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Greetings, Cranky Users! For a couple of weeks now, I've been whining about how I wanted to see the video of the DK4 panel at NN11. I certainly had an interest in the panel as a whole, but I had a specific meta-interest in kos's now-famous quote about Cranky Users, having heard many interpretations placed upon it by those who'd heard it rather than reading it.

I've recently been too busy to continue hunting obsessively for the video, but aoeu was kind enough to link me to it yesterday. I watched the planned remarks gladly, and it was nice to associate faces and voices with the people we know here as elfling and claude and vcmvo2, not to mention Meteor Blades! But the really interesting part was the Q&A portion at the end.

Oh, hell, I won't even tease you with this. It's a 50-minute video of a 75-minute session, and it ends after the third question, just as Jotter gets up to ask what he describes as two questions. Yes, it does run through the very informative answer to the question by Auntie Neo Kawn about site moderation, which we'll talk a little about below. But no, the famous quote is not included, along with Jotter's questions and the other presumably 25 minutes of the session. I think you can guess how cranky that makes me!

Here, watch it and you'll see! I'll go do some work, and meet you below the squiggle.

So, the answer to that third question, which starts around 42:00, is both interesting and encouraging. Meteor Blades assures us that, although he seemed like an omnipresent superhero at DK3, he was getting as many as 600 emails a day begging for his intervention and was therefore unable to be everywhere; he settled for making statements in some places whose meaning he hoped would be extrapolated to other situations. Moderation was and should be, he states, 1% him and 99% the community (with the site moderator(s) backing up the community). Then kos tells us that, after having Meteor Blades step back for a few months to see what would take shape, MB will be returning in a limited role along with a new technological solution, to which a development team is now dedicated. (This is a short summary -- even if you don't have 50 minutes, you can still drag the slider to 42 minutes, or 41 if you want to see Auntie Neo Kawn ask the question, and hear for yourself.) I know the Cranky Users will await the deployment of this new model eagerly, because we have (say it with me now) "just the right amount of assholeness".

Meanwhile, let's find some other diversions. What about when you have a picture to post in a comment, but you're replying in a long-ish thread and you're sort of far over to the right? The example I'm going to give you is a lengthy pootie subthread starting here -- if you scroll way down it, you'll see a comment from ursoklevar entitled "Prepare for shocker!" If you were to go directly to that comment, you'd see the whole photo just fine, but if you go back to that first link and scroll down to the same comment, the photo is too wide for the point in the thread where it finds itself. How can you figure out how wide a picture can be in that situation?

There are those who have a whole chart of width numbers in their heads, but you don't need to do that. You know, perhaps, that somewhere in whatever code your photo host gives you to paste here, there's an <img> tag with your picture's information inside it. Two things it probably has are height="xxx" and width="xxx", with numbers in place of the xxx-es. Trick #1 is, if you get rid of height="xxx" entirely, you can adjust the width and it will automatically keep the height proportional. So if my picture has, say, width="500" and height="434", and I'd like to make the width 400 instead, I don't need to calculate 500:434 as 400:x -- just delete the height and make the width whatever you like.

greetingsTrick #2 is, having done that, the width can be a percentage of the available area, whatever that is. If I want my picture to be as wide as my comment allows, however it's viewed, I can say width="100%" and the photo will grow and shrink, depending on where the reader enters the thread, and never be cut off. If you scroll down a bit below ursoklevar's comment, I respond here with a short version of this long-winded explanation and an example photo -- you can see, using these three links into that thread, how my picture changes size depending on how wide my comment is.

UPDATE: In the thread, there's some discussion about this method, starting here. Julie Waters and rs debate what sorts of mischief I am encouraging you to make, and at length it is ironed out. So that you can see what's being discussed in the context of photos in comments, I've written up the conclusions and put them in this comment with examples. Unless I'm totally wrong, of course -- that happens!

Now, let's cover one more brief topic today. I saw someone asking about this yesterday (and rserven giving a concise answer), and that tells me that more than one person would probably like to know it. Some people, myself included, have a sig line with a link in it. How do you do that?

Here are my sig, the code that appears in the Signature box in my profile that creates it, and the form of that code:

Support the Pine Ridge Billboard Project.

Support the <a href="http ://74.208.246.166:8080/web/guest/discoverprojects?projectID=305">Pine Ridge Billboard Project.</a>

<a href = "address">link words</a>

So, in that line of model code at the bottom, the word address is replaced by the url you want to link to (it needs to be inside the quotes). In place of link words, you put the label you want to appear in the link. This is exactly like what you get if you click on the Link button in a diary or comment, and fill in the url and the label, except that the Signature box has no link button. In fact, if you don't like to type html and you want to cheat, you could open a comment somewhere, use the link box to build the code you want for your sig, and then cut and paste it in your profile and abandon the comment.

That's it for today, my Cranky friends! As always, use the thread to discuss your issues and ask your questions, and answer the questions of others. Did you watch the DK4 panel? Or did you see it in person, or streaming live? What are your thoughts about it? Please remember to be kind to others here, even though you are Cranky, because we all have our own reasons for being cranky and Cranky.

WHERE TO TURN: LINKS

☀ For more stuff sort of like this, the Cranky Users group.

☀ For lots of official detail about the site and its workings, the DK4 FAQ (frequently-asked questions).  The main Daily Kos FAQ is still here.

☀ To get immediate response for technical help or urgent site problems, the contact form (be sure to select the tech support radio button). Note that THE BUG REPORT FORM HAS BEEN DECOMMISSIONED. To report a bug to the dev team now, you can use the tech support form, or you can comment in an elfling diary or send her a personal message. Congratulations to the development team for reducing the bug collection to a size where it can be drowned in the bathtub.

☀ For immediate catharsis, complain in a Cranky Users thread. These threads are regularly scanned by kos and developers, but it's not a guaranteed way to bring an issue to the attention of these folks. But sometimes you just need some sympathy from other cranky people! (And sometimes, other cranky people have advice that can help you.)

Our thanks to kos, the development team, and the Dkosopedia contributors for their vigorous efforts to deliver a site that works well and to help us know how to work it!

cranky

Originally posted to Cranky Users on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 12:45 PM PDT.

Also republished by J Town.

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  •  Here's the problem with doing photos that way (9+ / 0-)

    if you specify an exact height and width, the browser loads the page quickly and easily and can wait to load the entire photo.  If you don't specify it exactly, the browser has to wait for the size and width information about the image to load in order to load everything else and it slows down the page load considerably when there are lots of photos.

    "The first rule of pillow fight club is do not talk about pillow fight club." --Keith Olbermann

    by Julie Waters on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 12:49:58 PM PDT

    •  Percentage values for widths... (4+ / 0-)
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      aoeu, Ebby, belinda ridgewood, KenBee

      ...do not slow down the layout phase of page rendering particularly; the rendering engine can quickly and easily compute the size of the space to reserve for an image when it has width and/or height specified in percent (the number specified is the percentage of the size of the containing HTML block, not of the size of the image itself).

      The problem you refer to arises when there is no height or width specified at all, and the rendering engine must therefor wait until the entire image is downloaded before deciding how much space to allocate.  This is also not as big a deal as it used to be, when rendering was a single-pass, single-threaded operation; modern browsers are much more capable of re-rendering sub-elements on the fly.

      With all that said, using anything other than the actual pixel size in the height and width attributes of the <img> tag is still a web-design gaffe, mainly for two reasons:

      1. It can make your image look awful, particularly if it winds up being scaled up, rather than shrunk, and
      2. You can cause a lot of added load time/bandwidth waste if you use the height/width attributes to scale down a Very Large Image, like for example the humongous files that come out of a typical digital camera these days.

      I try not to have a heart attack every time I see suggestions of, erm, creative uses of the height/width attributes, but it's not always easy to quash that old reflex.

      •  Why would it be easier for the server (3+ / 0-)
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        aoeu, Ebby, belinda ridgewood

        to figure out height based on a percentage as opposed to figure it out at all?

        "The first rule of pillow fight club is do not talk about pillow fight club." --Keith Olbermann

        by Julie Waters on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 04:18:08 PM PDT

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        •  I'm not sure what you're asking... (3+ / 0-)
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          aoeu, Ebby, belinda ridgewood

          ...but when a percentage of the size of the containing block is specified, the rendering engine can compute the space to allocate directly (x/100 * container).  The rendering engine will already know the size of the containing HTML element because it's been specified directly, or has already been calculated in the layout-rendering process.  This can all happen before the download of the image even begins.

          When there is no height or width supplied at all, however, the rendering engine has to wait until it can query the image itself directly for size information, which will at best be after after it has sent the request for the file, received a response, and downloaded at least the header component of the image file.

          •  Right. (2+ / 0-)
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            aoeu, belinda ridgewood

            If you specify a width and height, there is no lag time to wait for the server to load any image info.  If you do not specify these things but, instead, specify a percentage, the server still has to wait to get information from the image before doing the proper layout.  

            The suggestion in the diary was just to include percentages, not height and width.

            "The first rule of pillow fight club is do not talk about pillow fight club." --Keith Olbermann

            by Julie Waters on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 04:43:49 PM PDT

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            •  I think we're miscommunicating... (2+ / 0-)
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              aoeu, belinda ridgewood

              When you specify a percentage in the height/width attributes, you are not specifying a percentage of the actual size of the image itself.  You are instead supplying a percentage of the containing HTML block, for example a <p> or <div>, within which the image will be rendered.

              The diary does suggest supplying width and/or height attributes, and further suggests supplying a value for that attribute in the (valid) form of a percentage of the containing element, rather than the (generally recommended) pixel count.

  •  P.S. I think we need to start calling (9+ / 0-)

    people who don't like DK4 Dyskopians.

    "The first rule of pillow fight club is do not talk about pillow fight club." --Keith Olbermann

    by Julie Waters on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 12:50:44 PM PDT

  •  Cranky? (8+ / 0-)

    88 degrees and humid. Cranky I am.

    "Small acts, when multiplied by millions of people, can transform the world." — Howard Zinn

    by blueyedace2 on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 12:51:01 PM PDT

  •  You know what makes me cranky? (6+ / 0-)

    Double spaces after a period.

  •  Ooooo... (6+ / 0-)

    Markos nice dig on Drudge!

    "Small acts, when multiplied by millions of people, can transform the world." — Howard Zinn

    by blueyedace2 on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 12:58:06 PM PDT

  •  I am not cranky at all but (9+ / 0-)

    I will say I am glad that you did not post this diary yesterday. I had enough crankiness for a herd of Dyskospians.

    Nothing like the end of month rush being over with to give you a new outlook on life. What was not done yesterday plainly and simply does not get done in June! QED.

    As we discussed in yesterday's J Town, I am sad that the developers gave up on the option to re-arrange the diaries in our stream. I hope they put it on the wish list because when I find a diary that I missed from a couple of days ago, I am sad that when I republish it that it is so far down the stream that it is missed.

    And thank the goddess that Meteor Blades is still doing some moderation. The instances of people with 120 hide rates over the course of several days still having Trusted User status was distressing. It seems like the number of BoJos has gone up over the last week or so.

    Much of life is knowing what to Google
    (and blogging at BPI Campus)

    by JanF on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 01:22:15 PM PDT

    •  Yes, another reason for today (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      JanF, blueyedace2, KelleyRN2, aoeu

      to be a decent diary-posting day. All months must end sometime!

      See above -- I'm seeing Move to Top again; do you?

      •  Yes, I see it. (4+ / 0-)

        That tells me that Move to the Top is not what I thought it was.

        I thought it was a way to re-arrange the stream for republished diaries. That link would be for rearranging the stream for diaries created by the group. My group does not need to rearrange it's diaries ... it only posts one a day. (Actually, it is me but you know what I mean)

        Much of life is knowing what to Google
        (and blogging at BPI Campus)

        by JanF on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 01:53:24 PM PDT

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        •  Well, it's sort of hard to tell. (5+ / 0-)

          My understanding of what it was supposed to do was the same as yours (I think) -- to change the group's timestamp on any diary in the group's stream so that it would rise to the top of the group's diary page. We had the impression that doing this would probably not bring an older diary to the top of the stream of a user following the group, just of the group itself. That speculation was based on the idea that a user's stream uses the diary's own timestamp, not the diary-in-group timestamp, to sort itself, no matter how the diary comes to be in the user's stream.

          In addition to the fact that user streams actually seem to be in mighty scrambled order once you get past what was added today, the specific way Move to Top doesn't work makes it impossible to both test and speculate further. I just tried it again. First I tried to move oh's diary from Tuesday to the top of Cranky Users, but got the message that I didn't have the rights for that. Then I tried to move my own diary from last week to the top, and got the same message. So, if I do not have rights to move a diary written by me in a group in which I am a BlogAdmin, we must conclude that Move to Top is still not working, and we can't easily infer how it would be supposed to work if it did anything. Anything other than taunt us, I mean.

  •  Total Comment Ratings still unchanged. An (8+ / 0-)

    old issue but one which I read was known about and would be fixed.  Mine remains unchanged, that is, it's been the same for at least 6 months....

    "By means of shrewd lies, unremittingly repeated, it is possible to make people believe that heaven is hell -- and hell heaven. The greater the lie, the more readily it will be believed." Adolph Hitler

    by pittie70 on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 01:27:13 PM PDT

  •  Wow... (7+ / 0-)

    DK3.0 had 2700 TU, and DK4.0 has 7000 TU. Didn't realize how much of a privilege it is.

    "Small acts, when multiplied by millions of people, can transform the world." — Howard Zinn

    by blueyedace2 on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 01:56:29 PM PDT

  •  Hai, belinda and all y'all (10+ / 0-)

    I had a tough week, thanks to smoke from Los Alamos, but it's a little better today. And, over here in sick bay, something to NOT be cranky about: my doctor's office called me yesterday and said he'd like to know how I'm doing. I gave them my cranky report, and a few hours later they called back.  He said he wants to tweak my meds, and could I come by and pick up some samples today? Thanks, Dr. Bowdish!

    Hope everyone has a safe and fun 4th. I just bought the prettiest rainbow trout you've ever seen, and I'm off to offer to share it with pittie70.

  •  Off topic? (9+ / 0-)

    But I'm so tired of having to take two actions in order to rec a comment. It's too time consuming.  That doesn't happen 100% of the time, but pretty darn close.

    I know it's not my browser or operating system that's the problem (unless the rec process is broken on two OSs and two browsers).

    On my PC with XP and Firefox, I click to rec a comment.  The page "flashes" for a second and the circle to the left of the word Recommend is now filled in.

    Mission accomplished, right?

    Nope.  No.  Zip.  Zilch.  The number of recs doesn't increase to the right of the subject line after the circle to the left of the rec button is filled in.  I actually have to tap F5 on my PC to refresh the page, and then my user name is finally recorded next to the subject line as a rec.

    It's even more work when I use my iPhone or iPad, because I have to refresh the page on both of those pieces of hardware, and even though I have a great wifi connection -- the time it takes for a DK4 page to load is extremely slow.  Granted, I have an iPhone 3GS and first edition iPad, but still... come on.

    I would also add that many, some, few people may not know that their rec really isn't being recorded.  Yes, the circle gets filled in, so why should anyone have to pay attention to the number of recs increasing -- mission accomplished, circled filled in -- except it isn't applied.

    Very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, frustrating.

    To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

    by gooderservice on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 02:28:22 PM PDT

    •  I believe this is not off topic. (7+ / 0-)

      In a Cranky Users diary this specifically:

      Very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, frustrating.

      I can't even open comments with my phone so I am useless here. I can determine that comments exist so that could be a good thing (helpful information) or a bad thing (maddening to not know what is in them).

      Much of life is knowing what to Google
      (and blogging at BPI Campus)

      by JanF on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 02:32:32 PM PDT

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      •  Thank you. (6+ / 0-)

        Cranky is the right word for this group ;)

        I'm lucky enough to have a fast PC, a fast Internet connection, an iPad AND iPhone, and here I am complaining about having to do two things in order for my rec to be acknowledge.

        ;)

        To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

        by gooderservice on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 02:41:14 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Were I to guess I would suggest that it only (3+ / 0-)
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      gooderservice, Ebby, KenBee

      happens when you are looking at a comment from a comment rather than from a diary, right? The rec is recorded at the server but not reported to your browser until refresh.

      •  Okay, I just recced your comment, and the circle (3+ / 0-)
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        to the left of the rec is filled in.  But you recs to the comment I just replied to still shows zero.  

        I will close this page (Yes, I'm just looking at the replies to my initial comment and not the whole diary.

        I'll be right back.

        To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

        by gooderservice on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 04:29:21 PM PDT

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      •  I didn't have to close the page. (3+ / 0-)
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        aoeu, Ebby, belinda ridgewood

        Once I replied to you and clicked preview and then post, it showed one rec for you.

        To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

        by gooderservice on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 04:30:19 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  The problem there... (5+ / 0-)

      ...is not that the initial rec isn't being recorded (it is), but that the count and list do not update.  

      It's annoying, to be sure, but people's recs are, in fact, working; it's not necessary to refresh the page for the rec to take effect, just to actually see that effect reflected in the count and list, in addition to the button.

      Note that this is true for the recs that other users make while you're reading the page as well; those recs take effect, but they are not displayed on the page you're reading in real-time; you don't see their recs until you refresh the page (or until the page auto-refreshes).

      •  I just recced your comment and didn't reply. (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        aoeu, belinda ridgewood

        Yet my rec wasn't counted by number next to the subject line.

        I closed the page and came back, and then I saw my user name to the right of the subject line as a rec.

        I give up.

        To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

        by gooderservice on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 04:32:47 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  But why does it work sometimes? (2+ / 0-)
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        aoeu, belinda ridgewood

        When a comment is short and I can see everything without scrolling, and the comment has, for example, 5 recs.  Then I add a rec, and the number changes to six once I add my rec.

        Sometimes that happens and sometimes it doesn't.  Actually, most times it doesn't increase the rec number until I refresh the page.

        I understand that other people, i.e., aoeu, doesn't have this problem, yet we use the same browser on the computer -- Firefox.

        To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

        by gooderservice on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 04:35:41 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Are you viewing comment threads... (2+ / 0-)
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          aoeu, belinda ridgewood

          ...in a separate tab, or are you doing things in the full comment tree on the diary page?

          Things don't work quite the same way on thread-only pages.  Which is annoying.

          •  I can't answer that because I do both (2+ / 0-)
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            aoeu, belinda ridgewood

            and never paid attention.

            But I just experimented a bit.  I just clicked to my recent replies and right clicked to open a comment in a new link where someone replied to me.

            I recced their comment that had no recs, the circle got filled, but the number did not increase to 1 from my rec. I replied to that comment, and then closed out of the page.

            And because I had right clicked on that reply to open a new link, when I closed out, I was back to my recent comments list.  

            So I right clicked again on that one reply, and sure enough, the rec number had changed to 1 (which was mine)

            To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

            by gooderservice on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 04:49:48 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  You have autorefresh turned on, right? (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
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              •  No, I don't have autorefresh turned on (2+ / 0-)
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                aoeu, belinda ridgewood

                because when DK4 launched, I believe it was Markos who recommended not turning it on because it wasn't working. I had it turned on then, but turned it off when I read it wasn't working.   I never gave it another thought.

                But guess what?  I just clicked in a new diary, recced a comment within the diary itself, and the number increased.

                So when you said it worked differently, then maybe that's exactly what's happening:  The number increases if you rec in the whole diary vs. if you click on your recent replies and rec in that thread only.

                I will turn autorefresh on now.

                Thank you.

                To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

                by gooderservice on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 05:05:18 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  OK, I misunderstood. (3+ / 0-)

                  Here's what happened when you were working from your recent comments list:

                  First, you opened a new tab with the comment you wanted to work with.  In that tab, you made a rec, which registered, but did not update the count/list.  You then closed that page, and re-opened it from the recent comments list; this caused a new page load, so you saw the updated count, and your name on the list, along with the names of anyone else who recced the comment between the first time you loaded the page and the second.

                  The list and count update correctly in the full comment thread on the diary page.  The list and count do not update correctly on the individual comment pages, but the recs do, in fact, register and take effect.

                  I still wouldn't recommend turning on autorefresh; some people seem to like it, but I find it still causes more annoyances than it's worth.

                  •  Ah, geesh. I just turned it on ;) (2+ / 0-)
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                    aoeu, belinda ridgewood

                    I'll turn it off now.

                    I'm boring myself, so I sure as heck must be boring you.  I'm sorry.

                    That's exactly what happened:

                    First, you opened a new tab with the comment you wanted to work with.  In that tab, you made a rec, which registered, but did not update the count/list.  You then closed that page, and re-opened it from the recent comments list; this caused a new page load, so you saw the updated count, and your name on the list, along with the names of anyone else who recced the comment between the first time you loaded the page and the second.

                    Thank you.  I did not know this until you just told me.  So I won't be hitting F5 anymore to verify that my rec registered.

                    The list and count update correctly in the full comment thread on the diary page.  The list and count do not update correctly on the individual comment pages, but the recs do, in fact, register and take effect.

                    Thank you, thank you -- and thank you.

                    I know this is all trivial, but when someone replies to me and I want to rec the comment to show them I've read and acknowledged their comment, for instance, it's important to me that that see the rec.  (It may sound silly, but...)

                    I understand now.

                    Thank you again.

                    (The things I worry about ;)

                    To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

                    by gooderservice on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 05:21:22 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                  •  Comment thread vs. whole diary. (3+ / 0-)
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                    belinda ridgewood, aoeu, KenBee

                    Having taken notice tonight for a little while regarding when the count increases and doesn't increase, you're exactly right:

                    The count always increases when I'm in the whole diary.

                    The count does not increase when I open a new tab to read a particular thread in response to one of my comments.

                    This is good to know.  Thank you.

                    To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

                    by gooderservice on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 07:14:55 PM PDT

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              •  Not that this is either here nor there, but (2+ / 0-)
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                I have tremendous high speed Internet, more than even Comcast says I'm supposed to have.

                When I run the test at http://www.speakeasy.net/...

                I have 35 down and close to 6 up.

                Yet when I use my iPhone or iPad within 30 feet of my router, even when I click to rec a comment, it takes anywhere from three to seven seconds to fill in the rec circle.

                I'm sorry.  I'm not complaining.  As I said, I'm lucky.  I just don't understand the disparity.

                To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

                by gooderservice on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 05:10:37 PM PDT

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              •  Okay, I turned auto refresh on. (2+ / 0-)
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                I recced your comment here in the thread from my recent replies.  You had zero recs, and when I clicked to rec, it's till showing zero recs.

                To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

                by gooderservice on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 05:15:11 PM PDT

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              •  But once I posted my reply to you, your (2+ / 0-)
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                number shows you have one rec (from me)

                Thank your for your patience.  I understand now.

                To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

                by gooderservice on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 05:16:05 PM PDT

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          •  I could take a screenshot and show you what I mean (2+ / 0-)
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            but based on your comment, I think you already know what's happening.

            Thank you.

            To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

            by gooderservice on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 04:56:32 PM PDT

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  •  Cranky pic of the day (7+ / 0-)

    Not a Bolt Cutter

    For your tougher cranking needs . . .

  •  What did the Dalai Lama say to the hot dog vender? (3+ / 0-)
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  •  How in heck is (5+ / 0-)

    this user trusted?

  •  I am profoundly cranky that I missed this diary. (7+ / 0-)

    However, that is offset by the fact that I was well enough to have my grandson over for 4 hours today. If anybody reads this, here are 2 forms of my disgruntlement.

    If I sort the diary list by "most recommended today" and then move away from that page (e.g., by clicking on one of the recommended diaries to read it) when I click the "back" arrow to return to the most recommended list, it's not sorted that way any more. Instead, its sorted by the default mode, which is chronological.

    Also, why does it often take several hours for a comment that is "hidden" to appear on the "hidden" list?

    •  The hidden list... (6+ / 0-)

      ...is not generated on the fly; there's a process that runs periodically that Does Things that the list relies on.  Sometimes this process can take a while to complete.

      There might be ways to re-engineer things to allow faster feedback, but it's probably not worth it just to feed the cravings of the few users who obsess over the Hidden Comments List ;)

      The diary-sorting issue is a remnant of the larger broken-back-button problem (I believe some of that is fixed now, haven't checked in a while).  The workaround, for now, is to open links in a new tab (via right-click menu, or some-modifier-key-depending-on-browser-and-OS and click).

    •  I'm cranky that you missed it too, (2+ / 0-)
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      but not at you! And also, I apparently missed a good deal of the action by taking a phone call right around 5, and then neglecting to go through the thread again (since it had been VERY quiet) before I wandered off to make dinner.

      I'm glad to hear your grandson was over, and I hope your poor blanket-eating woozle will respond to the medicine and do what is needed. Would they have to do surgery otherwise?

      Hugs!

  •  About the additional information (3+ / 0-)
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    on photo width, given by rs in the comments starting here:

    My photo host is Flickr, but I imagine other hosts do something similar. When you upload a photo, you upload it in a certain original size. If it came from your camera, the original size is very large, because it contains enough detail to be able to be enlarged to quite a big print. If you grabbed it on the internet, as with a lolpic in someone else's comment, it's likely to be smaller.

    That's because, when a photo host offers you different sizes to embed, it is taking your original and reducing its resolution so that it will appear sharp if it's not blown up any larger than the size specified in the embed code you copy. Each of the sizes offered to you has, you will see, a slightly different link, in addition to a different height and width specified. Here's an example of the IMG tags Flickr offers for four sizes of a photo from my camera:

    Small
    <img src="http: //farm3.static.flickr.com/2213/5712827113_6b7cdbbb63_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="100_2713">

    Medium 500
    <img src="http: //farm3.static.flickr.com/2213/5712827113_6b7cdbbb63.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="100_2713">

    Large
    <img src="http: //farm3.static.flickr.com/2213/5712827113_6b7cdbbb63_b.jpg" width="1024" height="767" alt="100_2713">

    Original
    <img src="http: //farm3.static.flickr.com/2213/5712827113_36761f685a_o.jpg" width="2848" height="2134" alt="100_2713">

    You can see that the boldface parts of the links differ slightly for each size, and differ even more for the original. You can also see how big the native size of the original is, compared to the others, looking at the height and width it assigns.

    So, what rs is telling us about use of the 100% width is, the potential problem is with choosing an inappropriate size to embed. If you choose the small size, and 100% of the available comment space is bigger than the small image would normally be, it looks blurry. If you choose a larger size than would normally fit, you may cause slow loading unnecessarily, because you don't need as much resolution as the big size makes available, just to fill the largest possible comment space.

    I'll show this by taking the examples above (leaving out the original size because we don't need two "too big" examples) and changing their size attributes by eliminating height and changing width to 100% for each, as we've said in the diary. This is the interior of the lovely Beacon Theater in New York.

    Small: it gets blurry at this size, compared to below

    Medium 500: about right

    Large: reduced to the same size as the medium, so we're wasting bandwidth:
    100_2713

    So the lesson for using width="100%" is, pick roughly the size you'd use in your comment if you were leaving the width as a number of pixels rather than a percent. This is generally no larger than a width of 500, the size Flickr calls either "Medium" or "Medium 500". Copy and paste the code for that size and THEN remove the height and change width to 100%. That will allow your photo to adjust to the size your comment is displaying at, rather than cutting off, without spoiling its appearance or making slow-connection users miserable.

    •  The question I still have on this topic is: (2+ / 0-)
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      Brass Purity Pony Charges

      Suppose that I have a pic at flickr and it is the one above. the code from flickr is:

      < a href="http://www.flickr.com/... title="Brass Purity Pony Charges by SingCP, on Flickr" >< img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/... width="500" height="420" alt="Brass Purity Pony Charges" >< /a >

      and I want to put it in a comment at the right margin with the width="100%" statement. Is there a way to include the native size as rs suggests is the best practice?

      •  I'm not sure I understand the question properly. (0+ / 0-)

        Are you talking about when he says this?

        With all that said, using anything other than the actual pixel size in the height and width attributes of the <img> tag is still a web-design gaffe, mainly for two reasons:

        1. It can make your image look awful, particularly if it winds up being scaled up, rather than shrunk, and
        2. You can cause a lot of added load time/bandwidth waste if you use the height/width attributes to scale down a Very Large Image, like for example the humongous files that come out of a typical digital camera these days.

        With regard to that, I think the following: I wouldn't use the 100% width in a diary, because that's intended to be viewed in a certain way, like any other web page, and I can assign a numeric width and it'll fit into the diary exactly one way. But anything other than a top-level comment is dynamic in its layout, depending on at what parent level the viewer links to the comment, so I think it's a valid use of the percentage (although I personally usually play with the pixel count so it fits in preview into the space available when viewing the full diary).

        If your question is, can you give the picture a 100% width while still referring to the pixel width that the site assigns to that size, I would say, you inherently do so by linking to, say, the medium size, which has a different URL from the small or large size.

        But I'm not at all sure if that's what you're saying, so if I'm wrong please say so and if possible link to the statement by rs that you're referring to. And if I have no idea, I promise I'll shut up.

        •  Also! (2+ / 0-)
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          The first time I tried to preview the above comment, I didn't notice the "<img>" in the text of rs's I had copied and pasted, and so didn't give it a backslash. I got this magnificent error message:

          ooops error

          I love the use of "Ooops"!

        •  That is the comment in question (1+ / 0-)
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          the paragraph just before the one in your comment is what got me to thinking:

          The problem you refer to arises when there is no height or width specified at all, and the rendering engine must therefor wait until the entire image is downloaded before deciding how much space to allocate.  This is also not as big a deal as it used to be, when rendering was a single-pass, single-threaded operation; modern browsers are much more capable of re-rendering sub-elements on the fly.

          my bold. How do I specify the original size and width="100%" is the question.

          •  You can't. (3+ / 0-)
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            Width is either a percentage of the parent container, or a pixel count.  It can't be both.

            In most cases, a web designer could make the image fit precisely into the parent container by specifying the dimensions of each in pixels.

            You can't do that in comments, because you can't (and shouldn't be able to) set the dimensions of the comment's containing element.

            •  Some more words in an effort to clarify this (2+ / 0-)
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              The browser's rendering engine doesn't really care how big the actual image is; it just needs to know what size box to display it in.  That's what the width/height attributes are for.

              If an image gets uglified or uses a ton of bandwidth, the rendering engine doesn't mind, so long as it can still do its job without waiting around for the image to arrive.

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