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Top Democratic leaders urged U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner to resign on Saturday, calling the disgraced Democrat's actions "indefensible" after admitting sending graphic photos to women online.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., the chair of the Democratic National Committee, and Steve Israel, chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, released statements within minutes of each other Saturday.

As of this writing, Weiner still insists that he will not step down.

Update: According to Ben Smith at Politico (via twitter), Weiner's office has issued a statement:

“Cong. Weiner departed this morning to seek professional treatment to focus on becoming a better husband and healthier person ... In light of that, he will request a short leave of absence from the House of Representatives so that he can get evaluated ... and map out a course of treatment to make himself well ... Congressman Weiner takes the views of his colleagues very seriously & has determined that he needs this time to get healthy and make the best decision possible for himself, his family and his constituents.”


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    •  Democratic Surrender Monkeys (18+ / 0-)

      As soon as they're successful in throwing away one more Democratic vote, the Republicans will be hot on the trail of eliminating as many more Democratic politicians as possible.

      Whether it takes a hoax, or combing through the garbage (literal or figurative) they'll find something picayune, Fox will bray night and day.

      And the Democrats will help them.

      When Vitter resigns, them that's the day (no, even not then) that Weiner should.

    •  The ONLY people with a say in this are his (7+ / 0-)

      constituents.  Everyone else should just chill the hell out.

      " ... or a baby's arm holding an apple!"

      by Lavocat on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:16:37 PM PDT

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    •  He's a bald-faced liar who (1+ / 0-)
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      nearly got away with it. Why should anyone trust him for the time of day, let alone an office of public trust?

      •  He's a politician! (0+ / 0-)

        Of course he's a bald faced liar. What he did is creepy, but it should be his constituents who make the call.

        What bothers me is when politicians/pundits of proven deficient character like Ed Rendell (an adulterous Liebercrat) are calling for his resignation.

        Of course disloyalty (along with cowardice) is a core value of this generation of Democratic politicians.

    •  I disagree (2+ / 0-)
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      VClib, erush1345

      He's a massive political liability.  Can you imagine any Democrat being willing to be photographed with him, especially someone running for office in 2012?  Such a picture would, of course, be published far and wide by his/her Republican opponent.  For god sakes, there's a picture of Weiner's erect weiner all over the internet. Calling Weiner damaged goods is an insult to damaged goods.  He's got to go or he will be used against Dems over and over and over.

      •  He's only a liability if the Dems acknowledge (0+ / 0-)

        the story. Which they should not do. They should talk about matters of substance, and AW's penis does not qualify.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 04:13:18 PM PDT

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        •  Acknowledge the story?! (1+ / 0-)
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          Seriously, you think if Democrats don't mention Weiner no one, including independents and Republicans, will regard Weiner as a liability?  Please, he's an albatross.  Name one Democrat who would voluntarily have his/her picture taken with Weiner now.

          •  Who cares? (1+ / 0-)
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            Who cares whether anyone wants their picture taken with him? How many seats did Vitter cost the Republicans?

            Either you're an active and deliberate Republican operative, or you're just a ridiculous dupe, but the leadership shouldn't say one fucking thing about this non-story, because every word they do say just garners more negative attention.

            Falling into the trap of denouncing Weiner is simply handing the field to the Republicans. The Weiner scandal is irrelevant. He'll probably be reelected by his constituents, regardless of the fact that no bigshots will be coming to his fundraisers. There are 435 seats in the house to be fought over, let Weiner fight for his while the Dem leadership fights for others.

            To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

            by UntimelyRippd on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 05:39:44 PM PDT

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            •  Now you're name calling?! (1+ / 0-)
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              I'm a "Republican operative" or a "ridiculous dupe"?!  Wow.  I guess that means House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and
              Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz are also "ridiculous dupes," unless you think they are secretly Republican operatives.  I love conspiracy theorists!

              You're in denial, period.

              •  No, Pelosi and W-S are big-time Democratic (0+ / 0-)

                Party conventional-thinking losers, something that wasn't really, absolutely clear until they took the pointlessly self-destructive two-pronged approach of:
                a. helping the republicans to keep the weiner story breathing
                b. siding with the republicans on the weiner story.

                they are officially dumbasses now, but they aren't dupes -- only small-potatoes folk get to be dupes.

                To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

                by UntimelyRippd on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 10:54:28 PM PDT

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                •  More name calling, part deux?! (0+ / 0-)

                  Wow, I guess you didn't get the memo -- name calling is a sure sign that you can't win an argument on the merits.

                  "Keep the Weiner story breathing."  You've got to be kidding, right? You think that Pelosi and Schultz's demands that Weiner resign are "keeping the Weiner story breathing"?  Go to Google News right now and type in "Weiner," you will get thousands of articles.

                  I just did that, and here are the results:


                  Weiner Opts for Treatment as New Self Portraits Emerge
                  Fox News - Chad Pergram - ‎1 hour ago‎
                  Anthony Weiner, DN.Y., enters his home in New York after running errands in his neighborhood. Dismissing calls by Democratic leaders for him to resign over a sexting scandal, Rep. Anthony Weiner says he's taking a leave of absence and checking himself ...
                  Video: Weiner Seeks Professional Treatment Amid Scandal The Associated Press
                  Weiner debacle a case study in what not to do The Star-Ledger -
                  Weiner enters rehab AHN | All Headline News
                  Salon -
                  all 3,096 news articles »

                  •  You think like them. (0+ / 0-)

                    And you will lose with them, and drag all the rest of us with you.

                    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

                    by UntimelyRippd on Sun Jun 12, 2011 at 11:44:54 AM PDT

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                    •  Them? (0+ / 0-)

                      Them being 3,096 journalists? LOL!

                      BTW, when are you running for office?  Since you know more about winning strategies for Dems than Pelosi and Schultz, you should be a shoe in!

                      •  Ah, yes. (0+ / 0-)

                        "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?"

                        Tea Party logic at its finest.

                        3096 journalists? The same ones who stood stupidly aside while Reagan lied directly to both President Carter and millions of American voters, "There you go again, Mr. President, I never said that."? "Journalists" like George Will, who clandestinely prepped Reagan for the debate, including using the stolen briefing book, then afterwards appeared on TV as an apparently objective "journalist" and pronounced Reagan the victor? The same ones who having followed Bush head over heels into Afghanistan, seamlessly transmogrified the Taliban into just another arm of Al Qaeda (remember Mr. Lind, anyone); who blathered breathlessly about WMDs in Iraq, who trumpeted Mission Accomplished, who wrote magazine cover teasers like, "Must we torture?", who echoed the yellowcake lies and then cheerfully outed Plame on the administration's behalf? The same ones who pronounced Dean unelectable, after running a distorted tape of "the scream" in heavy rotation for 2 weeks? The same ones who pronounced Obama unelectable, who fell swooning before The Palin -- a person unqualified in every way to be, well, pretty much anything at all -- when they should have simply said, flat out, "This person is unqualified to be, well pretty much anything at all, and John McCain's choice of her is an insult to every American who ever drew a free breath."? Those journalists?

                        Journalists? Journalists? You're going to appeal to the wisdom of journalists? The journalists -- the media -- are the enemies of the Democratic Party in general, and of progressive politics in particular. Playing along with their idiotic narrative is dancing down a long ridiculous road of self-debasement and self-defeat. They work for the bad people. They advance the agenda of the bad people. That is their purpose.

                        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

                        by UntimelyRippd on Sun Jun 12, 2011 at 12:59:35 PM PDT

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                        •  Wow! (0+ / 0-)

                          You didn't just drink the kool-aid, you brewed it. Face it, regardless of what you think, Weiner is bad news for Dems. You're stubborn, but the facts are immovable. BTW, have you seen the new batch of Weiner photos taken by himself in the Congressional gym?  Yikes!  It's slow motion train wreck.

        •  But the media will acknowledge it (0+ / 0-)

          and won't let go of it.

          •  They sure won't let go of it as long as (0+ / 0-)

            the Dems keep talking about it.

            But you've established yourself elsewhere as one who doesn't grasp exactly how it is that the Dems lose and lose and lose, so it isn't surprising that you advocate the loser strategy here.

            To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

            by UntimelyRippd on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 05:40:49 PM PDT

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  •  Top Dem Leaders are Clueless (45+ / 0-)

    Should President Clinton have resigned for doing worse?

    Of course not.

    And neither should Congressman Weiner.

    Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project.

    by PatriciaVa on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:33:44 AM PDT

  •  Let his constituents decide (47+ / 0-)

    He did an incredibly dumb thing, but if he did not abuse the power of his office, then let his constituents, and his wife, deal with him.

    Birthers, President Obama just served you a steaming cup of STFU. Would you like cream and sugar?

    by TigerMom on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:34:09 AM PDT

  •  Hmm (8+ / 0-)

    I posted undecided.  What I am wondering is if this was just the tip of the iceberg and there is something else that they know of up on the hill and are trying to get him out before it surfaces.  He has pretty much shown his narcissistic side and might think he can muscle through whatever else is going to turn up. Only time will tell.

    "Those who can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

    by dancerat on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:36:25 AM PDT

    •  "released statements within minutes of each other" (7+ / 0-)

      Methinks there is indeed reason to believe that this could get worse, and leadership has had it with Weiner.

    •  Well, based on what you know now (4+ / 0-)
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      what do you think?

      It is perfectly fair to leave the option open to changing your position if the facts of the story change.

      Personally, based on what I know right now, I don't think that he should resign - if the story changes, I will reevaluate my position.

    •  Let's let this play out (2+ / 0-)
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      fayea, liberte

      I am tired of people dithering over things that are clearly personal matters, between a man and his wife, a man and his family, a man and his employers, the voters in his district.  If they all want him to stay, that's their choice, not yours, not mine, not Nancy Pelosi.  If Nancy Pelosi was such a rocket scientist about what we needed to do to control the House...   we'd be controlling the House.

      Besides, in a stroke (no pun intended, honest!) Congressman Weiner has shown himself to be by far the most tech-savvy Member of Congress.  He also knows how to connect with younger voters and he is willing to work nights to keep in touch with them.  What's not to like?  He just won over the sexting vote.  That's got to be worth something.

      When are we going to get over the legacy of the Salem Witch Trials?  No one rubbed parts, no one did non-consensual things, no one broke laws.  Risky behavior?  Oh yeah.  Is he a bit nuts?  Maybe, but he is also very, very smart and I think he can pull his act back together and make a valuable contribution to the life of our nation.  If we gave David "Hooker Boy" Vitter a chance for redemption, even though he is a complete dolt, the more so the same possibility of redemption be extended to Weiner and his weiner.  

      What's good for the John is good for the Sexter.

      •  No one broke laws? (0+ / 0-)

        Although I am admitted to practice in New York, I do not practice in New York and do not know the New York criminal code.  Further, I have not practiced in federal courts in recent years, although I am dimly aware that federal internet sex crimes (whatever they are) are punished witheringly these days.

        And I do not know where Congressman Weiner (who I presume to be innocent) allegedly tweeted, although New York and D.C. are the most likely suspects.  And I do not know what states, allegedly, he tweeted into.  

        If Weiner tweeted “obscene material” into my state, I am fairly sure that he could be prosecuted for promoting obscenity, or —depending on the facts— for promoting obscenity to a minor.  (Although if he tweeted anything to anywhere from the floor of Congress, his “speech” may be immune from prosecution.)  Both crimes are “A” misdemeanors (the most serious of misdemeanors here).  If he tweeted obscene material into my state six times, he could be prosecuted for six counts or prosecuted six times.  

        If he keeps it (the tweeting of obscene material) up, a second or subsequent conviction is a severity level 9 person felony, a rather more serious matter.  If the tweeting is to a minor, a second or subsequent conviction is a severity level 8 person felony, a still more serious matter.  

        Weiner has been a liberal loudmouth.  As such, he is a role model.  We need to speak up.  So I am not a critic of his work in Congress.  However, it is difficult to see how he can be productive in Congress in the future.  He is innocent until proven guilty.  

        I am a free speech, free prurience kind of guy, and I am not unaware that laws regulating “obscenity” are frequently subject to federal constitutional challenge, but it is most likely incorrect to impliedly assume both that everything that has been said about what he has done also and everything he has admitted are true, and to say that he has committed no crime.

        The world is clearly no longer Weiner's oyster.  But if I’m Weiner, I don’t know what I would do.  I certainly wouldn’t give much of a flip what my critics say.

    •  i don't trust anything he has to say now (4+ / 0-)
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      Delilah, RainyDay, Mgleaf, erush1345

      and why would any leader of the democratic party. sorry, but i no patience for these types of scandals. its a self inflicted humiliation that he's brought not just on himself, but on his family and on his professional colleagues. none of them deserve the fallout.

    •  I saw a headline earlier today on SFGate (2+ / 0-)
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      mike101, erush1345

      but didn't click on the story since I'm not trusting mainstream media on this one...I know a lot of people are out to get Weiner because of his healthcare stances.  However, the headline said something about one of the females Weiner was in contact with being 17 years old, and I thought then, "If there's any truth to that, Weiner is done and the Democratic leaders will call for him to resign."  So reading this diary now, I figured that's what prompted these calls for resignation...but maybe you're right and there is something else.  Weiner is the target of some very powerful forces and if there is something else, they are going to find it and it is going to come out, whatever Weiner might think (he strikes me as having Gary Hart's mentality).

      •  Do some research (0+ / 0-)

        The 17 year old was NOT one of his "sexting" partners, and not even the local cops could find any problems with the messages exchanged.

        It would probably be in his best interests to "defriend" her, or whatever the equivalent is. Never mind that it might hurt her feelings. Never mind that it might turn her off to politics. Never mind that it risks losing one more youth voter (she'll be eligible to vote next year).

        OMG we can't have male politicians communicating with underage voters in ANY way because Tweeting Leads To Sex!!! /snark

        If it's
        Not your body
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        AND it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 07:51:53 PM PDT

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  •  Never mind what voters in Weiner's dist. want (14+ / 0-)

    Pelosi is just trying to give herself political cover.

    Plutocracy too long tolerated leaves democracy on the auction block, subject to the highest bidder ~ Bill Moyers

    by Lefty Coaster on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:36:37 AM PDT

  •  We cannot wait to eat our own... (16+ / 0-)

    LOL- first pelosi wanted an it's straight up resignation...

    Is there pressure coming from somewhere else?

    "I'm not scared of anyone or anything, Angie. Isn't that the way life should be?" Jack Hawksmoor

    by skyounkin on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:37:10 AM PDT

  •  I think it's fine to leave it to his constituents (4+ / 0-)
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    Betty Pinson, satrap, jeff in nyc, LynChi

    I think it's indecent for him not to resign for being a liar and a creep, but there are lots of liars and creeps in Congress and I am not sure Weiner should be singled out by his party's leadership.  Ideally someone will primary him and win, precisely because it's a solidly Democratic district and nobody will believe the usual crap about not rocking the boat.

    It's better to curse the darkness than light a candle. --Whoever invented blogs, c.1996

    by Rich in PA on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:37:51 AM PDT

    •  All Politicians lie. Just as all people do. (5+ / 0-)

      The question is, are the politicians telling lies about something that effects me? Anthony's Weiner doesn't affect me, so I don't really care.

      Politicians telling lies about our social programs, tax cuts, economy, wars, etc., do affect me. They should resign. Their lies are far more profane than any Weiner told about his Facebook stupidity.

      The sleep of reason produces monsters.

      by Alumbrados on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:43:07 AM PDT

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      •  I hope constituents have enough self-regard... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...that they would rather not be represented by someone who's so far removed from what they would consider good behavior.  But that's for them to decide.

        It's better to curse the darkness than light a candle. --Whoever invented blogs, c.1996

        by Rich in PA on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:56:20 AM PDT

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      •  The idea that "All politicians lie" is one of the (1+ / 0-)
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        main reasons people distrust govt.

        If we allow this to go unpunished, then their belief is confirmed and they will continue to distrust govt.

        "Look, Weiner blatantly lied, and he's still in office.  All politicians lie.  Govt sucks."

        Moreover, when you are given clues that a pol has ethical problems, like when he or she gets caught blatantly lying on minor issues, then what makes you think they won't lie on larger issues?  You really want to ignore clear evidence?

        Finally, if this whole thing is just small potatoes and no big deal, then why did Weiner feel the need to lie in the first place?

        Supporting Weiner and bashing Obama should be a surefire path to victory in 2012.

        “Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law." - Jesus

        by Jose Bidenio on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 02:15:56 PM PDT

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        •  He probably lied because he didn't want... (0+ / 0-)

          ...his wife to know about it.

          I could care less about politicians that lie about what they do personally that doesn't affect my life. I do care when they lie about gov't programs and what they mean for America.

          The fact that so many people are up in arms about what Weiner did and not up in arms about the lies the GOP and some Dems are selling about "Austerity," and our social programs explains to me partly why this country is so ass halfed backwards.

          The sleep of reason produces monsters.

          by Alumbrados on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 09:45:22 PM PDT

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  •  Couple of factors here. (10+ / 1-)

    1. Weiner's taken care of his district but on policy, he's never been a leader. Go ahead. Look up his legislative activity.
    2. The teenage girl thing = last straw. Would be interesting to see if the polling of his constituents change after that bit of news sinks in.
    3. He doesn't work well with others. He doesn't have the backs of his colleagues, so it's not a surprise he has no friends now.

  •  There should be a resignation... (23+ / 0-)

    ...of every damned Republican doing their best to make our country fail, just so their party can win.

    It's sad to see Pelosi and Schultz behaving this ignorantly. I don't give a shit about Anthony's Weiner, it's jobs, the economy, and the effective looting of America by the wealthy that I see as major problems.

    The sleep of reason produces monsters.

    by Alumbrados on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:38:25 AM PDT

  •  Can someone explain (7+ / 0-)

    Why do male politicians keep doing these stupid sexual misbehaviors?  Is it some kind of compulsive risk-taking fascination?   I can't believe it could simply be the sex.

    What gives?

  •  Pelosi too? (5+ / 0-)

    You'd think they woulda learned from ACORN.  

    The two things Teabaggers hate most are: being called racists; and black people.

    by Punditus Maximus on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:38:35 AM PDT

    •  So, tell me how on Earth is ACORN, (5+ / 0-)

      and what it accomplished, at all comparable to Anthony Weiner?  Just being a target of Breitbart is not enough.  Weiner has given Breitbart credibility, ACORN did not.

      Many on Daily Kos show themselves completely out of touch with reality on a regular basis.

      Erase the Hypocrisy, Erase the Denialism, Erase the Racism

      by blindyone on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:53:23 AM PDT

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      •  It's throwing your friends (0+ / 0-)

        under the bus, and giving credibility to your opponents by doing so.

        Weiner's actions were venal sins at best.  Nothing compared to, for example, cruising restrooms looking for anonymous public sex.  Pelosi is legitimizing a media double standard that brutalizes Dems.

        The proper response to someone making an unfair accusation, even if it has some merit, is to come back hard.  Let your opponents handle the merits, if any.  They'll do that for you, no problem.  Don't negotiate with yourself, remember?  Too many of us liberals demand perfection instead of ordinary human decency.

        The two things Teabaggers hate most are: being called racists; and black people.

        by Punditus Maximus on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 08:16:00 PM PDT

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  •  So, by the logic of (1+ / 0-)
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    the rec list, Pelosi must have a small tallywacker.

    You've been fooled by April, and she's gone. . .

    by cardinal on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:38:43 AM PDT

  •  I really hope he doesn't resign. (9+ / 0-)

    In two months this will be ancient history.  Weiner never claimed to be a family values politician, and his personal behavior does nothing to diminish the work he's done as a congressman.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:39:24 AM PDT

  •  He is a distraction, period. (15+ / 0-)

    And if I was 17 years old and my parents found out I was engaging in conversation with a 46 year old man, they would be livid.  Not that the communication was inappropriate, what was inappropriate was that is was private.  But this is my opinion, if he decides to stay then he has to deal with losing his district (due to re-districting) or bounced out by his constituents.  What Dem leadership is afraid of is the unknown?  Is there another shoe to drop?  More sex pictures?  More underage girls?  If he admitted to 6 women he contacted, does anyone believe that?  I mean, that is what they are dealing with the unknown and trusting Weiner at this point, can not be trusted.

    •  Agreed completely (8+ / 0-)

      This blithe disregard for the fact that the possibility that there may well be more trouble from Weiner around the corner, is mind boggling to me.  Why do people here think they know better than the likes of Pelosi and Debbie WS (hardly milquetoast Dems )?  They're staking out this ground for a reason. Every day, there is another creepy revelation regarding Weiner.   Don't get me wrong -- I have been a huge supporter of this guy and his progressive stance.   I DO think it is hypocrisy that Vitter is still in the Senate and Ensign stayed to the bitter end... But that is not reason enough for me to be on the "stay" bandwagon.  I don't take GOP behavior as my guidepost. There comes a time when you become a liability and I think that time has come in Weiner case... precisely because he cannot be trusted and has become a huge distraction.  

      •  Maybe people have a rather (2+ / 0-)
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        dim opinion of Democrats' ability to manage the media, stick together, and present a unified front, and this is more evidence of that.  "Dems in disarray".  Why?  Many times, Democrats themselves are responsible.

        At the first sign of trouble, they abandon colleagues.

        Sure, more might be forthcoming, and maybe Pelosi et al will look like geniuses, but right now, they look like they're making sure the bandwagon is off and running.

        And politicians can no longer communicate with anyone under the age of 21?  

        "Don't act stupid just because you know how to"--

        by CT Voter on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:06:20 PM PDT

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      •  He's not a distraction (1+ / 0-)
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        This whole nonissue is.  Why are people telling us to look at the Congressman's crotch?  What's going on behind us while we're looking over here?

        Panties remaining unbunched on this one.

        You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

        by Johnny Q on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:31:11 PM PDT

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    •  Distraction from O's 9.1% unemployment (4+ / 0-)

      How can Obama ever hope to privatize entitlements with such distractions from his message of deficit hysteria?

  •  They never learn (14+ / 0-)

    They are probably thinking, "If we toss Weiner then we can get back to talking about what we want to talk about." But what really happens is it just creates a vacuum for the next faux scandal. A scandal that will be all the more likely because the opposition knows it will work. How do they know? Because of things like this.


    (This is not a defense of Weiner. He's an idiot. If he decides to resign then I'm fine with that. But it should be up to him, his family and his constituents. Not a bunch of pants-wetting leaders.)

    •  Not to mention (1+ / 0-)
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      the increased motivation for Andrew Breitbart to target more members of the Democratic Caucus.

      "Don't act stupid just because you know how to"--

      by CT Voter on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:07:48 PM PDT

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    •  "what we want to talk about" (2+ / 0-)
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      Lately at least, the Democratic party only actually talks about whatever the Republicans want to talk about.  The Democrats are not even slightly in control of the political conversation this country is having, or if they are then they're on the same page as the Republicans with the hair-on-fire freakout over the deficit whereas the majority of the country is far, far more concerned about the lack of jobs and the problem of inequal income distribution.

  •  If the pics were unsolicited, he should. (3+ / 0-)
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    If it was between consenting adults, it should be his decision.
    And if the messages to the 17 year old were of a sexual nature, and he knew or should have known she was a minor, he should resign. If not, then it's his decision.

  •  Will Weiner still have a district? (8+ / 0-)

    N.Y. is losing two House seats and Weiner might lose his district in the process.

    Plutocracy too long tolerated leaves democracy on the auction block, subject to the highest bidder ~ Bill Moyers

    by Lefty Coaster on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:40:23 AM PDT

  •  if pelosi is serious (1+ / 0-)
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    strip weiner of his committee assignments, it's you're fired congressional style

  •  It's up to the voters in his district. (5+ / 0-)

    They probably should just censure him and move on.

    But, man, he was an idiot.

    Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

    by Bush Bites on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:40:47 AM PDT

  •  becomes a diff. story with underaged young wo- (3+ / 1-)
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    men involved, I'm afraid. (Still not sure he's breaking any laws, but dumb just got a lot dumber.)

    OTOH, we've now got a well-established pattern of Dems cutting off their noses every time a new scandal erupts (even as they claim to be more "liberal" on social issues), Repubs talking (instead) about reforming past behavior and hanging tough. Disappointed that Pelosi, Schulz can at least point out Repub hypocrisy as they signal that Weiner must take the fall.

    Let's let the pols do the selling out, you and I keep fighting for what's right.

    by Matthew Detroit on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:41:10 AM PDT

    •  Didn't happen (7+ / 0-)

      If you're a Dem, please stop repeating GOP crap talking points.


      I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens. --Britney Spears

      by Betty Pinson on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:43:31 AM PDT

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      •  was NYTimes headline all day today--if he wasn't (1+ / 0-)
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        communicating with a 17-year-old, let me know. And why this merits a hide rate? ? ?

        Let's let the pols do the selling out, you and I keep fighting for what's right.

        by Matthew Detroit on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 01:43:53 PM PDT

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        •  "Communicating", NOT "sexting" (1+ / 0-)
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          He said there wasn't anything "inappropriate". SHE said there wasn't anything "inappropriate". Her PARENTS said there wasn't anything "inappropriate". The COPS said there wasn't anything "inappropriate".

          Maybe Weiner SHOULD resign, but ONLY because the Anti-Sex League will never again believe that ANY communication he has with ANY woman other than his wife could POSSIBLY be innocent or harmless.

          Dr Frederic Wertham almost destroyed the comic-book industry with much, much less.

          If it's
          Not your body
          Then it's
          Not your choice
          AND it's
          None of your damn business!

          by TheOtherMaven on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 02:49:07 PM PDT

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      •  please explain your hide rate or apologize, thx* (0+ / 0-)

        Let's let the pols do the selling out, you and I keep fighting for what's right.

        by Matthew Detroit on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 01:48:44 PM PDT

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        •  You're lying (0+ / 0-)

          You're implying that Weiner was sexting underage women.  LE investigated and found no evidence of such.

          I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens. --Britney Spears

          by Betty Pinson on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 01:58:49 PM PDT

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          •  "Lying," huh? And you were active during (1+ / 0-)
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            the Clinton years? Wow. I've been politically active my entire life, and not working for DLC or AIPAC pols, either, that's for sure.

            Just to repeat--because if you work at that sub-stratum of political awareness it may be necessary: totally his business whoever he twitters with (lame, very lame, from what I've read, but his business). If it's an underaged girl--as related in the NYTimes story (which I just went and re-read) not cool. Not Vitter-level disgusting, depraved, and illegal uncool. But still very uncool. You are welcome to let your daughter text with the guy; I would not let mine.

            As for hide-rating me for offering my opinion: butt stupid.

            Let's let the pols do the selling out, you and I keep fighting for what's right.

            by Matthew Detroit on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 02:12:17 PM PDT

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            •  Many members of Congress (3+ / 1-)
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              and their staffers correspond with young people by email.  Its a good thing and shouldn't be discouraged.

              LE already said Weiner's emails to young women were innocent, innocuous.

              So repeating that rumor means you're a liar.  Repeating it more often doesn't make it true.  Shades of the Clinton years.

              Go back to red state.

              I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens. --Britney Spears

              by Betty Pinson on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 02:16:36 PM PDT

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              •  when former low-level operatives for dick- (0+ / 1-)
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                head Dem sellouts come here--with Britney Spears quotations--to discipline people for offering their considered opinions, you know their careers may be at a dead end. And if you think being such a twit that you think that your own children twittering with other pol twits is profound or inspired? ? ? Wow, just wow; glad I am not you. Bet my child grows up to be a real progressive and yours. . . to swallow more bilge.

                Let's let the pols do the selling out, you and I keep fighting for what's right.

                by Matthew Detroit on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 02:34:15 PM PDT

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                •  LOL (0+ / 0-)

                  Glad you like my Britney Spears quote - you do realize its snark, don't you?

                  Give me a clue - for whom am I a low level operative?  

                  Yeah, I feel sorry for your kids.  

                  I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens. --Britney Spears

                  by Betty Pinson on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 02:43:46 PM PDT

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              •  HR'd for accusing long time Kossack of trolling (0+ / 0-)
                Go back to red state.

                Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Republican. But I repeat myself. Harry Truman

                by ratcityreprobate on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 02:52:39 PM PDT

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            •  You are presuming guilt and that's MORE uncool. (0+ / 0-)

              If you had been a parent int he 1950's, you would have burned your child's comic-book collection because Dr. Frederic Wertham said they were "indecent" and "contributed to the delinquency of minors". Never mind the child's rights, never mind free speech, never mind anything but "Comics are EEEEvil!"

              (1950's comics were for the most part far more innocuous than anything published today.)

              If it's
              Not your body
              Then it's
              Not your choice
              AND it's
              None of your damn business!

              by TheOtherMaven on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 02:53:49 PM PDT

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    •  Would you want your 17 yr old daughter... (11+ / 0-)

      having private messages/conversations with a 46 yr old man?  I mean, think about it.  

      •  I wouldn't necessarily, but (4+ / 0-)

        it would be awesome if there was a transcript and it read like a lesson in parliamentary procedure or how things work in Congress.

        It's just weird to imagine a guy like that would ever ever want to private text innocent stuff to an unknown minor who lived in a different state.  Can any of us imagine having any LESS interest than carrying on a text conversation with an unknown youth?

        From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

        by satrap on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:50:12 AM PDT

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      •  He's a not just an anybody. (4+ / 0-)

        Teenagers are always speaking with teachers, coaches and community leaders.

        Notice: This Comment © 2011 ROGNM

        by ROGNM on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:58:28 AM PDT

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      •  My kids used to send and receive (9+ / 0-)

        emails from their representatives (both Dem and GOP) frequently when in middle and high school.  I encouraged them to send emails to ask questions and learn.  

        I'll admit, for educational purposes and occasionally due to time constraints, my kids also attended district meetings and lobbying calls with state and federal legislators.  

        In some cases, they developed long term friendships with their elected officials.  When my son was in a serious car accident and nearly died, he received regular emails from his senator, wishing him well and checking on his progress.

        To somehow distort this practice is wrong.  Kids and young adults should be encouraged to interact with elected officials so they can learn that government isn't bad, that they have power to make their opinions heard and that elected officials can and should respond to their questions and concerns.

        I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens. --Britney Spears

        by Betty Pinson on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:01:40 PM PDT

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        •  "somehow distort"--what does this mean? (0+ / 0-)

          Don't think you're reading the content of his most recently revealed emails (and to go off like a loose cannon because you're behind the story is. . . poor form, to say the least). He was flirting--which is, IMO, no one's business if the women are of age (if they ask him to stop and he doesn't, different story), but dumb, or worse, as (ahem) I said, if they are underaged. . .

          Let's let the pols do the selling out, you and I keep fighting for what's right.

          by Matthew Detroit on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 01:57:49 PM PDT

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      •  why is this a response to me? I agree. I've got (0+ / 0-)

        a seven-year-old, and it annoys me.

        Let's let the pols do the selling out, you and I keep fighting for what's right.

        by Matthew Detroit on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 01:45:11 PM PDT

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  •  I talked to jesus christ about it (6+ / 0-)

    He said that whoever is without sin should quit their job first

    Then he said said that i should make sure to vacation on the east coast while its still there.  

    Protect Medicare, Win Everywhere!

    by Anton Bursch on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:41:21 AM PDT

  •  Corporate campaign donations at stake (1+ / 0-)
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    For now, the DNC has been lost to corporate control, but at least Pelosi should resist caving to this kind of blackmail.

    Dems never win when they cave to the demands of corporate donors.

    I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens. --Britney Spears

    by Betty Pinson on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:41:30 AM PDT

    •  Better if DWS quit (0+ / 0-)

      Dems would be far better off if DWS quit her seat as it is physically impossible to do a good job as a half-ass DNC Chair.

      •  We've had co-chairs in the past (1+ / 0-)
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        Its a simple solution to getting good quality leadership from people with limited time - appoint 2 instead of one.

        I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens. --Britney Spears

        by Betty Pinson on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:14:06 PM PDT

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        •  had full-time co-chairs (1+ / 0-)
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          That's twice as many miles as DWS.

          I'd love to have co-chairs as it (unfortunately) isn't a leadership position when there's a Dem in the WH.

          I don't know how anyone could have watch Tim Kaine in '09 (he promised he wouldn't be chair precisely because he'd do a crappy job half-assing it) and view DWS as anything but a neutering of the DNC by a president who would rather lose than grow the Party.

          •  Agree, we need high quality DNC leadership (0+ / 0-)

            But the WH is in complete control of DNC now, calling all the shots, controlling who gets help and who doesn't.

            DNC is dead for now, no longer useful to the Democratic Party outside of the beltway.  It died with the 50 state strategy - the most brilliant and successful national Dem campaign in recent history.

            We'll have to wait until the DLC Dems either get voted out or are sent to jail before we can reclaim our national party organization.

            Fortunately, we have much better tools for mass communication and organizing at the local level and can do well without the national party.  The only worrisome part comes when a state party's efforts on behalf of its candidates conflict with the OFA/DLC/DNC agenda in the state with the national crew working against or trying to sideline progressive Dem candidates and incumbents.  We had some close calls in the midterms, it may happen again in 2012.

            Better to ignore the DNC and support the party at your state and local level.

            I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens. --Britney Spears

            by Betty Pinson on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:45:31 PM PDT

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  •  It's all about politics, isn't it? (3+ / 0-)
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    Whether or not he "deserves" to have to resign for what he did is beside the point, I think.  It's pretty transparent -- Democrats are trying to get him to resign, because politically he is an albatross to them.  They do not want to spend any more time answering questions about whether they think he should resign, or what they think of him.  Simply put, he's getting bad press, and the other Democrats in Congress don't want that bad press dragging them down.  That's what it's all about now.

    Significantly, you don't hear a widespread outcry from Republicans.  For the same reasons, they are happy to have him stay around.  

  •  His district is gone next year anyway! (0+ / 0-)

    New York has to draw one less district downstate.  The talk was that it would be Ackerman but last week the question was settled.

  •  He can resign right after... (13+ / 0-)

    ...Diaper Dave Vitter, and Tom Coburn, who was Sen.Ensign's confidential OB-GYN.

    I'm the plowman in the valley - with my face full of mud

    by labradog on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:42:37 AM PDT

  •  I await the Democratic leadership... (12+ / 0-)

    ...calling for Vitter to resign.

    •  God damn right! (4+ / 0-)

      They play into the trickle-down economics frame, and now the
      GOP pious outrage frame?

      ...but David Diaper Vitter, and Clarence Thomas, not a peep...

      Fuck them. He's a bulldog, and has said the things on the floor that they didn't have the spine to.  

      Now if we had more Democrats who would stand up and fight the way he does....

      Oh, Speaker Boehner, is that a tan? I thought you'd been attacked by a mob of orange sharpies!

      by Terminus on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:53:15 AM PDT

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  •  He should go. His arrogance now is becoming a (4+ / 0-)

    further issue.    He will continue to distract from larger issues---Time to go.

    Being stupid has consequences.

    •  Distract from larger issues. (3+ / 0-)
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      Because Lord knows our politicians would otherwise be dealing with actual issues.  Oh wait, they're busy pretending the deficit is the biggest crisis evah while actually ignoring the issues that the people of this country want them to deal with.

      Congress is condemning Weiner with their breath but happy in their thoughts that he's providing another distraction they can use to keep people from paying attention to the fact that our political leaders aren't do anything to fix our country.

  •  If he is now an outsized net drag (4+ / 0-)

    on the party and its goals, he should leave. I don't know if he is or not, but Pelosi would be the one to make that call. Of course, he does not have to comply, and he answers ultimately to his constituents. I'd certainly appreciate not seeing his face or other parts of his body for a while.

    Pareto Principle: 20% of the people do 80% of the work.

    by jeff in nyc on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:43:58 AM PDT

  •  Triage (2+ / 0-)
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    Black-tag this one.

    Stop. Stand up. Make a sign. Walk around in public. Be polite and orderly and the rest takes care of itself. Want to shake up the Plutocrats? Demonstrate your attention to politics.

    by Quicklund on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:44:33 AM PDT

  •  Let her know (4+ / 0-)

    looks like Charlie Rangel is the only one I've seen so far say he shouldn't resign!!

    Let Ms.Pelosi know you want the dems to circle the wagons for AW, this is a frigging joke how quickly they throw him under the bus.

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  •  Did these "leaders" (2+ / 0-)
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    Ask President Clinton to resign during the Lewinsky affair? Doubt it.

    Catch St. Louis' progressive talk show, The Murdock Report, every Tuesday @ noon! Stream or download it: I do the twit thing too @Smokin'JoeWGNU

    by Da Rat Bastid on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:45:35 AM PDT

  •  DWS should resign her seat first (3+ / 0-)

    It is impossible for her to do a good job as DNC Chair while being a part-time chair. It is physically impossible for her to be on the road and in DC at the same time. The last person to try, Tim Kaine failed so spectacularly that we even lost Teddy's seat.

    If Pelosi cared more about the Democratic Party than puritan DC mores, she'd demand DWS resign her seat.

    DWS needs to stop half-assing being DNC chair and until then she should shut the fuck up about who else should resign.

  •  Nonsense (4+ / 0-)
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    His constituents want him to stay, but that doesn't matter to people who are politicians for a living. Has Shultz ever actually done anything other than be an elected official? Didn't she get elected to her first office at 24?

    No I do not believe he should resign. If he resigned, I guarantee you he could and would be re-elected in 2014. So what is the damn point.

    "If the Party could thrust its hand into the past and say this or that even, it never happened-that, surely, was more terrifying than mere torture and death." - Orwell

    by Moon Mop on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:46:18 AM PDT

    •  Anthony Weiner hasnt really done anything (1+ / 0-)
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      other than being a politician either.  So what's your point?

      •  My point is (1+ / 0-)
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        Who cares what Nancy Pelosi or Debbie Wasserman Shultz or any other self righteous politician has to say. The decision is up to Anthony Weiner and his constituents and his constituents want him to stay.

        And I don't really care that he did what he did and neither do 56% of the people he represents.

        "If the Party could thrust its hand into the past and say this or that even, it never happened-that, surely, was more terrifying than mere torture and death." - Orwell

        by Moon Mop on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:34:08 PM PDT

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  •  Rep. Pelosi statement. (7+ / 0-)
    “Congressman Weiner has the love of his family, the confidence of his constituents, and the recognition that he needs help," Pelosi (D-San Francisco) said in a statement. "I urge Congressman Weiner to seek that help without the pressures of being a member of Congress.”

  •  Fait Accompli (2+ / 0-)
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    Dems have so internalized the GOP values system so deeply that now they speak the same ridiculous, hypocritical "Family Values" framing as if it were their own.

    Why would I vote for these people anymore than the GOP?

    Oh yeah, that's right.  I wouldn't.

    Been wiretapped lately?

    by m00nchild on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:47:32 AM PDT

  •  WTF Just had this spam pop up (2+ / 0-)
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    on my putor!!!!

    This is fcked!!!   The fascists are out in force!!!!

    Stand with AW now, call Pelosi and tell her to support a fellow dem!!!

    •  Just support him because he's a Democrat? He (1+ / 0-)
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      wasn't doing something in support of Democratic values.

      Just support him because a bunch of Republicans want him to resign?  That's still making a decision on nothing more than what the Republicans want.

  •  Unless there is something else here.. (2+ / 0-)
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    In the latest turn of events, a teenage girl from the state of Delaware had been interviewed by police about online contact she had with Weiner, communications he has said were "neither explicit nor indecent." Authorities said the teen didn't say anything about illegal conduct

    for all we know she asked him about what subject she should study at school in order to serve in government.

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

    by CTMET on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:48:06 AM PDT

  •  Weiner vs. Vitter or Ensign (8+ / 0-)

    Nobody in the GOP pushed for Ensign to resign until it became obvious that he would be facing CRIMINAL CHARGES, which Weiner is not facing.  Vitter has not only not been pushed to resign but he has received standing ovations from his party and official endorsements to run as the Party's Senate nominee.  Until Vitter resigns, I see no need for Weiner to resign.
    Strange though, how none of the US Congress female contingent is embroiled in sex scandals.  Stupid men.

  •  NYT reports: treatment center for Rep Weiner (5+ / 0-)
    The House Democratic leader, Nancy Pelosi, on Saturday called on Representative Anthony D. Weiner to resign, underscoring the growing concern among Democrats that his online exchanges with women had become a distraction for the party.

    Representative Steve J. Israel, Democrat of New York, also called on Mr. Weiner to step down, saying that he clearly needed to seek treatment for “inappropriate behavior.”

    “I pray for his family and hope that Anthony will take time to get the help he needs without the distractions and added pressures of Washington,” Mr. Israel said.

    At the same time, two senior Democratic officials said on Saturday that Mr. Weiner was planning to check himself into a treatment center.

  •  Resign. Don't resign. I don't care (0+ / 0-)

    Too much has been made of this on both sides.

    What I don't understand, Diaper Dave aside, why are people on here going to the ramparts to defend someone who lied to them and made them look like fools.

  •  They could just wait until NY redistricts him out (0+ / 0-)

    of a job, which seems the likely course anyway.  Calling on him to resign is probably just a public relations thing anyway.  They said it, now they hope he either does it or just sits down and shuts up so the whole story blows over soon.

  •  "Voters understand loyalty" (1+ / 0-)
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    One of my favorite West Wing quotes, this is not loyalty.

  •  I realllllly (5+ / 0-)

    Don't want to write a sentence that includes the phrase "Fuck Pelosi" in it.

    But that she would join everyone else in the Throw-Him-Under-The-Bus parade is very, very disappointing.

    Saying they don't condone his actions? Great. Nobody should, really.

    Saying he should go? Um, I have a problem with that, Madame Speaker. A big one.

  •  This is ridiculous. (2+ / 0-)
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    Is this really the way you want to start out your tenure as DNC chair, DWS? Throwing one of your own under the bus... for nothing? Way to signal strength. This will surely draw people to the Democratic party.

  •  Democrats are too weak, too easily pushed around. (3+ / 0-)

    It's disgusting.  Why can't Democrats just shut up, why can't they say "no comment" to the press like Republicans do, why can't they resist a headline in favor of fairness and modesty.

    Nancy and Debby CANNOT "Call For" the resignation of any congressman.  It's meaningless.  All they can do is have an opinion.  They should keep it to themselves until the ethics committee produces a report.

    Wiener stays, in my book.  He's behaved childishly and foolishly, but he's behaved no worse than the tens of millions of American "sexters" and pornography customers.  If Democrats would STFU, this would pass out of the news cycle.

    Don't let the GOP, through their pet press, achieve their political ends in the headlines.  These ladies' action is a gift to Breitbart's side.  

  •  What a Mess -- (9+ / 0-)

    Folks -- I too voted undecided because there's a bigger issue here. Progressive pride ourselves in our ability to do the right thing, even when conservatives play Realpolitik. I compare Weiner's actions to that of Sen. Vitter (R-Orgasm), and the fact that Vitter didn't resign is abhorrent. But am I being at least a bit hypocritical to then turn around and argue that Weiner should stay?

    Weiner's incredibly poor judgment makes him an ineffective leader for us, and even a liability, but beyond that -- to push forward our agenda, we need to maintain a consistent moral position. I don't want Weiner hurled back at me when I'm trying to convince a republican that conservatism is a moral and intellectual dead end.

    That said, this is also a incredibly sad and conflicting situation. Weiner was a forceful and courageous champion for our side -- but I fear the operative word here is "was."


    As soon as I get to the bottom of this, I'll get the next plane.

    by Holly Martins on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:54:32 AM PDT

  •  From the Dem leadership standpoint (4+ / 0-)
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    Weiner resigning is a no-brainer. First his district is a safe Dem seat so it's not like they would lose it. Second, Weiner is now damaged goods, he's lost what ever authority he had to to speak truth to the Repukes. He has become a punch-line. Better for him to leave now, and try and rebuild his career.

    Necessity is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-- Wm.Pitt the Younger

    by JeffSCinNY on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:54:38 AM PDT

  •  Wiener needs to go (9+ / 0-)

    now. He is killing the party one bad news story at a time. We should be talking about the GOP killing medicare. Yes Vitter needs to go, but we need progressives to stand against both scumbags.

    TX-13, Male, 22, SSP: buff2011

    by buff2011 on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:55:19 AM PDT

  •  Get the hell outa Dodge Senor Weiner! (5+ / 0-)

    You can spin this anyway you want - bottom line he is HURTING all of us progressives, and will continue to do so.

    The re-thugs are salivatin' and chompin' at the bit with the ads they will have in 2012 with this crap...

    Sending these pics to women when he has a pregnant wife....jeeeeeez, I can't believe the defense some of you are giving him.   This teenage girl thing pushed me WAY over the edge to say THAT's IT!!

    He needs to get out, NOW!  

    Resign Anthony!

  •  If repug can keep their (3+ / 0-)
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    scum in, so can the dems, if they had any balls.  so let me get this straight.  Wiener should resign so 'we can get back to the things WE want to talk about"  How is Wiener stopping that?  If the dems can't win back both houses when the repugs have social security, and medicare on the chopping block they need and should lose.  The only things i hear the dems talking about is defending themselves and folding to the repugs.
    The only two words the dems need to defend themselves when Wiener's name comes is: David Vitter.
    ED did the same thing to Rep. Charilie Rangel. you phoney bastart (playing to his repug bosses) NEVER asking a lying repug to resign. not even mention david vitter.

  •  Offer him as trade bait (4+ / 0-)

    He'll step down if, and only if, both Thomas and Vitter do so.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:58:12 AM PDT

  •  It's Weiner's lying that really hurt him (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Delilah, RainyDay, erush1345

    For all the people outraged that Dem leadership isnt supporting him, what do you expect when someone lies to you. And I'm sure he lied to their faces about this, saying it was a hack. You cant do that, then expect people to support you.

    •  Lying? Really? A Politician Lying? (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Johnny Q, Dianna

      You're kidding, right?  

    •  but (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Dianna, Johnny Q, mike101

      97% of political lies cause more damage to America than what Weiner did, so why is this the only lie that's a firing offense?

      apparently being disappointed and saying so is itself a hrable offense. I am disappointed in what Democrats have achieved since 2009. Trollrate away.

      by happymisanthropy on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:20:04 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Probably because it's easily understandable. n/t (0+ / 0-)

        -- We are just regular people informed on issues

        by mike101 on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 01:33:54 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Moreover, why weren't Bush's war crimes (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:

        firing offenses, but this one is?

        The man fucked around on his wife and then lied about it to the world. The only difference between him doing that and roughly half of all other men in this country doing it is the distance his indiscretions carry due to his position of prominence in public life. It's none of our business, it was none of Breitbart's, and it isn't any of Pelosi's, WS's, or any of the other nimrod "democrats" hyperventilating in their clamor for Wiener to resign.

        If only Pelosi (et alia) had been even as firm of mind when it came to defending the constitution and engaging in an impeachment of Bush.

  •  Just breaking: (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    It seems sources are saying Weiner is going to check into a facility for treatment

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White

    by zenbassoon on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 11:59:39 AM PDT

  •  He should not. It's not the photos or the (8+ / 0-)

    text messages. It is the hypocrisy.

    Why aren't Pelosi, et al, demanding that Sen David Vitter resign?

    He was in an actual WHORE HOUSE, in DIAPERS, being WHIPPED, physically CHEATING on his WIFE with PROSTITUTES (which is illegal in his state)?

    And sending text messages, without physically cheating on your wife, is worse how???


    Here's the lesson:  If you are an outspoken supporter of PEOPLE over corporations and over conservative attacks on the safety net, you will be destroyed.  

    It makes no difference whether it was text messages or a parking ticket in 1978 or whatever, they would demand that Weiner resign, while not doing the same for people who have done much worse.

    Progress occurs when courageous, skillful leaders seize the opportunity to change things for the better. -- Harry S Truman

    by YucatanMan on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:00:52 PM PDT

    •  Corporations do realpolitik. They play (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      for keeps. It's tough for those having basically a live and let live attitude to understand the ruthlessness. But it's there, and it's what we're up against.

      -- We are just regular people informed on issues

      by mike101 on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 01:37:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Maybe Weiner should leave for treatment, (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Delilah, blindyone, Egghead

    immediately and not return to congress.  After being gone a few months, then come back.  The spot light will not be so bright.  Just a thought.

  •  I won't support his staying (5+ / 0-)

    and am in no position to ask him to resign.

    What I would ask of his defenders is this:  How much time do you think Weiner has spent worrying about your defense of him compared to his fixation on his dick.  My guess -- you get zero time.

    Do you think he cares that a 17 year old's family had to pay for a lawyer to state that nothing inappropriate happened on twitter?  

    I refuse to defend anyone who thinks more of a body part than he/she does of an Oath of Office.  If you want to fall on your swords re: his "progressive voice" then at least look at his web page and legislative history -- including, ironically, protecting children on the internet.

    This idiot has gotten way too much air/blogo time in comparison to real tragedies in this country and the world.  Small example -- pathetic response to a diary on the AZ wildfires.  

    Sometimes I want to gag re: the "concerns" on this site.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:04:40 PM PDT

    •  He's the idiot? (0+ / 0-)

      Ya know, I bet if he posted a video of himself on YouTube doing some fancy card tricks while juggling a dozen flaming bowling pins this whole mess would be forgotten overnight and his popularity would skyrocket, because voters are shallow, superficial and easily amused... a.k.a. idiots.

      All I care about, is how well he does his job. His personal life is his business; politicians generally are all pretty screwed up as a group.

      Free University and Health Care for all, now. -8.88, -7.13

      by SoCalHobbit on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 06:12:22 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  DKOS poll results as of 1:00 pm 2011JUN11 (0+ / 0-)

    Should Weiner resign

    29% 410 votes

    61% 842 votes

    8% 121 votes

       1374 votes

    Notice: This Comment © 2011 ROGNM

    by ROGNM on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:06:15 PM PDT

  •  Nobody Reads Susan Brownmiller Anymore? (5+ / 0-)

    Surely, one can argue a significant aspect of the culture of male sexual appropriation - even if one does not fully agree with the extent of Brownmiller's thesis on the culture of rape itself.

    How many congressional pages have Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and Olympia Snowe bedded?  Did Gov. Grenholm and Gov. Brewer have a child with their gardeners or claim to be hiking the Pacific Crest Trail?

    I am so disappointed in the prevailing discourse at Daily Kos.  First, there were a dozen or more recced diaries claiming a consiracy by Breitbart - and now there are all these diaries suggesting that those who wish to see Weiner resign are either right-wingers or puritanical.

    Not to mention that Weiner will have zero political plausibility.
    And his district will be erased within the year.

    Weiner should go.
    The sooner the better.

    •  My Wife -- (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      johnnygunn, snowwoman

      Brought up Brownmiller's theory just the other day. This is a very relevant post.

      As soon as I get to the bottom of this, I'll get the next plane.

      by Holly Martins on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:16:31 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'd take Brownmiller with several grains of salt (0+ / 0-)

        She kicked off the "Victim Feminism" movement which has all but destroyed real feminism.

        The worst thing about "Victim Feminists" is that they spend so much time screeching about "OOOO Those EEEEvil Menzz" that 1) nobody outside their own movement can take them seriously and 2) they make meaningful dialogue between the genders impossible.

        If it's
        Not your body
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        AND it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 08:08:39 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Let's just stipulate that Weiner is a horse's ass (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Johnny Q

    and just move on, shall we?

    Did he break any laws?  No.

    Did he use incredibly poor judgment?  Yes.

    And if Pelosi and Wasserman-Schultz want to start throwing stones, I would strongly suggest that they purchase homes not made of glass.

    Let the Democratic circular firing squad commence!

    " ... or a baby's arm holding an apple!"

    by Lavocat on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:15:29 PM PDT

  •  odd phrase (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Catte Nappe

    On the face of it, I find nothing inappropriate about a Congressman communicating with a teenager.  I'm sure that teenagers across the country are sending emails or other messages to Congressmen and in some cases getting replies.

    However, I find the phrase, "neither explicit nor indecent" to be odd, especially the first part.  Does not "explicit" suggest that the communication was flirtatious, but just not explicitly so?  I hate to say it, but the very phrase makes one curious about what was in the messages.

  •  RE: Private Messages to Teen Girl (2+ / 0-)
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    Betty Pinson, markw

    Weiner says he sent five private messages to the teen girl in Delaware, but none of them contained anything inappropriate. Should be easy enough to prove -- he can provide the media with his messages (his parts only, not the girl's responses). Speculation stopped in it's tracks, right?

    'If you don't believe that the rich spend their time on this earth effectively f###ing over the poor, then I don't see how you make any sense of what goes on in this world.'
    David Hare -- My Zinc Bed

  •  Weiner: rehab and leave of absence (2+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe, Betty Pinson
    Weiner spokeswoman Risa Heller emails:

        Congressman Weiner departed this morning to seek professional treatment to focus on becoming a better husband and healthier person. In light of that, he will request a short leave of absence from the House of Representatives so that he can get evaluated and map out a course of treatment to make himself well. Congressman Weiner takes the views of his colleagues very seriously and has determined that he needs this time to get healthy and make the best decision possible for himself, his family and his constituents.

  •  NYT reporting: Weiner leaving for treatment (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Catte Nappe, Betty Pinson

    and taking a leave from the House.  Just as I thought he would do.  He will be gone for a few months, when he comes back this will have died down some, UNLESS another shoe drops.  So, he is not coming back to congress for some time.

  •  You know what we're not hearing at this time? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Johnny Q, sethtriggs

    Calls from the actual House leadership for censure and impeachment.

    The Republicans are keeping silent on this in public, and laughing their asses off in private.  Because, as usual, they don't have to do anything to make the Democrats look worse than they do.

    Republican (n.) -- A person who tells you government is evil, then gets elected and proves himself right.

    by IlGreven on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:26:23 PM PDT

    •  Because everyone knows (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      vacantlook, Johnny Q, sethtriggs

      Sending pics of your weiner to consenting adults is much more serious than lying to Congress or spying on and torturing Americans or stealing billions from the government to support illegal wars overseas.

      I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens. --Britney Spears

      by Betty Pinson on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:37:18 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  What Weiner did was wrong... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Johnny Q, sethtriggs

    ...but what bothers me even more is why these demands for Weiner to resign non-existent from Republicans when it came to the escapades of Sen. David Vitter... or even Mark Sanford...or even Larry Craig?

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by alaprst on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:28:39 PM PDT

  •  Well, I give Weiner this... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    he did a bust a move on Nancy & Company and already left for treatment, so they have to deal with him when he comes back.

    •  What kind of treatment is he rec'g? (0+ / 0-)

      And has the allegation involving the 17 year been substantiated?
      If so i'm officially OFF the bandwagon!

      “Sometimes, the most reasonable thing in the legislative process is to be unreasonable.” Mike Pence, R-Ind., on negotiating with the democrats.

      by dclawyer06 on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:55:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  There is NO smoke, it's just dry ice (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:

        The exchanges with the 17-year-old have been investigated by the cops and there was no "there" there.

        I guess Congresscritters must not be allowed to communicate with ANY underage "future voters" any more - about ANYthing. And how's that going to "grow" the youth vote?

        If it's
        Not your body
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        AND it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 03:04:29 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  What the hell? People still want Weiner to stay? (6+ / 0-)

    HELLO -- It's way past time for Weiner to go.  Yesterday's story about his online contact with a teen-ager should have proved that to EVERYONE.  Sure, he said nothing was sexual or explicit.  And we are supposed to believe him?  

    HELLO -- It's way past time for Weiner to go.  If he stays, expect stories like this one several times a day.  The top Dems were correct is asking for his resignation.  

    My money is on Weiner's ego, which means he will try to "tough it out."  If today's story about the teen doesn't land him in jail, the next story or the next one certainly will.

    Support Pelosi and Wasserman-Schultz -- Weiner must go, today at the latest.  

    •  Amen to that! Adios Muchacho Weiner! (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      ratcityreprobate, erush1345

      I'm sick of hearing folks say "this re-thug did this, and this re-thug did that and waa waaa they didn't have to resign"..

      Who cares - we are better than them.  


    •  Get your facts straight (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      It's not just Weiner who said there was nothing sexual or explicit, in his communications (5) with the teen.  She confirmed this, as did her parents, as did the cops who looked into it.

      If Pelosi and Wasserman allow their private disgust with Weiner's private behavior, to freight train on of our most effective advocates out of office, they can expect more of the same.  Or do you really think Breitbart is going to say 'Geez, I took Weiner out.  I guess I'll take the rest of 2011 and 2012 off as a vacation'.

      Mark my words - this cave in will have the entire wingnut army looking at our guys for any and every private peccadillo.  

    •  How about believing THE GODDAMN COPS????? (0+ / 0-)

      Or do you think THEY would lie too?

      If it's
      Not your body
      Then it's
      Not your choice
      AND it's
      None of your damn business!

      by TheOtherMaven on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 03:05:11 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Wise move by Weiner, after being thrown under bus (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Johnny Q

    Goddamit. WTF, Wasserman-Schulz & Pelosi?

    But this way, Weiner at least is away from the firestorm for a bit, and can hopefully come back and talk policy.

    Waiting for a similar batch of outrage & demands for Louisian Senator David Vitter (R-Recidivist) to resign. That I know won't ever happen, even though Vitter is a family-values candidate. Or perhaps, *because* Vitter is a family-values candidate.

    Now, how about back to jobs? The three wars? The problems with the Patriot Act? The problems with financial regulation? Global warming? Education? Infrastructure? Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security?


    "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton |

    by jbeach on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:44:00 PM PDT

  •  Dr. Evil speaks for me (0+ / 0-)

    "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton |

    by jbeach on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:44:45 PM PDT

  •  you missed a poll selection (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    D.   don't give a rat's ass.

    My opinion means nothing.  It's between weiner and his constituents primarily, although his colleagues' opinions matter more than mine.  His value to the progressive cause lost a great deal of its lustre so I don't care if he goes or stays.

    A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

    by dougymi on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 12:49:52 PM PDT

  •  Where does a Twitter addict go to get help? (7+ / 0-)

    To a Tweetment facility.

  •  Damaged goods (0+ / 0-)

    At this point, we have to admit that Weiner has been irreparably damaged; perhaps Pelosi et al. dealt the death blow. Tragically, it seems that Breitbart got (another) one. Politics has never been fair.

    Teenage girls, don't expect to get any response to correspondence with a government official, from now on.

  •  OMFG !!!! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SilverPaladin, schnecke21

    What Rep Weiner did was tastless and certainly nothing admire, but it was not illegal.

    Rep. Weiner should not resign and should not be asked to resign.

    I am disappointed by his actions and my respect for him has been diminished, but I still believe that he has a job representing his constituents. Aditionally, he has given voice to the rest of us by pointing out, quite vocally at time, the rank hypocrisy of the republican members. Something no one else has done as effectively as he has done.

    Speaker (hopefully again) Pelosi, Congresswoman Wasserman Schultz, and Mr., Israel are wrong on this.

    Those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither. (Paraphrasing B. Franklin)

    by p a roberson on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 01:05:35 PM PDT

  •  Surrendering Weiner (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    Sends the message that Republican rules are the only rules that count. You may as well give up now. If the repubs want Weiner gone, they have to send Vitter packing, no excuse, no debate.

  •  Y'know what Ms (0+ / 0-)

    "Impeachments off the Table"?

    Shut the fuck up.

    "The rich will strive to establish their dominion and enslave the rest. They always did... they always will. . ." Governeur Morris

    by Dave925 on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 01:17:11 PM PDT

  •  If Debbie Wasserman (0+ / 0-)

    Schultz can't see the outright hypocricy in not also asking for David Vitter to resign after seeing hookers and being dressed up in diapers, then maybe she should resign. She certainly has lost my support in this matter. Join the Republican party Debbie... your a hypocrite like they are. You can all be outraged together while you keep looking at the forbidden shot, gasping in horror, and saying how disgusting it is. Sort of like the  Republicans who keep talking about all that horrible gay sex, then get caught with their pants down with a male hooker.

    •  Watched Wasserman-Shultz on MTP this a.m. (0+ / 0-)

      She winked when she called for Weiner's resignation.

      This is politics folks; it ain't pretty and you always have to talk outside of both sides of your mouth.

      P.S. Anthony Weiner should NOT resign.

      Notice: This Comment © 2011 ROGNM

      by ROGNM on Sun Jun 12, 2011 at 10:27:10 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  F*ck Pelosi, and Wasserman too. (0+ / 0-)

    Where do they get off telling a colleague, who's committed no crime except poor judgment in his personal life, to resign?  

    If that was truly the standard of behavior, Congressional representation in both houses and on both sides of the aisle would shrink by 2/3.  But because Weiner doesn't 'play the game' - because he's not a gladhanding fucktard, and goes after the Rethugs, even when Mistress Nancy wants him on a leash - he gets no love.  

    Meanwhile, she was doing everything but riding shotgun alongside Rangel, when objectively, his far more serious transgessions, which were directly on point with his governmental responsibilities, should've had him tossed.  

    And Wasserman - if she's just going to be a less articulate sockpuppet for Pelosi, what's the use of her?

  •  Treatment? More newscycles, time to go! (0+ / 0-)

    I don't want to read about this over-inflated mis-click in July. In fact, I defer to the people that know women voters best. We need to win elections and to restore some sanity to our economy and overall domestic and international policy.

  •  I strongly disagree with this position (0+ / 0-)

    but now that it has been made overt, how can you get around it politically?

  •  I see there are many fans of Tony Baloney (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    I can't believe that most have voted to keep him. Party worshipers through and through.

    I'm now able to kinetically question authority for humanitarian purposes.

    by citizen4truth on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 02:09:02 PM PDT

  •  NUVR ! (0+ / 0-)

    not until Vitter resigns

    Bumper sticker seen on I-95; "Stop Socialism" my response: "Don't like socialism? GET OFF the Interstate highway!"

    by Clytemnestra on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 02:52:15 PM PDT

  •  Resignation is off the table (0+ / 0-)

    Weiner should reply to Ms. Pelosi that he didn't belong to a Satanic organization like Skull and Bones (Bush and Kerry), didn't start two horrific unjustified wars, didn't cause untold monetary suffering to the middle class and wreak turmoil around the globe.

    Oh but he committed a minor NON ILLEGAL activity. Make him walk the plank. Meanwhile the shrub collects his taxypayer money for his transgressions. Resign already Paper Tiger Nancy.

  •  IOKIYAR (0+ / 0-)

    No Democrat should resign because of a sex scandal (excluding rape or child molestation) until David Vitter resigns. Period.

  •  This is why the Dems lose and lose and lose. (0+ / 0-)

    Because they don't understand that there are only two useful responses to a manufactured scandal about something irrelevant to governing, but involving a member of their own party:

    A. If the accusations are essentially true, ignore the entire story. Don't talk about it, ever, at all. If put on the spot in a context where you can't weasel out of making a comment, just give an example of a worse transgression by a Republican -- preferably a transgression that went largely unpunished. (Note that there will almost always be such a transgression available for use).

    B. If the accusations are essentially bullshit (see: Swiftboat Veterans for Billionaires), attack, attack, attack, mercilessly, continuously, endlessly.

    That's it. Anything else is self-defeating idiocy.

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 04:11:53 PM PDT

  •  Repubs will make him the face of the party. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    They'll say we're the "anti-value party". I like a fight as much as the next guy, but this is definitely a no-win situation....Throw him under the bus.

  •  Heh, this is great. A leader that took impeachment (0+ / 0-)

    off the table calling the kettle black.

    "Misfortune shows those who are not really friends." Aristotle Fuldheim's long and distinguished career - where, at age 91, .,,,. suffered a stroke on July 27, 1984, shortly after interviewing U.S. President Ronald Reagan via satellite.

    by JugOPunch on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 08:48:36 PM PDT

  •  Rehab = the last stop to Circusville (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    Hate to say it, but he has to go.  Rehab is the last resort of every scoundrel trying to get out of a controversy, be it Rush Limbaugh or Lindsay Lohan.

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