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All you partisan Democrats, I am begging you to reclaim the Democratic Party for the American People. Without a healthy Democratic Party (or a viable alternative) this nation is doomed. And doomed imminently.

As the GOP has moved ever more Right the Democratic Party has done the same, to the point that today's Republican Party is quite literally insane yet it STILL dominates the country. To the point that the Right maintained near total power even after We the People overwhelmingly elected a Progressive president and swept the GOP from elected office after the catastrophic reign of George the Worst.

Energy and The Environment are the most important issues to the nation and to the world today. If we don't address energy and the environment nothing else matters. Nothing. Because we are literally destroying the planet we all live on. But like all important issues -- health care, economic inequality, wars, civil rights -- Obama and the Democrats have failed us miserably on energy and the environment since the 2008 election.

I have painfully, reluctantly come to the conclusion that Obama is a fraud who is working only for the corporatists. I was a HUGE Obama supporter in the 2008 race and I, quite frankly, stunned as what has happened to a man I thought would be the transformational president the nation desperately needed at this time of existential national crisis. I was wrong. So wrong. Obama doesn't give one damn about average Americans or what we want. He does the bidding of his corporate masters. What possible explanation is there for Obama refusing to enact policies that are overwhelmingly popular with the American People -- public option, taxing the rich, punishing the banksters, preserving the sanctity of the American social safety net -- even though Obama's positions on those issues have ruined his presidency and sent the Democratic Party careening over a cliff? Is it just a coincidence that the positions Obama takes are those favored by the plutocrats? No, it is no coincidence; it is a function of the fact that Obama is himself a plutocrat.

This is a horrible realization but it is reality and it is far better to engage it than ignore it. So I write this to propose a solution: that partisan Democrats revolt and reclaim their party from the plutocrats. It is you -- and only you -- who have the power.

Time to tell Obama and the iteration of the Democratic Party he presides over to go to hell. Things must change now -- right now, before 2012 turns into 2016 -- or the United States and the American People are ruined. The only people with the power to force the requisite change are dedicated Democrats like those commenting and reading here because Obama cannot lose you. He can't lose you so you have power. But so long as partisan Democrats continue to support Obama no matter what he does, he will continue on his Republicrat path. If the partisan Democrats turn on Obama he will move Left. If not, he will continue Right. Simple as that.

The White House has cynically calculated that partisan Democrats will never desert Obama no matter what he does and that he is, therefore, free to move Right as much as he cares to. You have the power to make the change that is needed but it requires that you say enough is enough and that, finally, Obama and the Democrats have gone too far.

Sat Jul 09, 2011 at  8:47 AM PT: more urgent now


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    •  T&R with a caveat: President Obama (3+ / 0-)
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      Pluto, wbgonne, Barbie02360

      is working against a thirty-plus year coordinated, focused, well-financed movement of the Overton window towards the right. FDR had a significant socialist movement that he could point to and say, "Hey, it's the New Deal or these guys, which do you want?"

      The "left" isn't scary enough any more. The Vietnam war ended because people were burning ROTC buildings. Martin Luther King Jr. succeeded because Malcolm X was the alternative. When I was a freshman at UCSB, the most popular poster for sale at the local head shop was the BofA in Isla Vista being burnt down.

      The people in power will not willingly surrender that power unless they are afraid. And they have learned from the past, they own the media; there is no new Walter Cronkite who will go to Vietnam and tell the American People the truth about Iraq and Afghanistan.

      And, here, on dKos, there's no one to say that we should start burning the bank buildings down again.

      "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." James Madison, April 1, 1774

      by BobSmith415 on Sat May 14, 2011 at 11:57:49 AM PDT

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      •  We Can't Win Their Game (0+ / 0-)

        That's why we must begin another of our choosing. Money is the Right Wing game. But votes still win elections, no matter who has how much money.

        I agree with much of what you say about history but Obama had many advantages that he simply chose not to utilize, beginning with the grassroots mobilization that swept him into office. That and several other reasons are why I am persuaded that Obama wasn't beaten; he threw the game. In a sense, however, that's neither here nor there because the problem and the solution are unaffected. The problem is that the Democratic Party is too far Right and the solution is for mainstream Democrats to convince the party leaders that they will desert unless the party immediately begins doing the will of the American People.

        •  I agree with you, but in a way, you reinforce my (1+ / 0-)
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          Pluto

          original point. "Obama threw the game", why? Because he wasn't afraid of abandoning/ignoring the left. He wasn't scared enough of what we could do, just by sitting at home and not voting in 2010 to do what he was elected to do.

          We're starting to see some movement, from the lame duck 2010ers, to potential campaign mode now, but I suggest that we need to build momentum so that the 2113 Administration is scared enough to do the right things. The "Democratic" party is complacent and not afraid of losing their cushy jobs. Unless we can cut them off from the corporate teats, we will continue to get table scraps.

          "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." James Madison, April 1, 1774

          by BobSmith415 on Sat May 14, 2011 at 12:28:01 PM PDT

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          •  Why Did Obama Do What He Did? (1+ / 0-)
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            BobSmith415

            I think history books will be written about that and I'm not really sure myself. I lean toward the view that Obama is a corporatist himself and presented himself otherwise when campaigning rather than the one that Obama and his political team were so inept that they allowed themselves to get beaten like a drum by a Republican Party that 70% of the country thinks is nuts.

            I agree that the Left is toothless. I am proposing to give it teeth.

            •  The only way we have teeth is in running (2+ / 0-)

              real Democrat Party challengers, from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party,  in primaries to sitting Democrats, and any kind of Democrat against Republicans in generals.

              I've been doing that since my high-school days and losing more than I've been winning by a wide margin. I go back to my original point, somewhere in this diary: the Left doesn't scare the right anymore. When the Right thinks that they may lose their fortunes, have their manisons burnt to the ground, have a guillotine on K street and one on Wall Street, that's when we'll see a progressive agenda emerge from the mire.

              But of course, I could never suggest such a thing on dKos.

              "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." James Madison, April 1, 1774

              by BobSmith415 on Sat May 14, 2011 at 01:19:32 PM PDT

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              •  Amy Kind Of Democrat (0+ / 0-)

                Is exactly the problem. Democratic partisans will accept anyone who is willing to run with a D next to their name, even when the election if said candidate will harm the Democratic Party once elected. Democrats must stand for something and right now they stand for nothing other than not being Republicans. Or, more accurately, being Republican-lite, agreeing in principle with the Rightwing position but moderating it slightly. Think compassionat conservative. This is a losing approach long-term and even short-term now because the American People are with the Left now on all critical issues. Trojan Horse conservatives are an irresostible cancer on the Democratic Party and that is the most benign interpretation for why Obama has moved Right. The more logical explanation is that the Nlue Dogs have actually been doing the White House's bidding all along and that Obama himself is effectively a Moderate Republican. Either way the problem is the same and so is the solution: rank-and-file Dems must declare mutiny and force the party leaders to move Left.

      •  The war in Vietnam didn't end because (2+ / 0-)
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        skohayes, sewaneepat

        people were burning rotc buildings. It ended because moderates stopped supporting it.
        There's always some crusty relic who wants to "relive the '60's, as they imagine it was. Just as "conservatives" today are basically just people who imagine the "50's" to have actually been like an episode of "Ozzie and Harriet" and want to relive that.
        The fact is that time marches on, and you need to live in the present with an eye to the future.
        For whatever reason, the country voted a whole lot of Republicans into office in 2010.
        Now they're having voter's remorse. We have a great opportunity.
        The fact is that energy and the environment are tied up with the potential for jobs. To restore a middle class economy, we're going to have to invest in clean, domestic, renewable energy, energy conservation, and a 21st Century infrastructure that includes rural broadband, high speed rail, etc. There will not be another "housing bubble", but there will be a revolution in architecture and planning. Access to many of these new job frontiers was in the energy bill that didn't make it out of the Senate.
        The President has had to "move to the right" because he had to. He's moved to the left whenever he was able. Now he's in a much stronger position. Frankly I don't trust the motives of anyone with the attitude of the diarist. I wonder what their true objective is.

        •  Really? A great opportunity? To perhaps win more (1+ / 0-)
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          seats, but so what? We already had massive majorities with a big D Democrat in the Whitehouse. Are you talking about an opportunity to return to such a state, and to then open up more areas for drilling oil and nat gas and mining "clean coal"?

          I ask because there is a major disconnect in your response. The fact is that the environment and energy are tied up with the potential for jobs, you say. So? That doesn't mean that a Democratic victory in 2012 will change anything. It doesn't mean green jobs bills and the like. You talk about a revolution in architecture and planning, which might happen, if enough ordinary people can afford it, but it is far from foregone, there is no reason to assume that government will press for it, except for occasional local governments here and there. You say:

          The President has had to "move to the right" because he had to. He's moved to the left whenever he was able. Now he's in a much stronger position. Frankly I don't trust the motives of anyone with the attitude of the diarist. I wonder what their true objective is.

          Frankly, I don't trust people who baselessly impugn the motives of others and throw out afactual nonsense like you did, pollyana visions, and the myth that our President is some sort of a lefty being dragged kicking screaming into all of his actions.

          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Sat May 14, 2011 at 01:28:10 PM PDT

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          •  I didn't say he was a lefty. (2+ / 0-)
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            I recommend you check out "Artur Rosenfeld Symposium on Energy Efficiency" at UC Davis, via UCTV. You can find it easily on the internet.
            Esp: "What every President should know about energy efficiency".
            The architectural revolution isn't going to happen "just for people who can afford it", it will be empowered by the cost savings in efficiency.
            The last "boom" was based not on housing, but the leveraging of mortgages by 20x to 100x their worth.
            We won't go back to that.
            We can't go back to buying doodads with predatory consumer credit on the same level either.
            The middle class jobs will come with solar power on houses, wind power, the new grid, high speed rail, mass transit, electric cars, rural broadband, (for starters).
            If you listen to T.Boone Pickens, he'll tell you that regardless of how many leases we sell, there's not going to be that much oil development, period domestically, because there's not that much oil.
            The EPA is on the verge of outlawing mountaintop removal coal extraction. There is a big difference between Rebubs and Dems. Again, I don't much care for the diarist's point of view.
            If the left wants to influence the direction of the country, instead of burning banks they should get behind a massive, but disciplined, non-destructive march on Wall Street demanding jobs. If we could get 2 million marchers to walk thru Manhattan without tearing anything up, we could move the debate way over to the left.

            •  The architectural revolution will happen over the (0+ / 0-)

              dead bodies of the entrenched interests of the status quo. I'd love to go solar - can't afford it. Retrofitting houses to be more energy efficient? Dribs and drabs, a little at a time, as has been the case so far, but the up front costs make it unlikely to be both massively widespread and voluntary. New housing? With masive unemployment and downward pressure on wages asdded to inflation in the costs of living, the inventory of unsold existing normal (non McMansion) housing is very likely to be scooped up as fixer uppers before there is any new bujlding boom and we're again looking at retrofitting.

              My nephew is an architect. When I was talking solar with him, he was shocked at the cost per square foot installed in existing retrofitted residential construction. They pay a lot less for commercial buildings, for new buildings and for new commercial buildings, but they need a revolution in costs to make it take off outside of that narrow milieu.

              Most of the stuff you suggest except electric cars is infrastructure, not individual consumer items. It won't just happen because it is a good idea or even the best idea, it will only happen if somebody forces government to act. Government doesn't just go and do the right thing because it is the right thing, all of history is evidence to the contrary. The consumer decisions, household and autos are money issues, which goes back to ordinary people being able to afford it. In spite of all of the wall street/fed/bankster conmanship, people are still leery about debt, especially big debt.

              That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

              by enhydra lutris on Sat May 14, 2011 at 02:19:19 PM PDT

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    •  I'm tipping, but you will get negligible support (0+ / 0-)

      here.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Sat May 14, 2011 at 01:29:31 PM PDT

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  •  Could the System Have Anything to Do With It? (5+ / 0-)

    The entire political system in DC is corrupted by corporations, PACs & Citizens United.  Every politician in both parties is wooed & won by lobbyists.  Pakistan has lobbyists in DC.  They have successfully lobbied for billions of dollars in aid to Pakistan.....while they were harboring Osama bin Laden.

    Politicians in both parties spend much of their time angling for corporate donations.  It's not like Obama has a clean system to meander thru.  The whole town is corrupt & so are many of our politicians.  Most are bought & sold.  That is the reality not the pipe dream.

    •  Sure. I Incorrectly Thought Obama Was Different. (1+ / 0-)
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      So I agree with your premise about the dire state of our polity but I assume that working within the current system is preferable to the alternative. That's why I've proposed a solution that is possible within the existing political structure. If Democrats can reclaim their party from the corporatists the Democratic Party will succeed as wildly as it did in 2008 and the GOP will have no choice but to move Left.

      From the standpoint of competitive two-party politics Obama's huge error was retreating from the Progressive positions that swept him into power. The GOP took that failure and pounced on it. Of course, that assumes Obama truly wants the country to move Left, which is something I longer believe. Either way, however, both the problem and solution remain the same: Democrats must demand that the party once again represent the American People and not the corporatists.

       Nothing new here: populism has been one of the primary drivers of political parties in the United States for centuries and the Democratic Party during its glory years from FDR through LBJ which, not coincidentally, were also the glory years for the nation.

  •  Corporations run this Country...just look at the (3+ / 0-)

    lobbyists writing the laws for both parties.

    If only for the Supreme Court picks I have to vote Democratic Party. Whether I like the Democratic choice for President or not. To do otherwise would be to invite more rightwing Supreme Court Justices like Scalia who with a lifetime appointment can have a greater impact on the laws and direction of this country.

    "We are a Plutocracy, we ought to face it. We need, desperately, to find new ways to hear independent voices & points of view" Ramsey Clark, U.S. Attorney General.

    by Mr SeeMore on Sat May 14, 2011 at 11:25:52 AM PDT

    •  Yep. Me, too. The only choice I have is to (2+ / 0-)
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      Mr SeeMore, greengemini

      work for and contribute to the most "Democratic-wing of the Democratic party" person in the primaries, and mostly, we lose. I've been doing this since a 1974 Sacramento race, and I've worked on way more losing campaigns than winning ones. In 2012, it looks like I'm driving to the central valley of CA for the primaries, about 150 miles, and to Reno again for the general elections. (My CA choice hasn't even announced yet, and she won't win the primary, the winner is a DINO I wouldn't send a dollar to.)

      All these years, we're still losing, and I can't even get my mileage paid for, let alone take a paying job for a campaign. I can't be paid by a campaign, not that I mind, but it's frustrating to keep losing!

      But SCOTUS is more important than my mileage, and I'll be pounding the pavement for President Obama again in 2012. Hopefully, there will be a better Democratic candidate for the House by then, too.

      "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." James Madison, April 1, 1774

      by BobSmith415 on Sat May 14, 2011 at 11:41:47 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, SCOTUS Is Important (1+ / 0-)
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      Pluto

      but here is my response: First, I propose only that Democrats withhold support UNTIL the White House and the Establishment Dems move Left and remember that the Democratic Party stands for the American People. I think the adjustment will occur IMMEDIATELY once the White House recognizes the sincerity of the rebellion. Why? They have no choice. Without rank-and-file Democrats no Democrats can be elected. Period. Second, while the Supreme Court is quite important (I'm a lawyer so I know), the truth is that the politics of the country are so grotesquely skewed to the Right that even with a Left Supreme Court it is unlikely they could save us. We must reclaim political power first. The Supreme Court will follow ineluctably.

      When the Democratic Party moves Left it will succeed wildly and the GOP will be required to follow so the shift in the nation will be additive, if not multiplicative. But the shift must begin now. Immediately. And only mainstream Democrats can make it happen by demanding that their party be returned to them.

  •  We've Not Assembled Much of What the Rightwing (3+ / 0-)
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    Pluto, alyosha, enhydra lutris

    did beginning in the 60's, an independent movement to feed those better candidates and issues into the party.

    We only just had our first big national win since the Beatles, and within a year both parties are discussing rollbacks of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Meanwhile Republican statehouses' attacks on the social safety net is mobilizing boots onto the ground that have included many Republican voter until recently.

    So it's extremely early in the wakeup process --if there's to be one-- and we don't have very much to work with yet.

    But it is beginning to happen. Unions are one movement that's now pushing left of the party, so are environmentalists and some ethnic interest groups, and some of science and medicine. We don't seem to have a mainstream middle class interest group yet promoting a return to broadly progressive economic policies of the Democratic Party itself within living memory.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat May 14, 2011 at 11:44:12 AM PDT

    •  I Fear It Is Different This Time (2+ / 0-)
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      Pluto, alyosha

      The Right Wing is built on money. And the Left cannot and should not try to compete in that manner. It will be self-defeating and it will fail anyway (both of which are presently happening). There must be a populist revival for the Democratic Party and Democrats, by definition, can make that happen. But it will require effort and most likely some short-term pain as mainstream Dems abandon or threaten to abandon the party. Despite that, this is the quickest if not the only way to move the nation in the correct direction. Once the Dems move Left the GOP will follow only because the Dems will win, just as they would have in 2010 had Obama stuck with the Progressives who elected him.

  •  I am perfectly happy with a Democratic (4+ / 0-)

    Party that has Barack Obama as its leader and figurehead. As are the vast majority of Democrats. If 90% of Democrats support President Obama, who is it you are "reclaiming" the Party for - the other 10%?

    I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

    by doc2 on Sat May 14, 2011 at 11:45:43 AM PDT

    •  Not to put too fine a point on it but (2+ / 0-)
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      Pluto, alyosha

      You are the problem. It is precisely those like you upon whom the plutocrats rely to maintain power and control. So long as the Democratic Party remains corporatist, or at best, neutral the plutocrats win. In a political duopoly if you own one party and control the other you win. Period. The plutocrats know this and you should too.

      •  yes. The problem is me, and the other (5+ / 0-)

        90% of Democrats that support President Barack Obama. Those who call him a "fraud", like you, are the solution. Yes, that is correct.

        I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

        by doc2 on Sat May 14, 2011 at 12:27:51 PM PDT

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        •  If Obama Is So Popular ... (1+ / 0-)
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          alyosha

          why did the Democrats lose Ted Kennedy's seat to a GOP nobody? Why did the Democrats get annihilated in the 2010 midterms? Why is the whack-job Republican Party deciding what happens in this country?

          Yes, the problem is blind partisans like yourself who are being manipulated by the plutocrats no less than the Reagan Democrats have been or the Southern working class is. Open your eyes: you are being played.

          •  The reason we lost in 2010, in (1+ / 0-)
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            addition to the impact of the Bush economy, was that BO was NOT on the ticket. In 2012, the GOP will not be so lucky. And just as some fretted that Obama could never win because some Democrats (i.e. pumas) did not support him, he will survive 2012 just fine with your version of puma denigrating him from the sidelines. Face it, he is an awesome president, and Democrats as well as Independents recognize this. He is only unpopular amongst Republicans and a marginal element of people on the extreme left (such as yourself). So you'll vote for Nader, or Cynthia McKinney, or won't vote; it won't matter, and even if it did there is nothing that President Obama can do to please negative people like you.

            I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

            by doc2 on Sat May 14, 2011 at 01:01:17 PM PDT

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            •  And nothing he can do to disappoint or alienate (0+ / 0-)

              positive people like you. You realize that you just barfed up a bunch of completely afactual horseshit, don't you. You know that anybody who criticizes Obama will vote for Nader? You don't actually know shit about the left and their behavior and thinking, and your fixation with the whole puma thing in this context shows it.

              That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

              by enhydra lutris on Sat May 14, 2011 at 01:35:50 PM PDT

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          •  The dems lost Ted Kennedy's seat (2+ / 0-)
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            because Martha Coakley ran a shitty campaign (and that's being generous). It was not a referendum on the President or healthcare.

            Don't make it more than that.

            2012 Republican bumper sticker: GOP = Greed.Oppression.Poverty

            by Barbie02360 on Sat May 14, 2011 at 02:36:29 PM PDT

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            •  That Is Myth (0+ / 0-)

              Yes, Coakley was a lousy candidate who expected to win in a walk. But the reason she expected to win in walk is that everybody with a brain expected the same thing. Scott Brown was a Tea Party confection promoted mostly on talk radio who caught fire because Obama had already lost control to the Right. Their was a wave of disappointed against Obama and the feckless Dempcrats that began in The MA special election and continued through the midterms. And both times Obama responded by moving even further Right and further from the views of the majority of Americans, who happened to agree with the Left. That is the fundamental disconnect and what makes Obama's lurch Right more appalling and damaging than Bill Clontpn's. At least in Clinton's case he was adopting popular (if wrongheaded) policies. Obama has done it in opposition to the American People. And the polls have shown that unmistakably. Coakley was the first one caught in the undertow.

              •  No that's the reality here on the ground (2+ / 0-)
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                in Massachusetts. Not a single person I have talked to that voted for Brown did it as backlash against the President.

                They were either going to vote Republican or were disgusted with Coakley and her sense of entitlement.

                Deciding what you want it to mean in a larger context after the fact doesn't make it so.

                2012 Republican bumper sticker: GOP = Greed.Oppression.Poverty

                by Barbie02360 on Sat May 14, 2011 at 04:56:35 PM PDT

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                •  I'm in MA (0+ / 0-)

                  And I know what happened: a nobody beat a Democrat for Ted Kennedy's seat bc Democrats were already demoralized and the Right was already resurgent, both due to Obama moving Right against the wishes of the American People.

                  •  You have your version; I have mine (1+ / 0-)
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                    doc2

                    agree to disagree

                    2012 Republican bumper sticker: GOP = Greed.Oppression.Poverty

                    by Barbie02360 on Sat May 14, 2011 at 05:12:51 PM PDT

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                    •  And Your Version is That Everything Is Just Great (0+ / 0-)

                      Good luck convincing non-Obots. Here is my prediction: Romney gets the GOP nomination and beats Obama. Here is my alternative prediction: Romney can't get through the GOP process and the Repubs end up with Pawlenty (or a dark horse like Daniels or Christie). All of those people will probably beat Obama. Finally, even if Obama wins we get 4 more year of Republican-lite and we utterly fail to address the existential problems we face.

                      By what measure are any of those outcomes positive? If, on the other hand, mainstream Democrats demand that the party move Left, both the Democrats and the nation will prosper. What is wrong with that?

                      •  First of all I'm not sure if you realize this (0+ / 0-)

                        but you can't read my mind.

                        We have differing opinions on what happened in the special election. That in itself does not give you any insight into the complexity of my political knowledge or even how I view the upcoming election cycle.

                        So, Captain Happy, peddle your doom and gloom to someone else. K. I don't want, nor do I need, to be lectured to by anonymous people on the internet about what's in store if we don't follow your path.

                        If you think that the shift back will be done in one election cycle you're off your rocker. It took more than 30 years to shift the party right, and to expect it to move back because we demand it is childish and short-sighted.

                        Have a nice day.

                        2012 Republican bumper sticker: GOP = Greed.Oppression.Poverty

                        by Barbie02360 on Sun May 15, 2011 at 05:08:39 AM PDT

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                        •  No Mindreading No Red Herrings (0+ / 0-)

                          I said nothing about your political knowledge beyond what you said about mine. And I said nothing at all your view of the upcoming political cycle. I just gave my own.

                          Just as you said nothing about my fundamental point: that rank-and-file Democrats can and must reclaim the party and move it Left. Are you saying it can't be done? Or that it shouldn't be done? Or, as I suspect, are you merely saying you aren't going to do it regardless? If so, you have provided more proof for my thesis that partisan Democrats who fail to demand changes from the party leadership are complicit in what has befallen the Democratic Party and the nation. Now with that knowledge you have yourself a good day.

                          •  In the process of reading your diary (1+ / 0-)
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                            wbgonne

                            and all the comments, I happened upon a statement of yours that clearly differed from my experience as a MA voter. I offered that difference which prompted you to restate your premise, which I still disagree with.

                            I sent out a message stating: agree to disagree and I get a rant about "my version" and the coming political apocalypse.

                            You extrapolated that our difference of opinion on one issue into assuming that I believe that everything is great which I clearly did not say nor do I believe.

                            In fact, I agree with your basic premise that the left has shifted right and stated that in my previous response. I haven't read enough of what your plan entails so excuse me for not jumping on the anti-Obama bandwagon.

                            Perhaps it's your writing style, which comes off a bit accusatory, since it seems you have already decided where I fall on the democratic spectrum based on our limited contact in this diary.

                            If you'd like to learn more about what my political leanings are like, I suggest you read my last two diary entries.

                            2012 Republican bumper sticker: GOP = Greed.Oppression.Poverty

                            by Barbie02360 on Sun May 15, 2011 at 08:51:48 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Why Won't You Simply Answer the Questions I Asked? (0+ / 0-)

                            Should rank-and-file Democrats reclaim the party from the corporatists? If so, why is my proposal wrong?

                            That's the whole point of the diary yet you insist on discussing trivia. It reminds me very much of all the Magic Pony talk during health care. In my view it represents the partisan defensiveness upon which the plutocrats prey and which the corporatists manipulate to ensure a continued stranglehold on the Democratic Party and, consequently, on the country. The status quo is not working yet, unless I am missing something, the status quo is what you support.

                            P.S., before your most recent comment I had gone and looked at your most recent diary and I saw, unsurprisingly, that we agree on much. Where we disagree apparently is how to achieve those goals. I am proposing a dramatic way forward because the problems we face are acute and we don't have 40 years to mess around. Nor do we need it since, as I have said, partisan Dems have the power to make it happen today. All that is lacking is the will.

                            Namaste.

                          •  To answer your question, (0+ / 0-)

                            I'm still deciding. It's one of the reasons I delved into your diary in the first place. To educate myself about other opinions that are out there. Once I've decided how I feel about how this should be accomplished, I'll weigh in.

                            As I already stated, I do agree with your basic premise. It's your method that I'm not completely sold on yet.

                            Keep in mind that I wanted to drop this topic, hence my agree to disagree comment. You decided to keep it going. So let's be careful about accusations of arguing trivia.

                            I tend to get my back up when I feel attacked. Lightening your tone may not be in your nature but you should realize you may come off as a pompous windbag. Not that I'm judging you or anything. :)

                            Let's see if we can reset this. Hi, may name is Barbie, it's good to meet another passionate progressive from the (soon to be all blue) state of Mass(hole)achusetts.

                            2012 Republican bumper sticker: GOP = Greed.Oppression.Poverty

                            by Barbie02360 on Sun May 15, 2011 at 09:27:39 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Nice to Meet You (0+ / 0-)

                            I am, in fact, a pompous ass. But that doesn't mean I'm wrong so I beg you to give more thought as you say you will. Because until you -- and others like you -- take charge, both the nation and the Democratic Party are destined for failure. Maybe I'm strident bc I have agonized over this and simply see no other solution. Don't let the fact that I am a lousy salesperson make you reject the ideas.

                            We are at a critical juncture in the country. As you noted in your diary, the American Middle Class -- the vital element in our national success -- is under grievous assault. Once it is gone it is hard to see how it returns. And the seas are rising while we speak. As you probably know, the most recent prediction is that by 2100 the seas will rise between 3 1/2 to 5 feet. That may have significant impacts on us in our lives, and it will certainly harm our children's future. And that sea level rise is based on the carbon we have already put in the air. Unless we begin changing immediately and meaningfully the result will almost certainly be catastrophic.

                            Reclaiming the Democratic Party, while difficult, is far preferable to the consequences of not acting now

                            Now I'm gonna get out there and enjoy our gorgeous spring, just as I enjoyed our wonderful winter.

          •  Because the Democratic candidate (2+ / 0-)
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            sucked, and assumed she would win, so she didn't campaign.
            We got annihilated in 2010 because of the enthusiasm gap, Republicans were much more motivated to vote. This happened in 2006 and 2008 for the Democrats.
            People who think we had "massive majorities" in 2008 are the ones who aren't paying attention, and ignoring HALF the equation.

            How come the dove gets to be the peace symbol? How about the pillow? It has more feathers than the dove and doesn't have that dangerous beak. Jack Handey

            by skohayes on Sat May 14, 2011 at 03:52:08 PM PDT

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  •  It (0+ / 0-)

    takes a special person to get to be president.

    Someone who can turn off lots of things. Feelings, convictions, values, doubts...

    Let's hope we get it right this time :-)

    When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace- Hendrix

    by Maori on Sat May 14, 2011 at 12:08:28 PM PDT

  •  Very logical political strategy (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    alyosha

    ...to counter the rule of Our Corporate Overlords. And, it is true that we the people are empowering our own demise as participants in the American commonwealth. Theoretically, we could revoke that empowerment, if we stood together as a people. Now.

    But, sadly, the American people are broken beyond all repair. This dog don't hunt no more:

    Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

    In any event, it may be too late.

    •  And, highly Recommended (1+ / 0-)
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      alyosha

      For an important and intelligent discussion that somehow reminds me of the discussions that the Colonists must have had just prior to writing the Declaration of Independence.

      Free men standing together and speaking to power.

      Those were the days!

      •  Thanks (1+ / 0-)
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        Pluto

        It can't be too late. And if it is we'll never know anyway so we may as well pretend it isn't.

        People still have the power. We just feel impotent because that it is how the plutocrats maintain control. It is an illusion of helplessness.

        •  People may or may not still have the power, what (0+ / 0-)

          is primarily lacking is the will. Such a will must come from want and need or from idealism. There is not enough pain, and nowhere near enough idealism today. Most are quite satisfied with the status quo so long as Dancing with the Stars and Americal Idiot Idol are not pay per view.

          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Sat May 14, 2011 at 01:43:46 PM PDT

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  •  It's not the party, it's the voters. (0+ / 0-)

    "Because I am a river to my people."

    by lordcopper on Sat May 14, 2011 at 02:51:21 PM PDT

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