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Shall we have democracy-in-a-box or democrats governing?  All of us sharing the obligations of citizenship will make light work of it.

It's long been my ambition to have politics (serving the interests of the public) as popular as baseball.

But, that doesn't mean the people we elect to represent us and look after our assets are entered in a popularity contest.  While it's true you can never know how someone works out ahead of time, "qualified" agents need to be picked on the basis of practical talents.  Being able to repeat talking points like a parrot is not a practical talent.  Being able to extort contributions by postulating threats isn't either.

Shared Responsibility and Shared Prosperity are good themes.

I think I'd prefer Shared Obligations.  That will stick it to the anti-socials.

I don't, btw, share the concern about the debt.  But, since conservatives are looking to lend and collect a premium off of whatever our public corporations spend, taking their "concerns" at face value is calling their bluff.  The money bags are being put on notice that their "cut" of the national debt is not going to grow and, if they want to get rich, they're going to have to work for it.  

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  •  Tip Jar (3+ / 0-)
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    Pluto, johanus, shaharazade

    by hannah on Mon Apr 25, 2011 at 01:39:08 PM PDT

  •  Could you explain these a little (1+ / 0-)
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    ...more thoroughly:

    But, since conservatives are looking to lend and collect a premium off of whatever our public corporations spend, taking their "concerns" at face value is calling their bluff.  

    The money bags are being put on notice that their "cut" of the national debt is not going to grow and, if they want to get rich, they're going to have to work for it.

    Does the first refer to Wall Street?
    Does the second refer to ownership of Treasuries?
    Or, am I thinking too small?

    •  Hey I just want them (0+ / 0-)

      all fucking gone daddy gone at this point. I'm sick of which brand of poison won't quite kill you dead. ' Pleased to meet you hope you guessed my name. but what puzzling you is the nature of my game'.  Irrelevant  as these dude are now dead or filthy rich off their followings. when after all it was me and you. think big time evil and you got it.

      •  Heh. (4+ / 0-)

        The Diarist is a complex thinker, and tends to package a lot of data in a little space. So, I'm curious.

        I guessed your name ;-)

        •  I love this diarist (1+ / 0-)
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          as I love your writing dear Pluto.Today I look and I cannot even begin to assimilate the absolute pointlessness of fighting over the degrees of who is worse. Perhaps I should take a time out . lol. After all children need to take time out because they just can't grasp the reality presented.The pure nastiness of the choices given just blow me away. So sorry both you and Hannah are the wrong ones to target with my rage at the presented reality.

           So strange the field of engagement is just an agreed fiction, one that leaves most of us as collateral damage enraged with no real place to hang it. Could be worse and probably will be.sorry to let it rip here but I guess hannah makes me feel safe as she does not shine me on and always leaves room for interpretations that are not top down driven.  Too bad people like me have hit the wall where we just frankly don't give a damn. (politically speaking)  Ceilings that should just fall down or be ripped out and let some feakin light air and light in. It's only castles burning.

          •  shaharazade (1+ / 0-)
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            I didn't even notice you were disturbed, my friend.

            I though you were being funny, and indeed I laughed.

            I hope you realize that your feelings are entirely appropriate. I can't believe so many here are keeping the lid on, when in the very air around us there are psychic alarms ringing to the high heavens.

            My salvation is only that I've been planning on this for awhile. Also, I have a glimpse into the future -- which doesn't make me happy but a bit less anxious.

            Take care.

            •  thanks pluto (1+ / 0-)
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              it's people like you and hannah who keep me going.I'm okay I too see the future is just so frustrating to see us all run in circles. I know somewhere deep down people can and do have power it's just so hard to watch them try and keep hope and belief alive for a dead horse. Think I will just sit this one out.

    •  You will recall that the last time (1+ / 0-)
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      Democrats were persuaded to be concerned about a balanced budget, when a modest surplus was actually achieved, there was much consternation on Wall Street and Bush/Cheney rode to the rescue by reversing the trend.  Really, the only logical conclusion from that little drama is that the national deficit is only a concern when our financial leisure class can't earn an adequate secure profit off it.  Interest rates have been too low for their comfort for some time.  So, consistent with the thinking that when there's less of something it will be more valuable, there's been an effort to constrain the money supply and that accounts, IMHO, for the $2 trillion + that's now being hoarded in the form of cash.  Some people are hoping that, if they wait long enough, the scarcity of money will make it necessary to raise interest rates and they'll recoup whatever their hoarding has cost.  Then too, the sense of power that comes from making the economy crash is worth something.
      It's my sense that the agreement to reduce the deficit is a gambit to let the money hoarders know that their hoarding is not going to be rewarded with higher interest rates.
      Besides, we can also address the dearth of currency by making what we have move around more quickly and we can do that best by leaving more money in the hands of people who spend.
      Lending is good, if you're into power.  If you're into dealing fairly with your community, spending is good.

      by hannah on Mon Apr 25, 2011 at 03:49:19 PM PDT

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      •  Ooohhhh! Thanks hannah. (0+ / 0-)

        Take a look at my think tank summary this month and tell me what you think of it, if you will:

        •  Well, I'm generally not into prognostication. (1+ / 0-)
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          But, the value of currency depends on the probity of the people who issue and distribute it and the credibility of the people who use it.  Money is a token and, like the symbols we use in writing has no intrinsic value.  However, we've got a long tradition of people wanting to believe otherwise.  They're holding on rather tenaciously to a belief that was valid when currency was made out of gold and silver, relatively precious metals, and hoarding made sense, much as accumulating aluminum cans or scrap metal does today.
          American credibility depends, to a large extent, on whether or not we keep our word.  I think President Obama keeping our word to withdraw troops from the Middle East has been critical.  It not only encouraged the peoples of the Middle East to take governing into their own hands, but now we have the spectacle of the U.S. being invited to intervene in Libya.  Whatever the original intent, the U.S. being willing to withdraw is highly significant.  Besides, it seems to have put the kabosh on the Eurozoning of the Eastern Mediterranean, a response to Bush's Greater Middle East initiative that he announced in 2004.

          The demise of the U.S. is grossly exaggerated.

          by hannah on Tue Apr 26, 2011 at 12:49:57 AM PDT

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  •  shared what? (0+ / 0-)

    there is no sharing there is thugs running amok with their degrees of nastiness, that we get to vote on. what a choice.  No thanks hannah, the debt, the wars, the profit for the race to the top while the earth burns is so insane I reject it all.  What's the point of haggling over the degrees of our powerlessness.

     So much for the life of the mind, this mind anyway the one that kills and calls it growth or compromise oe better then. What the fuck are we growing? Nothing that makes any sense. None of this makes sense it's just a mind fuck of delusion. Too bad but at this point it's how many devils can you fit on the head of a pin. A lot apparently if you recycle them as debits or races to the top or winning the future for greed and misery. a pox on them all. None of them know what this is worth.... I'm done fighting for could be worse of course it could but at what point do you stop trying to mitigate the inevitable that always lurks in our collective nightmares.


    •  We are going to share in the effort (1+ / 0-)
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      to wrest power from our traditional ruling elite and their minions in Congress.  We are going to pick our agents of government and not wait until they are presented to us as either/or celebrities in a popularity contest.

      2010 was a concerted backlash to 2006 and 2008 and a reminder that democracy is never a done deal.  Democracy, managing the national household, is a job that's never done.  It's also like cleaning toilets.  But, if everybody takes a turn, it's not so onerous.

      What's shameful is that the people we hire to do some of the dirty work have the idea that it's their prerogative to coerce us with threats and bribes.  If there's one thing I've had absolutely enough of it's messages from the DCCC and the DSCC that, if we don't send them money, conservatives are going to screw up.  How is that different from the Mafia boss promising to send his goons to collect?

      But then, if you ask whose power is threatened when the people determine to take the reins of government, it makes sense.  It's not the lowly bureaucratic bean counter whose life will change.  No, it's the law-makers whom we expect to take orders, instead of them telling the people what to do.

      There are just too many secular preachers on Capitol Hill, moralizing in the name of the nation, instead of a deity.

      In the name of the nation, and of the dollar and of the rule of law let us subjugate the rabble.

      Wrath is one of the seven deadly sins, but not when there's a good reason.  Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple; we need to dislodge the crooks from Capitol Hill.

      by hannah on Mon Apr 25, 2011 at 04:11:14 PM PDT

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