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No, not caving by the Republicans, but by the White House.  

Just reported:

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said Thursday he's quitting budget talks led by Vice President Joe Biden for now, citing an impasse over taxes. "The tax issue must be resolved before discussions can continue," Cantor said.

Not anymore detail as yet, but what else is there to say?  As expected the Repubs are upping the ante, not afraid to walk away like the negotiators they are.

Once again the White House is playing the Repubs game by linking budget talks to the debt ceiling instead of telling the Repubs there is no connection - vote the debt ceiling only.  But that ship already sailed.  There will be major concessions on ending the tax breaks for the wealthy, namely not ending them.  Once again Obama is using the Repubs for cover to further his corporatist, Wall Street friendly agenda.

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  •  Tip Jar (7+ / 1-)

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 07:47:39 AM PDT

  •  What? (9+ / 0-)

    The White House didn't link budget talks to the debt ceiling the Republicans did.  Once again Obama is doing this huh?   This is so full of shit it's unbelievable.

    "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

    by Adept2u on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 07:55:40 AM PDT

    •  Senator Barack Obama, 2006: (3+ / 0-)
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      GAladybug, TheOrchid, accumbens
      "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. ... Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem."

      Teh Google works when Republicans use it too. They have the White House by the short hairs. The fact that Carney had to walk back Obama's vote tells you all you need to know.

      •  So what (6+ / 0-)

        Again it isn't him that is fighting about not increasing the debt limit.  You people are so infantile sometimes as to cause extreme exasperation.  In 2006 there was not the polarized atmosphere that stated the Republicans sole duty was to destroy America as to destroy Barack Obama.  In that political environment discussing not raising the debt ceiling was indeed just posturing.  These idiots are serious, and one more time, it's not Barack Obama doing it.  

        They have America by the short hairs.

        "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

        by Adept2u on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 08:08:22 AM PDT

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        •  Infantile is calling names. It is Obama that lets (0+ / 0-)

          these right wing terrorists hold America hostage.  Why would he do that?  One reason is that he wants what they want or at least some of it.

          The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

          by accumbens on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 09:51:45 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  And who let the Republicans link the budget (0+ / 0-)

      with the debt ceiling? Obama.  He could have refused to do it and insisted/demanded a clean vote on the debt ceiling.  Why he didn't is the question and my assumption is because he wants to cut the budget and keep taxes low - like the Republicans - and going along with them gives him cover to do so.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 09:49:38 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Actually, he did make that demand. A (1+ / 0-)
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        accumbens

        And when Republicans said no, they said ok and apologized for being mean to the Republicans.

        "Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book - you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem." - Senator Obama, 9-16-2008

        by justmy2 on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 10:32:18 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  What the fuck are you talking about? (8+ / 0-)

    A Republican whining = the White House caving?

    Proud supporter of nuclear power!

    by zegota on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 07:57:45 AM PDT

    •  Like it hasn't happened before? The Repubs (0+ / 0-)

      threaten and Obama caves.  If you can't see that on numerous occasions, you haven't been paying attention.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 09:52:49 AM PDT

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      •  a pessimistic diary predicting caves (1+ / 0-)
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        would be one thing, you've instead wrote a diary proclaiming that Obama has already done wrong and used Eric Cantor walking out as your "proof". So it's not a question of paying attention as no matter what the end result of the negotiation in the future your description of the present is wrong.

        •  Not what I said at all. (0+ / 0-)

          There are two issues.  One, that Obama should not have let the Republicans tie the budget and debt ceiling.  The other, is that Cantor is being a Republican negotiator doing what they do best - play hardball, which will no doubt elicit a conciliatory response by the WH.  I'm not using Cantor as proof for anything.

          The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

          by accumbens on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 10:31:01 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Not even a (5+ / 0-)

    gentleman's "C" for creative writing.  Mildly hilarious, however.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 08:02:00 AM PDT

  •  are you sure (0+ / 0-)

    do you really know this is the repub game? has it ever occurred to you that obama is setting them up? he's done that before, you know. i'll wait and see. frankly, i don't know why obama just doesn't sig an executive order for all these things. it will expedite everything.

  •  Actually it's more an unambiguous tell (4+ / 0-)
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    about the GOpers:

    They want a meltdown. Badly.

    There is no amount of spending cuts that can be offered that makes up for the RepubliWin of letting default happening and letting the added $500 billion to $1 trillion per year of additional interest expenses crowd out useful spending.

    After all, it's creditors who get all that extra dinero.

    And who do creditors contribute to these days?

    Democrats? Um, no. Not so much.

    Ergo, they want the default. Badly.

    There is simply no negotiating with them.

    •  Ding ding ding! GOPers are going to put the (0+ / 0-)

      country into default in a few weeks. There's no getting around it.

      •  Summer the year before an election (0+ / 0-)

        is the red zone for game-changing events. It's when incumbents are weakest and insurgents (these are the proper terms) have nothing to lose by trying.

        The good news is that if some way can be found to stall the moment of truth to autumn, or better still winter, the situation will reverse.

        My advice to the administration: play for time, even if it stinks for now. Make it something very short-run, a la the budget "negotiations".

        (Though one suspects our brethren on the right might have picked up on the tactic that a "cave", per se, is not a cave if it's not permanent.)

        •  Summer was also negotiate in vain time for HCR. (0+ / 0-)

          The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

          by accumbens on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 09:55:29 AM PDT

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          •  Oh, I think they passed EXACTLY what they wanted (0+ / 0-)

            and.. what the insurers wanted as a Maginot Line against a public option.

            What outraged the Republicans was the Democrats floating a passable bill thatgot at least some health-related industry buy-in (pubbies were incensed at Big Pharma peacing out) . It drove them crazy. Literally. We saw the results.

            Dems are supposed to float clearly improbable easily smacked-down social reform deals...and lose.

            •  ??? (2+ / 0-)
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              accumbens, TheMomCat

              Both big pharma and big insurance contributed heavily to the Obama bill because it was the bill they always wanted. It was the bill they wrote for Bob Dole in 1994.

              So, of course...naturally they had no problem passing a Republican health care plan because its the plan they've always wanted.

              Republicans simply moved further to the right having accomplished their objective of getting Democrats to pass the right wing plan they were in favor of 20 years ago.

              Mission accomplished. Now all we need is for a future republican government to begin ratcheting down the healthcare subsidies over time and....bingo...mandated expensive coverage for all.

            •  I doubt the insurers wanted a Maginot Line - (0+ / 0-)

              that was a fixed implacement where the guns could only fire in one direction.  A complete and major fail as all the Nazis had to do was go around them and attack from the rear.  The insurers wanted way better - something that would protect them against a public option coming from any direction.

              The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

              by accumbens on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 12:32:08 PM PDT

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        •  The Dems would fold before default is allowed. (1+ / 0-)
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          Psst...Sarah Paylin is running for POTUS. You heard it here first. 5/27/2011

          by A Runner on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 10:05:07 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I think you'll see a play-for-time deal (0+ / 0-)

            I also think that despite the GOP ideologues salivating at the prospecting of a nation-state-destroying event (and perhaps more than a few Wall Streeters taking action on that scenario happening) for the most part the finance sector is not amused at what a sovereign default event would do to THEIR borrowing costs.

            •  I agree and I also think the repubs will back down (0+ / 0-)

              if forced to.  The problem I see is that they won't be forced to by the Dems and will get concessions by the Dems  when none would be needed.  I presume it's in Wall Street's best interests to let the repubs play it out because the concessions they will get will be good for Wall Streeters.

              The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

              by accumbens on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 10:40:05 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

          •  Yep, and that's what the Repubs know based on the (0+ / 0-)

            fact that they have in the past.

            The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

            by accumbens on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 10:32:13 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  I think... (0+ / 0-)

        ...(that is, I hope) the business community will make it plain to Republicans, if behind closed doors, that they will be flatly unelectable come 2012 if they cause a default.  A default would seriously hurt a lot of businesses.

        Stupid is as stupid elects.

        by TheOrchid on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 08:24:38 AM PDT

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  •  diary is a little thin (0+ / 0-)

    but there's precedent for this M.O., so I'm tipping, anyway.

    Also tipping to offset the bogus HR. It's not like we haven't seen this movie before, folks....

    REPEAL the Telecomm Act & REVIEW this decision. NO journalist should be fired because their boss can't have the truth told.

    by lunachickie on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 08:09:58 AM PDT

  •  I have the feeling... (1+ / 0-)
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    jayden

    ...the US Chamber of Commerce, and elements like them, will stick a pitchfork into Cantor deep enough to get him back to the negotiating table in a couple of days.  The Republicans are on a hotseat right now with respect to the budget and debt ceiling; despite appearances, they can't afford, at all, to just walk away.  Obama wold be wise to just twiddle his thumbs for a few days while informing the press that Republicans aren't serious about the budget process in the least, etc.

    Stupid is as stupid elects.

    by TheOrchid on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 08:15:54 AM PDT

  •  Talk of Cavin (0+ / 0-)

    You pretty much caved on the president.

  •  How Cantor pulling a Palin is caving for the WH? (3+ / 0-)
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    itskevin, fcvaguy, Unit Zero

    Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

    by LaurenMonica on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 09:10:30 AM PDT

    •  Ever hear of walking out on negotiations as a (0+ / 0-)

      negotiating tactic?  If not, you've probably paid list price for cars.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 09:56:53 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  if it's a negotiating tactic (0+ / 0-)

        designed to make dems cave doesn't that mean that dems haven't yet caved and your diary is bullshit?

        •  "Haven't yet caved" That means they still could (0+ / 0-)

          and I'm betting they will.  You have an odd sense of cause and effect.  Since the game isn't over, how could anyone possibly know the effect or outcome yet?

          The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

          by accumbens on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 10:34:35 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  that was rather my point.... (0+ / 0-)

            but you're the one who writes about how the white house is caving and then you scold me that no one could possibly know the effect or outcome yet?

            •  I didn't say (0+ / 0-)

              the WH is caving, I said it will.  To wit:

              There will be major concessions on ending the tax breaks for the wealthy, namely not ending them.  

              "will be" is future tense as far as I know.

              The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

              by accumbens on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 11:44:45 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

  •  No -- Linked to Tax Hikes (0+ / 0-)

    That's like Republican kryptonite.

    Readers & Book Lovers Pull up a chair! You're never too old to be a Meta Groupie

    by Limelite on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 09:17:39 AM PDT

  •  I don't get this (1+ / 0-)
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    LaurenMonica
    Once again Obama is using the Repubs for cover to further his corporatist, Wall Street friendly agenda.

    There's nothing in your diary to support this claim.

    •  Just my opinion. Since I don't think Obama is (0+ / 0-)

      stupid, naive or a poor negotiator, I can only conclude that he's getting what he wants by using the Republicans as cover to move the country more to the right - in other words, more to the corporatist, Wall Street side.  Obama is a very clever guy and while I don't think he's playing 11th dimensional chess, I think he is playing chess with liberals/progressives as his opponents (or pawns when needed).

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 10:00:33 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Results (1+ / 0-)
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    TheMomCat

    Who knows what will happen, but I'd be shocked if you are right. I'm not saying you'll be happy with the deal, or that you should be, but I'd be stunned if as part of the deal Democrats agreed to give up on ditching Bush tax cuts for top earners, either by agreeing to extend them, or just by verbally committing themselves to extending them.

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