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Things are moving pretty fast in the aftermath of a brutal beating of a transgender woman at a McDonald's near Baltimore.  Earlier today, the guy who taped the whole thing got his walking papers.

A Baltimore County McDonald's owner announced on Saturday afternoon that an employee who taped the violent beating of a customer — a video that went viral Friday — had been fired.

"My first and foremost concern is with the victim," franchise owner Mitchell McPherson said in a statement, adding that action might be taken against other restaurant workers as well. "I'm as shocked and disturbed by this assault as anyone would be. The behavior displayed in the video is unfathomable and reprehensible."

There shouldn't be a "might" about this.  Every employee who doesn't have a good explanation for why they didn't try to help needs to be fired.  A woman gets beaten badly enough to have a seizure, and they laugh rather than help?  I'm hoping the only reason more people weren't fired already is because McPherson is still trying to gather the facts.

Apologies for the short diary--this just broke a few hours ago.

Originally posted to Christian Dem in NC on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 07:36 PM PDT.

Also republished by Angry Gays and TransAction.

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  •  interesting (40+ / 0-)

    the first person fired was the one responsible for everyone knowing about it, and for giving the franchise bad publicity. obviously, he should have been helping rather than filming, but if that was the owner's prime motivation, he'd have fired all the employees who were seen not helping.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 07:41:32 PM PDT

    •  The story seems to imply that he is (17+ / 0-)

      That might have been the biggest reason he was fired, IMHO.

      We are all Stranded Wind.

      by Christian Dem in NC on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 07:58:30 PM PDT

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    •  I didn't actually see or hear the part on the (14+ / 0-)

      video of the employee telling the perps to run because the cops were coming.
      But that was an effective way to try and get rid of them.
      Also the video could be evidence against the attackers in court. I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know if it would be admissible as evidence or not.

      I also think a business open at night should have some kind of hired security guard to handle situations like this one.
      So proof of what happened could make the owners unhappy, if it could be used against them.

      Of course a couple of the employees should have immediately done something, anything to stop the attack! Like yelling I'm calling 911 and holding up the phone for the attackers to see. The manager was a large enough man to have done more too, with the help of several  employees.

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 08:13:44 PM PDT

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      •  it most definitely would be admissible (8+ / 0-)

        fwiw, the exclusionary rule (which wouldn't apply even if cops had made the filming) doesn't apply to non-LEO's unless they are acting as agents of LEO's.

        regardless, there are no such issues here, even if LEO's took the video.

      •  Because I am a tiny woman (2+ / 0-)
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        and because the attackers were women, there are several things I could have still done;

        1. I could have screamed and cried like a banshee. "Stop! Stop it!! OMG!! HELP!!!"

        2. I could have given the phone to another employee and had them continue to record while I call 911 or instructed someone else to call 911. The recording is valuable evidence against the attackers.

        3. If I could have had someone else record the incident, I would have blocked the victim with my own body or at least covered her head. They wouldn't have been trying to hit me so if I got any blows, hopefully, they wouldn't be too severe to me and the victim would have been blocked. If they would have hit or kicked me, now they have TWO victims of assault.

        I can do that because I am a healthy and athletic person in my late 30s with pliable bones and a bit of agility. I really applaud that elderly lady for getting involved. She could have broken her hip or her back and died.

        4. Because I'm real 'hood and I aint scared of NOBODY, I would have grabbed one of those _____ by the hair and dragged HER ass away to keep her from beating that balled up woman on the floor. The other one would have jumped me but hopefully the fuckin manager would help ME at least. I aint scared of getting jumped. They could have tried to sue McDonald's because I beat on one of them but so fuckin what? That case is thrown out of court when it goes to trial. I'd like to see what damages they claim from me after what they did to the transwoman. I get fired, who cares? Fuck McDonald's.

        But I'm a good hearted person and a wildcat and fearless in the face of injustice. I'm crazy as hell. Everybody isn't like that. Most people are horrified at violence. That's why I'm all for the Seinfeld law. At least yell stop or call 911. Don't just stand there filming silently.

        You know what really bothers me about this whole thing? I could have been anyone in that store, customer, manager, employee and I could have screamed and cried for help at random people and invited more harm to the transwoman or just pure indifference. People see women beating up a transwoman and most likely they wouldn't see the humanity of the woman getting beaten. They wouldn't feel that much pity. It makes me want to cry like a river. I wouldn't have had time to yell, "This is caused by an extremely prejudiced and hostile society! This is a human being!" I would have had to just jump in there.

        If they were two men, I think I might have employed tactic #1 because a women screaming and crying bloody murder at the actions of two men rather than women gets more attention. If these men had more fighting skills than those two girls, I may have not been able to get too close. I have jumped on men before to defend my boyfriend but I had a weapon to deliver a blow to the guy to get him off my boyfriend. I'm not really the type that cowers in a corner while dudes beat my bf. I jump in but I'm a lot more cautious.

        "Warm smell of Moulitsas rising up in the air..." -seanwright

        by GenXangster on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 10:12:41 AM PDT

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    •  Unless he was doing it to get them to leave..... (6+ / 0-) help protect the transgender woman.

      I might use that ploy to break off an attack.  Especially if I was shooting video that could be used to convict these two female thugs later. The fact that he immediately put the video on youtube argues against that interpretation, though.

      What bothers me is that he was shooting instead of helping.  This seems to be an epidemic these taping something God awful when its happening instead of putting the damn camera down and trying to prevent or stop what's happening.

      Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

      by Sirenus on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 03:37:35 AM PDT

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    •  Telling them to leave at least stopped the beating (1+ / 0-)
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      The video ensured that the attackers would be caught, also to the good. His attitude appears to be a problem, however. It is difficult to ascribe good motives to his actions despite what ended up being useful.

  •  Good (9+ / 0-)

    I'll add a link to this diary in my comments for this diary

    Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 07:44:07 PM PDT

  •  Fired from mcd'S (9+ / 0-)

    his life may be over.

    George Bush is Living proof of the axiom "Never send a boy to do a man's job" E -2.25 S -4.10

    by nathguy on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 07:49:15 PM PDT

  •  It's like the Lily Tomlin's punchline (12+ / 0-)

    from "9 to 5" movie: "I killed the boss! You don't think they are going to fire me for a thing like that?"

    But pathetic, instead of funny.

    It is better to marry than to be tortured continually with ungratified desire. 1 Corinthians 7:9

    by Scott Wooledge on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 07:51:58 PM PDT

  •  Good! (10+ / 0-)

    Yeah why the would-be camera person needed a lot less filming and a lot more helping and assisting

    "That's quite a jump. But you keep it up, I'm sure one day you'll clear that shark."

    by Steve In DC on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 07:57:25 PM PDT

  •  yes, i suspect he was fired more (22+ / 0-)

    because he put the restaurant in a bad light, but i'm just cynical.

    "Such is the irresistible nature of truth that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine

    by blueoregon on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 08:02:42 PM PDT

  •  the only silver lining in this (33+ / 0-)

    is that his tape is irrefutable evidence.   other than that, the fact that no one besides an older woman even tried to intervene is incredibly shocking.

    have our lives completely devolved into a reality show episode?  

  •  Such disregard (12+ / 0-)

    and lack of compassion for another human being.

    I saw the video and it was disgusting.

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

    by ctexrep on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 08:14:30 PM PDT

  •  Having just watched the video, I am wondering (12+ / 0-)

    why most of the people on the shift aren't being fired for not responding.  Is this what the "McJob" slur really means?  Is this what lack of ownership in one's employer's business looks like?

    I guess I just don't understand anything anymore about how things work out there in the big city.  In the place of business where I work, these two young female assailants would have been on the floor and prepped for the police to take into custody pretty early on...

    "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upward mobile..." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    by Jack K on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 08:16:55 PM PDT

    •  Dunno if not responding is a criminal offense (2+ / 0-)
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      Firing, definitely.  A tort, beyond question.  But not criminal.

      We are all Stranded Wind.

      by Christian Dem in NC on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 08:18:58 PM PDT

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      •  actually, most such private businesses generally (8+ / 0-)

        either prohibit employees from attempting to apprehend or stop a criminal act in progress, or strongly discourage it.

        except in rare cases, a civilian NEVER has a duty to render assistance AT ALL, let alone stop an attacker.

        there are rare exceptions (like if you CAUSE injury in a motor vehicle accident you are required to remain on scene and summon aid).

        generally speaking, a citizen has no positive duty to help anybody unless a special relationship applies (like doctor/patient) etc.

        there was a case a few years ago where a guy watched his buddy brutalize and rape somebody.  he stood by and did nothing/  he was not charged since he didn't ASSIST the criminal ... he committed no crime.  he just calmly watched his buddy do the crime.  

        •  Parents of children are also required (5+ / 0-)

          to protect them.

          The interesting thing about on-duty medical personnel is that there are often laws or rules about them even protecting themselves from an attacker.  They may be allowed to restrain a violent person, but not take anything that could be construed as aggressive action.

          In general, I don't think inaction should be criminalized.  People have legitimate fears about getting involved, whether of getting hurt, or being charged if the situation deteriorates and there aren't witnesses to corroborate their role, or simply of dealing with law enforcement.  

          And, in cases where there is such fear, then filming can be a rational response.  It has captured much police brutality, for example.

          I haven't brought myself to watch this video.  But it sure doesn't sound like the employees were afraid to intervene.  It sounds like they just didn't care -- they thought it was funny.  If they'd said "stop" or "I'm calling the police" instead of laughing, the story would mostly be about the attack, rather than the employees.

          •  Yes, that is one of those "Special relationships" (5+ / 0-)

            that are an exception.  However, even parents are not legally required to put themselves in any sort of serious physical danger to do so.    But yes, parents have a positive duty to PREVENT harm to their children, whereas an average person has no such duty and no duty to help anybody (with rare exceptions) who has been harmed.

            An extreme example: a guy is lying on the sidewalk bleeding and you have a cell phone.  Are you REQUIRED to call 911?  no

            my point is that whether or not the employees were afraid or not, they have no LEGAL duty to intervene.  certainly, the business could be sued if employees stood by and didn't call 911 etc. if somebody was in need and they could do so without placing themselves in harm's way, but they would have no duty to stop the attack.

             I was just trying to correct some false statements in this thread where people assumed incorrectly about duties to help people, etc.

            I spent years as a lifeguard and later a firefighter.  In those jobs, I did have a duty to act, fwiw

      •  Didn't actually say that not responding was (4+ / 0-)
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        a criminal offense.  It is morally criminal, but that is an entirely different question...

        "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upward mobile..." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

        by Jack K on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 09:37:19 PM PDT

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        •  We've become a video nation. (3+ / 0-)

          We watch violence every day. Hell, our children play games that are more violent than the most violent movies were thirty years ago.

          We don't act. We spectate. Even when the violence is real.

          Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

          by Sirenus on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 03:43:14 AM PDT

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    •  Employee training (9+ / 0-)

      they're told to not get involved in anything.

      I can't be an elitist! I have stupid friends!

      by happymisanthropy on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 08:41:20 PM PDT

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    •  It's not even about jobs (8+ / 0-)

      or ownership in your company--it's about simple humanity. Who could sit and watch that and do nothing?

      There's a reason Democrats won massively the last two cycles, and it wasn't because people were desperate for "bipartisanship". --kos

      by Debby on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 09:55:16 PM PDT

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  •  Employees were placed in a position (5+ / 0-)

    of possible harm. Management warns employees if robbed to just give the money and do not do anything to place youself in harms way any more than the employee is already in. ( they were in essence following management guidelines)
      The particular employee fired conspired in the crime so it seems. Management should be fired for letting it occur and become so violent. Regular employees due to McDs lack of management and security were  placed in a violent atmosphere.

    I dont know about the morally correct action for an employee to try to stop the violence.
     The safestest approach for an employee would be to contact management & police and do not get involved This is 100% managements responsibility. If one of the employees was your teenage child would you want them to intervene not knowing whether the assailants were armed or not?

    •  Somehow I'd think that if there was a cause (3+ / 0-)
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      Mariken, jayden, skrekk

      for an exception to the "don't get involved" rule, it would be a situation where someone was getting beaten up even though s/he was completely defenseless.

      We are all Stranded Wind.

      by Christian Dem in NC on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 09:01:28 PM PDT

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      •  So a pregnant employee should jump into (3+ / 0-)
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        •  Certainly not n/t (0+ / 0-)

          We are all Stranded Wind.

          by Christian Dem in NC on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 09:35:51 PM PDT

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          •  So we really dont know the situations (0+ / 0-)

            that the employees where in. They are trained by management to not place themselves in harms way particularly when it involves a robbery or fights among patrons or other employees. The employees are themselves probably kids. Just as shocked and stunned as we are at the violence.
             The management bears the full brunt of peoples anger here. I know having been in rest. management that My responsibility would be first delgate someone to call 911 2nd dive right into the middle of it to put it to a stop. If their was a night manager I would expect the same action from that person(unless it was a female in say a pregnancy situation) I was involved in about a dozen different violent episodes thank god none became as horrific as this.
            with all that being said and all else failed I would hope a brave employee would step in, in direct conflict with what I would have instructed him/her to do( keep yourself from harm)with thanks for saveing this person and my employement.

            •  why the hell is it the management's responsibility (2+ / 0-)
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              Why  is it not the community's responsibility, because it obviously tolerates such residents? Why is it not the locale's authorities responsibility? Why is a business that exists to sell cheap burgers supposed to be responsible for violent behavior of its visitors?

              •  Management sets the rules and instructs the (0+ / 0-)

                employees on violent behavior and safety precautions. they would have been instructed to not intervene but to notify management. Where was management?
                 The community bares some responsibility, obviously Transmen and transwomen are the victims of far more hate crime than any other group. The lack of education and support for LBGT community is a black mark among most communities. You cant just fire a community, rectifing this will take time.
                 The locale authorities have upheld responsibility by arresting the perps, hopefully they will look into this particular employees involvement to see if he conspired in their get-away. The local authorities bare other responsibilities by again not being more accepting of the lbgt community and educating the public on the high rates of violence directed toward the LGBT community.
                 Being that we cannot afford to place a police officer in every business establishment, Businesses are expected to maintain security that allows its patrons a secure ( free from violence) setting.
                 But this is all part of the larger picture. The particular incident of this young lady being beaten is the fault of the managers present failing to maintain a violent free setting on this particular night. If other employees cheered on the beating such as the movie the accused with Jodie Foster then they may well be or should be charged, if so management should still be fired not only for not maintaining a peaceful atmosphere but for hiring dreadful employees.

                •  This is where I part company (1+ / 0-)
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                  Businesses are expected to maintain security that allows its patrons a secure ( free from violence) setting.

                  This is an example of an "anti-business" ideology that the Right imputes to the Left, and in this case I side with the Right - because your position is absolutely bizarre. You are saying that a business, any business, needs to incur costs in maintaining security in its establishment, while paying taxes for the police to do this. Why is the onus on the business? Why can't a business assume there are people around, rather than savages? Why should the management "maintain a violent free setting" when, clearly, the policy at large failed?

                  •  Business incur the costs for a safe, a alarm (0+ / 0-)

                    cameras, locks, institute paperwork for deposits, pay for banking, have secure credit card processors... to protect their investment. Businesses shell out alot of money to attract and retain customers so their customers security is a major investment, an investment that they can not rely on the local police to protect 24/7 in the manner that businesses need. There isnt enough money to protect all the restaurants and retail shops with a police officer 24/7 and businesses would not want the extra taxes it would cost to their bussiness for that type of security. Restaurants dont want their employees enforcing security they have a difficult enough time training them for the task at hand. So employees in an emergancy situation are to inform management. The manager is the security officer in a restaurant and is trained on how to resolve these types of problems. Rather simple solution help the girl to a secure area in the restaurant till police arrive. Most restaurants do not want the added expense of a security guard which is why The manager assumes that role. The restaurants security policy failed because manager did not implement it.
                     On top of the managers not implementing any security, there is also a real hiring and training problem at this location evidenced from the lack of empathy by the employees. If your employees are not caring about the patrons walking into your restaurant you have got major problems.
                     do you leave your house unlocked? why pay for a lock (security) when you pay local police for security? Do you believe a police officer should be stationed at the door of every building in every city and if so how do you plan on paying for those police officers? Are you willing to pay extra taxes for a police officer stationed at your door because you dont want to pay for a lock?
                     Reality tells us that many humans behave in a violent way, they steal, they destroy, business can not wish that away.
                     This girl should sue for damages: the restaurant its owners, the employee that filmed it and placed it on the internet.  I would guess McDs will bring in a new management team and that will take a real close look at the employees working that shift while checking every aspect of the entire operation for problems. They have specialists for  problem operations.

                    As far as liability,  Restaurants have thru the years assumed security for its customers, customers have come to expect it, sometimes it fails and police are called, most times it works fine, sometimes it is beyond the control of the business.  In this case with the sustained attack, not removing the girl to a secure location, lack of empathy by employees, absent or uncaring manager has shown a degree of negligence by management that is liable.IMHO

              •  Because they were there! (4+ / 0-)
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                Or shall we post a notice convening a town hall meeting to discuss all your points while this woman is being beaten and kicked?

                I don't think anyone is singling out McDonald's. I think everyone is saying that people, especially a number of people, should not just stand by while a helpless human being is being viciously beaten.

                Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

                by Sirenus on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 03:55:08 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah, I'm sure that those guys we saw (1+ / 0-)
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          not intervening were less able to than the elderly woman who did (and got punched for her trouble).

          Maybe they were pregnant (with fatty Big Macs).

          I'm not anti-nuke, I'm anti-bullshit.

          by 2dimeshift on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 01:12:10 AM PDT

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          •  Watch the video (0+ / 0-)

            A middle aged man not in a regular McDs uniform but a blue oxford shirt intervened sorta, Blue oxford shirts are standard for what many restaurants require for dress code of managers.
             So I assumed he was management but that is an assumption. If he was the night manager what an ass. also might explain the odd behavior of some of the employees just looking on. ( not the camera man)

        •  Please. You know no one would mean that. (0+ / 0-)

          A really stupid comment.

          Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

          by Sirenus on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 03:51:25 AM PDT

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          •  I did not say the commentor meant that (0+ / 0-)

            I was giving an example of reasons employees would not dive into a fight. We do not know each employees reasonings for not helping, calling for wholesale firing of employees who can not show justification for helping IMHO is overboard. There are countless possible reasons, another being they where instructed by managers not to get involved which the video does not happen to capture.

      •  yes, but to come to the conclusion (1+ / 0-)
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        (the result of ethical decision making) that this, in fact, is a situation for which one should break the rules, requires a certain level of both maturity and some awareness of things like "ethical decision making", which I am pretty sure is not part of the McDonald's training program.  

        It is also, not always part of younger people's cognitive and emotional experience, so it is not so surprising that the person trying to intervene in this instance was an older woman.

        Are people on these threads really so unaware of how McDonald's, in particular, but large organizations in general really do have policies that seriously hinder employees actions in situations like this?  

        There was an entire book written about how the corporate needs of McDonald's work to shape even their employees interpersonal interactions while they are on the job.

        Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

        by a gilas girl on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 08:13:54 PM PDT

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    •  I Can Easily Flip That Around..... (3+ / 0-)
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      And ask if that was your child on the floor getting their head beat in, would you want the employees to sit on their hands while it happened?

      •  If that was my child being beaten (5+ / 0-)

        I would want someone to stop it but I would not want another person's child shot and killed neither. Management is 100% responsible and should not have been more than 20 seconds away ( McDs Lot size) from this occurance.
        Teenage employees are not responsible for security in a restaurant.  

        •  Shot and killed? (0+ / 0-)

          These were a few, ~5'7", clearly unarmed women.    Where did "shot and killed" come from?

          The thing that's morally reprehensible here is that the staff could have easily stopped these women.  These weren't terrorists with AK-47s here.

          •  You must have x-ray vision to see right (1+ / 0-)
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            thru her purse. Obviously extremly violent women.  sure someone should have stopped it and that person was the manager on duty. I assume the manager was the man in the blue oxford shirt. but I could be wrong.

            •  Right. So they beat someone up for 3+ minutes (0+ / 0-)

              without using their weapons that they had in their purse, but as soon as someone merely tried to break up the fight, they were going to pull their hidden weapons out and shoot that person, right?

              Come on.  I mean, "they could have a secret weapon despite lacking any evidence for it" could be used as an excuse to not do anything in any situation.  "Oh, I can't go to that Obama rally -- those Tea Partiers counterprotsting might have guns and might shoot us!"

              I can't help but wonder if the reason you automatically assume that they're armed, despite all the evidence to the contrary, is because they're black.

              •  I assume its possible because they are violent (0+ / 0-)

                Firstly they did not need a weapon against the young lady with two against one the second person was enough to overpower her. With others stepping in   the perps may have felt they would be overpowered thus needing an extra edge with a weapon.
                Police always assume someone possibly is armed  when they are or have just commited a violent act. There is a reason for that. Why should Mcdonalds employees have knowledge greater than police to distinguish who may or may not be armed?

                "I can't help but wonder if the reason you automatically assume that they're armed, despite all the evidence to the contrary, is because they're black"
                That quote says more about your wonderings than my assumptions.

        •  Why are you assuming all the employee's were (0+ / 0-)

          under 18?

          Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

          by Sirenus on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 03:57:36 AM PDT

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          •  assuming enough employees are under (0+ / 0-)

            twenty years of age that should not be responsible for security, highlighting the overreaction of having all employees prove their innocence instead of an investigation of what went on to figure out which employees were unprofessional or negligent. We dont need more innocent victims. My best wishes to the young lady. truly unwarrented uncalled for violence upon her and hopefully the perps will comprehend their inhuman behavior instead of just serving their time in jail.

    •  adding That had I been one of the (2+ / 0-)
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      employees I feel I would be moraly responsible to stop the violence.  On the otherhand if one of the employees was a 17 year old mother of an infant child her moral obligation is to her child and to stay out of harms way.

    •  There were adults present, but apparently... (4+ / 0-)
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      no grown-ups.

      I agree, slightly built teenagers shouldn't get involved in something like that. The women involved appeared to be solidly built, but in no way a match for an adult male.

      I have said before that if I were security on duty, all of those women would have found themselves unconscious and in zip-ties. I am amazed that a late night joint like McDs didn't have security.

      'If you want to be a hero, well just follow me.' - J. Lennon

      by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 12:42:12 AM PDT

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    •  Hand over the money? Yes. Always. (2+ / 0-)
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      Stand by and do next to nothing while a helpless person is beaten and kicked? No.

      As for the second part of your comment, it was pretty obvious that the assailants weren't armed. Otherwise the trans woman would have been knifed or shot.

      And if my 17 year old nephew had been one of those employees, I would have been angry with him had he not helped. If four of five employees had simply gotten between those women and their victim, they would have stopped. It only took one elderly lady, with a sense of decency and some guts, to do it.  

      Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

      by Sirenus on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 03:49:56 AM PDT

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      •  You assume that because they have (0+ / 0-)

        not used a weapon,  that they do not have a weapon?
         If the authority figure (or manager)has instructed them to not get involved unbeknownst to the viewers of the video, might explain why employees did not get involved.
          Girls may have been girlfriends of an employee and known as violent troublemakers or even gang members.
         Many scenarios possible as to why no one stepped up.
         with that said its is very sad that security at this location was absent Where was the management and if the guy in the blue shirt was management why did he not handle it better.
        Disurbing That one can not be safe in a restaurant that caters to young children, That the employees behaved in such an uncaring manner, and management was completely incompetent to ensure safety.

  •  Story was that this employee warned the (3+ / 0-)

    woman not to use the bathroom.

    One wonders how complicit he was in the attack.  

  •  Seems to be a job requirement at McD's to (4+ / 0-)

    stop violent acts in the store.  All employees?  The frail cashier?  The older person?  How about the big brawny guy? No, he is a pacifist . How about the mother or father that can't afford to get possibly injured.  Since workers compensation is so great and the big corporations so understanding maybe them. Which ones? How much force?  Give them pepper spray? Tasers?  Or just let them punch in the face until the person stops moving?  They going to use their McCuff's to restrain them? No, the only employees that should intercede in violence is a person trained in security work. Last time I looked a cashier's job description didn't include being able to stop violent acts.  

    Preemptive war is like committing suicide for fear of death

    by thestructureguy on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 09:10:14 PM PDT

  •  I suspect liability management. (2+ / 0-)
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    by potatohead on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 09:10:56 PM PDT

  •  smoking gun purports to show (3+ / 0-)
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    screencaps of postings by employee who filmed and posted video

    As seen above, in a Facebook posting, Hackett contended that the woman seen getting beaten in the video was actually a man "dressed lik a woman" who got into a confrontation with female patrons when he refused to leave the women’s bathroom at the Baltimore-area eatery. Hackett claimed that the victim faked a seizure and, when cops arrived at the restaurant, “he got right up.”

    In other Facebook messages sent Friday by Hackett (see below), he acknowledged filming the fight, denied the victim was transgendered, and claimed he had “No Hate For Anybody…No Matter Tha Gender/Race Or Sexual Preference.” Hackett exchanged messages with Facebook users who wrote him to express anger about the video and his gleeful play-by-play.

  •  To all the vigilantes. (5+ / 0-)
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    Those who insist the workers should have physically intervened.

    Please post your own stories about how you yourself have jumped into the middle of a violent crime, risking your own life to intervene and stop the crime.


    •  You share first! (18+ / 0-)

      Tell us about the time you laughed uproariously while watching someone on the ground get kicked in the head.

      It is better to marry than to be tortured continually with ungratified desire. 1 Corinthians 7:9

      by Scott Wooledge on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 09:43:45 PM PDT

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    •  I was a restaurant manager (14+ / 0-)

      for one year between college and my MA program. One night, during the night shift, a fight erupted between two women in the lobby. I restrained one and another employee restrained the other.

      I'm gay and I'm pissed. I'm not giving up, I'm not giving in, I'm not backing down, and I'm not going away. I'm one of the Angry Gays. Deal with it.

      by psychodrew on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 10:15:08 PM PDT

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    •  I tried to break up a fight between... (7+ / 0-)

      ...two limo drivers at Newark airport.  They were out of their cars and starting to shove each other around with traffic backed up behind them honking.  One driver was being way more belligerent than the other and looked ready to start throwing punches.  I was waiting for a shuttle bus nearby.  I started yelling at them both to get back in their cars.  I got in between them and put my backpack in front of me facing the belligerent driver.  That made him back off and they both got back in their cars and drove off with just a few more shouts and honks.

      Maybe it was stupid, but I had a feeling that the less belligerent driver was about to get the sh!t beat out of him and I didn't want to see it happen.

    •  There were at least two men present, (9+ / 0-)

      one of whom was the prick filming the video. While it's theoretically possible that the two of them might have been "risking their lives" to intervene and stop these two women from assaulting the victim, I would wager an educated guess that it's highly unlikely they would have received anything worse than superficial injuries. Now, if we were talking about two huge guys assaulting someone, I could understand their not physically intervening. But in this case, sorry, but I'm not buying the idea that they would have been risking anything by intervening.

      Oh, and since I suppose I need to present a story of my own in order to validate my words in your eyes, I've intervened in a few fights in my time where women were involved, and a few where men were involved as well, and I seriously doubt that my life was in jeopardy in any of those cases, or that I got anything worse than a few scratches, and one ruined Metallica T-shirt (which I'm still pissed about).

      AKA Big Tex *** If Barack Obama is the only adult in the room, then it must be his fault that the drapes are on fire and the cat's been shaved.

      by Maikeru Ronin on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 10:25:18 PM PDT

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      •  Extra large soda cup filled with water... (5+ / 0-)
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        ...thrown from a distance to avoid any punches.  At the very least it might have distracted the attackers and allowed the victim to get out of reach.  That's what I thought when I first heard about this yesterday.  That's all it might have taken to break this up before the victim got seriously injured.

        Sorry to hear about your Metallica t-shirt.

      •  Never heard of a knife? (0+ / 0-)

        Or a gun?


        "Now, if we were talking about two huge guys assaulting someone, I could understand their not physically intervening."

        What we're talking about is a situation where two violent criminals assaulted a lone victim. Not a fight but an attack. How the hell would anyone know if they were armed or members of a gang with other gang members waiting nearby ready to intervene.

        This was not a case of mutual combat between two idiots but a case of a coordinated, criminal attack by two violent criminals.

        Tell me the story where you intervened in that situation.

        •  Yes, for all we know (3+ / 0-)
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          there were a few Crips crouched underneath one of the tables, just waiting to spring out in case a McDonald's employee decided to do something besides point, laugh, film the shit, and encourage the assailants to flee before the police got there.

          Are you giving any thought to the lame rationalizations that you're coming up with before you post them? There were no weapons, just two women kicking the shit out of another woman.

          AKA Big Tex *** If Barack Obama is the only adult in the room, then it must be his fault that the drapes are on fire and the cat's been shaved.

          by Maikeru Ronin on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 10:50:28 PM PDT

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          •  Never said Crips. (0+ / 0-)

            I said gang. And there's no way anyone could know if they were part of a gang with other gang members present or nearby, tables and crouching aside.

            There is gang activity in Baltimore and a coordinated physical assault by two or more assailants is gang behavior so why is it so hard to believe someone there could be intimidated by the presumption of gang activity.

            I haven't made any kind of "rationalizations". I'm asking questions and it's making the Macho Men nervous.

            How did you know there were no weapons while the attack was occurring?

            •  If they had weapons, (3+ / 0-)
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              they sure as hell didn't draw them on the guy who sort of half-assed intervened at the beginning of the assault. They didn't draw them on the older woman who intervened later in the video. Where were they? As for this nonsense about "coordinated physical assault," and the idea that it indicates possible gang affiliation, I can only assume that you're never witnessed a fight where two people were ganging up on one person. I wonder if you aren't reading more into the fact that they're black than you should be.

              AKA Big Tex *** If Barack Obama is the only adult in the room, then it must be his fault that the drapes are on fire and the cat's been shaved.

              by Maikeru Ronin on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 11:47:59 PM PDT

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              •  I asked you... (0+ / 0-)

       you knew there were no weapons, while the attack was occurring.

                Not afterward. While the attack was occurring. Please answer that. It's crucial.

                I have seen two people gang up on one person. That's not a fight. It's an assault. Mutual combat is a fight. Two people attacking one person is not mutual combat. "Gang up" by it's very existence implies 'gang'. Think about it.

                Who is black?

                •  LOL, "Gang up" implies "gang." (3+ / 0-)
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                  And by that logic, when somebody "fucks up" something, it implies that they've had sex with it.

                  These two statements:

                  I have seen two people gang up on one person.


                  Who is black?

                  ...don't belong together. Because if you have seen the video of these two ganging up on the one person, then you already know that the two assailants are black. And if you need to ask which parties in the video are black, then you haven't seen the video and thus have absolutely no business engaging in wild speculation about whether the assailants are gang-affiliated or not.

                  Personally, I think you have seen the video. And I think what's implying "gang" to you is the skin color of the assailants, which is pretty troubling. I watched the video and saw nothing that would have led me to believe that either woman was a gang member or affiliated with gang(s). And I've seen two people gang up on one person too, and in none of the cases that I can recall were there any gang members involved. What you seem to be doing is attempting to rationalize your own reaction to the color of the assailants.

                  AKA Big Tex *** If Barack Obama is the only adult in the room, then it must be his fault that the drapes are on fire and the cat's been shaved.

                  by Maikeru Ronin on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 01:01:54 AM PDT

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                  •  When did I engage.. (0+ / 0-)

           any kind of speculation? Please provide examples.

                    You really don't see the link between "gang up" and 'gang'? F*cking seriously? Is English just a hobby for you?

                    Please answer the question: How did you know there were no weapons while the attack was occurring?

                    "What you seem to be doing is attempting to rationalize your own reaction to the color of the assailants."

                    What you seem to be doing is attempting to divert attention from your own engaging in speculation.

                    "...and saw nothing that would have led me to believe that either woman was a gang member or affiliated with gang(s)"

                    How would you know? Please give examples.

                    •  I see the link (1+ / 0-)
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                      between the phrase "gang up" and the word "gang." I just don't see how that justifies the ridiculous leap you're making, that because two people ganged up on one person in a fight, that somehow implies that they're affiliated with a criminal organization. The fact that I'm unwilling to make this leap with you in no way implies an inability on my part to understand English. Rather, it implies that you've never witnessed a fight before in your life.

                      Where did you engage in speculation? Oh, I don't know, maybe it was the part where you said that someone intervening in this fight would have been "risking their lives" to do so. Or when you referred to the people who are pissed off because the employees didn't intervene as vigilantes. Or the part where you asked, "How the hell would anyone know if they were armed or members of a gang with other gang members waiting nearby ready to intervene?" Like that's not blatant speculation.

                      Perhaps you should brush up on your own English, because I didn't say that I had a way of knowing before the fact that neither of the assailants had weapons, or that neither of them was a gang member. I said that I saw no reason to assume it. You're accusing me of speculation while at the same time being critical of me for not indulging in the sort of speculation that might have led me to wonder if these women had weapons stashed on them somewhere, or might have been gang members.

                      AKA Big Tex *** If Barack Obama is the only adult in the room, then it must be his fault that the drapes are on fire and the cat's been shaved.

                      by Maikeru Ronin on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 02:12:34 AM PDT

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                    •  Obvious troll is obvious (2+ / 0-)
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                      So soon you are with us and so soon you seek division, why don't you try getting to know people before you post such hostile comments, you've only been here a week or so.

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                      by Drewid on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 04:11:24 AM PDT

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                •  You are just incredible. (1+ / 0-)
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                  I can see you now, sitting at a booth while this woman is getting beaten to a pulp. "Now, does this fit the definition of an assault? Do two assailants constitute a gang?  There are two people attacking and one person being attacked, so this can't not be described as mutual combat..."

                  You are beyond words. Just beyond words.  

                  Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

                  by Sirenus on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 05:16:01 AM PDT

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        •  Did you watch the video? (1+ / 0-)
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          These weren't Al Capone's boys armed with Tommy guns.

          These were two women. They would hit, kick, walk off, return to hit again. If they'd had a gun or a knife, you don't think they'd have used them?

          Come on! Excuse after excuse after excuse. Hey, maybe they were carrying grenades? Have we thought of that? Hey, maybe they had AIDS and we'd die if they bit us?  

          Hey, why not admit that you are the kind of person who would just stand by and watch someone get hurt?

          What would I have done?  First, scream "The police here! They're here!"  I have no wish to physically tangle with people like this and if that would get then to run, good! But if that hadn't worked, I'd have whacked them with my purse and then dodged behind the nearest booth, picked up a chair and tried to get between them and the victim and use the chair as a barrier, thrown my soft drink at them....something! And then been ready to run like hell if they came after me. Anything to get them off the victim.  

          Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

          by Sirenus on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 05:11:44 AM PDT

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    •  You got it. (3+ / 0-)
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      Driving through town one day I spotted a large douche bag out of his pick up truck getting physical with a small guy who was riding a bicycle. I pulled over and walked back to where the incident was taking place. Pick up truck clown was enjoying the fact that the poor bastard on the bike was scared to death and had just gone about the business of starting to shove him around. Long story short: One clown on his ass on the sidewalk, one grateful bicyclist riding very quickly away.

      Am I a bad ass or do I make a habit of intervening in such situations? Nope. Just don't piss me off by picking on someone smaller than yourself (and enjoying it).

      By the way there were several onlookers at a convenience store doing nothing to help the victim. Real manly types. Meh.

      Baja Arizona Libre!

      by GANJA on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 11:14:14 PM PDT

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      •  P.S.: Want another one? (2+ / 0-)
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        Long time ago around 1980 or so I went to visit a friend of mine. On entering her house I saw her sitting on the bed looking very anxious and some greasy dick head i didn't recognize sitting at a kitchen chair. I asked her what the matter was and she said that the guy was there trying to collect drug money or some such shit. I looked over at the guy and he showed me he had a handgun in his lap. Bad fucking idea. I shocked the stupid bastard by immediately walking over to where he was sitting and slapping him across the head. He was so stunned (I guess he thought I'd be impressed) that I simply took the gun from him and proceeded to use it to punch his head in. His fault for threatening my friend.

        Baja Arizona Libre!

        by GANJA on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 11:26:15 PM PDT

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    •  I arrested a man stealing my 'aunt's" (1+ / 0-)
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      car in the middle of the night. My weapon was a book bag and a bad attitude. I didn't hurt him, just scared him (and he was larger than I was) and held him until police arrived.

      Now, I'm just an EMT.

      I'm not anti-nuke, I'm anti-bullshit.

      by 2dimeshift on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 01:21:08 AM PDT

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      •  I helped break up a fight between two (1+ / 0-)
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        college football lineman

        I grabbed on around the ears and pressed my thumbs into his eyes and told him to knock it off if he wanted to see again. The threat an the pain brought him down in a big hurry. (He was thrashing a room full of people trying to fight his big opponent so there was a lot of collateral damage, the girl I was with received a concussion when her head got bounced of a concrete wall.)

        After that some pulled a knife and we were told the cops were on the way so the party got over really fast.

        I have a bunch of other experiences but it's late and this is a silly exercise.

        I'm not anti-nuke, I'm anti-bullshit.

        by 2dimeshift on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 01:26:52 AM PDT

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    •  Long long ago (1+ / 0-)
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      I worked at a McCdee's, as well as my mother and my two sisters, my brother in law's brother and a few friends of mine. While I can say without a doubt that should someone brandish a firearm the official policy of McCdee's is do whatever, comply, get them on their way (trust me I know, my mother was robbed at gun point with others of the aforementioned above working at the time) I don't remember any policy of non engagement IRT physical altercations.  In fact I am pretty positive job or not, my sisters, myself, my mother and my friends would have all intervened in some way to disrupt such an attack. The first words out of my mouth would have been "The cops are coming,"  as a means to end the assault (done that a few times, other jobs, other situations) rather then way later after I got all the great footage. Maybee things have changed, maybee McCdees's does have a clear stand off policy, that doesn't make this situation acceptable.

      Dailykos is Dead... Long live Dailykos!

      by Drewid on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 03:54:32 AM PDT

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    •  And years later (4+ / 0-)
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      multiple times I have pulled attackers off of their targets while saying "Cops are coming" as a means to end the attack rather than a heads up to the attackers. The fact that at the very end of the video someone says "cops are coming" disturbs me because it should have been said 10 minutes before that, by the manager.

      Dailykos is Dead... Long live Dailykos!

      by Drewid on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 04:19:29 AM PDT

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    •  Risking your own life? (7+ / 0-)

      Okay, here you go.

      I'm a woman, about 5'9". When I was about 20, I lived in a little apartment complex in Hawaii. For a rent cut, I watered the courtyard garden, swept out the laundry room and brought in the trash each week.

      A new tenant showed up, a woman perhaps 5'10 and a good thirty pounds heavier than me.  The moment I meet her, she seemed a bit off to me.

      I was right. The woman was literally insane, unless she was on her meds. And she was rarely on her meds.

      But I didn't know that at first. Tenants, many of them elderly, started telling me that she was creeping the out a little, always knocking at  their doors and asking to come in.  You can't call the police for that. I advised them to keep their doors locked.

       On one night, I got a call from such a tenant. "Ruth" was on the third floor walkway, yelling pounding on her door, demanding to be let in. The tenant was terrified. But "Ruth" wasn't stupid; if I'd called the police she'd simply have shrugged and said she'd just knocked on the door. And the tenant didn't want me to call the police.

      So I went up there. The outside walkway wall was not high, and I am not stupid. I took a hammer with me.

      From about ten feet away, I told Ruth to go back to her own apartment.  She saw the hammer and grinned and started towards me. "Whatcha gonna do with that? Hit me?"

      "Go back to your own apartment."

      "Gonna hit me with that?" She was coming on the inside of the walkway. Since I knew she could easily shove me over the wall, I said: "I will do whatever I have to do."

      I meant it. She knew I meant it. She passed me, slowly, grinning and went downstairs.

      The next day, I was watering the courtyard garden. Potted plants started sailing over the third floor wall. Ruth. I  knew she wanted a confrontation, so I ignored this. Then my water died. I went around the corner and the hose, by the faucet, had beenn slashed, which meant she had either a knife or a pair of scissors. Deadly weapons. Enough to justify calling the police.

      I went to a first floor apartment and asked the tenants to let me in so I could make the call.  While we were waiting, the elderly tenant who lived in the third floor drove up. Ruth ran out and tried to get into the car. The tenant got it locked just in time

      Ruth then began screaming at her and pounding on the doors and windows, really smashing at them. The tenant was not in good health; she literally looked as though she was about to have a heart attack.

      I ran to the laundry room and got a broom. Ruth saw me coming.  "You going to hit me with that broom? Huh?" I turned the broom so that the handle was towards her, since hitting her with the straw end would be worse than useless. She screamed and danced and pounded, while I kept telling her to get into her apartment. She knew I meant it. She knew that if she tried anything, she'd get that broom handle jabbed into her belly. She looked a number of times as though she might come at me, but she always backed off.  After three or four minutes, she went into her apartment and I got the tenant out of her car and into the other tenants' apartment.

      The police showed up about five minutes later. It took two of them to drag Ruth out from under her bed and get her into the police car.  

      It was later that I found out she was a psychotic. Like I said, she gave me that feeling when I first met her. But you can't call the police on a feeling, only on overt acts.

      I had no wish to go out there, armed with nothing more than a broom,  and deal with a woman who could have easily beat me senseless especially since, for all I knew, she  still had the knife or the scissors.

      But I also couldn't let an elderly woman remain in danger. Not if I could do anything to help.

      Would I have done the same thing if she'd had a gun? No, I'm not suicidal. But there were no guns involved in this attack at McDonald's, were there?

      Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

      by Sirenus on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 04:41:22 AM PDT

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    •  I got between a woman and her boyfriend... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...who was threatening her with a knife.  I talked the boyfriend down a bit and then disarmed him.


  •  At one of my former jobs... (6+ / 0-)

    I was coached never to physically touch any customers, especially when a crime is taking place.  I once followed a shoplifter and he turned on me with a knife.  I stopped following him.  An employee can be fired for getting involved in a fight, even if the intent is to stop it.

    Clearly, though, laughing at this incident or doing nothing at all is unacceptable.  911 should be called and the assailants should be told to stop and that the police are on their way.  I can't blame anyone, though, for not physically intervening on behalf of the victim.  It's hard to say what I would have done in this circumstance.

    Filming this assault is not necessarily a bad thing.  But it should be done for evidence and not for entertainment.

    Even so, I haven't watched the video.  I don't think I could stomach it.

    Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you ~ C.G. Jung

    by JClarkPDX on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 09:27:55 PM PDT

  •  I'm not sure it is reasonable (2+ / 0-)
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    to expect some minimum wage employee without health insurance to step into a beating. Discrete filming is good as it can aid prosecution. Of course the tape should be shared with the police, not published online. That error in judgement alone is plenty of reason to fire the employee.

    Helping the attacker would be criminal. It is possible that he started yelling the cops are coming to try to get the attacker to stop and run. The first thing to do is stop the attack, justice is very important but secondary to protection of life.

    The failure to nail currant jelly to a wall is not due to the nail; it is due to the currant jelly. Theodore Roosevelt

    by notrouble on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 09:40:24 PM PDT

  •  Can't ask employees to intervene in violence. (0+ / 0-)

    The employee was fired for recording the truth is the hard fact. The owners only concern was having it happen in their store and showing it happen and hurting their business.

    You can't ask employees to physically intervene in violence in the business.  Job is call the police and record it for police records is the best one can ask.

    Take the perpetrators picture and tell them you've called the police and they are on the way. Scare them off.

    Employee did the right thing.

    •  If you had actually watched the video... (2+ / 0-)
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      amk for obama, jayden'd hardly be attaching 'did the right thing' to the piece of shit McDonald's employee who did the videotaping (not because he was concerned about collecting evidence, but apparently because he found it entertaining) and who aided and abetted the savages in their attack by advising them to escape before getting caught by the police.  

      So why don't you kindly STFU before you go around praising pieces of shit like Vernon Hackett?  

      •  Unfortunately, many people (0+ / 0-)

        can't be bothered to even click the links in diaries to read the full news story and will only rely on the short quotes given.  Watching the video or reading other diaries on the subject, even if links are given, is apparently just too much trouble.

  •  What about the apparent presence of a manager? (0+ / 0-)

    Why is all the hostility aimed at the employee making the video? The manager should have kept the attackers from returning after they left, but he did not try to do so, even after they had returned once and left again. He should have been telling people to call the police. I didn't hear him do so.

    The motives of the employee are questionable, but he was not in charge. His actions were reprehensible, but he was not alone by any means.

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