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I guess we're gonna have to blame the gay, pot-smoking Guatamalens for this one.
Cannabis was already decriminalized for personal use. Seeing as how the sky did not fall on the country, the Uruguay govt decided that some more common-sense wouldn't hurt, and legalized home cultivation of cannabis plants. [The next step will be setting up a regulated commercial market.]

There are not any English-language articles out yet on this breaking story, but I'll update with them as soon as they come in.

In the meantime, there is the 'translate' button.

http://kannabia.org/...

http://www.elargentino.com/...

Here is an article I found from a couple months ago. The slogan of the pro-cannabis protesters is very similar to the premise of my recent diary --Obama, Rep Weiner: Fear Ye Not the Plants

On Thursday, demonstrators at the Supreme Court in Montevideo protested the criminalization of marijuana possession. Under the slogan, “No más presos por plantar" (No more prisoners for plants) supporters of the Movement for the Liberation of Cannabis protested the arrest of an Uruguayan artisan and of Alicia Castilla, the Argentine author of  Cultura cannabis. Both were arrested for being in possession of marijuana in their residencies.

A memorandum addressed to the Supreme Court by the movement’s supporters argued that the ambiguity of Law 14.294, which punishes narco-traffic and prohibits the cultivation of cannabis but exempts those that hold a “reasonable amount exclusively for personal consumption” is the term in question as to who decides the amount and the reason for possession.

In late 2010 Congressman Luis Alberto Aparicio Alejando Lacalle Pou submitted a bill to Parliament to decriminalize the cultivation and harvesting of marijuana for personal consumption. “My generation lived and lives with drugs, unlike our parents or grandparents, so it isn’t a taboo subject,” Pou told AFP.  He added that "Uruguay’s narcotics law is completely contradictory.”


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update:
Yesterday, the Feds went after voter-approved medical marijuana suppliers in Washington.

update x2: over decade ago, Uruguay's President was 1st ever to call for end to drug war.

He also urged the assembled heads of state to "stop playing games, take a deep look and start seriously confronting the drug problem. But even if I'm wrong, why is there such a fear of asking ourselves this question?"

Ten days later in Mexico City, Batlle went even farther. According to El Observador, he pointed at the root of the problem. "The day that it is legalized in the United States, it will lose value, and if it loses value, there will be no profit. But as long as the US citizenry doesn't rise up to do something, they will pass this life fighting and fighting."

Again, Batlle's position appeared driven by concern about Plan Colombia. "You have to think about the origin of the thing," he argued. "Basically, where is this consumed? A minimum of 50 percent is consumed in the United States. It seems fine with me that my friend Pastrana (the Colombian president) tries to improve education, health and roads... but this doesn't resolve the problem."

He also compared today's drug wars to alcohol Prohibition, and predicted that the current stalemate will end "on the day that the consumers announce that this cannot be fixed by any other manner than changing this situation in the same way that was done with the 'Dry Laws.'"

And, Batlle told El Observador, he had personally pitched the idea of legalization to President Clinton. Batlle did not report on Clinton's response.

The 72-year-old Batlle won the presidency this year as head of the conservative Colorado Party, which defeated a coalition of centrist and left parties.

Not only was this progressive change bi-partisan, but the conservative party's proposal would have allowed unlimited number of plants grown, as opposed to just 8.

One proposal, supported by the ruling, asking decriminalize marijuana and 25 grams particular crop enable up to eight marijuana plants. Another proposal, the conservative National Party, wants to legalize the cultivation without limits and increases penalties up to 30 years imprisonment for trafficking any illegal substances.

The proposal prepared by the MPP, the Socialist Party and the New Area, which also has the support of Colorado Congressman Daniel Fernando Amado and Radio, Independent Party, is considered "a good first step" for the pro-legalization groups of marijuana, but not satisfying finish.

"It's an important first step. We agree that there is a need to solve a legal vacuum. But we also believe that the issue can not be exhausted here," said Martin Collins Uruguayan half of Prolegal, an organization working for change in legislation on drugs in Uruguay. Collazo added that "any person who does not want to plant at home is entitled to purchase in the legal market, as buying alcohol or snuff today." In that sense, he said, "must work towards the legalization of the production and marketing" of marijuana.

Despite minor differences in the projects of organizations, any objections will not be manifested against it because "there are a lot of people plant in their homes today, and runs the risk of being punished for that ... what in ultimately want is to solve this type of situation, "said Collazo.

[translated, any spanish speakers here could no doubt do better. My spanish is awful]

From other link:

The Frente Amplio (FA) agreed a draft law to regulate marijuana use. The new text is set between the Popular Movement for participation (MPP), the Socialist Party and the New Space (NE).
The initiative, to be approved Tuesday 26 April by the Deputies thwart FA, allows the tree plantation, cultivation and harvesting as well as the industrialization and trade up to eight cannabis plants per household.
Notwithstanding this, “be understood as quantity for personal consumption, to 25 grams of marijuana”, is set according to the Article 3 the bill that accedi The Pas.

So, it seems as if the government will be tasked with providing cannabis seeds to citizens who wish to grow at home. This is very similar to what Prop 19 would have done in California, save for the supplying of seeds.

Only Democrats in very, very conservative districts should be capitulating on the cannabis issue. The Democratic Governor in Montana isn't backing down right now to teabaggers who want to repeal MMJ laws. There's a Democrat in Maine right now who just introduced a bill to re-legalize cannabis. Democrats won every single stateside office in 2010 with Prop 19 on the ballot.

The only thing crazier or stupider than outlawing cannabis sativa for recreational use was outlawing industrial hemp for the myriad of uses that it provides.

Uruguay has also taken steps to remove that useless law.

Uruguay’s National Institute for Farming Technology will grow the test crop at a secret location in October. The country’s officials want to know how hemp varieties respond to Uruguay’s soil and the crop’s productive capacities. If the trial run is successful, the Uruguayan government might grant special growing permits to producers, which would make the country the first in South America to authorize hemp cultivation.

Hemp, a fast-growing, versatile crop that requires few to no herbicides to produce, is a superlative fiber for home textiles. If the trial is successful and leads to further hemp cultivation, it could mean a significant environmental change for Uruguay’s agriculture. Uruguay, along with Argentina, is a major producer of soy, which requires lots of fertilizers and herbicides to grow.

Although several U.S. states have passed pro-hemp legislation, it is still illegal to grow hemp here.

Read more: http://www.motherearthnews.com/...

Latest pieces:

CBS: Mexico may sue US gunmakers; US Fed Agencies Let Guns Go to Cartels (expanded x1)

The racism that drives the Drug War in America also is the culprit for the shocking indifference to this violence in Mexico.

Reuters: Analysis: Drugs war ignites Mexican fury at U.S. indifference

U.S. attempts to set traps for arms traffickers and money launderers have backfired and Washington has treated Mexico like a "laboratory" for experiments in law-enforcement strategies, former foreign minister Rosario Green wrote in a newspaper column recently.

U.S. officials counter such broadsides by saying Mexico has failed to address rampant corruption in the police and the judiciary, hampering efforts to improve on intelligence sharing.

The fight against the cartels will be under the spotlight again when U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton meets her Mexican counterpart Patricia Espinosa in Washington on Friday.

THIRD FRONT

Tensions over the conflict, which has claimed over 37,000 lives in Mexico in the past four years, boiled over last month when U.S. ambassador Carlos Pascual said he would step down after weeks of pressure from the Mexican government.

"That a Mexican president can pick off the U.S. ambassador is something new." said Jonathan Fox, a political scientist and Mexico expert at the University of California, Santa Cruz. "That does suggest the U.S. needed to throw Calderon a bone."

Mindful of its sovereignty, Mexico has resisted U.S. intervention on its turf, but Calderon insists Washington is not trying hard enough to fight demand for narcotics at home.

White House data shows U.S. federal spending on narcotics control dipped slightly last year to just over $15 billion, even as drug war deaths surged to a record high in Mexico. Texas Republican congressman Ted Poe refers to Mexico as the United States' "third front" after Afghanistan and Iraq.

If these guys want to have a war over drugs, the least we can do is get black-market marijuana $$ out of the picture.

I heard a troll once say "the United states of amsterdam". Sounds like a good idea to me--- http://www.dailykos.com/...

Some of the latest cannabis news.

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  •  In other news (30+ / 0-)

    drcnet.org is saying that Rep Jared Polis-D will be introducing legislation on the federal level.

    http://stopthedrugwar.org/...

    Whether it's ultimately successful or not, the pressure has to be applied.

    Prop 8 turned out to be a long, drawn-out battle.

    You can expect the same of cannabis, here in America, despite the public's support of it.

    witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

    by change the Be on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 01:21:50 PM PDT

    •  Polis (7+ / 0-)

      Jared Polis is my representative and I am proud that he is willing to take the lead on this issue. MMJ in Colorado has become an important business which a positive economic impact on the State. The war on some drugs is a complete failure and a breach of the Constitutional Rights of American Citizens, it is past time for this failed policy to end.

      "Without LOVE in the dream it will never come true..." -Hunter/Garcia

      by US Blues on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 02:04:16 PM PDT

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      •  LGBT, cannabis, net neutrality, immigration reform (9+ / 0-)

        these are under the umbrella of a campaign called the "Fearless Campaign" that Polis is working on.

        Pretty modernized and effective approach, I'd say.

        http://www.fearlesscampaign.com/...

        The Fearless Mission
        As elected officials, members of Congress face many pressures — from the special interests competing for every vote to the fierce partisans demanding loyalty over independence. Too often, decisions that should be made in our country’s best interests are based on short-term political calculations.

        The Fearless Campaign empowers politicians to take sometimes difficult stands on politically charged issues. We provide voters with timely and accurate information from Capitol Hill so they can effectively and efficiently lobby their representatives. And we encourage members of Congress to vote with their constituents in mind, regardless of the perceived political risks.

        Being Fearless is never easy. It requires moral courage and a solid grassroots backing. But by connecting advocates at the grassroots level with those in Congress who are standing up for progress, the Fearless Campaign will move our country forward.

        About the Campaign
        The Fearless Campaign is an effort launched from the halls of Congress to effectively coordinate fearless members of Congress with the passion of grassroots advocates to transform our country from the inside out. Through the Fearless Campaign, we will revolutionize our nation's approach to six issues where special interests have blocked progress for too long: drug policy, education, food policy, immigration, internet freedom and LGBT equality. This campaign was conceived by Congressman Jared Polis of Colorado. In his first term, Congressman Polis witnessed firsthand the disconnect between grassroots advocacy and the legislative process.

        Unlike high-powered lobbyists, voters frequently don’t have the capacity or access to track bills and politicians around the clock. With so much of today’s political deal-making taking place behind closed doors, advocates are often locked out of opportunities to influence legislation.

        Fearless in Action
        With this in mind, Congressman Polis sought to bridge the divide between grassroots advocates and policymaking during the healthcare debate, when he wrote a letter to Speaker Pelosi urging her to bring back consideration of the public option. Grassroots advocates got hold of the letter and used it as a tool to lobby their own representatives. This effort led to over a 120 members of the House and over 40 Senators signing onto a similar letter. And while we weren’t successful in saving the public option, we were successful in showing the power of grassroots when their efforts are effectively harnessed toward a tangible goal.

        Many members want to take fearless stances like supporting the public option but often they need to see the support before doing so - this was effectively done via the Polis-Pingree public option letter. The Fearless Campaign is setting out to prove it can be done again to move forward the agenda on education reform, immigration reform, LGBT rights, drug policy, food policy and internet freedom.

        Fearless Issues
        The Fearless Campaign harnesses the power of our country’s greatest strength  — its human capital — to rally around six key issues:

        Fixing our broken immigration policy.
        Fighting for LGBT rights.
        Strengthening education.
        Repealing the failed prohibition of marijuana.
        Removing special interests from our food policy.
        Ensuring that the Internet remains free, open, and neutral.

        witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

        by change the Be on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 02:10:30 PM PDT

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    •  verb tense amended in title (3+ / 0-)

      draft legislation has been agreed upon, and no partisan conflicts look to derail it from becoming law.

      technically speaking, however, the ink has not yet dried on the contract. Or if it did on tuesday, as the one article suggests, then I'll just await confirmation of it in upcoming articles.

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 02:07:05 PM PDT

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    •  Thanks for this news (5+ / 0-)

      Somebody has to be first if it's going to happen, and Uruguay is a really good place to start. Hope its neighbors Brazil and Argentina move in this same direction. I'd put my bet on Argentina.

      The Drug Enforcement Agency and its wholly-owned subsidiary, the State Department, always put enormous pressure on the hapless "Monroe Doctrine" countries when they try to get real about drugs. But far-away Uruguay doesn't really need US approval for much of anything; it quietly gets along all on its own.

      Argentina already sent a giant F.U. to the US banksters and their international representatives at the IMF and the Bank for International Settlements. Argentina's President dared to declare that the country could not and would not pay all of the enormous foreign debts run up by predecessors.

      The banksters and their friends in the US Government all predicted doom for the Argentines if they didn't do as they were told. Well, that could still happen one day, I guess, but so far, after 10 years or so, Argentina has been doing pretty well economically, with no "Shock" or "Crisis".

      So maybe Argentina will be ready to send the DEA and State another, well-deserved, F.U. about drug policy, and decide to have its own rules about marijuana, alcohol, nicotine, and other drugs.

    •  Oh yeah, the gay thing... (0+ / 0-)

      I think Libertarians have no doubt had a very negative effect in the gay movement, as they have had in the legalization movement, and also in anarchist and other milieus, especially in their weaseling injection of perverse bourgeois perspectives, and the way they play on and opportunize off of any such propensities permeating our society in general.

      But in specific, in the gay movement, and among some gay activists here on dkos, I have seen a whole lot of pretty harsh and absolutist, hyperbolic anti-Democratic rhetoric, posing as righteous indignation over "slow progress" on what have actually been the most historic and substantial advancements for gay rights by Any president, Evah...

      Which is not over yet, as the struggle continues, but just saying...

      Also, I see no mention of Libertarian (or gay) involvement in the Guatemalan legalization movement...indeed, the only explicit political reference I saw was that the left supports it...and maybe some, probably marginal, elements of the right?  

      Do the links perhaps go deeper into exactly who the participants and tendencies are, in Guatemala?  I haven't looked at those yet.

      Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

      by Radical def on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 02:52:46 PM PDT

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      •  Unintentional Comedy Gold (2+ / 0-)
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        go click on the guatamalen link and read it....you're gonna do a facepalm as soon as you do...

        witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

        by change the Be on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 03:37:43 PM PDT

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        •  Well, to whatever extent the gay community... (0+ / 0-)

          or Libertarians may be involved there, that does not change my position, regarding the insidious detrimental influence of Libertarians, whether they are gay or smoke pot, or not, heh.

          Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

          by Radical def on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 03:56:21 PM PDT

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        •  Oh, OK, lol...I remember that one... (0+ / 0-)

          That is kinda funny, in a dark ironic sort of way.

          But i don't think it's going to help the Libertarians, for all his despicable hypocritical gay and pot bashing...although I can see them touting the story, as some kind of vindication of the victimized, and "Libertarian" issues, heh.

          But any superficial issue-oriented support the Libertarians may glean from their weaseling infiltration of milieus that are, at heart, more or less diametrically opposed to everything they stand for, will fade quickly, as the implications of the profound political incorrectness of the tendency begin to sink in.

          Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

          by Radical def on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 04:17:10 PM PDT

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          •  I went easy on ya (0+ / 0-)

            on the mixup upthread about gay guatamalens....

            after all, this is dkos. not 4chan or reddit or your average internet forum.

            at those places, they'd rip you a new one and point while laughing.

            witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

            by change the Be on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 06:22:11 PM PDT

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            •  yes, this is dkos, a partisan Democratic blog... (0+ / 0-)

              ....and NOT 4chan, LOL!!!1

              Photobucket

              And what is it about that you don't get?

              Look, you keep inviting a response, and I've got lots of time on my hands, and feel chatty.

              But, oh well, maybe I'll just move on, having said what I have.

              I need an attitude adjustment...

              cat rollling

              Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

              by Radical def on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 06:52:40 PM PDT

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              •  is anyone reading this? (0+ / 0-)

                didn't think so.

                sigh

                lol's and embedded pictures

                looks like i AM on 4chan....

                fuckin A.

                witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

                by change the Be on Sat Apr 30, 2011 at 11:49:30 AM PDT

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                •  Actually, I have only briefly checked them out (0+ / 0-)

                  ...too gross for me, heh.

                  But the style, if not most of the content, does kinda appeal to me, which I guess is why it's going viral, pretty much.

                  Guess I'm more of a moralfag, as they call it.

                  I like graphics.

                  Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

                  by Radical def on Sat Apr 30, 2011 at 03:36:26 PM PDT

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    •  canada is looking good right now... (0+ / 0-)

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 07:08:14 PM PDT

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  •  It won't surprise me in the least (10+ / 0-)

    if the US is the last holdout in the Western hemisphere. They seem to have some weird quirk about admitting that they might be wrong. Even something as simple as hemp, which looks like a no-brainer, can't gain any traction.

    "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

    by sceptical observer on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 01:41:08 PM PDT

    •  I think progressive/moderate Majorities would (1+ / 0-)
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      ...deal with these issues, and the many others confronting us, much better than the present dictatorship of monopoly corporate fascist right wing pigs.

      Indeed, real Democratic Majorities, not rotten with Blue Dogs, would begin to virtually reverse both foreign and domestic policy in many significant regards, I think.

      Indeed, unless we achieve that plurality in 2012, the whole world is more or less screwed, for...who knows?  How long?  

      Forever?

      The ice caps are melting faster and faster.

      Bring the Better Democrats!

      All Out for 2012!

      Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

      by Radical def on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 06:59:24 PM PDT

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    •  "weird quirk" (1+ / 0-)
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      sceptical observer

      I'd call it more of a psycho-sexual-obseesive-passive-compulsive-Freudian derangement.

      A particularly nasty viral form of it, imported to the Americas on the Mayflower (probably on one of the mice on board, much the same way that Black Plague got around continents).

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Sat Apr 30, 2011 at 11:48:24 AM PDT

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  •  Is Jesus trying to send us a signal? (11+ / 0-)

    “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

    by 420 forever on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 01:41:08 PM PDT

  •  with any luck (6+ / 0-)

    the west coast will join them come november 2012. there's some very interesting stuff happening in mexico right now as well, that is being totally ignored by american media (and nearly all of the blogosphere as well).

  •  My mistake (2+ / 0-)
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    change the Be, bobsc

    I visited Uruguay about 10 years ago and loved the place, so I considered moving there when I took early retirement. But then I chickened out, thinking that my high school Spanish language abilities were too feeble.

    Not that I would be consuming any herb if I actually lived in Montevideo or on the beautiful coast. I had to put the weed down some time back. For my body there were, as with several other wonderful meds, the dreaded 'sexual side effects' from smoking marijuana.

    But it would be really nice to be living now in a sane, progressive, and peaceful country.

  •  Voter mobilization (4+ / 0-)

    I was surprised that Prop 19 didn't seem to do much in that department. What are your thoughts on that? I thought it would bring out a lot more young voters than it seemed to.

    •  well..... (2+ / 0-)
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      Karl Rover, bobsc

      an older version of me typed it up last year...

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      I'm probably a little bit dumber than I was last year, so there's no need in trying to disagree with past statements on this.

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 02:14:15 PM PDT

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    •  also, a lot of the damage has been done already (4+ / 0-)

      unless the entire Democratic establishment came out right now and declared itself pro-cannabis, it would be hard for Dems to 'woo' or 'win back' certain sectors of the youth vote.

      support a bullshit policy for six decades, and there's gonna be people who think you're full of shit no matter what (be it war on drugs or wars of imperialism abroad)

      so, there's that ...I guess.

      That's not to say it isn't more of a winning issue in the future than past. We had to lose thousands of marijuana felons to voter disenfranchisement for us to get to the point we are in now.

      Just as decrim of cannabis is part of a hard reduction strategy for users, the legalizing of cannabis is part of a much, much larger 'harm reduction' strategy for America, wherein we remove some of the self-inflicted knives from our back.

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 02:18:54 PM PDT

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  •  This is NOT a "Libertarian" issue, lol (2+ / 0-)
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    Karl Rover, fizziks

    So, I see no reason to credit or even reference Paul and his buddy for their legalization position.  

    Fuck them.  

    Democrats have always been most sympathetic, if still reluctant, on this issue.

    The left brought this issue from day one, but did kinda fall back on it, once we achieved decrim, such that nobody gets 10 years in prison, automatically, for a joint, anymore, as it was before.

    It has been on the coat tails of that, opportunistically seizing upon the burgeoning popularity of the herb, that the Libertarians have stepped in to co-opt that issue to their own perverse agendas, in their own perverse ways.

    While they have been very successful at that, and indeed instrumental in medical legalization, which is more or less a pretty good thing, in itself, they have also focused a great deal on making a whole bunch of money off the herb, which is what attracted them to the issue in the first place, politically, I think, as well as gaining "inside" access to millions of pot smokers, including many naive youth, to get them high and ply them with the most despicable Libertarian propaganda, on a whole gamut of other issues, as well, sowing confusion and recruiting, insidiously.

    The news of a federal bill being brought, by a Democrat, is heartening, and I am not against lobbying on this issue...but there is no reason in hell to do that in any kind of coalition, alliance, or association whatsoever with the Libertarians, on any level.  

    To the extent their name might come up on the topic, the Libertarians should simply be dismissed, as radical wingers unworthy of any consideration.  

    We don't "need" their "help"

    Fuck the Libertarians.

    Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

    by Radical def on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 02:27:04 PM PDT

    •  it will be if Dems drop ball nt (2+ / 0-)
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      420 forever, bsmechanic

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 02:35:49 PM PDT

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      •  This is not the most urgent issue, by a long shot (0+ / 0-)

        and certainly not any kind of litmus test on the ultimate viability of the Democratic Party, any more than absolute, or even substantial satisfaction on any other single issue can be allowed to be.

        The Democrats remain hostage to right wing majorities, and substantially constrained by that realpolitik.  As long as that remains the case, all the issues, and the whole world, are more or less screwed.

        And "teh Dems" will be transformed, after 2012, by a more progressive plurality, and if we attain real majorities that are not rotten with Blue Dogs, we'll suddenly, finally be unleashed from the dictatorship of a right wing majority, such that we can surge forward on this, and all other issues.

         

        Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

        by Radical def on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 03:04:58 PM PDT

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        •  you are....caucasian, no? (2+ / 0-)
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          420 forever, bsmechanic

          I'm just taking a guess....this being the internet, we only know so much.

          http://www.dailykos.com/...(expanded-x1)?showAll=yes

          after you read that diary, I'll be more than happy to continue this dialogue/debate/ rant/whatever.

          post as many comments as you want, be as focused/shrill/whatever as you want about libertarians.

          this isn't a diary about libertarians.

          don't forget to read the diary I just linked.

          thanks,

          ctb

          witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

          by change the Be on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 03:32:40 PM PDT

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          •  I don't get your "points"... (0+ / 0-)

            about race, nor about how the link relates, unless you somehow mean to imply that I have to be a racist, or that Obama or "teh Dems", on this issue, are thus "proven" absolutely non-viable...both of which premises are absolute bullshit.

            The arms trade has long been the province of the right, despite whatever extent they may have managed to corrupt, co-opt or coerce some Democrats into complicity.

            Real Democratic Majorities will move to cut it off, and also to more correctly manage relations, including "trade" with Mexico, et al, to encourage and assist development of a more equitable and democratic society there, rather than the present world-wide policy of deploying a few well-placed bribes, to ensure a captive impoverished workforce and maximized profits.  

            But, under the dictatorship of the present right wing plurality, this will not be accomplished, any more than any other substantial changes will be possible.

            This is not about Obama, nor even about the present nature of the Party, really, such as they are.  I consider them relatively irrelevant, since they are essentially, substantially powerless, hostage, with a gun to their own heads, politically speaking, from the right, as well as literally being under actual threat of death, no doubt, if they encroach too much on the established order of the past 30 years.

            It's all about the relative right left plurality in Congress, plain and simple.

            Insufficient Plurality = No Juice

            Plain and simple...

            Obama is not your daddy, nor is the Party.

            Whether they Even help us sufficiently, or like it, or not, it's on us to mobilize the electorate and seize the power, to either give them the back up, or the jack up, that they need to do the right things.

            And you are the one who brought up Paul, and are getting all butt hurt and defensive about my critique of the Libertarians, which you have unavoidably evinced with this diary, lol.  

            So don't tell me this is not about the Libertarians, lol.

            Don't mention them here, or bring their jive anti-Democratic line, if you don't want to hear the denunciation, lol.

            You know, you've said some reasonable things, in the past, to my recollection, but this discussion is causing me to have to reconsider that.  

            That's the most insidious thing about Libertarians, is that they are sneaky motherfuckers.

            Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

            by Radical def on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 05:24:38 PM PDT

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        •  the GOP would fire you as a consultant (3+ / 0-)
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          their anti-gay ballot initiatives were HUGELY successful for them in 2004.

          are Dems going to pass up on a similar opportunity because of a ridiculous assertion that this issue "isn't important?"

          anyone who says this issue isn't important doesn't know much about either politics or America

          every townhall Obama does- this question DOMINATES, that is, the marijuana question.

          And every time some so-called "liberal" in the public eye steps forward to declare the war on drugs as 'unimportant", well....that liberal asshole just sent another independent voter to the Libertarian information booth.

          witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

          by change the Be on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 03:41:19 PM PDT

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          •  Your hyperbole is showing, beginning to ooze (0+ / 0-)

            I said "not the most urgent", not "unimportant".  

            In fact, I said the issue should continue to be pressed, in a principled, rational manner, including lobbying for the DEMOCRAT introducing the national legalization bill.

            And don't give me that shit about being insensitive to the harm done by the present, and past, paradigm,

            I've paid my dues in organizing for decrim, including hard time, back in the day, and also quite a bit since then, to press for legalization and medical...although I did back away, heh, to avoid throttling the snotty Libertarians I suddenly found myself surrounded by.

            That said, I must acknowledge that the legalization issue is perhaps one of the most viable out there, in terms of grassroots organizing (no pun intended, lol), especially among those demographics most effected by prohibition.

            Over many years of tabling and organizing, I have consistently found that info tables and events about legalization always got a far bigger and more enthusiastic response than virtually Any other issue, bar none.

            Which is why the Libertarians have glommed on it like they have, opportunist swine that they are.

            Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

            by Radical def on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 05:38:28 PM PDT

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        •  Try and tell the millions of individuals whose (1+ / 0-)
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          life has been destroyed by the War on Drugs (police records, mandatory minimum sentences, racial profiling, gun crime, gang activity and so on and so forth) that this is not "the most urgent issue".

          BTW, how can you tell that "teh Dems will be transformed, after 2012, by a more progressive plurality"? After all, we have a Blue Dog for a President and a gung ho war on drugs supporter for VP. Not to mention that Obama seems to jump at every opportunity to support the reelection of Blue Dogs.

          If anything, we will have to rely on ballot initiatives to make any changes to the status quo. Even still, we might run into opposition (here in MA, Martha Coakley, a Democrat, did her best to kill the decrim initiative - even after it passed with overwhelming voter support) - luckily she failed.

          “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

          by 420 forever on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 04:07:38 PM PDT

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    •  While I'm no Ron Paul fan (0+ / 0-)

      he is one of the few politicians who's had the balls to be honest about the ridiculousness of the war on drugs.

      One thing is for sure - Obama will never allow pot to be legalized on his watch. I guess we will have to look for real change elsewhere.

      “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

      by 420 forever on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 02:52:23 PM PDT

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      •  This is not balls...it's opportunist radar (1+ / 0-)
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        If Paul had any balls, he'd stand up and cop to being a racist misanthropist.

        And if Obama does not judge this to be a high enough priority on which to spend what little "political capital" he has, in the face of all of the many extremely urgent issues confronting him at this time, it's not going to be about balls, either, any more than it has been on any other issue.

        And you are very welcome, "forever", and will very likely eventually get the virtual boot in the ass, to gtfo, and go "look...elsewhere", lol, because your anti-Democratic trolling isn't going to fly here anymore, now that community moderation is turned back on.

        Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

        by Radical def on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 03:14:11 PM PDT

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      •  calling off the dogs at DOJ would be enough (1+ / 0-)
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        for right now.

        it's not POTUS's job to change this policy single-handedly. the DOJ can stop politicizing its role and going after states.

        Look at colorado: the AG for the state is SUING the govt over 'obamacare', meanwhile the same dickhead AG is BEGGING the DOJ and dea to get involved in colorado's mmj program.

        this battle will be fought on local, state, AND federal levels.

        waiting for obama to come save us would be unproductive and unrealistic.

        on the other hand, I have not and will not join Obama's reelection campaign, nor will I be donating $$ to him. having said that , I'll happily vote for him.

        witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

        by change the Be on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 03:44:45 PM PDT

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        •  Actually, they did call off the dogs... (0+ / 0-)

          in that they decided not to pursue prosecution of medical marihuana...which Obama took a lot of heat for, but cuts us some slack, for now.

          But, the Libertarians, undercut on that oppositionalist issue, are now trying to grasp at another "last straw" issue, in DOJ not being willing, yet, to allow deployment of "dispensary" stores.  

          So now, the Libertarians will, no doubt, push That, as a "breaking point" for oppositionalist slagging of the administration, again ignoring both the realpolitik of a right wing plurality dictatorship in Congress, as well the substantial real advances made in spite of that.

          AS IF we Even "Need" any freakin' stores, or the general mad drive to commercialize the herb, to co-opt production and distribution under monopoly corporate fascist capital, and make huge money off of it...

          A real libertarian, in the old school libertarian communist, genuinely anarchist sense, would say just let us grow our own, share it with our community, and leave us alone...instead of trying to turn it into a big goddamn obsessive money trip.

          Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

          by Radical def on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 04:45:16 PM PDT

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      •  the day we need a racist like Ron Paul (0+ / 0-)

        to be a champion of civil rights, is a day where we on the left have failed.

        Miserably.

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        at this point, despite the hype, ron paul is no 'champion' of marijuana legalization.

        That's just a myth that trolls like to scream about on the internet, i guess, because it happens here with an increasing frequency lately.

        Go the Bronx. Go to East L.A. Go to new orleans. go to spokane, seattle, san fransisco, portland....

        talk to marijuana activists. To smokers. Medical patients. Stoners. Whoever. See how many of them are Ron Paul voters. Ron Paul is the 'hero' of a modest, almost exclusively-white fan base.  No disrespect to dailykos or anything, but the overwhelming WHITENESS and older-age demographics of this site are extremely visible in the character of the particular trolls that hang out in cannabis diaries. They seem to be, for the most part, racist pricks that just like to start shit and break site rules, then run and whine to community moderators that someone was "mean" to them. Breaking rules and then complaining that other people are breaking them? Hmm...sounds familiar...starts with a "R"...

        Many ron paul fans are small gvt nutjobs who wouldn't ever vote Dem anyway, so I don't care abou them nor worry about them. This is an issue that , statistically speaking, stands to activate far more Dem voters than Republican voters. The 'libertarian conspiracy theorists' around here sound stupid. They make dkos seem like a website only frequented by white guys over 50. [which, last time I checked, seems to be the site's main demo]

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        witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

        by change the Be on Sat Apr 30, 2011 at 11:44:21 AM PDT

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  •  I'm against the "Rug War"! (2+ / 0-)
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    "update x2: over decade ago, Uruguay's President was 1st ever to call for end to rug war."

    Lather still finds it a nice thing to do... My Site

    by meagert on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 02:40:34 PM PDT

  •  I know where I'm going on vacation! (0+ / 0-)
  •  i live in buenos aires and was recently in uruguay (0+ / 0-)

    seems like a mellow place for sure

    re: argentina...people smoke reefer in the streets here although i'm certain it's illegal

    "From Medicare to Manslaughter: Paul Ryan's Road to A Ruined America"

    by memofromturner on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 03:56:05 PM PDT

  •  I'll just note (1+ / 0-)
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    that next to Canada, Uruguay also has the most advanced national gay rights laws in the Americas.

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