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Chinga La Migra Bulletin #1:

We are releasing hundreds of private intelligence bulletins, training manuals,
personal email correspondence, names, phone numbers, addresses and passwords belonging to Arizona law enforcement. We are targeting AZDPS specifically because we are against SB1070 and the racial profiling anti-immigrant police state that is Arizona.

The documents classified as "law enforcement sensitive", "not for public
distribution", and "for official use only" are primarily related to border
patrol and counter-terrorism operations and describe the use of informants to
infiltrate various gangs, cartels, motorcycle clubs, Nazi groups, and protest

Every week we plan on releasing more classified documents and embarassing
personal details of military and law enforcement in an effort not just to reveal
their racist and corrupt nature but to purposefully sabotage their efforts to
terrorize communities fighting an unjust "war on drugs".

Hackers of the world are uniting and taking direct action against our common
oppressors - the government, corporations, police, and militaries of the world.
See you again real soon! ;D

I cut the info off right there, but all the released names, addresses, emails, addresses and phone numbers for Arizona are directly below where I cut off in the lulzsec releases.

anonymous is pretty busy, too.  This link will send you to their sign-up page.  You need an email and password.

These are dire times.  The government is no longer ours (i.e., what the democrats just did in breaking news in NJ).  We have a way out of this, but be ready.  Get off the grid and get self-sufficient.

“We are Anonymous.  We are Legion.  We do not forgive.  We do not forget.  Expect us.”

7:31 PM PT: I've been busy at anon, so been missing the lulz stuff.  This update is to let you know they might have hacked UK Census 2011 database a couple of days ago.

They did publish two informants' identities following the arrest of UK teenager Ryan Cleary.  I think that was today.

I'll keep publishing more news as I find it.

Originally posted to shantysue on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 07:14 PM PDT.

Also republished by Anonymous Dkos.

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  •  ohboy.... this I can't support. (12+ / 0-)

    Go after the corporate plutocrats: YES, I'll support that, I'll cheer for it, I'll do the Snoopy Dance when it happens.

    Go after LE and the military: Nope, I can't support that.  Releasing sensitive intel information related to Nazi gangs is not civil disobedience, it's like unlocking the gates to the state prison and letting the violent badguys run free.  

    Damn.  Come on, yo's, learn how to pick targets that'll do some real good!   We're counting on you to get stuff that goads LE into going after the big baddies (Goldman, BofA, hint!), not goad LE into going after you.  

    •  Just the messenger (3+ / 0-)
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      G2geek, Lujane, Lisa Lockwood

      I don't hack.  I also mostly don't discuss my opinion.  I do think, whether we agree with what lulz is doing or not, we better be prepared for anything and everything.

      •  i hear you. (1+ / 0-)
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        And I agree we should be prepared for "anything and everything."  Keyword "resilience."  Keyphrase "resilient community."

        •  btw anon is suggesting taking your $ out of bank (2+ / 0-)
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          Lisa Lockwood, G2geek

          Could be for the lulz or could be Phase II.

          Operation Bank Bust

          When: November 5th, 2011
          Where: All over the world
          What: On November 5th, 2011, I urge everyone to Universally begin withdrawing all of their money from their banks!

          If you're worried about where to put it, then you can purchase a heavy safe that can be bolted down for under $100. You could find somewhere safe to hide it or you could look into a Credit Union, which are cooperative financial institutions that often aid in community development./blockquote>

          •  banks (4+ / 0-)

            People have been suggesting taking your money out of banks for a long long time for a lot of reasons.

            I think the big reason they're urging people to do this is, it'll hurt banks. Another reason is you can't trust banks to safeguard you, and they've proven repeatedly "It's not our money they're stealing" is the mindset.

            Hopefully, the latest citi hack will yield fruit in the form of legislation that forces firms of all stripes to notify customers upon breach being confirmed instead of only when the customer notices money disappearing and has to contact journalists to get things set right.

            Nicht durch Zorn, sondern durch Lachen tödtet man. ~Nietzsche

            by somewierdguy on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 01:20:41 AM PDT

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            •  Yup (2+ / 0-)
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              Lisa Lockwood, G2geek

              I made the switch back when Adriana pushed for the switch, when she was still faking at being with the people, before she sold out to aol.

              I hope you're right that leg. can help consumers, but I wouldn't count on it.

              It's sad to see some of the young ppl at the anon site asking what a cr. union is.  It's good to see them thirsty for info, tho.

              I hope the hacking pushes dc into changing their ways.  Again, I'm not counting on it tho.

  •  Holy S@?T! (0+ / 0-)


    "Good people are so sure they are right!" I believe, this could be the Republican mantra, and they would be wrong!

    by secret38b on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 07:28:01 PM PDT

  •  I have a big problem (9+ / 0-)
    ... the use of informants to infiltrate various gangs, cartels, motorcycle clubs, Nazi groups, and protest movements.

    Will those informant's names be on those lists? Because that could get people killed.

    If the future's looking dark, we're the ones who have to shine... Though we live in trying times we're the ones who have to try

    by Purple Priestess on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 07:39:14 PM PDT

    •  Here are the two articles I read on that (2+ / 0-)
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      Purple Priestess, Lujane

      This one is about the informants' identities:

      This one is about the census hack:

    •  this dump (2+ / 0-)
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      shantysue, Purple Priestess

      Doesn't have anything really enlightening from what I've seen of it so far. Mostly it's just pamphlets and such, the majority from a few years ago. It's embarrassing, yes but aside from a few copies of a couple of pieces of paperwork for incidents and the internal emails nothing earth shattering. It really looks like a random assortment of crap from the server consisting mostly of PowerPoint presentations, bulletins and such which are almost all out of date.

      As for the two informants, if I'm not mistaken that relates to the people who did a log dump and called it "intelligence" and gave it to the FBI. Which is little more than making a name for yourself because if the FBI wants irc logs, they just get them from the server or post a log bot in the channels.

      If I or someone stumbles across a list of field informants the cops were using, that would be one thing. So far the most damning thing I've seen were emails detailing how one officer seemed to be unwilling to face assailants in dangerous circumstances and put other officers at risk.

      Again, this is just embarrassing more than anything else which is par for the course for most of lulzsecs doins

      Nicht durch Zorn, sondern durch Lachen tödtet man. ~Nietzsche

      by somewierdguy on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 01:14:00 AM PDT

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  •  damn dramatic (3+ / 0-)
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    KenBee, Lujane, G2geek

    I'm trying to figure out how I feel about releasing stuff about getting into the nazi or some other stuff. But I do think the things about infiltrating protest groups should be released.

    America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

    by cacamp on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 07:41:02 PM PDT

    •  Unlike most of the stuff on this site (3+ / 0-)
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      Lisa Lockwood, erush1345, Lujane

      I don't think we have a lot of time to figure out how we feel about all the hacking going on.  We live in a chaotic and frightening world and everything has sped up lately.

      Contrary to popular belief, I don't think the hackers can be stopped.  They will do things we agree with and disagree with.

      Just last night, anonymous asked everyone to flood the websites at a specific time for Huffington Post, CNN and a couple of others.  Apparently it worked, because Rachel Maddow mentioned it.  I don't know why they did it.  For the lulz I suppose.

      But I do believe that we should prepare for a shutdown of the grid either by hackers, terrorists or the sun.

      Today there was a story about two guys who were arrested for a planned bombing of a Seattle military building.

      •  those are different things: (2+ / 0-)
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        shantysue, Lisa Lockwood

        Two guys arrested for planning to bomb a military building in Seattle: that's conventional terrorism.   If I had to guess (educated opinion), I'd say either a self-proclaimed Al Qaeda cell or Nazis.  

        Cyberattacks: cyberwar, cyberterrorism, could be anyone; hostile foreign actors typically operate from Russia, China, and the Middle East.

        "The Smart Grid" is a huge target opportunity, and LE & intel are very much concerned about this, as we all should be.  You do not want your home appliances connected to the internet, regardless of what kinds of "convenient" features may be offered; some of the potential risks are fatal, and that's as close as I want to get to disclosing things I shouldn't.  

        That said, digital civil disobedience is not the same thing, even when it's high-stakes such as a cyber-sit-in (political DDOS attack) or cyber-exposé (hacking for publication).  The key distinction is: no destruction of property and no harm to persons.  (Causing a target to lose money is not the same thing as destroying property.  Bad weather can cause corporations to lose money, and they have to live with that whether they like it or not.)

        •  I agree about the conventional attack today (1+ / 0-)
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          My btw about the Seattle sitch today was an aside.  Not meant as confusion in any way.  Just a comment on the realities of life these days.  Have to watch my stream of consciousness writing.  My apologies on that.

          I won't press you on fatal appliance risks, but wish I could.

          I have always believed in peaceful civil disobedience.

        •  Interesting article on that (1+ / 0-)
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          "The end of the Internet"

          The Internet routes packets of data from one Internet protocol (IP) address to another. Every Internet-connected device anywhere in the world has its own IP address.

          This month's World IPv6 Day served as a test run for a protocol that should dramatically increase how many devices can be connected to the Internet. The new protocol will be crucial if many more objects—including light bulbs, kitchen appliances, and environmental sensors—are to have IP addresses, connect to the Internet, and send and receive data.

          "When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~

          by Lisa Lockwood on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 06:39:51 AM PDT

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          •  Exactly. And do you want your light bulbs.... (1+ / 0-)
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            Lisa Lockwood

            .... relaying data about when they're on?  "Oh look, he's in the bathroom now... for ten minutes... must have been having a poop."  Do you want them knowing when you poop?  

            Do you want your fridge reading the RFID tags on your food and relaying that information to God-knows-who?

            They don't want to actually watch you eat and watch you shit.   They just want the data about what you eat and when you shit, and when you sleep and every other damn thing you do.

            And the reason they want those data is so they can predict your behavior.   And the reason they want to predict you, is so they can control you.  

            As far as I'm concerned, that kind of panoptic surveillance would be a gateway into an unprecedented totalitarianism, and justifiable cause for armed revolution.  

            •  Click a few links deep, and read (1+ / 0-)
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              (or just follow this handy linky)
              "The Internet of Things"page.

              Rapid idea prototyping

              At ioBridge, we’re keenly aware of the novelty and utility involved in connecting real world devices to the Web. We also understand the difficulties most face when trying to accomplish this goal. After extensive study, ioBridge has developed a patent pending platform that seamlessly connects real world devices to Web users around the world. Now you can convert ideas into completed projects faster than ever before possible.

              You supply the project. We supply the infrastructure.

              "When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~

              by Lisa Lockwood on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 11:39:01 AM PDT

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              •  seamlessly connects your real-world devices... (1+ / 0-)
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                Lisa Lockwood

                .... to Web users around the world, so corporations and governments can watch people using their real-world devices.

                I can envision a booming business in "dumb" devices that have no computer chips, no wireless anything, no IP numbers, no internet connection: just devices that perform their basic function without spying on you.  

                That and motor-generator sets that sit between your power company's "smart (snoopy) meter" and your house wiring, thereby powering your house while not enabling the power company to stare at your personal life via your moment-to-moment uses of electricity.  Yes, and a 3-hp unit (@ 2,100 watts) will be more than enough to handle my peak usage and keep a battery pack charged to provide me with all the power I need and then some (approx. 5 to 10 KWH/day).  That plus photovoltaics of course.  

                •  I imagine there'd be a real demand, but (1+ / 0-)
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                  it still amazes me how many "smart" folks use smartphones, or include their cell phone # in their fb profile (lol...sorry, couldn't resist the poke at SW) etc.
                  They're asking to be broadcast, tracked, doxed, etc.

                  (This from the girl who uses her rn on the toobz. ;-D... but, eyes wide open).

                  "When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~

                  by Lisa Lockwood on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 12:50:06 PM PDT

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                  •  it amazes me how many people.... (1+ / 0-)
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                    Lisa Lockwood

                    .... want to use four-digit passwords in their company voicemail boxes!   I must have gotten thirty service calls in the last two weeks from people at a client's site I'd just forcibly changed to "respectably long passwords."   There's a problem with the phone system, it won't take my new password!  How many digits is your new password?  Four, is that a problem?  Uh (customer service accent here) for security reasons we've upgraded to (such-and-such) digits.  Can I use my cellphone number?  (Yeah if you want to get hacked even faster!) No, that's not secure, think of something else...

                    And it amazes me how many people post their birth dates along with their legal names online.

                    Legal name + birth date = all that an identity thief needs to start building up a new identity on someone, that they can turn into the means of cleaning out their bank accounts.

                    Basically it works the same way as with kids who get enticed to take candy from strangers in cars.  

                    All of that shit is like "kidnapper candy."  

                    We're plenty "smart" enough to not need "devices" to be "smart" for us.  

                    Though, I'd really like a "smart" password algorithm in voicemail systems that detects bad passwords and tells the users to try again.   "We're sorry but we've determined that your new password spells fuck me, which is not secure.  Please try again.  Please enter a new password of from eight to sixteen digits followed by the pound sign, after the tone..."  (Try having your computer's speech synthesizer say that:-)

                    •  Re good pw, it gripes me no end (1+ / 0-)
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                      but changing 'em frequently is almost as important as using long, random strings of characters and letters. The little spiral notebook is my life! ;-)

                      "When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~

                      by Lisa Lockwood on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 01:51:35 PM PDT

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                      •  that little spiral notebook... (1+ / 0-)
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                        Lisa Lockwood

                        ... could give someone the keys to your kingdom.  

                        One way to make passwords memorable is the ability to make something semantic enough to be tied to something sensory, even if the associative thread is tenuous.  Pass phrases help a lot when it's possible to use them, and I'll predict that at some point, passphrases will become an available option on most systems.

                        I have specific tricks I use for my clients but I can't discuss those in public either.

          •  OK, I'm going to spill some beans here. (1+ / 0-)
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            Lisa Lockwood

            Enough is enough, this has got to be stopped.

            This is shit I was told to not talk about, but I'm going to do it because I'm not under NDA for it, and I haven't been told it's classified, and in any case I don't have a clearance.

            One:  Biowarfare-By-Wire.

            During the day while people are at work, a terrorist virus causes millions of internet-connected home refrigerators to turn off for a few hours.  The temperatures rise to a point above 40 degrees Fahrenheit, where bacteria multiply rapidly.

            A couple of hours before people get home, the virus causes the fridges to go back to their normal cold temperature.  When the people get home their fridges are frosty cold.

            This happens for a number of days in a row, perhaps a few weeks, and nobody notices.    

            However, their food is going bad before its expiration dates.  They don't know it.   They eat the food.  They get sick.  They come down with various food-borne illnesses.   They go to the doctor or the hospital ER.  

            Very quickly it becomes apparent that there is an epidemic.... then a pandemic....  it's happening across the US and some people are predictably dying of these diseases.

            Now the CDC gets involved, and shortly Homeland Security gets involved.  They frantically try to track down the source of the contaminated food.  One thing after another is suspected as the cause.  When there is no coherent pattern, some kind of bioterrorism is suspected.  But noone thinks to look at the fridges, because they're accustomed to thinking of fridges as self-contained devices that can't be commanded to make food go bad.  

            And as a result, politicians clamor for even more surveillance and other draconian measures to stamp out the terrorists.  Meanwhile, the terrorists are laughing at the stupid Americans.

            Two:  Fire-by-Wire.

            This one gives "Firewire" a whole new meaning.  Your internet-connected coffee maker and toaster were such convenient high-tech ideas, and everybody had one so you had get one too.   It's nice to have your coffee and toast waiting for you when you stumble into the kitchen after four hours' sleep from working two jobs to survive.

            This time, a virus causes these appliances to turn on in the middle of the day, and overrides their internal thermostats, so they stay on.  They heat up.  They get hotter.  They get so hot they burst into flame.   Your house catches fire.  

            Dozens of houses in your subdivision catch fire at once.  Dozens of apartment buildings in the city catch fire at once.  Local fire departments are overwhelmed because they can't respond to all the fires in their districts at once.   Fires catch from one house to another, from one apartment building to another, and spread to engulf entire blocks, killing people as they go.    

            This happens in hundreds of suburbs and cities across America, all on the same day.  

            Meanwhile the guilty appliances have been consumed in the flames, so the evidence has destroyed itself.  

            And once again, politicians make noise about vast terrorist conspiracies, and press for ever more draconian surveillance and other measures.   And once again the terrorists laugh at the stupid Americans.  

            There's more where those scenarios come from.

            Washing machines in public laundromats can be made to misbehave in ways that contaminate your load with dirty water from the previous person's load, spreading disease.  Or merely provide inadequate rinses, so detergent residue remains in your clothing, causing rashes that look like infectious illnesses.  

            Cooking appliances in homes and restaurants can be made to misbehave to under-cook food, enabling more food-borne illness to spread.  

            Lightbulbs!  Who would have thought of internet-connected lightbulbs?!   Lightbulbs can be caused to flicker at the rate of the brain's alpha frequency, causing photosensitive epileptics to have seizures, some of which will also prove fatal.  

            All that and more.  Much much more.  Think of your home turning into a great big all-encompassing surveillance machine that can be turned into a multi-bladed weapon against you on command.  Not even science fiction anticipated this one.  

            Ask yourself this:

            Why on God's Good Green Earth, is it even remotely necessary to have every stinking little thing in your house connected to the internet, feeding information about you to some faceless corporate bureaucrat, selling the information about the most intricate and intimate details of your life to any bidder or buyer?  

            Why on God's Good Green Earth, is it even remotely necessary to rebuild our entire electrical infrastructure in a manner that makes it uniquely, overwhelmingly, and horrifyingly vulnerable to mass-destruction cyberattacks that will occur sooner or later?  

            What good does it do?  Does it really make your life better to be able to receive email at work from your fridge letting you know that your kid just ate some ice cream?  Does it really make your life better for your employer to get drug test results on you from your internet-connected "smart toilet"?  

            What could possibly justify all that shit?  

            And who among us is going to be smart enough, stubborn enough, and brave enough, to just say NO?  

          •  My dear, you have just inspired a diary. (1+ / 0-)
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            Lisa Lockwood

            For once I'm going to write this up as a diary.  Using my "spill the beans" posting as the bulk of it.

            Also quoting from that Technology Review article:

            "The new system allows for around 340 trillion, trillion, trillion addresses—nearly 50 octillion for every person on earth."

            FIFTY OCTILLION internet-protocol addresses for every person on Earth.  

            That's probably more than one IP address for every second of your life from birth to death.  One for everything you do, every move you make, every breath you take.  

            What the hell for, if not to track every second of your existence in detail?  

            What the hell for, if not to predict and control your every move, finally taking us to the dystopian version of B.F. Skinner's world Beyond Freedom and Dignity?

            As one of my characters in science fiction said about 25 years ago:  

            Why put a person in prison when you can put prison in the person instead?

            •  Excellent! Looking forward to it, (1+ / 0-)
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              although some of those scenarios made me cringe, they're all to possible in our coming Brave New World.
              Next they'll be wiring up our IUDs and condoms, chipping our Cabernet, and peeping at us through our toothpaste tubes.

              Oh, and pee ess. Who told you not to talk about it? ;-^

              "When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~

              by Lisa Lockwood on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 11:34:17 AM PDT

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              •  have i gotz newz 4 you. (2+ / 0-)
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                Lisa Lockwood, shantysue

                Nano-RFID in consumable food and beverage products is not out of the question either.  

                And there's another version of that, which I call "space dust" or "tracking dust," but that's for another day.

                Re. your last question, that item I really can't talk about, at all, except to say that they were not disclosing classified information to persons unauthorized to receive it.  

                •  Heh. I figured you'd say that (2+ / 0-)
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                  G2geek, shantysue

                  I sent you a link via pm. You might want to use them as a resource/example in your eagerly awaited diary  ;-)

                  "When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~

                  by Lisa Lockwood on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 12:11:03 PM PDT

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                  •  Good lord, Lisa (1+ / 0-)
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                    Lisa Lockwood

                    Clueless Sue at it again.  I have SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much to learn.  Anyway, thanks for the added info and keep it coming as, how and when you care to.  I'm still going through all the diaries in this group (each one leads to link upon link).  I'm also trying to catch up with stuff I need to learn on the other site.

                •  Holy crap in my pants G2 (1+ / 0-)
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                  Lisa Lockwood

                  Can you say OMG I had no idea.  I did wonder if the dvd players are providing info beyond what we're watching, but that's as far as I went.  I'm looking forward to reading your diary.  Glad to be of service.  If all I have to do is ask questions, I'm good at that.  I am in a game of ketchup, so it all helps.

                  Thank you.  And in my reply to Lisa, I forgot to say thank you.  So thank you, Lisa, if you're reading this.

  •  I see trainwreck for Chinga La Migra ahead (0+ / 0-)

    De veras!

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 07:42:01 PM PDT

  •  I hope to hell (3+ / 0-)
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    erush1345, second gen, cyberpuggy

    the government shuts these clowns and anonymous down once and for all. They are not heroes, they're just a bunch of immature damned teenagers.

    "We can do no great things, only small things with great love." Mother Teresa

    by Pam LaPier on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 08:36:01 PM PDT

    •  I've been saying that all along, but I keep (1+ / 0-)
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      getting pushback. "But they're doing admirable work!"


      No they're not.

      Just because some of the places they hack are advantageous don't make it right.

      Seen on Twitter: "Including creationism in science curriculum is like including study of the tooth fairy in dental school"

      by second gen on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 09:10:10 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah this (1+ / 0-)
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      is just way too dangerous.  Not only the informants who can and most likely will be killed due to the release of this information.  Also, the families of the officers since there home addresses are being released.  Granted I don't like the law, and believe the officers should not be doing this, but their families should not be involved.

    •  so: you'd put HB Gary and Chamber of Commerce.... (3+ / 0-)
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      .... back under wraps?  

      How'bout Watergate?  

      And as for "immature damned teenagers," ask yourself how that would sound if you used the word "Jews" as the noun instead.

  •  Anon at least seems to have caught the (1+ / 0-)
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    Zeitgeist/Ron Paul/Infowars virus   I went over to that whatistheplan website and there's a lot about getting rid of currency and the Federal Reserve.  I mean bitcoin is a currency too, and it's already been taken over by the drug mafia.

    I'm all for going after big multinationals, but putting anarchy in its place that will just end up messing up the food distribution system and increasing hunger just doesn't make any sense.  Bunch of kids not thinking things through!

    •  and that's different from GA politicians and (1+ / 0-)
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      the NJ legislative bodies how? (to cite two recent examples).

      not thinking things through is the new American way.

      "We should remember that words are living things and they continue to impact our lives long after they have been spoken." - Ojibwa, kossack, diarist extraordinaire

      by Uwaine on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 12:04:26 PM PDT

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    •  The point, to me, is prepare yourself (0+ / 0-)

      The inevitable shutdown is upon us.  Pull up info on waterbobs, basic survival items if you lose your electricity due to possible cyber-attacks or the upcoming sunspots in 2012 and get some canned foods, for example.  Remember when a deer partially shut down the grid about 20 years ago?

      Just because it doesn't make sense doesn't mean it won't happen anyway.

      Did it make sense to you when you saw the supercapitalists overtake our government and decide we should all die?  It sure didn't make sense to me, on a personal level, but it's upon us anyway.  I was hysterical over the Supreme Court decision two years ago.  I saw what was coming and it is here now.  And not nearly as bad as it's going to get very very soon.

      As for me, I'm on the side of those who want to resist, even though many might be misguided youth who see no future and do stuff just for the lulz.

      As for the anon site, it is what you make it.  I wouldn't know how to hack if my life depended on it, but I'm very good at other things and I'm concentrating on alerting anyone who will hear that we need to set up sustainable communities.  That's my job til I'm dead.

      I'm sorry this is happening to us, but we have to face our fears and not take it sitting down, at least to my mind.

      •  I'm okay for two weeks (0+ / 0-)

        with emergency prep

        If we have total anarchy lasting for years, no, I'm not prepared.  Nobody is.  Even those people with sustainable farms and solar power and whatnot--unless they also have a personal army protecting their property--nobody is prepared.

        How can you prepare for civil war?  If there is no food to eat, people will use their guns.

        •  I'm glad you're prepared (0+ / 0-)

          but some of the articles predict that the 2012 sun storm would affect us for months, not weeks.  Otoh, I just read an article this week stating that they're not going to happen after all.  Who knows really.  And yes many will suffer and die in a war.  Many are.

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