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That's right. Faced with the undeniable reality that "Failin Palin" – despite her abhorrent positions and behavior – continues to garner a level of unrivaled demand and attention, Dkos diarist 8ackgr0und N015e was moved to accuse Sarah Palin with – wait for it – being crazy.

Of course, the diarist did use the word "may" to qualify said crazy claim, and didn't actually come out and make an actual accusation. Sorry, that qualified dog don't hunt. Unless "may be crazy" is a new-fangled way to compliment someone on their exquisite, over-priced wardrobe or choice in abstinence prevention techniques (as in, "comparing teen sex and bestiality is fucking crazy brilliant"). I mean, sorry, but you can't use the word crazy without the owner of said brain having a legitimate, mental illness that has been diagnosed by a professional. That's just common sense.

Seriously.

Here's the funny part: where did the diarist decide to drop this turd of a word? At a site in which one of the recommended diaries right now is someone asking for professional help for a mental illness.

Actually, I'm having a hard time seeing the wisdom in the diarist's use of the word crazy to describe anyone, given it's a public display of indecency (given the word cheapens those who have real mental illnesses and has come to be recognized as one of most defamatory words those 10% of Americans with mental illnesses can ever encounter). Though it probably makes more sense if you look at it from the diarist's perspective. Unfortunately, I can't get my head that far up my own ass to understand why the diarist thinks such usage is acceptable, particularly in a diary decrying the indecency of another, specifically Sarah Palin.

The diarist may be insensitive, but he/she is no dummy. The diarist is making serious bank with this act. Calling out easy targets and showing up on the rec. list throwing around words like "pussy" and "crazy." Andrew Dice Clay and Louis C.K. should track the diarist and take notes. Here's how it works: the diarist spews witty venom and gets recommendations from the chuckling masses, who forget the damage such language causes many in our community.

Think I'm making it up? Think I'm hitting below the belt with wild slander and uber-sensitivity?

Let me ask you a question: have you ever asked someone on here with a mental illness how they respond when they see the word crazy?

I'll tell you a secret: it feels like being synaptically fleeced in blog format.

Go on. Seriously. Ask.

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  •  More importantly it's distorting the use of (7+ / 0-)

    the phrase 'pussy footing' making a correlation that does not exist, for said results you describe. It's like lipstick on a pussy.

    "I've taken up sculpting recently. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Thu May 05, 2011 at 08:15:57 AM PDT

  •  Leave Sarah Alone!!!!!! (4+ / 0-)
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    jethrock, emelyn, appledown, IndieGuy

    Give me a friggin' break. She deserves all the scorn that can possibly be heaped on that pinhead. Oops, I guess that's a medical condition also. I apologize to all pinheads here and everywhere.

    A man, a plan, a canal, Panama

    by Karl Rover on Thu May 05, 2011 at 08:20:49 AM PDT

  •  I'm not a big "zomg you said the word "crazy" guy" (6+ / 0-)

    but I've never understood what insult failed to be conveyed by something like "She's a fucking shit for brains moronic idiot who never emotionally left high school", or something along those line.

    I'm gonna go eat a steak. And fuck my wife. And pray to GOD - hatemailapalooza, 052210

    by punditician on Thu May 05, 2011 at 08:29:36 AM PDT

  •  Thanks for this diary. (2+ / 0-)

    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

    by enhydra lutris on Thu May 05, 2011 at 08:40:03 AM PDT

  •  Well I'm Not Going to Say (16+ / 0-)

    "Fuck you and your sensitivities," but this is waaaaaaay too sensitive.

    The word "crazy" is nearly comletely disconnected from the implication of actual insanity.  In the course of a day I hear it probably 5-10 times... in the context of, 'Crazy idea,' 'Crazy time,' and yes even: "he/she is crazy!'

    But even in the latter context, it's (essentially) never used to imply anything remotely related to sanity, it's just describing a behavior.  

    "Crazy," "Nuts," "Batshit Insane," "Whacko," and "Mega Super Crazy Go Nuts Batshit Insane," are all employed in a similar fashion, and there's one more thing they have in common: No psychiatrist, psychologist, or doctor of any stripe would ever diagnose a patient as being any one of those things.

    You might have a case if someone was calling Palin Schizo or Bi-polar (and people here have probably called her both)... but you had to dig pretty deep to find offense in this.  Anybody who is personally affected by this usage of crazy must never turn on their TV or leave their house.

    •  the fact that "crazy" has become colloquially... (1+ / 0-)
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      leftist vegetarian patriot

      ...common to use only serves to highlight the problem.

      Or is using "gay" to commonly refer to those things one doesn't like okay as well?

      I thought so.

    •  I work for a county agency in northern California (4+ / 0-)

      that implements mental health programs. Because we are required by statute (originally Prop 63, aka the Mental Health Services Act) to confer with mental health consumers when designing new programs, I have for years regularly attended (multiple times a month) community meetings in which stigma and discrimination  and the damage they cause are commonly raised issues.

      Please believe me, Troubador raises an issue that is in not a strawman or overblown. The word "crazy" is seen as hurtful by a very large number of people.

      My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
      --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

      by leftist vegetarian patriot on Thu May 05, 2011 at 09:07:01 AM PDT

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        •  I wish I could say I've never offended (0+ / 0-)

          in this regard. I don't use the word in conversation, but I have on occasion used it in comments and later wished for an "Edit" button.

          My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
          --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

          by leftist vegetarian patriot on Thu May 05, 2011 at 09:26:19 AM PDT

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      •  I Don't Doubt That (2+ / 0-)
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        raincrow, aitchdee

        Hundreds of Thousands of Americans consider me to be murderous barbarian because I like hamburgers.  The issue isn't whether or not there are people who are offended byt he word.

        •  I believe you are mistaken on two counts (1+ / 0-)
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          First, I'm fairly sure the vast majority of vegetarians in this country don't hold such extreme views. A tiny number, maybe. However, even they are not personally offended by your omnivorous nature.

          Second, if that isn't the issue, what is? Is it our job to decide for entire groups of people whether it's reasonable for them to be offended by certain derogatory terms?  

          My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
          --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

          by leftist vegetarian patriot on Thu May 05, 2011 at 09:40:34 AM PDT

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          •  PETA Has 750,000 Members (3+ / 0-)

            I don't know how many in the United States.  I did not say anything about 'Vegetarians.'

            The answer to the second question is an obvious yes.  Everything is offensive to someone, so the alternative to using the type of discretion you describe is silence.  It's more nuanced than determining "reasonable" though.  If someone punched me in the face every day as a kid and said, "Pink Pajamas!" I would be "reasonably' offended by pink pajamas.  

            I can see how someone who believes what Peta believes "reasonably" thinks I'm a bloodthirsty murderer.  

            But someone who wears pink pajamas to my sleepover isn't going to punch me in the face, and I'm not a murderer.  So they can wear what they want, and I'm going to keep eating steak or whatever.

            FWIW I only just now saw the word "Vegetarian" in your name, the example I chose had nothing to do with that.

            •  It's possible we're talking past each other here (0+ / 0-)

              I will accept, for the sake of argument, that there might in fact be hundreds of thousands of Americans who would privately consider you a murderous barbarian for enjoying hamburgers and have no compunctions about saying so amongst themselves.

              However, if any such person called meateaters "murderous barbarians" in your presence, it would be a fairly safe bet that the terminology was either intended to offend or that this person did not care whether you were offended or not.

              Similarly, many here often use variations on "Republican" to express their disgust. "Repuke", "Repuglican", "Rethuglican", "Repug", etc. These are terms meant to express shared disapprobation with people we really don't like. If we use them in debate with people from the other side (and I don't), we are intentionally being insulting.

              But there is no "other side" when it comes to mental illness. The high percentage of the population who have mental health issues cross over every demographic and ideological line. So if we use the word "crazy" (and I've been guilty of some variant of this myself once or twice) it's a derogatory bombshell that hits some of our own.

              I think I understand your point of view. As far as that goes, I think the level of irrationality exhibited by many Tea Party types is eminently worthy of derogation. I just don't like to see people hurt who already have to put up with far more than they should.

              My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
              --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

              by leftist vegetarian patriot on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:32:00 AM PDT

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      •  Wouldn't it be more hurtful (0+ / 0-)

        to equate the diary he noted with the term? By doing that  could it not be inferred that his objection to the term 'crazy' is based on the fact that there are 'crazy' people present

        No... I am NOT stating or implying that the aforementioned diarist is 'crazy'... just that by bringing that diary into the discussion, this diarist could be construed as deeming him so... and based on his construing that he feels the terms is out of bounds.

        But if that is the case, doesn't that make him guilty of what he is accusing another?

        A slippery slope indeed...

        Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

        by awesumtenor on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:12:18 AM PDT

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    •  As a recovering crazy person (1+ / 0-)
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      SweetLittleOkie

      from a distinguished heritage of crazy people, I heartily endorse the use of the term. I am also a Person Of Pussy who is simply not offended by the use of the word "pussy" as a pejorative. Nor, as a Person With Anus, am I offended when I hear the term "asshole" used as an insult.

  •  Jed Lewison should be reprimanded for this post (5+ / 0-)

    This is a crisis I knew had to come, Destroying the balance I'd kept. Doubting, unsettling and turning around, Wondering what will come next.
    --Ian Curtis

    by jethrock on Thu May 05, 2011 at 08:46:07 AM PDT

  •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)

    I couldn't recommend the diary in good conscience because of that.

    And by the way, for the record, I was using the phrase "falin palin" two years ago, so the diarist doesn't get first credit for that.

  •  Don't by a tube of Krazy Glue then (4+ / 0-)

    It's tough. The term has so degenerated that it has positive connotations as well. The term, "crazy like a fox" is a positive use of the term. And the English language is particularly good and flipping the meanings of words around. For example, bad became good. Heck, "Miss Goody Two-Shoes" made 'good' bad before that. And no, I'm not criticizing or trying to trivialize your complaints I think there is some merit to them. But I don't think you'll get much traction with it.

    As soon as you have people telling other people how to live/think/behave because "god gave them authority" you effectively get dictators in funny looking hats.

    by ontheleftcoast on Thu May 05, 2011 at 09:20:44 AM PDT

  •  The pussy diary (1+ / 0-)
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    Deep Texan

    was juvenile snark, and poorly done at that. Why bother responding to it?

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Thu May 05, 2011 at 09:51:26 AM PDT

  •  The word might be distasteful (0+ / 0-)

    Your personal attacks against hi, however are nothing short of a disgrace. Really, it's no better than the people who say, "Hey firebagger/Obot, who's paying you to say that?" and they get bageled.

    Tell me why I shouldn't bagel you for doing the same as them.

    If bin Laden owned an oil company, [the GOP would] be wearing long beards and shooting at US troops in Afghanistan.-Geekesque

    by Dr Squid on Thu May 05, 2011 at 09:53:53 AM PDT

    •  And before you go (0+ / 0-)

      with the "I never said that" line...

      The diarist is making serious bank with this act.

      Am I being wrong for quoting your own words? Or are you wrong for saying them?

      Those are the choices.

      If bin Laden owned an oil company, [the GOP would] be wearing long beards and shooting at US troops in Afghanistan.-Geekesque

      by Dr Squid on Thu May 05, 2011 at 09:55:56 AM PDT

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  •  And now having read the original (0+ / 0-)

    This diary is even more disgraceful, and lazy to boot.

    Here's the difference. Sarah Palin gets paid a shitload of money to go around the country spouting word salads that are objectively detached from reality. The diarist does none of that.

    Hope you like breakfast. Bagel for you.

    If bin Laden owned an oil company, [the GOP would] be wearing long beards and shooting at US troops in Afghanistan.-Geekesque

    by Dr Squid on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:18:49 AM PDT

  •  well i guess that means (5+ / 0-)


    every word only has one definitiion?  don't think so:

    crazy: definition 2

    senseless; impractical; totally unsound

    crazy: definition 3

    wildly enthusiastic, full of passion

    (as in 'crazy about baseball')

    but we'll have to tread carefully around you eh Troubadour?

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:26:38 AM PDT

    •  Many highly or slightly offensive words (0+ / 0-)

      have alternative and completely inoffensive meanings that are clear when used. Fag and faggot would be two such.

      This particular word one has one such (definition 3) which is very clearly not at issue. Definition 2 is what you I believe you are pointing to.  However, it is not always clear in use that this is the intended meaning, rather than the primary definition. Further, it is merely a softening of said primary definition and is clearly derived from it, not a completely unrelated term. As such, it will still rub the sensibilities of many people.

      My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
      --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

      by leftist vegetarian patriot on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:48:50 AM PDT

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      •  So what (1+ / 0-)
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        SweetLittleOkie

        That doesn't give anyone the right to slander the original diarist as "just like Palin". Using one's diagnosed mental illness as some kind of "Get out of jail free" card trivializes those who have to get by every day.

        If bin Laden owned an oil company, [the GOP would] be wearing long beards and shooting at US troops in Afghanistan.-Geekesque

        by Dr Squid on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:55:34 AM PDT

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        •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

          You're going to have to help me out here. Where does he use the words you just put in quotes ("just like Palin") in this diary? Did I wander into some ongoing flame war?

          My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
          --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

          by leftist vegetarian patriot on Thu May 05, 2011 at 11:32:17 AM PDT

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          •  It's obvious (0+ / 0-)

            that you stopped reading either diary after reading the title. The diary is a lazy, hack C&P job of the original Palin-critical diary substituting a few words here and there. It was therefore meant to equate the original diarist with Palin. It became libelous when it was outright said that said diarist gets paid a shitload of money for his speech like Palin is.

            If bin Laden owned an oil company, [the GOP would] be wearing long beards and shooting at US troops in Afghanistan.-Geekesque

            by Dr Squid on Thu May 05, 2011 at 11:49:07 AM PDT

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            •  No, I read both (0+ / 0-)

              And this diary doesn't say any such thing. As you say, large sections of the diary follow the format of the original, but in the paragraph you reference here is the content added by Troubador:

              Here's how it works: the diarist spews witty venom and gets recommendations from the chuckling masses, who forget the damage such language causes many in our community.

              Had you noticed the bolded text above before writing your "shitload of money" comment? I was confused by your comment because I thought your quotation marks indicated an actual quote.

              Myself, I don't hold any animus toward 8ackgr0und N015e. Lots of people at this site use the word "crazy" carelessly and I doubt 8ackgr0und N015e is much if any worse than the norm. But that doesn't mean that Troubador isn't raising a valid issue in this diary or that Troubador and others don't have a right to take offense, even where none was intended.

              Finally, regarding using a diagnosed mental illness as a "get out of jail free card," I don't even begin to understand what you are talking about.

              My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
              --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

              by leftist vegetarian patriot on Thu May 05, 2011 at 12:19:45 PM PDT

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  •  Panic in the streets! (1+ / 0-)
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    a front pager just called Palin and Trump "Batshit crazy!"  go get Steve Sinsiger !

    Uh oh, I guess I'm in trouble for using the word 'panic' outside of a therapeutic context.

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Thu May 05, 2011 at 11:37:47 AM PDT

  •  I vehemently disagree (0+ / 0-)

    In one of your comments you say language is important to you. In what sense? If you could have your way, apparently you'd have the English language hogtied in some cramped, loveless cell. You'd stiffle emotional range and poignance, fetter sound and sense; disable that singular magic that can only be conjured up in print.

    So, are you joking? (Have you read any literature? Novels, poems? Any exposure to the arts at all?) If you're not joking then neither am I: this is among the most disturbing things I've ever read anywhere.

    This diary hurts and upsets me deepy. Your notions offend me like nothing else I can think of at the moment. You see, I'm sensitive about words too, and totalitarian-style threats to their flowering suppleness and freedom of use quite frankly makes me crazy.

     

    God bless our tinfoil hearts.

    by aitchdee on Thu May 05, 2011 at 12:34:44 PM PDT

  •  I am a little surprised to see a call out diary (0+ / 0-)

    I thought those were considered poor form.  They used to be the sort of thing that got people banned.  

    They don't want to 'win' the war; they just want to have one.
    -- DelicateMonster

    by 8ackgr0und N015e on Thu May 05, 2011 at 02:56:20 PM PDT

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