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Sen. Scott Brown might be under attack by some Republicans over his flip-flop on opposing the House Republican budget, but they've decided to adopt one of the talking points he used in his faint praise of the plan: "Democrats did it first."

Yes, as POLITICO's Ben Smith writes, Republicans have decided to go on the attack against Democrats on Medicare, using the playbook from 2010 when the cuts to Medicare Advantage in the Affordable Care Act proved a potent criticism with older voters.

Sen. Chuck Schumer vowed yesterday to make the Medicare changes in Paul Ryan’s budget a defining campaign issue for Senate Republicans in 2012—but Republicans plan to respond by reviving criticism of cuts to the Medicare Advantage program that were built into the 2010 health care bill...

"He and every other Senate Democrat went on to vote for it." one Republican staffer emails. "We'd agree with Schumer that in races such as this Medicare will be a key issue."

Republicans ran hard on the issue of Medicare cuts during the 2010 campaign—and it was part of the reason that senior citizens swung so hard towards GOP candidates.

Never mind that Medicare Advantage has only about 11 million enrollees—all of which still enjoy Medicare coverage, as opposed to the 46.5 million who would be left at the mercy of private insurers in the Republican plan. That's getting tot he policy weeds of this, but what about the politics?

Greg Sargent looks at that. He writes about getting an e-mail from the NRSC pointing to the Senate battleground states poll commissioned by liberal groups, arguing that that poll shows the vulnerability of Democratic incumbents over Medicare Advantage cuts. It's twisted logic, but Republican strategists are nothing if not twisted.

In the special House election in New York’s 26th district, where the GOP candidate is in trouble over her support for Paul Ryan’s plan to end Medicare as we know it, Republicans are fighting back by accusing the Democrat of wanting Medicare cuts because she said Medicare should be on the table.

This strategy — attacking Dems from the left on Medicare, just as Dems are doing to Republicans — amounts to an admission that Dems are winning the argument over Ryancare. It’s an effort to muddy the waters by persuading the public that both parties agree on the need to cut Medicare and even change it in a fundamental way — and that the only argument is over the details....

[T]he political dynamic here could not be clearer. Dems, you have now been put on notice: If you agree to deep cuts in Medicare in the Biden-led talks, Republicans will see to it that you lose the political advantage you have built up by attacking Ryan’s plan. You may even lose the general advantage you have built up as the creators and defenders of popular entitlements programs that have helped define the Democratic Party for generations. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

You know they'll use it. They'll have no shame whatsoever in doing so. No matter what Sen. Mitch McConnell says about a "grand bargain" on Medicare and Social Security taking the issues off the table in 2012, it ain't gonna happen. If Medicare or Social Security cuts happen on a Democratic president's and Senate's watch, they'll be fair game.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue May 24, 2011 at 02:40 PM PDT.

Also republished by The Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.

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  •  Shades of 2004 (27+ / 0-)

    Bush served honorably in the National Guard, and Kerry committed treason in Vietnam.  And people bought it.

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

    by Navy Vet Terp on Tue May 24, 2011 at 02:43:30 PM PDT

    •  One small problem in 2012 (7+ / 0-)
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      TomP, zonk, Matt Z, katesmom, antirove, boofdah, beemerr

      They all voted to turn Medicare into couponcare, and did so well after HCR.

      In politics, the "But they did it first!" line of attack isn't the strongest.

      I really think Democrats are panicking over nothing here. I doubt the Republicans will do anything but call greater attention to their vote for Couponcare by trying to attack the Democrats from the left.

      •  Republicans ran on "protecting" (4+ / 0-)
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        Matt Z, Ice Blue, katesmom, boofdah

        medicare from Obamacare cuts.

        They get elected,  and  then want to end medicare as we know it.
        Somehow this is supposed to make them look better
        than the dems.

        All it is does is remind people that republicans lie.
        I don't think this approach helps republicans.

        Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

        by Sherri in TX on Tue May 24, 2011 at 03:44:03 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Inconsistency is inauthentic and untrustworthy (0+ / 0-)

          To flip and flail around like this may get them out of their immediate jam, but it doesn't help them down the road.

          •  ObamaCare Cut Payments to Private HMO Middlemen (0+ / 0-)

            many of whom are making large questionable profits on their middleman role in this previously instituted partial "privatization" of government programs.

            Cutting payments to insurance companies to help keep costs of care down is a prudent measure to protect both consumers and taxpayers.  

            It did not cut any Medicare benefits and in fact, Obamacare increased Medicare benefits.

            ObamaCare did, however, begin the process by which waste, duplication and the profit-driven churning of Medicare claims can be eliminated and the cost of health care delivery can be brought down - allowing Medicare to cost the taxpayer less while providing those on Medicare more.

            When areas with the best care and results cost half as much per Medicare recipient as other areas where  Medicare patients are twice or three times as likely to be given certain treatments or tests with no good reason for such disproportionate useage and results that are worse, not better, we have an obligation to both patients and taxpayers to make sure people are not being taken for a ride.

            We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

            by Into The Woods on Wed May 25, 2011 at 09:33:49 PM PDT

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    •  The Repugs aren't afraid to act like assholes (11+ / 0-)

      on Medicare, Social Security etc because they believe that they have suffciantly rigged the game in their favor from now on.

      The voter suppression laws that have been passed by Republican legislatures and governors around the country to be a great threat to our ability to have a fair and true election in 2012.  

      Add to that the billions in Citizens United cash  (the Koch Brothers, the Chamber of Commerce, KKKarl Rove, etc) that's going to be spent against Democrats/Obama and the unfair destruction of ACORN that used to register minority and poor voters and it is clear to me the Republicans plan to 'take' the election.  No wonder they are blatantly acting so strongly against the public interest and the public good.

      We need to understand that this next election is going to be a lot harder to win with the laws stacked against us and figure out how we can overcome these disadvantages.

      "He's the one, who likes all our pretty songs. And he likes to sing along. And he likes to shoot his gun. But he knows not what it means" - Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Tue May 24, 2011 at 02:51:20 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, but in this case (10+ / 0-)

      there's something that can be done about it.

      If Dems defend Medicare fiercely from the Repub/Ryan attack now , how they voted on Med. Advantage in the past won't matter a damn--politically, anyway.

      If they keep going "centrist" on entitlements, they're lost.

      Repubs have a basic advantage on messaging not only b/c they're good at it, but because most of the news corps are more on their side than on the Dems' side.

      The heart is a bloom, shoots up through stony ground/But there's no room, no space to rent in this town

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue May 24, 2011 at 02:59:34 PM PDT

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    •  Dems win by charging ahead on this. (1+ / 0-)
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      boofdah

      Why would the GOP send Greg Sargent, a pretty good journalist who leans maybe a little bit to the left, their game plan if they thought they could win with it? Wouldn't they want to keep it a secret?

      The GOP is losing and they are trying to play headgames with us.  Anything they can do to get us to start fretting and worrying and calling our elected Dem officials all kinds of bad names they will do.

      Be strong. Do not take their bait.

      We are winning and they know it.

    •  Bush & Kerry (1+ / 0-)
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      PBen

      Ever since Bush served honorably in the National Guard and Kerry committed treason in Vietnam, I've believed the GOP can pull off the impossible. If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes I never would have believed it could be done.

      I remind myself of it every time I start thinking they're digging themselves into a hole. They are capable of truly incredible things. Never underestimate them.

      We decided to move the center farther to the right by starting the whole debate from a far-right position to begin with. - Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay

      by denise b on Tue May 24, 2011 at 08:03:21 PM PDT

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  •  Geeze, the Repubs have to explain that one (19+ / 0-)

    Most seniors won't know what the hell they are talking about.

    In politics, if you're explaining, you're losing.

    "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."- Arthur Carlson

    by bobinson on Tue May 24, 2011 at 02:45:54 PM PDT

  •  Then Dems won't show up to vote in 2012 (1+ / 0-)
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    nellgwen

    and I will have to consider leaving this country. It will be come too evil. The dictatorship of evil W was a warmup. The evil R's have gotten even more evil.

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Tue May 24, 2011 at 02:46:19 PM PDT

    •  Typical martyrdom liberal response (4+ / 0-)
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      Rich in PA, Mr MadAsHell, Matt Z, Ice Blue

      And that's why liberals always lose. Elections have consequences. Look at WI, OH, IN, PA, and MI for evidence.

      •  I didn't say that I wouldn't show up, I always (1+ / 0-)
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        nellgwen

        vote. It is completely ridiculous to me that people don't. I cannot believe that we are really a republic when people can't even do their small bit of citizen responsibility by voting AND don't want to pay for the rotten bit of civilization by paying  taxes. Who wants the wild west back? Only the evil Rs.

        I agree and I don't get it. I think it is stupid.

        The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

        by a2nite on Tue May 24, 2011 at 03:00:06 PM PDT

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      •  It Wasn't Martyr Activists, It Was Blacks and Wome (6+ / 0-)

        and Obama's 2008 surge youth vote that stayed home.

        Masses of rank and file.

        Humans are what they are. If masses of them don't show up then you those who were in position to motivate them blew it. Leading a democracy has 2 parts, execution and motivation. The vote proved the last 2 years were a disaster at the combination.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Tue May 24, 2011 at 03:03:17 PM PDT

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        •  And they were dumb to (1+ / 0-)
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          Elections have consequences. Conservatives don't ever not show up. They don't have the same romanticized notion of losing.

          •  The hell they don't! (0+ / 0-)

            Remember all the Tea Partiers saying they didn't care their candidate couldn't win the general? They use very much the same scorched-earth talk you see on the left.

            The difference is the right has a better turnout machine, not that we're uniquely difficult to motivate.

            Formerly known as Jyrinx.

            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” ― Emma Goldman

            by Code Monkey on Tue May 24, 2011 at 03:59:07 PM PDT

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          •  Besides, you don't get to pick your electorate. (0+ / 0-)

            They may be dumb, but dumb people are just too big a voting bloc to write off.

            Formerly known as Jyrinx.

            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” ― Emma Goldman

            by Code Monkey on Tue May 24, 2011 at 04:00:00 PM PDT

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  •  And... (19+ / 0-)

    In the front page post just below, there is quote from Steny Hoyer claiming that cuts in Medicare 'are on the table'.  God, the Dems are so fucking stupid.

    [F]undamentalists pretty much fall under the same banner ie. "we cant control our junk" - LaFeminista

    by RichM on Tue May 24, 2011 at 02:47:22 PM PDT

    •  They must stop this centrist BS. (13+ / 0-)

      If they are seen as the party that voted for massive tax cuts for the wealthy and then took food (or medicine) out of Grandma's mouth, they're lost.

      The heart is a bloom, shoots up through stony ground/But there's no room, no space to rent in this town

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue May 24, 2011 at 03:00:50 PM PDT

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    •  if we can't afford to take care of the elderly (8+ / 0-)

      then we have no business funding a titanic military.  The only thing that should be "on the table" for Medicare is the stupid provision that bars negotiating drug prices.
       

    •  Cuts should be on the table (1+ / 0-)
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      antirove

      Medicare spends a lot on things that are in no way related to benefits -- near total funding of graduate medical education to the tune of about 10 billion annually, for example.   Geographic facility subsidization for another.

      Unlike Social Security - Medicare's health long-term isn't an easy fix on the revenue side.  I think it's simply smart policy to to start saying that Medicare ought to get back to its core mission:  single payer insurance for the elderly and disabled.

      That doesn't mean I necessarily oppose federal funding of GME or CAH/DSH subsidization, only that Medicare needs to stop being our generalized health care pack mule.... that's what it is right now - any part of the US health care system that needs funding, the tab gets dumped on Medicare, but dumped on Medicare without anyone bothering to address how Medicare should cover those ancillary costs.  

      Now... if you want to say that's all well and good - but it's not smart politics to say what Hoyer said, that's one thing and one thing I could probably agree with you about.... but strictly from a policy perspective?

      Medicare needs to stop being the poor dupe that always gets stuck with the check for everything under the sun.  Let Medicare serve its core mission and its core mission alone.

      Full Disclosure: I am an unpaid shill for every paranoid delusion that lurks under your bed - but more than willing to cash any checks sent my way

      by zonk on Tue May 24, 2011 at 03:23:26 PM PDT

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      •  Got links? (1+ / 0-)
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        Mr MadAsHell

        This is all very interesting, zonk, but I've never heard it before. do you have any links to show:

        1. $10 billion annually funds graduate medical education.

        2. What is GME and CAH/DSH?

        I'm in an argument with my son about this and the details explaining your points would be very helpful.

        Thanks.

        /

        •  Sure (2+ / 0-)
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          Just to dispense with the acronyms first -- GME = Graduate Medical Education, essentially -- all of the residency programs in hospitals across the country.  CAH = Critical Access Hospitals... these are hospitals in rural areas that are deemed to serve a critical geographic need (meaning, if they shut their doors - it might mean hundreds of miles to get to another facility).  DSH = Disproportionate Share Hospitals... the urban sibling of CAHs -- generally, urban facilities that serve predominantly poor patients.  Both CAHs and DSHs receive enhanced Medicare payment rates based on their status as such.

          They're a bit dated, but still basically accurate even after the passage of PPACA.   Here's something of a wonky discussion of the topic from Health Affairs that talks about Graduate Medical Education programs...  This article is longer, but quite a bit more accessible -- it's more than 10 years old so many of the figures are dated.  I should note, too -- while I think it's a fair overview, it does tend to come at it with an agenda (namely that Medicare funding GME is bad), but it raises good points that are worth considering.... especially the manner in which hospitals sometimes abuse the GME system to get what amounts to cheap labor.

          Full Disclosure: I am an unpaid shill for every paranoid delusion that lurks under your bed - but more than willing to cash any checks sent my way

          by zonk on Tue May 24, 2011 at 03:58:44 PM PDT

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          •  Without having read those articles (1+ / 0-)
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            though I will do so in a bit, perhaps there should be some relationship between what doctors who take advantage of graduate education at public expense with what they will be permitted to charge patients.

            •  That's one of the issues that the latter (2+ / 0-)
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              article points out -

              There is no quid pro quo for the individual physicians - once your residency ends, you practice whatever, wherever, and as a participant in whatever insurance programs you wish.   It's a big problem with foreign residents -- something many hospitals leverage -- physicians trained abroad come to the US for residencies (cheap doctors for hospitals), then leave the country to practice back at home.   Again - it's not that I have a fundamental problem with the US in some manner helping train physicians even if they care for people in other countries, it's that Medicare ultimately foots that training bill.

              The flip side is that residents, of course, aren't well paid (I think the median salary for a resident is lower than the national median income) and they work crushing hours...

              So I don't want it to sound like it's the residents themselves that are to blame -- rather, it's the hospital networks and 'health care industry' itself I have a problem with in this equation...

              Most industries - blue and white collar - handle their own training... when you start as an associate at a law firm out of law school - it's the firm that hires you that's going to handle training (or more accurately, expect you to learn procedure).   If you're a pipefitter or an electrician - it's likely a union that runs an apprenticeship and training program before you graduate to journeyman status.

              Yet - in medicine - it's Medicare that foots that bill.

              Full Disclosure: I am an unpaid shill for every paranoid delusion that lurks under your bed - but more than willing to cash any checks sent my way

              by zonk on Tue May 24, 2011 at 06:15:45 PM PDT

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  •  Yes, they will attack from the left (5+ / 0-)

    And yes, it will work.

    That's pronounced COOLbert.

    by Red State Ambassador on Tue May 24, 2011 at 02:50:39 PM PDT

  •  So, make them vote on it Harry Reid (4+ / 0-)
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    Lucy2009, TomP, Ice Blue, PorridgeGun

    you spineless jerk.

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Tue May 24, 2011 at 02:54:56 PM PDT

  •  Holy shit. (7+ / 0-)

    I brought this idea up two months ago (albeit privately, to friends) but though it was plausible I didn't really believe the Repubs would do it.

    Anyway, I didn't expect it so soon.  They must be feeling the pressure of the public turning against them.

    The heart is a bloom, shoots up through stony ground/But there's no room, no space to rent in this town

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue May 24, 2011 at 02:56:52 PM PDT

  •  Good luck... (4+ / 0-)

    ..to Republicans on thier new, brilliant strategy of "attacking from the left."

    If the election tonight goes as predicted by the polls, Republicans will not be doing much more attacking, whether from the left, right, center or sideways.

    They will see the writing on the wall & run for the hills.

    Which will be great news for America.

     

    When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in excess body fat and carrying a misspelled sign.

    by wyvern on Tue May 24, 2011 at 02:58:56 PM PDT

  •  That's really not a problem (1+ / 0-)
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    MikePhoenix

    Any non-Blue Dog Democrat should be able to look voters in the collective eye and ask them to decide which party they think really has it in for Medicare.  And as for the Blue Dogs, have a nice trip.  

    It's better to curse the darkness than light a candle. --Whoever invented blogs, c.1996

    by Rich in PA on Tue May 24, 2011 at 02:59:34 PM PDT

  •  The Dems have been warned again and again (9+ / 0-)

    not to play Esau and sell their birthright for a mess of corporate pottage, but the parable apparently doesn't register in the intellectually superior minds of our pragmatic moderate power centrists.  Today's Dems sell out their birthright every time, and either don't have the slightest clue that's what they are doing, or are doing so entirely deliberately.

    "Tu vida es ahora" ~graffiti in Madrid's Puerta del Sol, May, 2011.

    by ActivistGuy on Tue May 24, 2011 at 02:59:59 PM PDT

    •  I honestly don't think that's what happened here. (0+ / 0-)

      Medicare Advantage pays private corporations 110ish% of a senior's Medicare allotment. The insurance reform law set about slowly diminishing that 10% corporate subsidy until Advantage plans are eventually funded at the same level as government-administered Medicare plans.

  •  Scalpel(Dems) vs Chainsaw(GOP) (6+ / 0-)

    Not that typical low information voters can handle the distinction.

    We agree our hair is on fire, we disagree with Paul Ryan's plan to use a sledgehammer to put out the fire

    by JML9999 on Tue May 24, 2011 at 03:00:18 PM PDT

    •  They're High Information; Most of What Average (5+ / 0-)

      people get however is disinformation.

      If it was truly low information it would be cheap and easy to persuade them.

      The US is a cult, has been for 30 years. In a number of nation busting crises, factual reality does not have a place in the mainstream conversation; in some of them, that's true of Democrats too.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue May 24, 2011 at 03:06:49 PM PDT

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  •  Dems won't be held accountable... (4+ / 0-)
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    SBandini, draa, nellgwen, katesmom

    There is absolutely no way democrats will be held accountable if Social Security and Medicare are affected by so-called budget cuts.  This is gonna be on the head of repubs totally.  No self-respecting democrat/liberal/progressive...whatever...would ever, never be in favor of using either of these extremely popular and effective government programs to get our debt crisis under control.  As I've said here on DKos a number of times before...these are "hands-off" programs for the vast majority of the citizens in our country.

    I'm elated that the repubs are trying their best to go after these.  It just gives the democratic party and democratic candidates a faulous issue to campaign on.  

    Who in their right mind would actually be for taking away money from Social Security and Medicare????  

    What a silly way to balance the budget.  Some things are just good.  These two programs are JUST GOOD.

    What else can be said?

    -- **Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.**

    by r2did2 on Tue May 24, 2011 at 03:01:15 PM PDT

  •  That's their strategy/comparison? Bring it on! (0+ / 0-)
  •  IMO it's time to... (4+ / 0-)
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    Lucy2009, nellgwen, Matt Z, PorridgeGun

    draw a really big fucking line in the sand.....n/t

  •  Their big problem (2+ / 0-)
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    nellgwen, Matt Z

    is that people don't trust them on Medicare. If they want to have a big fight over it, they will lose, because the Democrats are seen to be the Party who invented, expanded and protected the program. Voters consistently get that. So I welcome a battle on that ground and I am happy to see the deluded thinking on the right that thinks this is an argument on which they can prevail. The only thing Democrats could do to mess up is to signal that there is any way in which they could sign on to a Republican "plan".

    •  The Republicans made the mess... (2+ / 0-)
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      Anne Elk, Matt Z

      ...through the Ryan plan. They can try to muddy the waters, but they cannot escape responsibility for their irresponsible peddling of the Medicare-killing Ryan plan.

      "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Mohandas K. Gandhi

      by alaprst on Tue May 24, 2011 at 03:20:56 PM PDT

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  •  Isn't Medicare Advantage also (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Egalitare, Ice Blue

    a scam of some sorts?

  •  Elect Setti Warren. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Matt Z

    Live simply so that others may simply live.

    by Ann T Bush on Tue May 24, 2011 at 03:13:53 PM PDT

  •  The Democrats made this bed. (1+ / 0-)
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    cdreid

    They'd better find a way to talk their way out of it.

    •  There's nothing to talk out of (1+ / 0-)
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      Ice Blue

      Only 25% of Seniors have Advantage plans. Most Seniors can't afford the option.

      The "cuts" to Medicare are subsidies to make the Advantage plans "affordable." So one could make the argument that we are currently discounting a "velvet rope" to the most affluent Seniors.

      The so-called "rising tide" is lifting only yachts.

      by Egalitare on Tue May 24, 2011 at 03:47:49 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know about (0+ / 0-)

        the demographics of who buys Medicare Advantage, but these are not the Cadillac plans by any means. People buy them because the premiums are lower and they throw in some extras to make them look like a good deal. But those who can afford the premiums of Medigap plans usually prefer them (if they understand what they're buying).

        The Medicare Rights Center lists these disadvantages of Medicare Advantage Plans:

        Care can cost more than it would under original Medicare.
        Private plans are not stable and may suddenly cease coverage.
        Members may experience difficulty getting emergency or urgent care.
        Because plans only cover certain doctors, the continuity of care is often broken when the plan drops a provider.
        Members have to follow plan rules to get covered care.
        Members are restricted in their choices of doctors, hospitals, and other providers.
        It can be difficult to get care away from home.
        The extra benefits offered often turn out to be less than promised.
        People with both Medicare and Medicaid can encounter higher costs.

        The extra money these plans cost Medicare do not necessarily translate into a good deal for the patients.

        We decided to move the center farther to the right by starting the whole debate from a far-right position to begin with. - Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay

        by denise b on Tue May 24, 2011 at 08:42:42 PM PDT

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  •  I say Harry Reid should force... (0+ / 0-)

    ...Republicans to walk the plank and cast a vote on the GOP House's irresponsible Ryan plan.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by alaprst on Tue May 24, 2011 at 03:22:27 PM PDT

  •  Let them. (0+ / 0-)

    That's when you turn around and say..   "Scott Brown is right.  Medicare is sancrosanct and it should be completely off the table.  Which is why I committing right now, right here that I will oppose any tampering of Medicare benefits.  It would wonderful if my colleague Scott Brown would also commit to standby Medicare."

  •  What is Medicare Advantage? (0+ / 0-)

    thanks

  •  The Democrats need to keep their hands off (2+ / 0-)
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    antirove, Tommy Allen

    of Medicare, SS, and Medicaid for the time being at least. Even the slightest tweak will be used against them by the Republicans "look what the Democrats are doing to Medicare!" They will be far better to have the Repubs accusing them of ignoring it than having to fight fraudulent claims that the Dems are also destroying it.  I sincerely hope the Democrats take the gift Republicans have handed them and do not adulterate it with meddling of their own.

  •  Isn't Medicare Advantage to be replaced? (0+ / 0-)

    Isn't Medicare Advantage a big give-away to the private insurers, and the Dems decided that REPLACING it with regular Medicare would be a more cost-effective way of providing what it provides?

    If so, there's no "there there" in the Republicans' attack. Nobody is losing anything.

    Is this not true? Some knowledgable person, please enlighten me if it's not! This is what I thought.

    Republicans: ten-time gold medalists in synchronized stupidity ~ Hunter

    by cedubose on Tue May 24, 2011 at 03:58:00 PM PDT

  •  They'll do anything. They'll say anything. (0+ / 0-)

    All they want is power.  Once they have the power, it's obvious what they'll do with it.  They're telegraphing that they're lying but a large segment of the populace will believe them.   Unfortunately that includes a large segment of the national corporate media.

    A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

    by dougymi on Tue May 24, 2011 at 04:00:42 PM PDT

  •  And the American people are STUPID enough (0+ / 0-)

    to believe this Repug argument

  •  That's it? (0+ / 0-)

    So?  Big deal.

  •  Breaking: Obama using super powers to punish red (0+ / 0-)

    states.

    God is the problem, not the solution.

    by Sam Wise Gingy on Tue May 24, 2011 at 04:57:48 PM PDT

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