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No question about it, Jon Huntsman openly supported imposing an individual health insurance mandate:

Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman on Sep. 28, 2007—KUED Utah
Key quote:
JULIE ROSE (KCPW): One of the recommendations in that proposal is that all Utahns be required to have health insurance of some sort, and those who are not able to afford it would be paid for by the state through one of the state's health programs. It's a mandate of health insurance. Are you comfortable with that, with requiring every Utahn to get health insurance?

GOV. HUNTSMAN: I'm comfortable with a requirement. You can call it whatever you want, but at some point we're going to have to get serious about how we deal with this issue and that means there will have to be a multitude of different policies that are available in the marketplace. It means that it will be more incumbent on citizens to look at responsibility, there own responsibility in terms of health, and the choices that are made. It likely will mean that we'll be in an environment with better prices, more options, more access and availability.

There is a mandate today, let us not forget, and it's called the emergency room. You show up in the emergency room, and you get covered. Who pays the bills? Taxpayers pay the bills. Companies pay the bills. So we're living in an environment today where there already is a mandate in place.

Case closed, not just on the whether Huntsman used to be pro-mandate, but on his campaign as a whole. You can't run for president as a Republican in 2012 if you're a mandate supporting former member of the Obama administration.

Unless the GOP decides to do an about face and acknowledge health care reform was a good thing, this is more great news for Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Sarah Palin, and everyone else on the GOP Ship of Fools who hasn't flip-flopped on the individual mandate. (In addition to Jon Hunstman, Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty, and Newt Gingrich already have changed their positions.)

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  •  If you want to cover everyone (16+ / 0-)

    either you require everyone to buy, or the government buys for everyone.

    There's really only two ways to reach that goal. Either every individual must buy what they want, or the government supplies insurance.

    The GOP guys chose the more conservative approach back two years ago before the Tea Brained redefined "conservative" to mean "Let poor people die screaming".


    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:02:36 AM PDT

    •  Universal Medicare (9+ / 0-)

      Why can't Dems shout it from the rooftops?

      Readers & Book Lovers Pull up a chair! You're never too old to be a Meta Groupie

      by Limelite on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:09:24 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Umm not to be picky (1+ / 0-)
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      blue aardvark

      but either way you buy. Either you buy directly from private or you buy indirectly by having the premium added to your tax bill. Now granted one would/should obviously less expensive than the other.

      In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

      by jsfox on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:31:33 AM PDT

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      •  That depends (0+ / 0-)

        If I'm so poor I pay no Federal income tax, and the government pays for this using general revenue (not Medicare revenue) then I'm pretty much getting it for free.


        In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

        by blue aardvark on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:36:47 AM PDT

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        •  I doubt (0+ / 0-)

          seriously that free would ever be a real option. While you income may be  low enough that you get most of your Federal withholding refunded tax I have a feeling what you won't get back is your low contribution to a government run health care system. The same way you do not get FICA withholding back.

          In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

          by jsfox on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:46:42 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  we chose the conservative approach too. (0+ / 0-)
      There's really only two ways to reach that goal. Either every individual must buy what they want, or the government supplies insurance.

      The GOP guys chose the more conservative approach

      That's why, despite all the partisan patter, both parties essentially have the same plan for health care--buy insurance or else.

      Why we celebrate that continuously on the FP, and cheer the fact that the Repug plan and our plan are one and the same, I don't know.

      •  Because we covered everyone (0+ / 0-)

        with subsidies for those who couldn't afford to buy on their own.

        Why preventing 44,000 deaths per year and untold misery is not worth applauding escapes me.


        In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

        by blue aardvark on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 02:00:09 PM PDT

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        •  a liberal program would have done the same thing. (0+ / 0-)

          Why adopting a Repug-proposed and health-industry-written approach is worth applauding, particularly when a plain old-fashioned liberal plan (remember what liberal plans used to look like before we gave them all up?) would have covered everyone too and done it far more cheaply and better, escapes me.

          But then, I still haven't figured out why mandates are bad bad bad when Repugs propose them, but the greatest thing evahhhh when we propose them.

          Unless it's just a matter of "It's OK If You Are A Democrat".

          When both parties propose the same plan and both parties STILL fight and bitch over it, it's a sure sign that it's all just partisan patter and posturing, on both sides, and none of it means anything substantial.  There simply is no real disagreement.

          •  So your argument is that the better plan (0+ / 0-)

            was not adopted. I'll stipulate that.

            That's a very different argument than that the plan which was adopted was not better than the status quo.

            And no public option could ever have gotten past Joe Lieberman, and there is no way to blame Barack Obama and/or Harry Reid for Joe Lieberman being a piece of work in 2009 when he was a piece of work in [2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, ...].

            So given that the Democrats passed a plan that taxes the rich in order to save the lives of thousands of people per year and prevents untold suffering, I think they deserve praise.

            Why is that so hard to understand? It's better than nothing. It saves ~100 times as many American lives per year as ending the wars would save.

            You tell someone who would die of untreated illness but instead will live that they should choose death in protest of the lack of single payer. I don't think your argument will resonate.


            In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

            by blue aardvark on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 02:40:27 PM PDT

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            •  my argument is that the better plan was never even (0+ / 0-)

              on the table.  The Dems simply didn't want it. The Dem idea for health care and the Repug idea for health care were, as we have already seen (and are still seeing now) the same. The Repugs, after all, didn't have a damn thing to do with gutting HCR--the Repugs were on the sidelines, utterly impotent, and not even in on the discussion.  It was DEMS who gutted HCR.

              As for "saving thousands", HCR does no such thing----it does not provide health care to anyone.  It forces those "thousands" to buy high-deductible shit policies that won't allow them to see a doctor anyway when they need it.

              BTW, I was one of those thousands of uninsured that you are waving your arms about---and I was against the bill.  It didn't do a damn thing to help me or anyone like me.

              So you can take your "if you oppose this then you want poor people to die !!!!!!!!!" silliness and stow it.  It's just as idiotic as the Repug braying about "they want to kill your granny!!!!!!"

              •  btw, for me and people like me, the ACA is worse (0+ / 0-)

                than nothing.  Before ACA, I could not afford to see a doctor when I needed to.  After ACA, I still can't afford to see a doctor when I need to -- but now I'm forced to pay some shitty insurance company for that privilege.

                Gee, thanks.

              •  You ignore the subsidies (0+ / 0-)

                Which is a rather large fallacy.

                And everything that came out of the House included a public option so it is simply a lie to say it was never on the table. Yeah, the evil Obama had Pelosi put it in just so he could have Lieberman take it out, that must be it.

                You are talking out your ass, Lenny.


                In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

                by blue aardvark on Thu Jun 02, 2011 at 05:59:03 AM PDT

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  •  Yet another Mormon Socialist, (8+ / 0-)

    at least in the fervid minds of the Teaparty crackpots. It is tough being a Republican these days, but I can't say I feel sorry for any of them.

    We have only just begun and none too soon.

    by global citizen on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:03:22 AM PDT

  •  What harder to say...? (3+ / 0-)

    "I made a mistake" or "yes, I think mandated health insurance is a good thing"?

    Mmmmmmmmm...hard call right there for a GOP politician this election cycle.

    "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

    by grannyhelen on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:03:53 AM PDT

  •  the best argument ever made for ObamaCare (14+ / 0-)

    by is by Huntsman....this should be an ad..

    There is a mandate today, let us not forget, and it's called the emergency room. You show up in the emergency room, and you get covered. Who pays the bills? Taxpayers pay the bills. Companies pay the bills. So we're living in an environment today where there already is a mandate in place.

    ....thank you Huntsman....

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

    by tuma on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:04:16 AM PDT

  •  Huntsman is waaaaaaaaaaay too conventional (2+ / 0-)
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    MikeTheLiberal, bear83

    He'll get eaten alive by rabid crazed teabaggers.

    The Republicans' smartest choice doesn't stand a ghost of a chance because of . . . . Republicans.

    Fuck with the truth at your own peril. -Anonymous

    by thenekkidtruth on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:05:10 AM PDT

  •  There is a treasure trove..... (5+ / 0-)

    of statements just like this on a variety of issues that will nail Huntsman.

    He gave a weekly presser on KUED.

  •  Huntsman strikes me as the most solid threat in (7+ / 0-)

    the general, but (at this point anyway) that means he doesn't have a chance in hell of making it through the primaries.

    What are the chances of the GOP base becoming rational voters in the next eight months?

    They only call it Class War when we fight back.

    by lineatus on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:06:18 AM PDT

  •  Huntsman also worked for the Obama admin. (5+ / 0-)

    Translation: He's screwed. Nada chance in hell for success.

    Mission accomplished, WMD's, no one could have predicted a breech of the levees, mobile weapons labs, aluminium tubes, yellowcake, I just dont think about him that much, 1% solutions, trust Curveball, Saddam harbors Al Qaeda, mistakes were made...

    by A Runner on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:07:22 AM PDT

  •  Does the Sighting of One Example (2+ / 0-)
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    MikeTheLiberal, Superpole

    prove that the thought-to-be-extinct species of Reasonable Republican isn't?

    Readers & Book Lovers Pull up a chair! You're never too old to be a Meta Groupie

    by Limelite on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:08:28 AM PDT

    •  Well there's Reasonable Republicans (0+ / 0-)

      and there's Republicans who can win a primary. 2 completely different things. Ask Lisa Murkowski.

      There should never be a tax benefit for companies that screw over American workers.

      by bear83 on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:21:11 AM PDT

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    •  They are in hiding, much as (0+ / 0-)

      the mammals kept low and quiet until the dinosaurs died out.

      In the eighties, Bob Dole said something to the effect of "Newt's all for new ideas. He doesn't HAVE any. He's just FOR them". Listen five minutes to Newt and you'll see it's still true.

      by Inland on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:45:23 AM PDT

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  •  Oh, not that Emergency Room BS again (1+ / 0-)
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    james321

    We need to make it so that the ER is used for real emergencies.  Take care of our fellow Americans!

    "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

    by MikeTheLiberal on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:08:48 AM PDT

    •  What he said make sense (3+ / 0-)
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      greendem, Rich in PA, Matt Z

      We have decided that health care is a right, and that taxpayers will pay for it. If you show up gravely ill at an emergency room you will be treated, and taxpayers will pay if no one else does.


      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

      by blue aardvark on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:23:05 AM PDT

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  •  Spelling error on transcription (0+ / 0-)

    It reads,

    It means that it will be more incumbent on citizens to look at responsibility, there own responsibility in terms of health,

    That would be their own responsibility.

    "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

    by MikeTheLiberal on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:09:38 AM PDT

  •  It is not clear from video (0+ / 0-)

    if the discussion was in regards to a national program or statewide only, or unspecified as to its scope.

    What was the context before the start of this video?

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:12:19 AM PDT

    •  There you go! (1+ / 0-)
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      nextstep

      That's his out. I was wondering who would be the first to catch that. It will all be forgiven and forgotten if he was addressing the issue on a state level. It seems only the feds really irk the baggers.

      There is nothing more exciting than the truth. - Richard P. Feynman

      by pastol on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 11:55:03 AM PDT

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  •  oh yay! I'm gonna book the ER for my next (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    DSPS owl

    physical, and let those dumb taxpayers pick up the bill!

    Thanks for the tip, Jonny!

  •  If this Ship of Fools is a rockin'… (0+ / 0-)

    …oh god, I'm seasick.

    Teh stoopidTM, it hurts. Buy smart, union-printed, USA-made, signs, stickers, swag for everyone: DemSign.com. NN Booth 712

    by DemSign on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:14:51 AM PDT

  •  I keep (1+ / 0-)
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    OldGrandet

    hearing about how supporting mandates is going to "kill" a candidate in the GOP primaries but I'm left wondering whether it really will.

    It's the policy stupid

    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:14:58 AM PDT

    •  Reasonable question, (0+ / 0-)

      but I think it's a sensational issue and thus sure to come up in the debates, press conferences, town halls, etc. I see it as a gaffe minefield and a huge liability for a candidate.

      •  Well (0+ / 0-)

        I think actually voting for Obama's HCR would be a definite killer but since none of them voted for it, I'm not sure how it's going to play out on that end.

        Anyway, Gringrich didn't shoot himself in the foot over mandates which he supported in the past. He shot himself in the foot over his statements w/r/t Ryancare.

        It's the policy stupid

        by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:31:13 AM PDT

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  •  Every Republican voted for a mandate (2+ / 0-)
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    Rich in PA, wsexson

    Every Republican in congress voted to mandate everyone under 55 buy private insurance policies when they turn 65.

    Think about that.

    •  It was. Democrats used to oppose the idea... (2+ / 0-)
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      chuckvw, wsexson

      But here in the United States of Amnesia, we've now been sold the idea that mandates are a good thing.  

      The Patriot Act: IOKIYAD!

      by Beelzebud on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:25:26 AM PDT

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      •  No matter what (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Aquarius40

        came out in the end there would have been a mandate. The PO would have still required a mandate that you purchase insurance. The difference you would have had the option of buying a government run plan or a private plan.

        In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

        by jsfox on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:36:35 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, but sadly, we will pay for plans (1+ / 0-)
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          DSPS owl

          that include 20+% overhead to pay CEOs and stockholders instead of the <5% overhead we could get from Medicare buy-in.

          Niether Democrats or Republicans seeem to be able to imagine a world with there is no private moneychangers between the patient and doctor.

          We live in the United States of Wall Street.

          •  Again (0+ / 0-)

            "Neither Democrats or Republicans seem to be able to imagine a world with there is no private moneychangers between the patient and doctor."

            Actually there are quite a few Dems who can imagine such a world. Sadly there are just enough who cannot.

            Finally, and again not to be picky, but even Medicare get's between you and your doctor and in order for it to survive it will probably have to get between you and your D. more as decisions will need to be made on treatment vs outcome. Especially around end of life care.

            As long  as you have insurance and I don't care who provides there will be someone in the middle.

            In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

            by jsfox on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:59:27 AM PDT

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            •  I get it (1+ / 0-)
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              DSPS owl

              But that middleman should work for the American people, not a private corporation and take as small a cut as needed to run the program.

              Health Insurance as a profit-making venture is immoral and should be outlawed.

              Remember the only time Jesus really kicked ass?

  •  Huntsman's candidacy is a fluke. He's a (0+ / 0-)

    Media creation propping him up as some kind of unbeatable force. The guy's disloyalty will sink him.

  •  any serious leader of this country should (1+ / 0-)
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    DSPS owl

    support a mandate. Kind of the basic concept of a civil society. All pay in to share the burden.

  •  well, loyal liberal democrat that i am, (0+ / 0-)

    i liked huntsman when he was our governor. probably because he really is a democrat. his turnarounds on health care and climate have me deeply disappointed. he'll be turning his back on civil unions any day now.......

    huntsman supports civil unions

    "You've got to stop this war in Afghanistan." final words of R Holbrooke

    by UTvoter on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:23:30 AM PDT

  •  Does he still think the green tie was a good idea? (1+ / 0-)
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    Matt Z

    If he should regret anything about his appearance on that show, that was it.

  •  Y'know, I get this. (2+ / 0-)
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    chuckvw, Matt Z

    I understand why there's a mandate problem among the republican candidates and why it's good to show their hypocracy and all.

    What I'm a little more troubled by is how far we've drifted in this discussion.  Are we saying "Ha! Caught you supporting a once-Republican idea!"  when we should be saying "How the hell did we get stuck with this once-Republican idea?"

    I love the horse race.  And I'm happy when these bastards get tripped up on their own bile. But the big news in health care is over in the state single payer movement.

  •  Really? Just Watch Him Run... (0+ / 0-)
    Case closed, not just on the whether Huntsman used to be pro-mandate, but on his campaign as a whole. You can't run for president as a Republican in 2012 if you're a mandate supporting former member of the Obama administration.

    Uhhhh, no.

    again, please step outside of bubble bloggo world and face the reality we deal with:

    * clownservative voters don't do reason or logic.

    * clownservative voters have short memories and generally are stupid.

    * clownservatives have selective morals/ethics. if a democrat does something wrong, they're all over him like a bad suit. if a repuglican does the exact same thing; it's "oh well, it's just politics", or "no problem, he was just 'sowing his oats'".

    if you're hoping Huntsman's record gets you anywhere with moderates or independents; I don't think there's much traction there.

    "I don't feel the change yet". Velma Hart

    by Superpole on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:31:22 AM PDT

  •  Yay! A *right-wing* suicide squad! (3+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, Matt Z, james321

    Seriously, maybe the continual taking-out of moderate GOP candidates who can succeed, will either:

    a) cure the modern GOP of its insanity, or
    b) leave them on their way out as a party,

    Either way, good news for sanity.

    "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton | http://ideaddicted.blogspot.com

    by jbeach on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:34:34 AM PDT

  •  Thanks rec'ed Jed (1+ / 0-)
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    james321

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:52:36 AM PDT

  •  Akin to: The enemy of my enemy is my friend (0+ / 0-)

    At one time the GOP was for mandate.

    Dems pass law with mandate.

    GOP now says: The mandate of my enemy is not my mandate.

  •  Oooh two nails in the coffin (0+ / 0-)

    Obama and healthcare.  I'm still a little scared of him. Will the GOP wise up and find someone like him to run so they have a fighting chance? Or does the Tea Party have them by the bolas?

  •  "Jon Huntsman openly supported (1+ / 0-)
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    james321

    imposing an individual health insurance mandate:"

    STONE HIM!!!

    "Activism begins with you, Democracy begins with you, get out there, get active! Tag, you're it!" Thom Hartmann

    by glogrrl on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 11:05:17 AM PDT

  •  waste of electrons, reporting on this guy (0+ / 0-)

    PPP says he's got one supporter (not one percent).

    One Supporter.................in Iowa.


    may we not be strangers in the lush province of joy - Charles Wright

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 11:15:39 AM PDT

  •  "Very unique" (0+ / 0-)

    Kills me every time.... Unique means one of a kind.  There are no varying degrees of uniqueness.

    "The political system, including elections, is carefully managed to prevent the threat of democracy."  ~Noam Chomsky

    -7.38, -6.97

    by cotasm on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 10:34:36 AM PDT

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