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Michele Bachmann
Don't underestimate her:
She wants to take your minimum wage.
This morning on Good Morning America, George Stephanopoulos pressed Michele Bachmann on her 2005 statement that:
"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level."

Now, note the "potentially" there—pigs could also potentially virtually fly if we took away the minimum wage. The question is how likely it is. But Stephanopoulos went and committed an act of journalism by following up on what Bachmann thinks might literally conceivably potentially virtually completely happen. What ensued was not short or pretty, but it made clear while that Bachmann does not want to say straight out "yes, I want to eliminate the minimum wage" as a presidential candidate, yes, she wants to eliminate the minimum wage.

First she talked about job creation, bouncing from that to her past as a tax attorney, her opposition to high taxes, her history as a job creator, the unemployment rate, her feeling of the pain of the unemployed, and her desire to get the economy on the right track.

Stephanopoulos followed up:

Stephanopoulos: I think that’s what everyone wants to get this unemployment down but do you still believe that eliminating the minimum wage could virtually eliminate unemployment?

Bachmann again declined to use the words minimum wage or eliminate, favoring instead references to "job killing regulations" and deploying the old "tremendous expansion of government" chestnut. But mostly we need to "lift the regulatory burden."

Stephanopoulos: Let me try one more time, so you are saying that the minimum wage is one of those regulations you’d take a look at, you’d try to eliminate it?

Bachmann: Well what I’m saying is that I think we need to look at all regulations, whatever--whatever ones are inhibiting job growth that’s what we need to --

Stephanopoulos: And the minimum wage is one of them?

Bachmann: All regulations George. I think every department. We have just too much expansion of government and so what we need to do is tamp that down so that the American people can keep more of what they make.

This is disciplined, disciplined Michele Bachmann. Stephanopoulos folllowed up three times after his initial question. Bachmann's answers stretched to nearly 400 words and not once did she say the phrase "minimum wage." The only time she mentioned wages was "higher wages."

Greg Sargent flags these comments, saying:

It has often been speculated that Bachmann may drag the 2012 GOP field to the right by forcing other candidates to try to match or even outdo her crowd-pleasing bumper-sticker extremism. Here’s a case in point. Bachmann thinks doing away with the minimum wage permanently could represent a legitimate solution to our economic problems and should be considered seriously. She thinks literally all regulations should be on the table. What does that mean? Do her rivals agree?

Sargent is absolutely right: Every presidential candidate, Republican or Democrat, should be on the record with their thoughts on the minimum wage. However, Bachmann's position is not out of the mainstream of Republican politicians, as we saw in 2010 when several GOP Senate candidates called for the minimum wage to be lowered or eliminated. And it's not just the politicians. There's a cottage industry of rightwing think tanks issuing reports saying that increases in the minimum wage, or the minimum wage itself, are harmful to the economy. (For the record, a study by economists at UC-Berkeley, UMass-Amherst, and UNC-Chapel Hill found no negative economic effects for states that have higher minimums than the federal level.)

At the Netroots Nation panel on the Republican primary field, Dave Weigel argued that rather than painting these candidates as crazy, we have to take seriously voters' economic anger, that if Republicans are the ones talking about the need for jobs and the economy, they will get the voters who care about that. I'm in partial agreement with him on that. Democrats do need to focus seriously on economic pain and the need for jobs or lose big chunks of voters.

However, Bachmann's position shows that you can talk about how crazy Republican candidates are and still be talking about the economy. Because wanting to eliminate the minimum wage is a substantive issue, one that goes against popular opinion and would hurt millions of working people. And Michele Bachmann wants to eliminate the minimum wage, and she's probably not alone in the Republican presidential field.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:05 AM PDT.

Also republished by A Fighting Chance.

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  •  Time to go watch Dora (6+ / 0-)


    -- **Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.**

    by r2did2 on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:06:12 AM PDT

  •  someone should send her (8+ / 0-)

    the grapes of wrath

    I will not call them the GOP. They are not Grand at all. They will always be the WOMP (White Old Man Party) to me.

    by gbaked on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:10:14 AM PDT

    •  it's too thick of a book with no pictures (5+ / 0-)
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      Bumper sticker seen on I-95; "Stop Socialism" my response: "Don't like socialism? GET OFF the Interstate highway!"

      by Clytemnestra on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:19:17 AM PDT

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    •  as I've always said, there are only two ways to (7+ / 0-)

      stop jobs from going overseas-----either raise their wages to match ours, or lower our wages to match theirs.

      The Repugs prefer the latter.

      Which do WE prefer?

      •  Too many regulations? (1+ / 0-)
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        But no problem regulatinf a woman's choice?  Or have phone calls, emails ect intercepted?  
        There will be a lot of people that will vote for her or any repub. I just can't believe how damn stupid people are here.
        And those that vote repub get what they deserve. No health care, cuts in Medicare, Ss ect.Foreclosed. Fired and all the other things the thugs do to destroy this country. Too bad the rest of us have to go down with them.
        When the hell are the dems going to start fighting with all the ammo they have?

        Why are we still paying for Congress's health insurance, their meals and all the other perks they get while they are gutting ours? They get all the perks while we get a pile of shit.

        by snoopydawg on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 03:00:31 PM PDT

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        •  i almost want them to not get in the way of MB (0+ / 0-)

          getting the nomination.

          Just let them spiral down this deathly path until the elections. What more could the dems do at this poin? The only thing better would be if Sarah gets the nomination.

          If obama cant destroy MB in a debate then honestly, he doesnt deserve the win.

          I will not call them the GOP. They are not Grand at all. They will always be the WOMP (White Old Man Party) to me.

          by gbaked on Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 08:35:28 AM PDT

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  •  ANYONE WHO HASN'T (16+ / 0-)

    read Matt Taibi's piece in Rolling Stone about Michelle Bachmann needs to do so ASAP.


    "Happiness isn't something you experience.... it's something you remember."

    by Sandy Berman on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:10:31 AM PDT

    •  Great line in there.... (16+ / 0-)
      Bachmann is a religious zealot whose brain is a raging electrical storm of divine visions and paranoid delusions.
      •  this is my favorite: (17+ / 0-)

        ...she's living completely inside her own mind, frenetically pacing the hallways of a vast sand castle she's built in there, unable to meaningfully communicate with the human beings on the other side of the moat, who are all presumed to be enemies.

        •  Mine is: (2+ / 0-)
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          decembersue, CA Nana
          She's trying to look like June Cleaver, but she actually looks like the T2 skeleton posing for a passport photo.

          We must use what we have
          to build what we need. -Adrienne Rich

          by Xapulin on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:48:47 AM PDT

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          •  Taibbi has some of the choicest (2+ / 0-)
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            one-liners in the recent history of political punditry:

            The world's most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.
            Blount is a stocky, stubby-fingered Southerner with glasses and a pale, pinched face — if Norman Rockwell had ever done a painting titled "Small-Town Accountant Taking Enormous Dump," it would look just like Blount. LeCroy, his sugar daddy at JP Morgan, is a tall, bloodless, crisply dressed corporate operator with a shiny bald head and silver side patches — a cross between Skeletor and Michael Stipe.
            This [democracy] is a very different thing from shopping, which involves passively letting sitcoms melt your brain all day long and then jumping straight into the TV screen to buy a Southern-Style Chicken Sandwich because the slob singing "I'm Lovin' It!" during the commercial break looks just like you.

            And while the Great Derangement, published in 2008, has been overtaken by events -- Taibbi then thought that the insane political polarization of the Bush years had finally been laid to rest -- it's still an entertaining romp through the bizarreness of the religious right.

            Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of non-thought. -- Milan Kundera

            by Dale on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 11:27:18 AM PDT

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    •  Sandy, thx for that link. Though my mind is now (2+ / 0-)
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      Alexi Hershey, Into The Woods

      mush, from hearing  all her weirdness.

      •  1. She's Not Alone 2. Smith & Ford Disagree. (0+ / 0-)

        1.  All the comments here characterizing this statement as one so extreme as to be evidence of ignorance or insanity should reflect on the fact that Michele is not alone in thinking this way.

        While difficult for individual workers, lower wages can make U.S. industries and companies overall more competitive and allow employers to hire more workers than they would otherwise. In the long run, that may make the nation more prosperous.

        There were also conservative pundits singing of this same page of the Republican hymnal during the debate on the extension of unemployment.  Some wag made the argument that more unemployed without benefits is a good thing because it puts downward pressure on wages, which (he magically divined) creates jobs.

        Given the lack of rational already embedded in this line of "reasoning", it would seem just as likely that the inverse relationship would extend into infinity (and beyond.)  So every drop in wages would lead to a proportionate increase in jobs.

        Everywhere you hear or see this discussion there is one essential segment of the economic system that is left out, ignored, or imagined to exist by means of magic fairy dust - consumer earnings affect consumer demand without which there is no need for more 'jobs'.  

        This basic element of a free market economy is ignored in word and deed by the Not-Job-Creators whose supposed tax-related uncertainty keeps them from investing the billions currently sitting on the sideline.

        Two fairly authoritative sources would agree with us and disagree with Rep. Bachmann:  

        "Is this improvement in the circumstances of the lower ranks of the people to be regarded as an advantage or as an inconveniency to the society? . . . It is but equity . . . that they who feed, cloath and lodge the whole body of the people, should have such a share of the produce of their own labour as to be themselves tolerably well fed, cloathed and lodged."

        Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations
        "An underpaid man is a customer reduced in purchasing power. He cannot buy. Business depression is caused by weakened purchasing power. Purchasing power is weakened by uncertainty or insufficiency of income. The cure of business depression is through purchasing power, and the source of purchasing power is wages."

        Henry Ford *

        (*Stipulated to be no friend of unions and anything but soft-hearted towards his workers - all the more powerful that he understood for his own selfish interests that paying his workers a better wage would work its way back around to his own benefit.)

        We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

        by Into The Woods on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 05:01:07 PM PDT

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    •  Faith and family value? (0+ / 0-)

      I think the Jesus that she is supposed to be following would have a problem with her "not taking care of the poor and the sick and the turn the other cheek by waging war".
      I swear for most of the religous nuts if He came back today with the same message, they would kill him again.
      I am so tired of them first shoving the religous ideas down my throat then having them be so wrong on the subject.
      My brother lost his son. They are Mormon. Someone drew a picture of my nephew with Jesus's hand around him while he was holding a sword. When I asked about it they say he is now a soldier for Christ. Sick.
      If we have to have religion thrown out all the time then get the fucking message right!  Christ was about peace and love and helping people. Not about screwing the poor and sick and bombing people.

      Why are we still paying for Congress's health insurance, their meals and all the other perks they get while they are gutting ours? They get all the perks while we get a pile of shit.

      by snoopydawg on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 03:41:42 PM PDT

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  •  Oh that nutjob would be a dream come true if (1+ / 0-)
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    Obama could run a 50 state re-election campaign.

    Divide and rule, a sound motto. Unite and lead, a better one. ::Goethe::

    by Jeremy10036 on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:11:54 AM PDT

    •  I used to think that about George W. Bush (22+ / 0-)

      I am really terrified of Bachman getting the nomination...what if by some fluke, or some more anti-voter bills in various states...she won? With GOP coattails?

      What happens to the country?

      GW Bush really devastated this country...Iraq, Afghanistan, arguably 9/11...and the huge economic collapse...all came on his watch and because of his lousy leadership and administration, plus GOP congress and very weak Democratic opposition.

      And look at recent Supreme Court rulings. Roberts is a disaster.

      I am not laughing at Bachman.

      Skepticism of all the elite institutions, not trust, is what required for successful leadership in this era. Digby

      by coral on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:17:54 AM PDT

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      •  That kind of fear is what a moderate WH is (0+ / 0-)

        betting on.

        We respond to fear too.

        •  Third Party dreams (1+ / 0-)
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          A Runner

          I truly wish there were a viable third party and run-offs. We'd have a stronger Democracy.

          Also, Senate filibuster rules have to go.

          Skepticism of all the elite institutions, not trust, is what required for successful leadership in this era. Digby

          by coral on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 11:10:53 AM PDT

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      •  Just look at the polls. (8+ / 0-)

        On any given day, Bachmann is at the front of the GOP pack, or just slightly behind the frontrunner. You're right, this is not a joke. She clearly appeals to a lot of people. Sadly, I don't think these people are swayed by facts. I'm not sure that many of them could even process the information needed to mke a judgment about whether eliminating the minimum wage would be good or bad. These types love the messenger - if Bachmann says it, then it must be good! (See also: St. Reagan.)

        •  One interesting indications will come she actually (4+ / 0-)
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          runs in a primary.  She's going to come out of comfort zone when she runs in NH and other blue states.

          If she's making 'unforced errors' before she's gotten to the down and dirty it takes to win primaries she shouldn't last too long.

          But yes, the most important thing for voters is jobs & the economy.  Hard to make the economy stronger and create more jobs with the Republicans having a strangle hold on the government.

          HylasBrook @62 - fiesty, fiery, and fierce

          by HylasBrook on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:41:44 AM PDT

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        •  A New Pearl Harbor - Catastrophic & Catalyzing (0+ / 0-)


          That's what she'd need to get elected.  Something that would discredit President Obama in some serious way and play to her apparent message and vision of America as a 'fortress for God in the 21st Century'.

          Of course no one would ever wish for that, or through inaction create a vaccum into which someone else could create that or think it was justified as a means to an end.  

          Where'd we hear that before?

          ... Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.   Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions. ...

          Strategy, Forces and Resources
          For a New Century
          A Report of The Project for the New American Century
          September 2000

          Not saying this is why we've had the many events we've had since 2000, but the folks who would have profited from that unlikely event have profited in ways scarcely imaginable in that decade.  

          People rob and steal and kill for hundreds or thousands of dollars.  

          What are they willing to do for millions or billions or hundreds of billions?  

          What are they willing to do to regain the firm grip on our country they had for all those years?

          I'm not saying this is what is, or even what will be, but only that it must be included in what might be.

          For those who deny even that possiblity, I would ask is it that we believe certain economic classes of Americans are immune from the darker workings of the human soul?  

          Or is it that we as Americans, are constitutionally incable of allowing those darker urges to encroach on the sacred realm of politics and government.

          Bachmann would also need to be more of a 'victim', a political "martyr-in-waiting" to rally her base to greater and more sustained poltiical paroxysmism.  Which is why her frequent "mistakes" never seem to hurt her and present a veritable mine field for her Republican competitors for the nomination.

          The recent Rolling Stones article on Bachmann  got it exactly right:

          When you laugh at Michele Bachmann for going on MSNBC and blurting out that the moon is made of red communist cheese, these people don't learn that she is wrong. What they learn is that you're a dick, that they hate you more than ever, and that they're even more determined now to support anyone who promises not to laugh at their own visions and fantasies.

          The push is on to 'normalize' and 'sane-itize' Rep. Michele Bachmann and she has the zealot's committment to conceal her most extreme beliefs within dog-whistle jargon easily recognizable to the true-believer but identifable as only vague word-soup talking points to the rest of us.  (A Palin that knows how to stay on script now that every word counts.)

          And yet her actual desire or ability to insert herself in the minutae beyond Christianizing America and its Government is reflected in the almost bare cupboard of legislative achievments.

          She is a clean slate on which any who are willing to sponsor her and tolerate her religious zealotry might be tempted into thinking they would write.  

          Whether she would turn on them as well is difficult to tell, but once in the Oval Office, the pressures and influence peddling obviously reach levels not easily forseen until you are there.

          I am not concerned that Michele Bachmann could win the Presidency.

          I am concerned that others could buy it for her.

          We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

          by Into The Woods on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 01:43:06 PM PDT

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      •  As Long As She Got to Work At Turning USA (0+ / 0-)

        into a theocracy, on the rest she'd do as she was instructed by her patron/puppeteers.

        If, by some fluke, she were elected President, there would be a major spike in emmigration and likely a major dip in immigration.  

        We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

        by Into The Woods on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 12:36:04 PM PDT

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    •  That's why I think they'll come home to Mitt (7+ / 0-)

      the oldfashioned Pocketbook Republican.  

      Because no matter how entertaining are the rantings of the crazed, theocratic Underwear Republicans, they just can't be counted on to consistently do what the money boys want.  (Like for instance, deporting "illegals" isn't something Big Business can really get behind at all.)

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:18:38 AM PDT

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    •  I can remember Democrats in 1980 (4+ / 0-)

      Praying that Reagan would win the GOP nomination --- because surely voters wouldn't elect such a hard-liner.

    •  Be careful what you wish for. (0+ / 0-)

      This woman is scary!  The lemmings who would fall for her bumpersticker rhetoric would follow her off a cliff, which is exactly where she would lead the country.  We didn't take W's candidacy seriously enough.  The election should not have been so close as to allow them to steal it.  W then proceded to trash everything he could.

  •  The only difference between Bachmann and Palin (13+ / 0-)

    is that Palin says the stupid shit she says because she knows that people too stupid to participate in society will donate money to her for saying her stupid word salad.  Meanwhile, Bachmann actually believes the shit she says.

  •  Eliminating minimum wage is certainly consistent (12+ / 0-)

    with immediate deportation of all undocumented immigrants and elimination of collective bargaining rights.  

    All are ways to return American workers to serf-like conditions.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:15:46 AM PDT

  •  Wait for it comes...she aint paying (2+ / 0-)
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    Rollins a small fortune to sit idly by....and go...

    "Its was a sexist attack on a legitimate presidential candidate."

    And frankly, many goopers have been open about killing the minimum wage.

    If our country votes for goopers, we deserve what we get.

  •  If their message discipline were (1+ / 0-)
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    better they would point out what the minimum wage and unemployment rates were in 2005.  They wouldn't even have to lie in leading tens of millions of Americans to an erroneous conclusion.

  •  She's about to find out how many people like, (8+ / 0-)

    not only the minimum wage---but even higher wages.

    Her non-answers will eventually rival Palin for sheer stupidity.

  •  Eliminating legal regulations would reduce crime (13+ / 0-)

    John Wayne Gacy was a victim of socialism.

    Or something.

  •  NYC residents could potentially live in (9+ / 0-)

    mud huts in what was Central Park with no more than tied burlap for shoes because they can afford nothing else . . . while taking care of family members who have been permanently maimed by businesses who looked at workers as an expendable commodity. . . .

    I think it's time we brought Shirtwaists BACK into fashion . . . then send Michele and all AynRandNuts a few

    Bumper sticker seen on I-95; "Stop Socialism" my response: "Don't like socialism? GET OFF the Interstate highway!"

    by Clytemnestra on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:18:22 AM PDT

  •  She's saying that people making 7 bucks an hour (16+ / 0-)

    are overpaid. Fundamentally that's what she's saying.

    I was just reading that Germany doesn't have a minimum wage for most workers - but so many workers are covered by collective bargaining it doesn't matter, and they are thinking of creating a minimum wage as borders relax further in the near future with eastern europe.

    •  Another thing Germany has that we don't: (2+ / 0-)
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      A separate minimum wage for persons below certain ages.

      This is a completely reasonable alternative to any GOP attempt to abolish or change the Minimum Wage Laws: Lower wages for teens working who still live at home. It wouldn't hurt all that badly; it wouldn't affect 'real' jobs; it would be helpful to the service economy; it's just a step backwards, but a less hurtful step to the overall economy.

      In the present mood of scorch and burn GOP politics, I'm against giving them any straw to grasp. But I think two minimum wages is a good idea that we have yet to consider, much less implement.

      "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

      by DaddyO on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:37:43 AM PDT

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      •  bad idea. (2+ / 0-)
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        Believe it or not, the companies that offer lower "teen wages" or "training wages", do not lower their profits accordingly. It's just a free and undeserved windfall for them.

        Everyone who does the same job should get the same starting pay for it. Period.

        •  agreed - I fail to see how the average job (0+ / 0-)

          a teenager does in this country, which isn't necessarily giving them any sort of wonderful "education" for the experience, is worth less than seven bucks an hour.

        •  Yes, thanks! why should I have been paid less (0+ / 0-)

          at Micky Ds when I made the fries just as well as anyone else?

        •  And it's going to take jobs away from older (0+ / 0-)

          people. Someone who is 50 and working at McDonalds is probably working there because they're trying to make money to survive. A 16 year old working at McDonalds is probably working there for weed money.

          Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.

          by yg17 on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 11:28:40 AM PDT

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          •  Gotta disagree with every post here (0+ / 0-)

            You all made good points, but remember this: There is already a separate "illegal" wage being paid to separated members of society--undocumented immigrants.

            It may not be the most just solution, but it already works. If I'm not mistaken, the Dream Act has a separate wage minimum for immigrants...please correct me if I'm wrong.

            It's just a thought, and your responses are just as thoughtful. But something has to give.

            "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

            by DaddyO on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 12:07:41 PM PDT

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            •  perhaps you're not aware that paying (0+ / 0-)

              undocumented immigrants lower than the minimum wage is just as against the law as paying anyone ELSE below the minimum wage.

              The solution to the shit pay given to undocumented workers is, of course, to PAY THEM THE FUCKING LEGAL MINIMUM WAGE, not to lower the minimum wage for everybody else.

          •  even if that weren't bullshit (and it is) so what? (0+ / 0-)

            Since when do we decide pay levels for a job based on what the employee spends his money on?

            If I use my paycheck as an oil rig worker just to take trips to Las Vegas, does that mean I should get paid less for the job?

            Your idiotic post sounds a lot like the old excuse that bosses give for paying women less than men---"men need the pay to care for their families--women just use their pay to buy clothes, so they don't deserve the same pay for the same job."

            It's unadulterated horse shit.

        •  Yours is the most valid point (0+ / 0-)

          But...I think this potential solution has the promise to make 'real' jobs pay better, if the same company hires entry-level as well as minimum wage earners.

          I'm not interested in 'justice' as much as I'm interested in what works. This works in Germany. It might work here.

          Anyone not of age is considered a 'child', complete with their own justice system and separate set of laws. There's no real reason there shouldn't be a separate economic system for them, too. They'll get what they earn soon enough.

          But I can't deny the basic tenets of your 'free and undeserved windfall'. You got me there. I just think that reality-based capitalism is a bit more nuanced than that.

          "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

          by DaddyO on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 12:12:12 PM PDT

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          •  you're not thinking this through . . .. (0+ / 0-)
            But...I think this potential solution has the promise to make 'real' jobs pay better, if the same company hires entry-level as well as minimum wage earners.

            Do you think the bosses are idiots?  If you let them pay teens less than "real" workers, why in hell would you not think they'd fire all the "real" workers and replace them all with cheaper teen labor? Just like they're ALREADY firing all the "real" workers and replacing them with cheaper CHINESE workers?

            Do you think the boss will voluntarily pay his workers "real" wages when there is a way for him not to?

            You're blithering.

          •  ugh... (0+ / 0-)

            "Reality-based capitalism"?
            "They'll get what they earn soon enough"
            "I think this potential solution has the promise to make 'real' jobs pay better"

            What's the weather like up there in your ivory tower?

            You display the same subtle contempt for low-wage earners that the GOPers have turned into religion. There are currently tens of millions of ADULTS with families to support who depend on minimum-wage or near-minimum-wage jobs to put food on the table, gas in the car to get to work, and to pay the obscene medical bills they are smacked with from jobs that provide no decent access to health insurance.
            But none of that should bother you, because I assume you have a "real job".
            It appears the "narcissism of success" is a spreading infection that has consumed you as well.  

  •  Right wing is really stretching the Overton Window (5+ / 0-)

    Assume this is coming from multinational corps list of "to do" items.

    If they repeat these destructive ideas often enough, they begin to seem less radical.

    There aren't many Dems or Independents (Bernie Sanders) pulling the discussion and framing to the left.  We need to work on that.

    "My father always told me that all businessmen were sons of bitches, but I never believed it until now." - JFK during the 1962 Steel Crisis

    by Betty Pinson on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:18:59 AM PDT

  •  Eliminating the minimum wage would be good... (7+ / 0-)

    for the environment!

    All poor people would have to walk to wherever they work. No cars, buses, subways and so on, too expensive for a low wage earner. Eliminate that pollution and next we can eliminate public transport completely, ya see!!

    •  It Would Also Create Jobs, Lots of Part-Time (0+ / 0-)

      or what we could describe as full-time, part-wage (FT-PW) jobs.

      For the same wages we could be working 3 jobs.  

      Bachmann could triple the number of jobs in certain segments of our job market simply by dividing the already inadequate wage into three really inadequate wages.

      So purchasing power stays static or goes down but there are more "jobs".

      What Bachmann chooses to ignore is that one french fry divided among three plates is still not a meal.

      We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

      by Into The Woods on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 01:48:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Given Michele is already teabagger favorite in (6+ / 0-)

    Montana, Iowa, and, I think, Oregon polls, I'm sure, like Mittens, she's planning her v-p selection. Teabagger paradise:
    Bachmann-Perry 2012: vote for us or we'll secede!

    P.S.: wonder how many teabaggers are on social security, medicare, and/or work for minimum wage.

  •  Speaking of pigs flying, (4+ / 0-)
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    Superpole, yg17, Eric K, majcmb1

    Shuffleupandpiss actually committed an act of journalism?  Did he also ask her if she was wearing a flag pin?
    Bachmann is very scary. She is Sarah Palin, but with an actual work ethic.

    Republicans are like the Weeping Angels: Take your eyes off of them and they'll send you back in time.

    by jazzmaniac on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:21:12 AM PDT

  •  Full employment + no wage (11+ / 0-)

    = slavery.

    Thanks Jay for the campaign slogan word play: Building a Working Washington.

    by mrobinson on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:21:14 AM PDT

    •  No... (2+ / 0-)
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      TerryDarc, TofG

      matter what the issue, conservative corporatism seems to be  race to feudalism...

      Republicanism: the political theory that the poor have too much money and the rich do not have enough.

      by bacchae1999 on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:37:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  "Democrats do need to focus seriously on economic" (0+ / 0-)

        ...pain and the need for jobs or lose big chunks of voters."

        A lot of low-income workers are not going to bother to vote in a system that excludes them unless the Dems make a serious effort to reach out, excite and give hope to people on the bottom of the American economic heap.

        A heap headed for third-world status one might add.

        "Always remember this: They fight with money and we resist with time, and they’re going to run out of money before we run out of time." -Utah Philips

        by TerryDarc on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:42:13 AM PDT

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    •  You'll get wages (2+ / 0-)
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      Answer Guy, TofG

      you'll get paid in Bachmann Bucks, redeemable at the Corporate Store for your ration of bread and circus tickets.

  •  Hurray! Her Crazy Came Out! (4+ / 0-)
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    Leap Year, TerryDarc, TofG, Spoc42

    Yes, she would eliminate any regulations on wages, days off, and more. Yep, put your kids to work too. The Tea Party is the part of America that would turn the clock back 100 years or more. Since they can't re-litigate the Scopes trial, they are simply going to force it down our throats. Only one way to fight this nonsense. Bumper sticker slogan back at 'em. "

    Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for. Will Rogers

    by Willows54 on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:21:38 AM PDT

  •  This is so damn complicated. (2+ / 0-)
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    nchristine, Leap Year

    Democrats should be working on messaging that sets them apart from Republicans.

    Because Bachman is trying to claim that Democrats are part of the tea party.  They are trying to make those who are unhappy, out-of-work or disenfranchised believe that all politicians are the same and they are different.

    Messaging  should be easy and unequivocable:  Democrats are for the social safety net. We are for protecting your social security, your medicare, expanding health care, protecting minimum wage...

    Unfortunately, there is some great many people who benefit from those very programs who think that everyone except themselves are (who actually need it it!!) are free-loaders.  

    It is al so crazy.

  •  Dave Weigel is smart --- I totally agree with him. (2+ / 0-)
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    Eric K, TofG

    The problem is that many people don't understand the actual policy positions of Republicans who say they want to create jobs.  We need to take them seriously and find good ways to combat their deceptive messaging.

    •  Explain the Republican policies then (1+ / 0-)
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      The thing is it is David Weigel and other journalists jobs to explain the Republicans policy positions so people can understand them. The reason they don't understand is too many newsrooms run the story saying they don't understand and not enough newsrooms try to explain what the Republican policies actually will mean.

    •  I agree with him it's not enough to (1+ / 0-)
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      point and laugh, and that we have to take Republican candidates seriously and engage with their economic arguments. I just don't think that's inconsistent with pointing out that their actual economic arguments, once you get past the faux-populism, are crazy and destructive and unpopular.

      So I think he was making an important argument. I just assess the substance somewhat differently than he does.

    •  the Teabaggers have been our friends on that. (2+ / 0-)
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      majcmb1, pensivelady
      The problem is that many people don't understand the actual policy positions of Republicans who say they want to create jobs.

      Each of the several factions within the Republican Party----the fundies, the neocons, now the libertarian kooks--came to power in turn precisely because nobody knew what their actual agenda was, and the instant they were elected and showed their agenda to the entire world, the more people didn't WANT their agenda.  

      We should thank Ryan and Paul and Bachmann and the Teabaggers for telling the whole world exactly what they really want to do.

      The very best way to beat the nutters is to let them talk, as often as possible. The more people hear their actual agenda, the more people hate it.

      Of course, that only works if WE are not stupid enough to tag along on their agenda too . . . .

  •  Bachman loves Ludlow CO (2+ / 0-)
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    bacchae1999, Answer Guy and also supports repealing child labor laws.  She will lead the nation bravely into the 19th Century

  •  25¢ per hour (5+ / 0-)
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    elfling, Leap Year, Sue B, TerryDarc, majcmb1

    It's a race to the bottom.

    Daily Beast: Will Work for 25 Cents an Hour!

    To find out this country’s real minimum wage—the market-proven low that U.S. workers will accept for an hour’s work—The Daily Beast designed an experiment. Over several weeks, we used Mechanical Turk, an online marketplace for freelance work operated by, to post simple, hour-long jobs to see how much or how little we’d need to pay workers...

    That said, we were able to find tech-savvy Germans keen to work for $3 an hour. Workers in Pakistan and the Philippines who endured my voice for $2.50 and $2.25 an hour, respectively. And residents of industrialized giants like Australia ($2), the U.K. ($2), and Canada ($1.25) who would work for an hour and not even earn enough for a cup of coffee.

    At a buck an hour each, India and Romania brought up the rear. And the cheapest of all labor markets? The United States of America, where we were able to hire three workers to do our job for a shockingly low figure: 25 cents an hour.

  •  This is how you inoculate the public... (2+ / 0-)
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    Wayward Wind, TofG

    ...against Michele Bachmann - keep repeating over and over "You can never get a straight answer out of her."

    Pretty soon, people everywhere will be rolling their eyes at the mere mention of Bachmann's name.

    Stupid is as stupid elects.

    by TheOrchid on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:31:03 AM PDT

    •  Agreed (2+ / 0-)
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      TofG, TheOrchid

      I will never understand why interviewers, after repeated attempts to get an answer to a simple question, are afraid to say

      "I have asked the same simple question three times and it is clear to me, and likely to the majority of our viewers, that you are afraid to answer it with a simple response."

      I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

      by Wayward Wind on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 11:57:23 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Cheap Labor Republicans want a peasant class (1+ / 0-)
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    Eric K

    that is willing to work for pennies on the dollar.  

    The Patriot Act: IOKIYAD!

    by Beelzebud on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:31:22 AM PDT

  •  What a fabulous idea she has come up with!!! (0+ / 0-)

    Just what this country needs -- jobs that pay 50 cents an hour and millions more living in abject poverty.

    Way to go, Michelle!!

  •  Does it count as a job if it only pays $1/hr? (1+ / 0-)
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    I wonder if she would have hired more assistants for her tax attorney practice if she could have hired them for even $2/hr. Why or why not?

    Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

    by elfling on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:34:04 AM PDT

  •  wait... (0+ / 0-)

    Just think of all those jobs building shanty towns for the new underclass! It's a winner of a proposition! Because, personally, when I look at a successful economy, I look at India!

    Republicanism: the political theory that the poor have too much money and the rich do not have enough.

    by bacchae1999 on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:35:37 AM PDT

  •  Quality not Quantity (0+ / 0-)

    Maybe eliminating the minimum wage really would wipe out unemployment but I think to some extent that would be irrelevant. Full employment is a worthless goal if those who are employed are not reasonably self-sufficient given their wage. Employees working for the current minimum wage are already not able to provide for basic needs (nutritional food, healthcare, proper clothing, shelter, etc.). Without a minimum wage they certainly would not be able to provide for those needs. The conversation needs to shift from the current fetish with job quantity and begin to also discuss the quality of any newly created jobs.  

  •  Vote for me... (2+ / 0-)
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    Sue B, majcmb1

    and I'll see that you get a paycut!!!

    Sounds like a winning campaign slogan to me.

    If you love something, set it free. Or cripple it so it can't get away.

    by gayinmt on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:37:55 AM PDT

  •  Does that put child labor laws on the table? (0+ / 0-)

    Let's make foster kids work.  That's the ticket!

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    -Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:40:32 AM PDT

  •  Republicans would say... (0+ / 0-)

    [Candidate] wants YOU to make TEN CENTS an HOUR! They want to take away what little you already make by ELIMINATING the minimum wage!   (So why don't Democrats make ads like that?)

    The job of Democrats is to protect us from Republicans. Who will protect us from the Democrats?

    by Rocco Gibralter on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:41:01 AM PDT

  •  Eliminate the Working Class ..period! (0+ / 0-)

    Hey, at least Michele wants Americans to work, even if its for pennies. Many in her party are quite happy with sending as many of Americas jobs to somewhere else as possible and couldn't care less if the whole country was unemployed! Michele it could be argued though is for hiring Americans ( as long as they'll take 2 cents an hr. without benefits!) Think she's not mainstream? Your wrong!  I was just hired as a sales guy selling Solar shit and guess what my pay is ZERO! That's right no pay , instead I get a Commission that's it, if I sell and when the client pays someday! Try eating on those Commissions when they're mos. maybe even yrs. in the future. But, thats whats left for those of us in our 60's without  jobs. So, Michele's concept isn't even as bad  as it looks , at least she's for wages.  Many employers today would prefer slave labor or indentured labor,  but the pols aren't  quite prepared for that yet. But, who knows?

    "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

    by Blutodog on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:44:02 AM PDT

  •  Well, then, why DON'T the Dems talk about jobs (0+ / 0-)

    and the economic hardships being borne by most Americans?  Why are they so weak-kneed?  What prevents their denouncing reckless financial policy and lack of concern for the working class and the middle class?

    Oh, wait--I know--Obama went to Wall Street to ask for donations to his campaign.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:45:29 AM PDT

  •  Let's Eliminate The Miniumum Wage And Wipe Out (1+ / 0-)
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    all unemployment? Yea, and guarantee that all American lower income employees would be making whatever the Chinese are paying their slave labor employees. What a brilliant idea to hasten the extinction of the working class in this country!! And put even more strain on the government (welfare), food pantries, and charities in this country. But wait - it gets even better. Guess who WOULD accept those "market determined" non-livable/third world nation wage jobs? Oh  that's right - it would be the undocumented immigrants - the ones you and the Rethugs just love to hate Michele. The Republicans can't flush our country's workers and middle class way of life down the toilet fast enough.

    •  about those Chinese slave laborers . . . . (2+ / 0-)
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      Eric K, Amber6541

      Successful strikes (STRIKES !!!!!!!) in China over the past few years have already raised wages in several of the basic industries there by as much as 30%.

      As a result, the Chinese have already written those industries off (many of those factories are now moving to Vietnam and Cambodia, the new low-wage havens), and are focusing instead on higher-wage and higher-value-added industries like infrastructure, construction, engineering and agribusiness. They are currently nosing all over Asia and Africa offering their services, which expands both their economic market and their political influence.

  •  Remember the problem is not just "jobs," (3+ / 0-)
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    Answer Guy, Sue B, Amber6541

    any old jobs, but the fact that for every unemployed person there's also one or two who are underemployed or have part-time jobs but want fulltime jobs, or who are working several crap jobs just to barely make ends meet. A problem as severe as lack of jobs is wage deflation — people aren't making enough money to survive while the safety net is being ripped out from under them by un-American, anti-Christian, almost literally Satanic Republicans like Michele Bachmann. People like her want this country on a level with the most impoverished third-world countries. she's utterly vile.

    Jennifer Brunner for Governor of Ohio 2014

    by anastasia p on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:49:05 AM PDT

  •  Part So What? Part Let's Get to the Point (0+ / 0-)

    So What?? bachmann is not POTUS.

    if she is serious about getting rid of the min. wage laws, why not step up now and introduce the legislation in congress? it would be instructive to see how many "democrats" in congress sign on and support this.

    Main point: there's numerous people in the U.S. who want us to return to slavery/serfdom. we're almost there now.

    "I don't feel the change yet". Velma Hart

    by Superpole on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:52:31 AM PDT

  •  Sub-Minimum Wage Jobs Don't Help (0+ / 0-)

    But it's good to know that Bachmann thinks low wage workers are paid too much.

    I just don't get why people who are being converted to peasants would vote to hasten the process.

    Stuck Between Stations : Thoughts from a bottomless pool of useless information.

    by Answer Guy on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 10:59:09 AM PDT

  •  This is where Bachman (0+ / 0-)

    represents a great opportunity for my "Return to Slavery" initiative. Admittedly, it has not proven to be very popular with most people but the rich seem to like it. We have a lot of people in this country, around 14 million, who don't seem to be able to take care of themselves very well. I mean, they are in debt, have no jobs, poor education frequently, and don't seem to have any real idea of how to improve their situation. They seem to want someone to solve their problems for them. Well, with my plan, each person in the top 0.1% of income earners would be given the opportunity to own 40-50 slaves made up of the unemployed. OK, I know what you're thinking. Say, I am one of those lucky recipients. I now have to feed and clothe these people, but how do I know I will get reasonable intelligent healthy people? Good question. All slavery candidates (we like to call them Uncompensated Labor Cadets) will be carefully screened in order to give all of the super-rich a carefully balanced demographic selection. A question often asked is, how much will this cost me if I participate in this program? Good news! It's surprisingly affordable. You can figure on an operating cost of around $30K per slave; that's only $120-150,000 per year!! You paid more for your car probably. The advantage of actually owning slaves are many. Had a bad day? Give one of them a good beating! Such a stress reliever! Have them do all the tasks you normally have to hire tradespeople to do! Gosh, slavery does make life a breeze. OK, so here's something for you folks in the middle class, if there still are any. You can't afford to buy 50 slaves! That'd be imprudent to say the least. But the Return to Slavery Act will include a leasing provision. Yes! For only a small upfront and monthly fee, you will be able to lease up to 4 slaves, easily enough to carry you around in a sedan chair! What fun! Return to Slavery: it's just good sense!

  •  So we have riots over $2 an hr. jobs (1+ / 0-)
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    while other more desperate people volunteer to do it for $1.50.

  •  Bachman WON'T be the GOP nominee... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...nor will she be the nominee's VP selection.  The memory of the distracting damage Sarah Palin did to John McCain is too fresh.

    The real danger is the huge INFLUENCE Bachman is accumulating in forcing the eventual nominee to firmly commit to far-right wingnut policies and appointees when elected, even while purporting to adopt a more moderate face in the general election.   The nominee may wind up more in her political debt than they are to the corporate community.

  •  My takeaway from all this that dismissing ANY (1+ / 0-)
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    GOP position as "crazy" or "deranged" or "Loony" is to fall right into their trap:

    They are serious.

    They've shown a complete willingness to go to great lengths to pass their extreme measures.

    Their "crazier" positions re-excite and re-energize a major portion of their base.

    They are happy to be dismissed as crazy because:
      1) They get to play victim of the "liberal media";
      2) It disarms us.

    So what we have to do is, as pointed out above, address the root issues that give rise to these proposals (e.g. jobs), and exert real leadership on these issues. Not lukewarm policy-geek stuff, but real firebrand activist talk that energizes US and casts the GOP b.s. in the harsh light that it deserves!

  •  How about a reporter asking this question? (0+ / 0-)

    If I reported, "Michele Bachmann wants to eliminate the minimum wage," would I be lying?

    Wouldn't that work in this situation?

    There are two political aisles: Center-Left and Center-Right. It's impossible to cross them both. Republicans know this and govern accordingly; Democrats don't.

    by Jimdotz on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 11:14:41 AM PDT

  •  The GOP's grand vision for America (2+ / 0-)
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    Alexi Hershey, Into The Woods

    Are there no prisons? No workhouses?

    by meatballs on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 11:20:17 AM PDT

  •  That's not all he quizzed her on... (0+ / 0-)

    Here she is rewriting American History, again:

    Alert Wikipedia

    It's one thing to have an opinion about this issue or that; it's another thing to make up your own facts.

  •  child labor laws are next (3+ / 0-)
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    The Dead Man, TofG, defluxion10

    first bust the unions, then eliminate minimum wage, then get rid of child labor laws.

    corporate america wet dream come true

    Visit Druggybear's Den:

    by Druggy Bear on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 11:35:01 AM PDT

  •  Weigel is right (1+ / 0-)
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    People will listen to ANYONE that speaks to their problems while the other side is strangely silent.  Crickets at night make more noise than Congressional Dems do about jobs.

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

    by dankester on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 11:35:33 AM PDT

  •  Who wouldn't want to be paid .50/hour? (1+ / 0-)
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  •  This calls to mind the line (0+ / 0-)

    that Economics 101 is why they teach Economics 102.  Unless aggregate demand is increased somehow, either if prices fall sufficiently or government intervention, there would be no net benefit.  Lowering wages doesn't put any more money into the economy, so at best, prices stay stable.  At worst, they continue to fall because individuals on whose wages there is downward pressure would spend less, both out of necessity and in anticipation of falling prices.

    Ironically, Bachmann's making a distributive argument -- that it's better to have 5 people making $20 than 4 people making $25.  If that's so, what about the guy making $100?  

    "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

    by Loge on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 11:47:51 AM PDT

  •  This is the Plan, i'm Afraid (0+ / 0-)

    Notice how the repubs have no numbers or targets when they talk about jobs. It's all based on the confidence fairy. Then when, shock and disbelief, no jobs are created because of this confidence, it'll be "What to do? What to do?We need to get rid of the minimum wage. We need to get rid of child labor laws. We need to get rid of the 5/day 40hr work week. And then we can bring back some of the jobs. Won't that be dandy!"
    I give it about three years before there is a big push for this - even if Obama is still in - and maybe sooner if a repub wins.
    Then we can all live like our grand parents back at the turn of the last century.

  •  We can also reduce unemployment to ZERO if (2+ / 0-)
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    Coss, defluxion10

    we abolish the 13th Amendment too Ms Bachmann !!

    To Paraphrase Keith Olbermann:

    THIS WOMAN IS A FLAKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    "Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal" -- Logical Song -- Rick Davies & Roger Hodgson

    by Over50Lib on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 12:40:20 PM PDT

  •  Beware of reduced regulations noise (0+ / 0-)

    When the right, such as Bachmann, talks about reducing regulations, think about where it could go.  

    Removal of the anti-pollution measures, causing a sharp upswing of such things as various forms of cancer, lung desease, birth defects, and general deteriorization of health for everyone.  Look at the issues China has today in the health area directly related to uncontrolled pollution.

    Reducing or eliminating the OSHA regulations, putting workers safety and welfare at risk.  Examine the rate of death and injury in non-regulated countries such as India for general labor activities to see where we could go.

    Making it so that consumer products would not have to meet federal standards.  After all, it isn't bad that in some countries, like China, items produced for children contain lead, now is it???  (facetious)

    Removal of responsibility for companies who take risks with all of our lives.  After all, we all want to live in a third world country, don't we?

    As for wages, few can live in most areas on the current minimum wage, so what would those people do if it's lowered?  Already employers have tried to deduct the amount of tips from workers hourly wages.  So does the right want every young person, and many aged ones, to have to live with their parents/children during those years that they can't make a living wage?

    Yes, Bachmann, and the right are dangerous.  And Michele knows how to package herself.  Unfortunately, much of the left hasn't shown the ability to get into the trenches and fight like the right does.

  •  Let's just do away with paid salaries altogether (1+ / 0-)
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    Unemployment solved.

    That god you been prayin’ to is gonna give ya back what you’re wishin’ on someone else.

    by Coss on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 12:41:55 PM PDT

  •  Republican Minimum Wage=Gruel,Chains and (0+ / 0-)

    40 Lashes minus One.

  •  Hey there was a thing a few days ago somewhere (0+ / 0-)

    on the Net that Americans will work for $.25 an hour I can't remember where I read it though,that must have made the Republicans Cum in their Shorts,Panties and "Commando's" when they read that.

  •  No minimum wage? (0+ / 0-)

    That idea frightens me so much, that I'm a loss as to how best respond.

  •  Did you hear her compare herself to John Wayne Gac (0+ / 0-)
  •  Keep what you make? (0+ / 0-)

    Well, the rich sure have kept what they "made," and NOT CREATED ANY JOBS. Like my Mom used to say, "it'll just burn a hole in your pocket," all the way to China or a Caymans/Swiss bank.

    I guess you have to keep saying it: the point is to be paid enough money so that you don't MIND paying taxes because you have a decent life with the remainder. Not to make everything cheaper and cheaper so that they can squeeze more profits to the CEO and shareholders.

    "You can't run a country by a book of religion. Dumb all over, a little ugly on the side." Frank Zappa

    by Uosdwis on Tue Jun 28, 2011 at 01:59:38 PM PDT

  •  Elimination would reduce unemployment (0+ / 0-)

    If you understand labor is a commodity, and it is, you'll acknowledge the minimum wage is a contributing cause of unemployment. Government price controls causes a surplus of labor -- which is unemployment.

    Just as if there were a minimum cost of $8 per apple, we'd have a huge surplus of red delicious fruit rotting everywhere.

    You can't have it both ways, high-wages for all workers and full employment. It is just the law of economics. Minimum prices cause surpluses and price caps result in commodity shortages.

  •  The comments here are missing the point. (0+ / 0-)

    Michele Bachmann has a plan for increasing employment.  In comparison, the Democrats have nothing.

    I'm afraid that's how it's going to look to a lot of voters.  They'll overlook the fact that her plan would be a disaster.  Something is better than nothing.  We're doomed.  

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