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I was recently asked by someone close to me, "Who were the feral people in your childhood?"

That's a good and complicated question. One has to back off some from it. When is feral good, when is feral bad? How do we frame all of that?

What is civilization about, how is it good, how is it bad? How is feral better, how is it worse?

My answer to the question is, firstly; "I was the feral person in my childhood, and I don't regret that for one minute."

I'm grateful to those who were tolerant of my wildness. I still kind of am angry at certain predatory personages.

But still, I was the feral person in my childhood, and because I was allowed to be her, I saw and experienced much beauty that I might have otherwise missed entirely, if I had instead become a slave to civilization.

I'm very good about that.

There are other feral people, though, who are much more problematic. Child-rapers, mother-stabbers. You know about whom I'm writing.

Okay, so how do we sort all of this out? Nature kids like me, and kid rapers like someone in my family who will go nameless here (he's dead and he didn't do it to me, but still.)

Civilization is so weird. It's so easy to think it necessary. But why? We evolved for a couple three million years as humans, before we figured this shit out.

Why? Why is this necessary? Why is this better?

It's going to kill us all yet. It's killing lots of other non-human people as I type here.

Why?

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  •  Tips for wondering about (7+ / 0-)

    how much of all of this dialogue and talk and shit is still not addressing the main problem - the cultures of civilization.

    No peace, no justice. No justice, no peace.

    by Miep on Sun Jul 10, 2011 at 06:12:26 PM PDT

    •  Well, one of the most interesting books i read (2+ / 0-)
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      Miep, blueoasis

      last year was 'Ishmael'  by Daniel Quinn, whose attitude concerning civilization was summed up nicely on Wikipedia-

      New Tribalist Movement

      New tribalists believe in a New Tribal Revolution outlined in the Ishmael series by Daniel Quinn. New tribalists believe that the tribe fulfills an important role in human life, and that the dissolution of tribalism with the spread of civilization has come to threaten the very survival of the species. New tribalists seek to mimic indigenous peoples by organizing their own "tribes" based on underlying principles gleaned from ethnology and anthropological fieldwork.

      Quinn argues that this civilization is not working, and if we are to find a way of life that does work, we should draw our basic principles from human societies that are working. Quinn points to indigenous peoples and tribal societies as such examples, and advocates a social revolution—the New Tribal Revolution—to reform society using principles gleaned from the operation of such cultures.
      Follow-ups to Ishmael by Daniel Quinn include The Story of B, My Ishmael, and Beyond Civilization.

      I have not read 'Beyond Civilization' but look forward to it.

      As far as the feral person in my life, it was me but, since my family was so repressed, it was all in secret.

    •  Will make new stuff that will save us. (2+ / 0-)
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      Miep, flowerfarmer

      Like computers and the internet. The right wing can't fool people anymore or lull us into a false sense of everything's ok.

      Now that we have the internet we can communicate with each other and know what's actually going on.

      Way better than the old days when all we had was tv. We finally found out what tv was worth. I sold my ten yr old one for $20. Still perfectly good but obsolete.
      Especially with the price of decent cable! I'd rather read Kos than try to squeeze any real news out of basic cable.

      I was a feral child too! I grew up in South NJ.
      In those days it was all pine woods. One of my favorite things to do was take long walks in the woods, all alone! I liked my own company!
      I am a very self sufficient and self contained person.

      If you don't hear any more from me tonight, it's because I'm just about to go to sleep. I'll probably be up again in a couple of hours. I can never tell, sometimes I sleep good and sometimes I don't.

      I just saw your diary on the way out of here and stopped by to say Hi Miep!

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Sun Jul 10, 2011 at 08:02:57 PM PDT

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  •  Put up or shut up n/t (0+ / 0-)

    The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

    by Panurge on Sun Jul 10, 2011 at 07:42:48 PM PDT

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