seem to be; nor are they otherwise. -- The Lankavatara Sutra

    by Mnemosyne on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 08:59:50 AM PDT

  •  Once again, Bill Hicks sums it up best: (1+ / 0-)
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    change the Be

    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. --John F. Kennedy

    by Beelzebud on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 10:01:25 AM PDT

  •  The New War is Between DEA and IRS (6+ / 0-)

    It is clear to me that Holder lied when he claimed the DOJ would no longer go after "state legal" cannabis people and here is why I feel that way.

     Over a period of months now the FEDs, DEA, ATF, FBI, and even ICE and Homeland Security along with local authorities have been busting in, guns drawn, and scooping up all the records, drugs and money they can find. It hasn't mattered if they were State Legal or not. Just this week 26 medical marijuana dispensaries in 13 Montana cities and a couple in Ca. were raided. The amount of money seized both at the dispensaries and in bank accounts was in the Millions. The law says that any agency involved in the bust gets a share of the spoils. You can imagine how hard it is to get any of these funds back and if you do manage it, it now appears the IRS is now Auditing Dispensaries and  saying there are no legitimate business deductions so with penalties most dispensaries now owe the IRS Millions of dollars in back taxes and fines.

     Even in my small town they now hold checkpoint stops at least once a week so they can impound the car of any unlic. or drunk driver. They them usually end up selling the car at auction and fattening their local beer and BBQ funds. As always people need only to follow the Money.
    Montana medical marijuana stores raided; advocates cry foul

  •  50 Years of Failure... (1+ / 0-)
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    by both the dems and the repugs.

    this is yet another example of major U.S. policy which never changes- regardless of which political party occupies the white house.. it just doesn't make a difference.

    remember, Obama laughed at the notion of legal marijuana.

    weak, very weak.

    "I don't feel the change yet". Velma Hart

    by Superpole on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 11:01:06 AM PDT

    •  The Montana mmj raids last week were typical (2+ / 0-)
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      thuggery.

      If that's the policy Obama prefers, and Eric Holder, then it's gonna hurt them politically, unless they're trying to win over prohibitionists in Montana at the expense of voters in the rest of the West.

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 12:23:59 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •   If POTUSBO stops revering and copying (1+ / 0-)
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    Bluefin

    Ronald Rayguns, we might get somewhere in correcting not just the War on Drugs, but the Depression we're in.

    YUPPIE Anthem: Greed is Good!

  •  Somoene somewhere has been begging (0+ / 0-)

    for their brother in law, or someone like him to stop abusing drugs, get off the couch, get a job and get out for a fuck of a lot longer than 50 years.

    I'm not afraid of guns! I'm afraid of the people that obsess over owning them.

    by Detroit Mark on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 11:47:17 AM PDT

    •  I wish your bro-in-law the best of luck! (0+ / 0-)

      ha.

      your name looks familiar......I'm almost motivated to dig for evidence of troll-ishness, but that would be less fun than dishing out my snark.

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 12:20:10 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  actually, let's lock up your bro-in-law (0+ / 0-)

      it will get him off your couch!

      but it will cost us 50k a year.

      so......fuck that. Put your own family thru rehab and save us taxpayers the prison-building $$.

      and, as rick james said on the Chappelle Show......FUCK YO COUCH!!!!!

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21:51 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  completely ridiculous the entire thing (0+ / 0-)

    thanks for the information.

    What a waste unless you like locking people up and turning them into non-citizens and look like you are tough on crime, priceless.

    John Kasich, R-OH-gov hates black people, women, children, and unions, I guess that covers almost everyone.

    by OHknighty on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 12:04:49 PM PDT

  •  Save black America by ending the drug war (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    One key getting past the race issue in America is to end the war on drugs. John McWhorter says it’s the most important thing we could do.

    Cato’s Letter features a lecture by McWhorter in which he calls for an end to the war on drugs. (It’s really a war on certain people.) McWhorter, the former Berkeley linguistics professor and now senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, specifically indicts the war on drugs for “destroying black America.” McWhorter, by the way, is black.

    The “main obstacle(s) to getting black America past the illusion that racism is still a defining factor in America” are, he says, “the strained relationship between young black men and police forces” and the “massive number of black men in prison.”

    And what accounts for this? Prohibition.

    “Therefore, if the War on Drugs were terminated, the main factor keeping race-based resentment a core element in the American social fabric would no longer exist. America would be a better place for all.”
    McWhorter sees prohibition as the saboteur of black families. “It has become a norm for black children to grow up in single-parent homes, their fathers away in prison for long spells and barely knowing them. In poor and working-class black America, a man and a woman raising their children together is, of all things, an unusual sight. The War on Drugs plays a large part in this.”

    He also blames the black market created by prohibition for diverting young black men from the normal workforce. “Because the illegality of drugs keeps the prices high,” he says, “there are high salaries to be made in selling them. This makes selling drugs a standing tempting alternative to seeking lower-paying legal employment.”

    John Stossel: Save black America by ending the drug war

  •  DOJs New Memo re: Medical Marijuana (0+ / 0-)

    Finally the DOJ tells the truth. They never had any intention of backing off on any of the Dispensaies or Growers. Details... http://www.dailykos.com/...

  •  Wow, man, fifty. That's, like, intense. (0+ / 0-)

    I mean man, um yeah, did the pizza get here yet? It must be five hours.

    •  that burning sensation (0+ / 0-)

      you felt in your anus last night was your herpes flareup, nothing more. Don't worry.
      --Jesus to 'archer070'

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 06:35:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  It was perhaps a noble idea. (0+ / 0-)

    There's a road to someplace paved with good intentions, isn't there?

    When do I get to vote on your marriage?

    by jarhead5536 on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 02:50:13 PM PDT

  •  I'm going to attempt to be (0+ / 0-)

    charitable here.  Our laws are at bottom an attempt to state the morality of the society we live in.  I imagine that the folks that dreamed up this epic misadventure felt that saying or doing nothing was to give implicit permission/approval to a destructive element in our world.  Some things, like the need to self medicate, are clearly too powerful to even try to control by law...

    When do I get to vote on your marriage?

    by jarhead5536 on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 02:54:57 PM PDT

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