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So the fruitcake who stated on a Yahoo finance thread that President Obama "will have a 50 cal in the head soon" and exhorted other posters to shoot Obama, did not violate the law according to a 2-1 decision by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Read the full opinion.

In my opinion, it is great news that "predictions or exhortations" to violence is not the same as threatening to kill the President. Why? Because I've had a number of a bumper sticker ideas floating around my head after seeing some of the shit in Oklahoma on people's vehicles.

The other day while I was at a big box store to buy filtered water (yes, water in the midwest sucks due to corporate agriculture, local pollution, etc.) I saw this dandy "Support America / Impeach Obama". I really wanted to write on it- "Because he's black?"

You too can see all the anti-obama merchandising that Cafepresshas to offer the Tea Party to make a buck.

After looking for "anticonservative"gear at cafepress, I found the sentiment lacking in terms of ferocity and well, just plain equality in terms of anti obama crap they're hocking.

My ideas for bumper stickers, after the fold.

My first idea for a bumper sticker, would read "Death to Corporate Personhood!"

Another might be "Save America by Hanging the Republican Traitors" complete with noose and tree.

Perhaps another "You hate Obama because he's black, right?"

Yet another would depict a Ku Klux Klan member burning at the stake, along with a Dixie Flag and will read "Save the Future, Don't Vote Conservative"

I was also fairly partial to the idea of the simplest tactic; "Have You Killed a Republican Lately?" With a big yellow smiley face.

Perhaps an AK-47 logo with "2nd Amendment works for us as well as you. I've got mine."

Or maybe for the horror movie fans, "Kill a Zombie Republican, America Needs You!" complete with spiked baseball bat and a prone Zombie Reagan on the ground.

Anyway, just a few thoughts (A Modest Proposal?) on how the Courts have changed the law regarding threats to government officials. In bad taste? Certainly. Legal? Apparently so.

Best to find some way to make a buck off the new changes by exhorting violence against the officials selling out America for corporate interests. It is after all, the American way.

And if you have thoughts for a bumper sticker, shirt or other gear for online sellers, why not post your own "I've secretly wanted this on my vehicle/self/child but I can't find it anywhere" in the response section.

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How are you going to react to the new changes in exhorting others to violence against government officials?

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  •  Tip Jar (3+ / 2-)
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    Viceroy, AnnieR, the mom in the middle
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    Catsy, Dom9000

    Above Grecian mantles were chiseled these words... Know Thyself... Nothing in Excess... the pop philosophy of its day.

    by ravagerofworlds2 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 07:46:32 AM PDT

  •  Good Opinion (1+ / 0-)
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    Adam B

    I'm glad Reinhardt is on the bench.  

    R.I.P. Warren Christopher (1925-2011), statesman, diplomat, reformer, and friend.

    by SoCalLiberal on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 07:52:59 AM PDT

  •  You mischaracterize the opinion and facts (5+ / 0-)
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    Shef, exatc, Loge, Actbriniel, GrumpyOldGeek

    There was a diary last night on all this, and you can review my comments there.  In particular, the speech in question did not "ask another poster to shoot Obama." This is what the defendant said, per the stipulated facts as reviewed by the Court:

    In the wee hours of the morning of October 22, 2008, Mr. Bagdasarian, under the user name “californiaradial,” joined a Yahoo! Finance — American International Group message board, an internet site on which members of the public could post messages concerning financial matters, AIG, and other hot topics of the day. Californiaradial’s first posting about candidate Obama, at 1:00 a.m., was to the  “thread” headed “re: Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran favor Obama 100 to 0,” where he said “blow up all the mother fkers, please carpet bomb the middle east . . . give me the switch, no prob, thump and poof sand niggar.” 1  Two minutes later on the same thread he posted:  “I would really lose no sleep if middle morons gone . . . nuke bombing . . . .” At 1:15 a.m., under another thread with the subject header “OBAMA,” he posted the first of the two threats charged in the indictment:  “fk the niggar, he will have a 50 cal in the head soon.” Six minutes after that, Californiaradial combined his pro-bomb and anti-Obama rhetoric in another post on the “OBAMA” thread: “yea, the honest people have NO guns and the scum bags, niggars and drug fks do, thanx obombhaaaaa.” He reiterated his racist animus on a thread referencing Obama’s Irish heritage: “full monkey, hey can you crank the music box, I wanna see the puppemonkey dance . . . .” Four minutes later, at 1:26 a.m. he added, “a lepraaaaaaniggggggggamuch? blank that one, yahoo a-holes.” At 1:35 a.m., Californiaradial created his own antiObama thread, under the subject header  “shoot the nig.” There he posted the second threat charged in the indictment: “country fkd for another 4 years+, what nig has done ANYTHING right???? long term???? never in history, except sambos.”

    And here's some of the analysis:
    The  “Obama fk the niggar” statement is a prediction that Obama  “will have a 50 cal in the head soon.” It conveys no explicit or implicit threat on the part of Bagdasarian that he himself will kill or injure Obama. Nor does the second statement impart a threat.  “[S]hoot the nig” is instead an imperative intended to encourage others to take violent action, if not simply an expression of rage or frustration. The threat statute, however, does not criminalize predictions or exhortations to others to injure or kill the President. It is difficult to see how a rational trier of fact could reasonably have found that either statement, on its face or taken in context, expresses a threat against Obama by Bagdasarian.

    There is no disputing that neither of Bagdasarian’s statements was conditional and that both were alarming and dangerous. The first statement, which referred to Obama as a “niggar” who “will have a 50 cal in the head soon,” coupled a racial slur with an assassination forecast during a highly controversial campaign that would ultimately make Obama the country’s first black president. No less troubling is the defendant’s second statement imploring others to  “shoot the nig,” lest the “country [be] fkd for another 4 years+” because “never in history” has a black person  “done ANYTHING right.”  There are many unstable individuals in this nation to whom assault weapons and other firearms are readily available, some of whom might believe that they were doing the nation a service were they to follow Bagdasarian’s commandment. There is nevertheless insufficient evidence that either statement constituted a threat or would be construed by a reasonable person as a genuine threat by Bagdasarian against Obama.

    •  Um, No (0+ / 0-)

      The above you stated is exactly what I understand based on the newstory and the opinion (as well as dissenting opinion). From your own posted excerpt: "“[S]hoot the nig” is instead an imperative intended to encourage others to take violent action, if not simply an expression of rage or frustration." That's what needs to be bolded.

      And you can have more than one diary per topic. How many diaries are on the Constitution? Or Gabby Giffords? Or Zombie Reagan?

      why don't you click on the last link I offered if you're in such a huff.

      Above Grecian mantles were chiseled these words... Know Thyself... Nothing in Excess... the pop philosophy of its day.

      by ravagerofworlds2 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 08:23:39 AM PDT

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    •  "californiaradial"? (1+ / 0-)
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      AnnieR

      Is that the online equivalent of failure to grasp the irony spelling prowess depicted in real life signs excoriating "morans"?

      I thought at first it was a transcription error, but it was repeated three times.

      So, what is a "California Radial", if I'm parsing that correctly? Is it an emissions meeting tire?

      Okay, I'm done here. My mind is too fried from reading other conserva-brilliance today.

      •  I'm never surprised by ignorance (0+ / 0-)

        I too thought the yahoo name was sad. Obviously, the fellow did not know how to spell radical. I mean, by virtue of the act, he was at a Computer, which most probably (99.99% of the time)  has a program with a spell check, or even access to an online dictionary.

        This is the result of people with a limited schema; the whole of reality becomes black/white to these sorts.

        Above Grecian mantles were chiseled these words... Know Thyself... Nothing in Excess... the pop philosophy of its day.

        by ravagerofworlds2 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 08:40:09 AM PDT

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        •  Spell check doesn't help… (0+ / 0-)

          After all, "radial" is spelled correctly. What these folks need is a "moran checker" which is more sophisticated than spell check by an order of magnitude. It would check words for application (not just a context check) but to see if the word actually had relevance to the underlying thought. It shouldn't be too hard to develop AI for that task—look at the level of intelligence of the posters most in need of it.

  •  Three-Judge Breakdown (1+ / 0-)
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    Adam B

    The decision was written by a Carter appointee and joined without comment by a Reagan appointee.

    The third judge is a Clinton appointee; she concurred in part and dissented in part.

    (I looked them up yesterday and I forget their names)

  •  Unacceptable. (0+ / 0-)
    Another might be "Save America by Hanging the Republican Traitors" complete with noose and tree.

    [...]

    I was also fairly partial to the idea of the simplest tactic; "Have You Killed a Republican Lately?" With a big yellow smiley face.

    I don't care what kind of a point you think you're trying to make, how much of it is hyperbole, or how vile the Republican Party has become, eliminationist rhetoric is beyond the pale. It doesn't get any more noble or justifiable when it's coming from us.

    This kind of garbage has no place on DK. Hide-rated.

    Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense.

    by Catsy on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:55:15 AM PDT

    •  I believe you missed the point (0+ / 0-)

      But c'est la vie.

      Above Grecian mantles were chiseled these words... Know Thyself... Nothing in Excess... the pop philosophy of its day.

      by ravagerofworlds2 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 07:18:45 PM PDT

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      •  No, I didn't. (0+ / 0-)

        This is just a loathsome and dangerous way to make it.

        Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense.

        by Catsy on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 08:03:19 PM PDT

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        •  dangerous and loathsome? (0+ / 0-)

          When was the last "1000 dead lawyers at the bottom of the sea" joke did you see and didn't Hide it?

          Same thing. Just more humorous, and acceptable.

          Also notice, that the plurality of people who took the poll chose "not to engage in this sort of bullshit."

          The entire post is Swiftian. Perhaps I should have bolded "In bad taste? Certainly. Legal? Apparently so." Because either you missed it, or you did not care to put the "offensive" sentences in context. If you paid for a higher education, you were swindled.

          What you term dangerous and loathsome, is protected by the First Amendment. For a site that is aimed at democratic ideals, and tolerance for ideas... bah.

          Above Grecian mantles were chiseled these words... Know Thyself... Nothing in Excess... the pop philosophy of its day.

          by ravagerofworlds2 on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 03:24:25 PM PDT

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