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There's a set of Kossaks who, for whatever various motives, claim the title of "realists" and pretty uniformly tell us that "Obama is doing the best he can," that "the votes just aren't there in Congress."

Anyone remember Grima Wormtongue, slimy minion of Saruman the Wise (a Big Time Evil Greedhead, as bad as Blankfein and Dimon and Geithner,) that same Grima who went forth from Isengard to poison, with effectual words of weakness and caution, the soul and spirit of Theoden, king of the Horse Lords, and thus defeat his nation? The "trusted counselor" who insinuated himself so deeply into the King's "confidence" that the King aged and weakened prematurely, and was convinced that "resistance is futile?"

Is that the message of the "realists?"

Not to tee off on anyone in particular, but the comment quoted here, typical of so many, catalyzed my little complaint. The comment was in response to someone stating that Obama could have done a whole lot more to get some restitution from and retribution against the "Wall Streeters" who along with other Kleptocrats are killing the rest of us so they can wear $300,000 "wrist chronographs" and drive $500,000 hand-made cars and own 17 homes and all the rest. And that Obama could, if he wanted to, have actually acted vigorously, like a polio-crippled wheelchair-bound predecessor, even against a hostile House and stacked court system. And that of course he should have been able to ACT, even and especially back when there was a nominal slam-dunk majority where it counted. Says the commenter, the "realist:"

Then produce the votes (0+ / 0-)

Go through rolls of the House and Senate and produce the votes that would have supported more.  If you can show how it would have passed the House and the Senate.  Not just hot air and wishfull thinking but Reps and Senators that would have voted to push a bill that did more to "punish" Wall Street.

That's the kind of thinking, or at least subtle argument, that completely ignores that Obama, and of course the Power People he has chosen to carry out his rule, have been doing, and pointedly NOT doing, a whole lot of "shoving shit through." And doing, or NOT doing that shoving, via the extraordinary power of the Unitary Presidency, issuing executive orders and directing policies, and directing enforcement of, or ignoring of, existing laws, and by controlling the arcs of regulatory initiatives, stuff that does not even have to pass through the rank bowels of The World's Greatest Deliberative Body.

And that whispering ignores or obscures that Obama has pointedly chosen NOT to either arm-twist or use the Bully Pulpit, as many of his predecessors have done, including Reagan, who crapped all over "opposition majorities" in their time.

Missing in this kind of "realistic" comment is the reality that other presidents, and their Men and Women too, have dealt with hostile Congresses and even Supreme Courts, and swum upstream against a flood of Robber Baron money, to shove through, by political acumen and bully-pulpit-ing and informing and enlightening and energizing and mobilizing, what used to be called "citizens" (before we were all reduced to being nothing but "consumers") to push back, hard, with a backstop of the savvy employment of the power of the executive office.

Obama ain't done shit in that vein, and Wormtongue blandishments about "hot air" and "vote counting" completely DISCOUNTS the reality that there still is a "vote," both by the electorate and then by the people's representatives (sic.)  A voting process that, thanks to the poll-axing of America, where the sneaky "scientifically selected" scamming of "what the public really thinks on issues and personalities goes on 24-7 too, in a perverse kind of plebiscitic daily "election" that the "realists" would have us accept is already lost, except in a shrinking number of "safe" jurisdictions. Lost, if it is, in large part and over decades, because "the executive," in the form of regulatory agencies acting under broad or pinched interpretations of statutes, has actively pursued or discouraged behaviors that led to FOXing of the media that used to sort of educate us, and "rules" for corporate and "financial industry" behavior that led to the ongoing meltdown, and the militarization of our national wealth, and shipping of capital and labor resources overseas. And all the rest -- pick your issue, there you are.

LBJ and FDR and TR and Truman and even Eisenhower, and way back guys like Madison and Jackson, with varying degrees of loquacity but with some actual tenacity and apparent recognition that revolution triggered by obscene wealth concentrations and "Let them eat cake" Bourbonism is Not A Good Thing, and a more equitable schema is actually In The Public Interest and Good For The General Welfare, shoved stuff past the "vote counting" kind of resistance that the "realists" suggest is "insuperable." The Beltway Bubble only exists until enough people poke holes in it, stop yielding to the notion of its invulnerability and intractability, and the single person with the most raw power and the biggest hole-poker is The only President We've Got.

Congrats to the "realists," whether intentional trolls working on the long, slow, relentless sapping of the intelligence and perceptiveness and will of the rest of us, or of folks just wanting to be thought politically astute and part of the cognoscenti. Congrats on affirming and reinforcing the notions that have the rest of us, the 95%, licking up and fighting over the tiny crumbs that fall to the floor from the Kleptocratic Nobility's gluttonous feasting from a table loaded to groaning with the fruits of our productivity and the wealth of present and future generations. Makes you "realists" seem all wise and "realistic" and stuff, but hey, that ain't the way real "agents of change" go about it, last I checked.

And gee whiz, until the Kochs and the Roves and the rest dispense the approved Talking Points and inject some filtered, compressed FOXair into the flaccid backbones of those Members of Congress people like you just "count" and accept as wedded to the Fuck the Public Party, these "solid antis" sure do a pretty good backpeddle, when angry and especially newly awakened folks in their states and districts encounter them in "town halls" and stuff, where an increasing few are starting to recognize, despite the flood of corporate-media messaging, that they are being fucked over by the people who already own most of everything. And like, y'know, speaking up, and shouting down, and sending the Quisling pols scuttling for cover.

You know, most everybody in America has seen "It's A Wonderful Life." Which means most everybody recognizes Henry Potter, the man who would own EVERYTHING, and "re-brand" Bedford Falls as a dissipated Skid Row called "Potterville," as readily as George Bailey, the "I really wanted to do something else, but by concentrating on supporting the working stiffs, saved the town" guy. What is with the shitheads who are "messaging" for the Dems? Can't take advantage of iconic images like that, or construct a theme to take down the Greedheads? Or move The Only President We've Got to act, to use the power he has so readily available (ask the average Iraqi and Afghani and Bradley Manning and evicted homeowner how that works) to nudge or push the whole nation in a direction of sustainable socioeconomic metastability?

Oh wait, that's not what the "realists" are really all about, now, is it? Is it?

8:44 AM PT: So how one says parts of a diary it is more important than what one says? I guess they both count, in this space. Looks like anyone posting here needs to really grow a new set of antennae, tuned for all the potential "high dudgeon" triggers. I'll work on that. In the meantime, how about setting aside the outrage and looking at the other parts?  

My obviously too obscure point is that had the President and his people actually wanted Change, in the direction of a less predatory and destructive nation, they could have worked harder to master the messaging, done some LBJ/FDR etc. arm-twisting and buttonholing, and of course done a lot more to activate the citizenry, explain what's being done to them, and given them some leadership in how to face down the "antis" and kleptocrats.

And of course there's the pretty obvious failure of our President to use the powers of the office, which he so freely uses for other purposes, to take action against the Wall Streeters and other predators, among other powers he has, and it's just my personal view from decades of watching (and as a federal employee during the Carter-Reagan transition, experiencing)  the effective use of executive power to achieve certain ends, without regard to legislative changes or even to existing, pretty well settled law, that tells me this guy and his people are not really interested in doing that "progressive" stuff.

To all you offended "realists," whatever your involvement and participation, if you are busy doing God's work making things more fair and better for the 95% of us Americans, bless you and your works. But please ask your President to do a little less of that higher-order chess that does stuff like making Social Security not an insurance structure with premiums long since paid, but a way to dodge making the few who are eating our lunch, and breakfast and dinner too, pay their fair share, and pay restitution for the TRILLIONS they have stolen from the rest of us and now sit back waiting for us to create real wealth again, so they can securitize it and bubble it and tranche it and casino it so we can transfer more TRILLIONS  to them.

That list some of you you say I am obligated to produce -- you have a list of your own, and a nice appreciation of what "business as usual" is, and who, barring some external force, goes along with the Money. What I am saying is that the "antis" can be overpowered, HAVE been overpowered, by more General-Welfare-motivated presidents in the past. Setting there and saying that these guys and gals are Reds or DINOs and those are Others, and that that is Just The Way It Is, and that no amount of bully-pulpit and actual General Welfare leadership will change the painful and descending-toward-feudalism reality, and you have the lists of Votes to prove it, does not get to a more just society.

In the meantime, do your I-am-so-offended all you want. What do they say, "It's a free country," isn't it? That will take us a long way together, right?

Originally posted to jm214 on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 05:31 AM PDT.

Also republished by Trolls.


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  •  Obama is doing what he can (14+ / 0-)

    Noam Chomsky, asked what he would do if he was president, said he would do pretty much what Obama is doing.

    Global warming is the inconvenient truth, nuclear power is the inconvenient alternative.

    by eigenlambda on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 05:36:32 AM PDT

  •  No tip from me (16+ / 0-)

    I suppose I could be labeled a 'realist' by your definition, but neither you nor I actually know what Obama does behind the closed doors of the Oval Office.  At times, leaks do emerge about confrontations between the President and members of Congress who sit on the other side of the aisle.  Until I have spent a day walking in the President's shoes, I can't judge how he conducts private meetings in the White House.  And, if you expected him to be a flaming progressive, you weren't paying attention.  

    •  Make no mistake about it... (1+ / 0-)
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      Tortmaster's more than mere speculation, to conclude that the Prez has a gun to his head, hostage to right wing majorities, who are the ones Really in a position to do the arm twisting, backroom deals, coercion, co-optation, and yes, even corruption, with all of the very considerable resources they can bring to bear, to prevent, block and sabotage progressive motion, on any given issue, any way they can.

      And every issue is inextricably linked to every other issue in the convoluted matrix of onerous compromises required to get even the most inadequate, fucked up things accomplished, let alone to defend everything accomplished in the past.

      When we achieve actual real progressive/moderate Democratic Majorities, NOT rotten with Blue Dogs, and the rubber finally hits the road with some real, material traction, THEN, and ONLY THEN, we'll see what the Prez is really made of, once liberated from that dictatorship of right wing majorities.

      And Only then will we be in a material position to "make" him do Anything, OR to replace him with more viable leadership.

      Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

      by Radical def on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 03:40:35 PM PDT

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  •  I disagree with all of this (9+ / 0-)

    I'm not about to say anyone is wrong to criticize Obama.  I'm also not going to say people, who defend the political realities, are wrong.

    If you can't resolve these two positions, you lack the intellectual maturity to fairly participate in political discussion.

    I personally don't want to see anymore expansion of the executive branch.  Every additional power granted to the President has resulted in a greater negative within a few decades.

    I also don't want to see the Congress taking the President to the Supreme Court, as this would tie up all three branches of government.

    If you had advanced a unitary executive argument without attacking other users, I might have given this diary more credence.

    •  agreed (4+ / 0-)
      If you can't resolve these two positions, you lack the intellectual maturity to fairly participate in political discussion.

      the problems are real.  they are harder to solve than many let on.

    •  I'm a Vietvet, and I have personally felt the (1+ / 0-)
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      pain that comes from a unitary executive and a supine Congress. Maybe you have heard even Gates voice his reservations about "wars of choice?"

      I am not arguing for extension of that power. I personally feel that we have run our course as a republic, and are well into imperial decline and descent into a feudal Kleptocracy.

      But I am enough of a "realist" to observe that, without adding a nickel's worth of additional clout to the existing executive branch, Obama and his staff could do all kinds of stuff, with rulemaking, with executive orders, with directions to his cabinet and agency heads that, oh, the country ought to put a little more effort into infrastructure repair or "green" manufacturing like solar/PV (even on the White House roof, maybe), and just STOP the enormous, apparently infinite mess that is still building in the "financial industry" whose principle product is apparently counterfeit money that has to be given value by huge, serial transfers of real wealth. And similar stuff.

      "Attacking other users"? Not my intention at all, obviously I need to adjust my sights and account for the windage here. This diary is now dead, apparently by my own insensitively inept hand. But am I missing something, or is there not actually some substance to the argument I aimed at, that first, the "list" of who in Congress (and even state legislatures) votes which way is subject to a lot of change, depending in large part and over time on how the President uses his power and influence and presence? And second, that the already highly unitary executive can be used and has been used very effectively by Red presidents to effectuate THEIR programs and preferences, and is not being used that way and in fact is being used to further feudalize us by the president we helped elect?

      This ain't about "ponies," people, it's about what this place is going to look like in the short and long term. And whether the President is invested in anything other than that slow but accelerating drift into a two-class feudalism.

      "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

      by jm214 on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 09:08:10 AM PDT

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  •  There Are 2 Tasks for All Politicians in Democracy (9+ / 0-)

    Performance and motivation.

    They're measured on the combination every 2 years, and Democrats just had their worst nationwide, up and down defeat in a century.

    Never mind what their politics are or who their target constituencies are. Whoever and whatever they're working for, the very rich or the least among us, at this moment they're one of the epic disasters of American political history.

    With the loss of the House they're mostly cut off from performance for the 18 months till the next election. That leaves motivation as only thing we've got to work with.

    Anyone think a stiff dose of hippie punching will solve this?

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 05:48:47 AM PDT

  •  Yes, he could have done much more. (4+ / 0-)

    As a senator, his action could have matched his words and he could have voted against FISA changes/Telcomm immunity. He could have voted against TARP.

    As president, he could have not surrounded himself with Wall St insiders.  He could have actual lead on repeal the Bush tax cuts when he took office with a democratic majority in congress rather then leading the charge to extend them as they were about to lose that majority two years later.

    He could have lead on passing a Health Care Bill that would have reduced the cost of of healthcare for a middle class barely keeping the heads above water.

    He could have not gotten into a pissing contest with the professional left or right for that matter and actual lead on some issue.  There is no leadership on any of the key issues. Obama passes the buck to congress and they are just worried about playing to the polls to cover their own a$$es.

    The fiscal deterioration of the country has accelerated since Bush left office. Gross debt as a share of the GDP has gone up 26%.  He just gave the keys to the treasury to Wall St after they just finished bringing the country to it's knees.

    His education czar, Arne Duncan is a "blame/fire, strip them of pay and befits" republican wet dream.  

  •  WHINE!!! Where's My Pony?!!! (6+ / 0-)
    (ask the average Iraqi and Afghani and Bradley Manning and evicted homeowner how that works)

    First off, you wanted to use "or", not "and".

    Lumping together all of these groups suggests very simple thinking.


    Wormtongue blandishments about "hot air" and "vote counting" completely DISCOUNTS the reality that there still is a "vote,"

    Yep, and we got the numbers we got.

    Democracy and all- Though apparently you'd prefer a dictatorship, as long as you got to pick the dictator?

    Listen, go whine about the pony you were promised to folks somebody else.

    Or better yet, go read what Obama actually said during the campaign, and how our government actually works- separation of powers, judicial review, all of that.

  •  Didn't Get Too Far in This Diary (15+ / 0-)

    Because of the attacks on people, rather than on opinions.

    Find me fast on Daily Kos by following me.

    by bink on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 05:54:21 AM PDT

  •  I love how 'critics' never call names. (22+ / 0-)

    it's ALWAYS about policy.  

    you never directly addressed this, either... amazingly enough:

    Go through rolls of the House and Senate and produce the votes that would have supported more.  If you can show how it would have passed the House and the Senate.  Not just hot air and wishfull thinking but Reps and Senators that would have voted to push a bill that did more to "punish" Wall Street.

    the answer to this would be a LIST, not an opinion-laden paragraph citing what you think that ignores.  a LIST.  of NAMES.

    "I be the first to set off sh*t, last to run." ~Clifford Smith

    by mallyroyal on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 05:59:43 AM PDT

  •  German Potato Salad (14+ / 0-)

    German Potato Salad - CabinGirl's Family Recipe

    Sauté a sweet onion (large) and pkg of bacon (thick sliced, cut up). Set aside and let cool.

        5 tbsp of cider vinegar
        3 tbsp of sugar,
        salt ( 1/2 tsp?)

    Add the bacon and onions to mix.

    Throw in 4 pounds of potatoes that have been cooked/peeled/cut into slices and mix in.
    Keep at room temp and season with the vinegar, sugar, s/p as needed-

    I did half a pound of thick sliced bacon with about 3.5 pounds (maybe 4?) of red potatoes

  •  Urgh gotta fart (4+ / 0-)

    Oh look.  A diary I can fart in.


    See ya!


    by slippytoad on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 06:21:35 AM PDT

  •  Wake me (7+ / 0-)

    When I'm more of a wraith... 'cuz those suckers are badass.

    Full Disclosure: I am an unpaid shill for every paranoid delusion that lurks under your bed - but more than willing to cash any checks sent my way

    by zonk on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 06:24:58 AM PDT

  •  "relentless sapping of the intelligence..." (13+ / 0-)

    Unintentionally hilarious.  This diary sadly reflects the decline, fall and collapse of education -- of civic education, of logic, of social science and political science reasoning and basic writing.

    The result: there sadly are many people on the left who think that sloganeering is the same as writing analysis.

  •  When you combine... (13+ / 0-)

    ... the terms "reality/realist" and "Lord of the Rings", you've lost me entirely.

  •  Well, Mr. or Ms. Diarist, (14+ / 0-)

    I believe you may have succeeded in your goal "not to tee off anyone in particular".  You have instead teed off a lot of people in general.

    The paragraph in which you describe the dreaded realists as either trolls or "folks just wanting to be thought politically astute" is especially charming.

    Bet you'll change a lot of minds with this.

    •  Right? Infiltrate a partisan Democratic venue (5+ / 0-) deliberately sow cynical defeatism and demoralization, and promulgate electoral boycott and/or splitting  lines, deliberately helping the right to suppress likely Democratic voter turnout...

      And then they call the partisan Democrats who object to their jive ass line a bunch of freakin' "trolls", even slinging donuts, ganging up, and driving as many partisans as they can from the venue.

      They relentlessly flood the site as much as they can, even to the point of sometimes even outnumbering the partisans online at any given moment, or in any particular create a contrived illusion of "dissent" within the ranks, projecting supposed absolute non-viability of the Prez and the advance their own weaseling, duplicitous, absolutely unprincipled anti-Democratic line.

      Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

      by Radical def on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 08:24:00 AM PDT

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  •  Something ironic (16+ / 0-)

    about someone who posts a diary ridiculing "realists" for not being real when the diarist seems steeped in the fiction of Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter.

    Have  a donut for your insults.

  •  Members like the Diarist are the Grimas (3+ / 0-)
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    He hasn't made everything perfect, made farts smell like roses, and made all conservatives smack their foreheads and realize they are wrong, so let's stay home and "punish" the Obama and the Democrats.

    THEY are the ones who are as obstinate as the Tea-thuglicans, if they don't get their way 100000% of the time, they want to whine and cry and take their ball and go home.

    See how well that works, just like last fall. Immature fools.

    WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

    by IARXPHD on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 06:56:30 AM PDT

    •  I think it's more insidious than that... (9+ / 0-) many cases, those who take the hardest left line are those who, in fact, refuse to participate in "bourgeois" elections, calling instead for electoral boycott or the abstract symbolic gesture of a wasted split vote for a guaranteed loser "alternative"..."on principle".

      Believe it or not, "some" on the left actually do want the Republicans to prevail.  

      I'm not making this up.  If you peruse hard left (and anarchist) venues and literature, you'll find many such assertions.

      Their "analysis" is that the increasingly heinous imprecations of unbridled fascism, completely running amok, will supposedly, theoretically, finally, eventually, goad the masses into a revolutionary uprising, to overthrow capitalism, once and for all.

      Their attacks (disingenuously posing as "principled criticism"), relentlessly slagging Mr Obama and the Democrats with subjective, hyperbolic oppositionalist ad hominem slander and craven bullshit like that he woulda coulda shoulda run roughshod over the Republicans, even while subject to right wing all based on a belief that Democratic victory and bourgeois reform will only serve to put the masses to sleep, with an illusion that everything is all good...thus preserving capitalism.

      Indeed, this is the same exact "analysis" and line that led to the rise of Hitler, Nixon, Reagan and Bush...refusing to unite behind the most viable liberal bourgeois party and candidates to block the right from power...deliberately hoping that more drastic further deterioration of conditions for the masses will lead to revolution.

      We can all see how well that has worked out, historically...yet they persist in promulgating their boycott and splitting lines, because they are bogged down in 100 year old catechisms of revolutionary theory and practice.

      They put all their energy into weaseling for sectarian hegemony amongst each other, and strutting their oppositionalist hysteria, which more frequently than not is also aimed at the very people whose interests they pretend to "represent" and "fight" for.

      While they subjectively scream bloody murder about the wars and other suffering, as if they care, so damn much, in fact, they want moar of it, because they're convinced that's what it will take to prod the "sheeple" into revolution.

      Their misanthropic contempt for the masses knows no bounds, really, for all their posturing and posing about how they are sooo "concerned" about the "issues"...they would condemn the whole world to fascism, in the delusion that this will ultimately, eventually, resolve the contradictions.

      Kinda like the notion that an elite dictatorship of any stripe, even a "communist" one, is the only path to genuine revolutionary transformation of society.

      They don't trust the masses, and don't believe in democracy, even though, in fact, that's actually really the root theoretical basis of their entire supposed world view, whether "communist", "socialist" or "anarchist".

      Go figure...  

      I think much of the "left" has been heavily infiltrated, manipulated and co-opted by the right, to this end.

      Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

      by Radical def on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 08:02:41 AM PDT

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      •  Comment of the day. nt. (7+ / 0-)

        Fuck me, it's a leprechaun.

        by MBNYC on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 08:18:56 AM PDT

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        •  Oh, but Ima "troll", lol...Ima "left-basher" (2+ / 0-)
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          I got yur freakin' leprechaun...


          I've been HR'd mercilessly, heh, for lulzing on purported "left" contrived troll personas, who could be anyone, in an anonymous venue...but all tend to bring the same line, more or less, of "Obama and teh Dems Sux" (a banable offense on dkos, supposedly).

          I don't blame 'em for being pissed...nobody likes to be called a pig, or a dupe, heh.

          But I'm willing to take my lumps, and to submit to the popular democratic consensus of Community Moderation...

          I do find it frustrating that few seem willing or able to bring themselves to engage in that regard however, seeming to think that we "need" the freakin' practice, or something, in refuting such "left" oppositionalist lines, or that we somehow "need" to "tolerate" even the most shit-headed "opinions", in order to be democratic, progressive, and even revolutionary.

          Oh well...

          We don't "need" a traitorous fifth column of monopoly corporate fascist pigs and their seditious right wing reactionary fundamentalist counter-revolutionary anti-democratic "clients", to be democratic...

          This is the USA, and we aspire to be democratic, even though most realize we aren't there yet, by a long shot.

          If anyone can do it, we can.

          This is not 1917 freakin' Russia, or Europe in the 1800's, nor even 1945 China, or 50's Cuba, or 60's Africa.

          Conditions have changed.  The prospect for real democracy has never been so good.  We haz the internets now.

          It's time to seize the power, for real, right now, like our comrades in Latin America have been doing.

          The right must be purged from all levers of power, and suppressed, to the greatest extent possible, democratically, electorally, legislatively, and judicially...and militarily, to the extent that they "rise up" militarily.

          THEN we can sort out the freakin "moderates", "liberals", and "progressives", democratically, electorally, with modest electoral, campaign financing, and media reforms, among so many other urgent priorities, such that more viable democracy can ensue...for justice and peace, to save the planet, with some hope, for a change.

          The most correct left line at this time is to bring principled solidarity to the Prez and the Party, to crush the Republicans (and Blue Dogs).

          It's do or die.  The ice caps are melting, faster and faster.

          Anyone who would help the right to seize and hold the power is....making a serious counter-revolutionary error, to be charitable about it.

          Seize the Time!  Seize the Power!

          Bring the Better Democrats!

          All Out for 2012!

          All Power to the People!

          Death to Capitalism, as we now know it, and it's moribund form, Fascism!


          Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

          by Radical def on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 10:02:25 AM PDT

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      •  radical def - left infilrated (1+ / 0-)
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        hi RD - just tagging your comment so i can easily find it when needed.  it was that good. thank you.

        "Oh changed your hair color? It's just so dark. You like it? And with your skin tone?" My Beloved Mom, December 25 2007, once again on notice.

        by Christin on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 10:52:31 AM PDT

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        •  Thanks...I think (2+ / 0-)
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 that like the vowel dude's revolving urn?

          Or did you mean it in a good way?

          Just wondering, heh...

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          by Radical def on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 11:18:02 AM PDT

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          •  LOLs. (2+ / 0-)
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            i have a billion typos and mistakes per post.
            i give up.
            i'm always bad. but am now using a wireless keyboard that i hate and sometimes theres a delay.
            no - your comment was so good i might be quoting it a lot. :-)

            "Oh changed your hair color? It's just so dark. You like it? And with your skin tone?" My Beloved Mom, December 25 2007, once again on notice.

            by Christin on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 12:07:48 PM PDT

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      •  Hey Radical, did you really mean "imprecations" (0+ / 0-)

        or maybe "manifestations?"

        I hope you aren't bundling me in with that tiny group you spend so much invective on here. I voted for Obama, was lulled to sleep by the promise of Hope and Change even though I read the stuff on the now vanished pre-election web site that made it pretty clear the guy and his group were not about any kind of radical or even palliative change -- e.g., health care, and of course that other most American of pastimes and fool's errands (unless you are a contractor), "wars of choice."

        All I would like to have conveyed is disappointment that Obama has not panned out as a Lincoln or even a Jackson, and has not used the persuasive or compelling powers of the office to do anything to derail the several bad things, like the ascendancy of the "financial industry," that are trashing the vast majority of us Americans, whatever weird and beautiful political ephemera and "wraiths" we perceive and follow.

        When the Reaganauts took power, which they did TAKE, I was working as an enforcement attorney for the US EPA. Overnight, we were told to stop generating any new enforcement actions and to kill off a bunch that were in the pipeline. And that henceforth we were to be providing "customer service," and our "customers" were the industries we were heretofore supposed to "regulate" by detecting often blatant and dangerous violations of environmental laws. That was ACTION, albeit in my moral structure EVIL, and I see more of INACTION by the Obama administration, or more subtle but slanted action to preserve and extend the run of wealth concentration and impoverishment and diminution of the dying middle class.

        But hey, that's just me, who was unwise enough to step on certain toes.

        "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

        by jm214 on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 11:24:32 AM PDT

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        •  ah...thx, made me look it up (0+ / 0-)

          I guess I meant something more along the lines of the evil, cursed manifestations, heh, rather than "calling down a curse".

          I would just point out that since the time you were at EPA, the right has indeed imbedded many corporate operatives throughout it, and all other regulatory agencies, over the past 30 years.

          You might recall the adamant struggle on the right, continuing to this day, to completely throw out EPA, ESA, etc., which, in fact, the Democrats have managed, often just barely, due to low plurality, to prevent from succeeding...although always at egregious cost.

          In response, the Chamber of Commerce dictatorship of monopoly corporate fascist right wing majorities has had to do an end run, seeking to infiltrate and sabotage such agencies, stacking them with political appointees, cutting funding and staffing in general, to considerable effect, it's true.

          But, in fact, the Obama administration has made some gains in somewhat turning back that tide...yet remains severely constrained in that regard by continuing remnant right wing majorities, even worse now than in '08.

          Ignoring that realpolitik of right wing majorities, since day one of this administration with all those Blue Dogs in there, can only be duplicitous, disingenuous weaseling, or foolish naivete.

          The overwhelming majority of "Americans" want to go green, some 80%...and are willing to pay more for it.

          But the right refuses to submit to the popular democratic will, and persists in its murderous rip off pursuit of "private" profits over and against the public interest.

          It is incorrect to "blame" Mr. Obama for our own "failure" to stomp the right down, and kick their ass, until they can Nevah come back.

          That's on us, the electorate, to do, not him, especially when he's still got a gun to his head, hostage to right wing majorities.

          The 30 year legacy of low turnout by likely Democratic voters will not be reversed in one term, or even two...

          Many of the right wing reactionary conservative corporate agents embedded throughout virtually all government agencies can only be removed by attrition.

          Unless they can be compelled to retire, or we can get some really good dirt on them that will hold up in court to prosecute them for corruption, it will take time to fully staff and fund EPA, for example, such that the traitors can at least be worked around, as they are eased out.

          So...while I empathize with your frustrations and bitterness, your own imprecations are better directed at the right, than than at the Prez and the Party, who represent our most feasible and viable potential for Even beginning to resolve these contradictions.

          Again I say, the juice, and the integrity, of regulatory agencies, the Party and the Prez, ALL hinges on the relative right/left plurality in the House and Senate, and down the ladders of power to the state and local levels.

          With sufficient progressive plurality to fully fund and staff EPA, for example, I'm confident they will soon place a report on the Prez' desk, informing him that there's no such thing as "safe" nukes, "clean" coal, or "cheap" frackin' gas, and that we must go green, all the way, immediately, to save the planet.

          And Mr. Obama will say, "OK, let's do it", because instead of right wing majorities, he'll have the material back up (and jack up) in Congress to do the right thing(s).

          Less progressive plurality, not so much, or worse, plain and simple.


          Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

          by Radical def on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 03:17:00 PM PDT

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  •  The problem I see in the diary (12+ / 0-)

    (besides the hilarious conflation of "realists" and Grima Wormtongue) is that the diarist acts as if we're dealing with a normal republican party, which to all intents and purposes, has gone the way of Sauron and The Eye (sorry, couldn't resist):
    David Brooks:

    But we can have no confidence that the Republicans will seize this opportunity. That’s because the Republican Party may no longer be a normal party. Over the past few years, it has been infected by a faction that is more of a psychological protest than a practical, governing alternative.

    The members of this movement do not accept the logic of compromise, no matter how sweet the terms. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch in order to cut government by a foot, they will say no. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch to cut government by a yard, they will still say no.

    The members of this movement do not accept the legitimacy of scholars and intellectual authorities. A thousand impartial experts may tell them that a default on the debt would have calamitous effects, far worse than raising tax revenues a bit. But the members of this movement refuse to believe it.

    Richard Cohen

    Someone ought to study the Republican Party. I am not referring to yet another political scientist but to a mental health professional, preferably a specialist in the power of fixations, obsessions and the like. The GOP needs an intervention. It has become a cult.

    Commenter to David Brooks column:

    I am a conservative, and normally vote for Republicans. However, I am ashamed by how much the Republicans in power are willing to harm the country to make a point. None of the great Republican heroes would have ruined our nation's credit for any reason, and certainly not at a time like now when there really is no impending catastrophe (other than the one they are creating). Those that we conservatives look to as our greatest leaders were driven by a love of this country, not a suicidal vendetta against Democrats. I have voted for Republicans in the past because of my love for the country and because of the truth that economic freedom is the greatest tool for bringing prosperity to the nation. That same love of my country may now force me and others like me to vote against Republicans to protect the country from their vindictive schemes against the Democrats that will, in the end, make life worse for all of us.

    And I will note again that you have yet to answer the original question asked in the comment you linked to- where were the votes?

    How come the dove gets to be the peace symbol? How about the pillow? It has more feathers than the dove and doesn't have that dangerous beak. Jack Handey

    by skohayes on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 07:34:55 AM PDT

  •  Is it Thursday yet? eom (6+ / 0-)

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 07:50:28 AM PDT

  •  ...and to conclude... (3+ / 0-)
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  •  Who exactly is going to be convinced (7+ / 0-)

    of something new?  People will abandon pragmatism by being compared with a Tolkein villain?  People who already disdain Obama supporters by definition won't be persuaded of anything.  Neutrals who might be undecided between on the one hand, vote counts; on the other, the possibility Obama might have done more.  (Most people should fall into more than one, and possibly all three categories at one time or another, depending on the specific piece of legislation.)

    Look, we're all trying in our own way to throw the ring into the moutain or whatever.  The books were long, the movies longer, and Wagner used the same source material better.  The point is, this is too juvenile to be insulting.  

    Anyway, the search for a Grand Unified Field Theory of Obama (see Frank Rich) or the quest for the most appropriate metaphor will invariably shed more heat than light.  (Should Barack Obama make like Joe Christmas?)

    "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

    by Loge on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 08:09:03 AM PDT

  •  It's GRIMER, not Grima Wormtongue damnit. (0+ / 0-)

    I hate people who mangle Tolkein.

    As Frito the Hobbit and Rudolph the Wizard both said;  I don't want the fucking ring, you take it."

    apparently due to ancient hardware and the transition to dk4 I can't recc tip jars or comments any longer so in lieu of the 'standard nod' you'll see a variety of replies until this gets fixed or becomes a mighty big fucking pain in the ass

    by oopsaDaisy on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 08:45:08 AM PDT

  •  This is NOT a troll diary (1+ / 0-)
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    It should not be HR either.

    It's bad. It wanders. It's point is not particularly clear.

    But its opinion, not calling out.

    The opinion is we should be holding Obama to account for his actions (or lack of).

    There are people on this sight that take offense at the least criticism of our current president. I find it very annoying. Everyone makes mistakes, has bad days and need to be told they've screwed up or forgotten things.

    The right wing had the whole "can do no wrong" for Bush (and still has for Regan) that pissed us ALL off. (it's why many of us came here) Some of us have been so burnt by that, we refuse to let ANYONE by without scrutiny- perhaps a bit too much.

    That's not to say all should be critical, all the time. No. We do need the voices to remind us what it going right.

    And we need to learn to acknowledge the validity of each others points of view. Otherwise, it's bullying each other with nothing constructive.

    I am much too liberal to be a Democrat.

    by WiseFerret on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 08:48:11 AM PDT

    •  Agree that we should learn (2+ / 0-)
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      to acknowledge the validity of each other's points of view.
      But that is precisely the opposite of what this diarist has done.

      •  The diarist is frustrated by (0+ / 0-)

        having concerns treated dismissively.

        I am too. (My skin's a bit thicker tho')

        But jumping on the diarist for going a bit overboard (in the desire not to be drowned out or ignored) is not helpful either.

        What can you doing to be constructively helpful in redirecting the diarist?

        I am much too liberal to be a Democrat.

        by WiseFerret on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 10:26:53 AM PDT

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    •  Hard to find the constructive point of view (5+ / 0-)

      When other views are compared to "slimy minions" and "intentional trolls".  It is "calling out" - an entire collective group, as much as a specific individual.

      •  AS opposed to all the other name-calling across (1+ / 0-)
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        Tis pretty mild names tossed out in comparison to the other crap I've waded through lately.

        The name calling is a reason I won't rec or tip the diary. I think the diarist needs to elevate to more civil discourse- but so does a LOT of people on DKos.

        What really angers me is the bullying behavior and I can't keep ignoring it. That both side are 'wrong' or 'right' doesn't matter: it's how the discussion devolves to incivility and bullying without being constructive.

        We're not getting more and better dems if we keep attacking each other.

        I am much too liberal to be a Democrat.

        by WiseFerret on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 10:33:03 AM PDT

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        •  Other people do the same, and worse? (3+ / 0-)
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          Sorry, that doesn't make it OK in this instance.  If the diarist's intent is to inflame it's working beautifully. If, however, the diarist intended to persuade others to consider a different way of looking at the situation it would have been more effective by not starting out telling readers that aren't already looking at it his way they are slimy minions.  Any valid point being made got lost from the outset. Maybe next time the diarist will consider more effective  ways of conveying the message.

  •  Seriously? (3+ / 0-)
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    You are honestly surprised you are getting attacked when you start your dialogue with an insult? Sheesh!

    Look, most of us around here would like to see Obama doing more and better things, but most of us (those who were around for FDR aside) know full well Obama is about the best we have had in the White House in our lifetimes.

    And really, aren't there better things you can be doing than drawing lame and insulting comparisons between those you disagree with about 10% of the time and a fictional character?

    How about them Wisconsin special elections? They seem more important, right? And something we can all get together on. Put much into them?

    Or electing solid progressives on the local and state level. A really big deal, but I bet you haven't done much there. (Hope I am wrong!)

    Or building the progressive grassroots within the Democratic Party.

    Why not focus on that kind of thing rather than deliberately insulting those who mostly agree with you but might have a slightly different approach?

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    by mole333 on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 10:54:05 AM PDT

  •  This seems appropriate (0+ / 0-)

    FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. Read the PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT Newsletter

    by mole333 on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 11:02:09 AM PDT

  •  Dinner time! King Kohlrabi. (1+ / 0-)
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    Clean and dice two small apple green and two small purple globe kolhrabi (the green had stalks and leaves; I removed those and saved them for another day).  Make certain they are young enough that the exterior is still edible and not woody.  Mine were probably 3 to 4 inches in diameter.

    De-stone and dice one yellow nectarine and one black velvet apricot. De-stone and dice one mango (removing rind as well). Dice all and place ingredients in a large sauce pan with a fair amount of olive oil. Stir together well, turn heat to 5 (medium high) and cook for 15 minutes, stirring regularly.

    Add 3-4 frozen boneless skinless chicken thighs in a single layer across top of kohlrabi and fruit.  Add 1 tbsp kosher salt, 1 tbsp paprika, 1 tbsp summer savory, 2 tsp ground star anise, 1 tbsp apple cider vinegar, 1/4 cup peach wine, and 1/4 cup pomegranate juice.  When chicken is just defrosted enough that it can be cut apart, render into one to two-bite-sized pieces and stir all together.  Cook for 15 minutes longer, stirring occasionally.

    Add one cup chicken broth and three cups water, stir together and bring to a boil on high.  Immediately add 2 cups Madagsacar pink rice, stir in, cover and drop heat to a half notch above simmer.  Cook for 30 minutes.

    Serve.  The final product had a very nice fruity undertone. It did not require any toppings, though I tried both salt and nutritional yeast and they were both wonderful.

    "This is about the human heart, and if that sounds corny, so be it." -- Keith Olbermann

    by allergywoman on Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 12:44:11 PM PDT

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