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Well-known liberal Ronald Reagan, before his ignominious ouster from the GOP.
Given how easily conservatives ignore the teachings of Jesus when pretending to be real Christians, it should come as no surprise that Conservative Hero Zombie Reagan is nothing like the real Reagan. As I wrote in American Taliban:
The funny thing is, Reagan was a flaming liberal compared to today’s American Taliban members and their views. In the conservative canon, Reagan was a heroic tax cutter and fiscal hawk, brought the Soviet Union down with his steely resolve and soaring rhetoric (“Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!”), and made America proud of itself again. Reagan’s record, though, was a bit different. He certainly passed massive tax cuts his first year in office, but then reversed many of them when he signed into law the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 (TEFRA). Former Reagan advisor Bruce Bartlett wrote in 2003 that “according to a recent Treasury Department study, TEFRA alone raised taxes by almost 1 percent of the gross domestic product, making it the largest peacetime tax increase in American history.” Moreover, Reagan also backed a $3.3 billion gasoline tax and increased the Social Security tax rate. Sure, the Soviet Union fell soon after his presidency ended, but Reagan met and negotiated with Gorbachev – the head of the “evil empire” as Reagan himself labeled the Soviet Union. As for his reputation as a fiscal hawk, it would be laughable, were it not for the fact that Reagan began the steep slide into deficit spending that inflicted long-term damage. And for a party that has worked tirelessly to destroy the civil rights of homosexuals, Reagan was a maverick in his strident opposition to the Briggs Initiative in California, which would’ve banned gays and lesbians from teaching in the public schools, and his opposition helped defeat the measure. Lastly, let’s not forget that Reagan granted amnesty to millions of illegal aliens in 1986, a position antithetical to current American Taliban ideology.

Any Republican today talking or governing like Ronald Reagan would earn a swift kick out of their party, labeled as a tax-raising, terrorist-negotiating, gay-loving, amnesty- granting, big spender. Yet that hasn’t stopped the American Taliban from elevating Reagan to sainthood, airbrushing out his more nuanced beliefs and actions. Republicans have been thrown to the curb for far less these days.

You can add "raising the debt ceiling" to that list, since Reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times. It's been fun seeing House progressives rub that in the GOP's face.

When you have Republicans like Rep. Duncan Hunter calling Reagan "a former liberal ... who would never be elected today," or Mike Huckabbee noting the obvious that "Ronald Reagan would have a very difficult, if not impossible, time being nominated in this atmosphere of the Republican Party," you know something is wrong with today's GOP. As Steve Benen noted:

[S]houldn’t that tell the political world something about the radicalism of today’s GOP? What should Republicans take away from the fact that, by 2011 standards, their party would dismiss their demigod as a tax-raising, amnesty-loving, pro-bailout, cut-and-run, big-government Democrat?

It does say something. And if nothing else, it gives Democrats the ability to carry Reagan's mantle for themselves, which is quite hilarious. Quoting Bennen again:

I never thought I’d see the day that progressive Democrats claimed Reagan’s mantle. I never thought I’d see the day that conservative Republicans let them.

Originally posted to kos on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:25 AM PDT.

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    •  Poor Ronny. This is the Second Party to Leave him (5+ / 0-)

      Notice: This Comment © 2011 ROGNM

      by ROGNM on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:01:00 AM PDT

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    •  Reagan not so beloved now? (2+ / 0-)
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      Last month I recieved a fund raising call from some group that was under the mistaken impression that I was on a list of people who give big donations to Republicans. Rather then just hanging up, I decided to play along and then give them a reason that I thought might possibly be heard about why I won't donate to Republicans right now.

      One of the first questions I was asked was who was my favorite Republican politician. I briefly considered Lincoln but went for the much safer - or so I thought - Reagan. There was actually a long pause, and then she responded with a surprising lack of enthusiasm - "Regan was a very good Republican" and then continued with the pitch. At the time I thought she was just hoping that I would be enamored with somebody who is currently fund raising, but now I wonder if it was because that was a strange answer, from somebody who was supposed to be a big supporter of today's Republican party.

  •  Just to add (7+ / 0-)

    In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

    by jsfox on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:27:24 AM PDT

  •  These people have an agenda. This is not about (17+ / 0-)

    reasonable discussion, or facts.  They want to create havoc and crisis--because it moves their agenda forward.

  •  Not so coincidentally (30+ / 0-)

    When Reagan cut taxes after  being sworn in the economy tanked.  Unemployment soared above 10%.  

    After TEFRA was passed the economy prospered unemployment dropped.

    So this bullshit about tax increases killing jobs and the economy was proven patently false by Reagan itself.

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:37:38 AM PDT

    •  voodoo economics was (3+ / 0-)
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      what they called it in the day..

    •  Just like tax cuts increase jobs (1+ / 0-)
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      Hello...the Bush decade of the aughts(stagnant wages, no jobs gain, record unemployment levels, rising poverty and income inequality levels) and the subsequent renewal of those same tax rates to now enshrine them as the Bush- Obama tax cuts is also proof positive.

      But those facts haven't stopped either party, including President Obama, or the ruling class political/corporate elites and media from spouting/peddling and pushing that propoganda and effectively having many of the population blindly believing it...despite the reality/facts in which they live in daily.

      Despite the cognitive dissonance, the ruling class elites continue to pound that narrative as the power of repeating the propaganda works.  

      "When will the American teachers follow the lead of Wall Street and start making some sacrifices for the children"..Jon Stewart

      by emal on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:45:09 AM PDT

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  •  Reagan precedes Fox News and Limbaugh (9+ / 0-)

    The last thirty years have seen the moderate Republican be radicalized by misinformation.

    Critical Thinking: The Other National Deficit.

    by cultjake on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:38:58 AM PDT

  •  Strange days we live in... (22+ / 0-)

    ...where Ronald Reagan is a Moderate Democrat. That just makes me shiver thinking about it.

    I'm with Roger Ebert on this one--the Pachyderms have lost their shit. And we're living in what may be the era of Peak Wingnut.

    The rule is, "don't be a dick" - kos

    by cybrestrike on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:39:05 AM PDT

  •  Reagan was a realist. ever since the bushies (11+ / 0-)

    won the idealogues run the show. Lets not forget the quote from one Bushie "We're in charge now, we'll create our own reality"

    "I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your fuckin' mouth." --- Bill Hicks

    by voroki on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:39:30 AM PDT

    •  Actually... (13+ / 0-)

      ...I think Reagan was very much an ideologue, but a flexible one.

      What's more, he and Tip O'Neill seemed to have had a reasonable working relationship, the machinery of which was apparently lubricated by scotch. There's something to be said for this.  

      •  scotch can lubricate (8+ / 0-)

        any machinery :)

        ... it doesnt necessarily have to be politics ;)

      •  Maybe both. For me a realist can be idealogically (3+ / 0-)
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        driven but as you say flexible. And at times willing to abandon certain aspects of their idealogy completely when faced with reality.

        "I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your fuckin' mouth." --- Bill Hicks

        by voroki on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:47:19 AM PDT

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        •  There's a fine line there, between being (0+ / 0-)

          ideologically driven (in which case, one can be flexible and a realist), and being an ideologue. For an ideologue, anything that does not fit with the ideology is by definition not real or worth considering. Lenin was an ideologue, and Khrushchev was ideologically driven.

        •  It depends a lot on whether the end-goals are (2+ / 0-)
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          remotely similar.  

          We often operate on the assumption that everyone shares the ultimate end goals of good jobs, low unemployment, sustainable budgets, clean air and water, safe food and toys and cars, universal effective access to good health care, universal effective access to good education (through post-college and including retraining), freedom of speech, freedom of religion, rule of law, etc, etc, etc,.

          We take them at their word when they tell the public that they share these goals.

          Having done so, we are then bewildered by the positions they advocate that are so obviously contrary to many or most of these goals.

          Not every policy with which we disagree is part of this slow but relentless undermining of what is good and true in our country, but enough to tip the balance.

          What we have seen on a State level where Republicans have recently gained power and on a National level to the extent they have gained (and taken) power is that their true agenda has very little to do with their rhetoric.

          Exposing their true agenda, revealing their true values, by declaring them and connecting them to their actions by which they are attempting to dismantle both our democracy and our economy and thus fundamentally change our society, is the underlying task of the the next election and the next and the next.

          Those in either Democratic or Republican party that support this agenda of the overreaching Power Party must be named, shamed and driven out of office.  

          It's either that or resign ourselves to the fate of those who now look back at the Soviet Union and ask themselves how could it all disappear so quickly and completely.  

          For those who believe this line of thinking is over-dramatic or some kind of CT, I'd recommend a review of what FDR was saying in 1936 and 1944.  

          It makes the post above look postively 'reasonable' and 'flexible' and 'bipartisan'.  

          And the values and principles we are fighting for are not the sole providence of the activist left as can be seen by the overwhelming majorities of the public who support some of the key positions we take (such as Medicare, Social Security, fairly taxing the very wealthy, removing the corproate influence overlay that allows those wealthy to have a disproportionate impact on our poltics and government, etc. ).  

          We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

          by Into The Woods on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:53:20 AM PDT

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      •  Dinnae be blamin' the Macallan n/t (5+ / 0-)

        "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

        by tardis10 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:01:58 AM PDT

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      •  Ragun was a rabid (1+ / 0-)
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        commie hunter, a McCarthyite, GE spokesman, a bad actor and senile to boot. The same people who pulled his string's are the same ones that finally got their imperial presidency in Bush 11. He was not a realist he was a tool who thought catchup was a vegetable and the if you've seen one redwood who needs them. Could it be that the so called moderates centrist Democrat's who are running the party now, are just recycled Reagan Democrat's who now call themselves the Third Way?    

    •  Reagan started it (9+ / 0-)

      i made the comment somewhere else but what we're witnessing today is the illogical conclusion of the fucked up ideology of St Ronnie taken to it's extreme end by the zealots who worship at his altar.

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:47:24 AM PDT

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      •  Just as we erred in loading it all on Bush, so (0+ / 0-)

        we should be careful in loading it all on Reagan.

        In the diefication of Reagan whereby his real policies and actions are painted over to match the ideology they are trying preach, we have to recognize that the forces at work and their agenda are neither new nor isolated to one President (or indeed one party.)

        While this perversion of both democracy and free enterprise gained its most important recent foothold during Reagan's years, it did not originate with him any more than it ended with the departure of GWB.

        Both were instruments or symptoms.  

        And as this diary points out, Reagan's reality exists at a nearly unreachable distance from the rhetoric that invokes his name and memory.  

        We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

        by Into The Woods on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 12:01:01 PM PDT

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    •  Realist? He was an ideologue to the core (7+ / 0-)

      Were you actually around for the years when he was president?

    •  and the Democrat's (0+ / 0-)

      all agree on that reality form tax cut's and the ownership society to endless wars of 'terrist's are gonna kil yer family.'

  •  It's amusing to see how... (11+ / 0-)

    ...the unhinged militancy of the current GOP has served to decimate the legacy of their quintessential  iconic hero.

    What are they left with now that Reagan has been deemed impure?  Michelle Bachmann.

    Michelle Bachmann is now the Republican party's aspirational & inspirational spiritual center...not Ronald Reagan.


    When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in excess body fat and carrying a misspelled sign.

    by wyvern on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:41:50 AM PDT

  •  Only fitting since Obama has stated his admiration (10+ / 0-)

    for Reagan.

    Much to my chagrin.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    -Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:41:56 AM PDT

    •  And remember how we were told (3+ / 0-)

      time and time and time again at this site how he was "just kidding"

      (yeah right!)

      •  I'll admit to fitting Obama (1+ / 0-)
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        into my own prism, but I really like the guy and don't completely obsess that he's not an uberprogressive.

        I'm surprised though, that he would look to Reagan rather than FDR or Truman or LBJ.  It seems exceedingly odd for an African-American.

        From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

        by satrap on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:16:23 AM PDT

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    •  I thought he was pandering... (1+ / 0-)
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      now I'm afraid that he meant it.

      ...and dropping a bar bell he points to the sky, saying "The sun's not yellow-it's CHICKEN!"

      by porchdog1961 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:14:15 AM PDT

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    •  Obama Said He Wanted to be Transformational. (1+ / 0-)
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      It was in this context that he said he wished to follow in Reagan's footsteps.

      In that regard, I wish he had been more like Reagan, who understood that even while compromising to get results, you kept strongly advocating for your principles so that over time the public beliefs and policy debate would trend in that direction.

      It is impossible to deny that the principles of Reaganism, in its current virulent form, are now challenging the princples of the New Deal and Great Society for dominance in the hearts and minds of the American public.

      According to the polls on key issues we are still winning.

      According to the election results and actions of our legislative representatives and too often those of this Administration, the outcome is much more in doubt.

      We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

      by Into The Woods on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 12:14:55 PM PDT

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  •  Come on (2+ / 0-)
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    This is old news.  This has been so for some time now.

    •  I agree. And it sounds like (1+ / 0-)
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      President Obama is self-Reaganizing every moment! Reports are flying that they're close to an all-cut Grand Screwing er Bargain.

      From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

      by satrap on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:03:21 AM PDT

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    •  But at a moment in time when 'realism' is both (0+ / 0-)

      badly needed and exceedingly rare in the Party of Reagan, it is worth recalling that President Reagan - when confronted with this kind of situation, conducted himself much differently than those who how invoke his name and highly distorted image.

      We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

      by Into The Woods on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 12:18:32 PM PDT

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  •  The tea baggers would primary him (6+ / 0-)

    Ronald Reagan would not recognize his party today.  He might even be forced to repeal his 11th Commandment ~ Thou shall not speak evil of a fellow Republican.

    Let's face it - after Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says W T F

    by Actbriniel on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:43:41 AM PDT

  •  So... Reagan's a progressive hero? (3+ / 0-)

    I can't wait to tell that to my conservative acquaintances!

    Kos, you're a genius :)

    "When everyone's a crook, who can you trust?" - Queensryche

    by AZ Independent on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:44:27 AM PDT

    •  It'll give 'em a migraine (1+ / 0-)
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      Hey Murderoch! If you're gonna hack my phone, could you pay the bill? You're using up all my minutes.

      by BobBlueMass on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:31:48 AM PDT

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    •  He's a Conservative Icon Whose Administration (0+ / 0-)

      accepted many policies and compromises that would now deemed political apostacy by those who preach in his name.  

      Not sure how you got to your conclusion.  

      Many (if not most) of Reagan's policies were bad, in part because they were aligned with principles that both came before and have dominated after his administration.  

      And yet even he acknowledged the reality of circumstances both political and economic that occasionally required him to both work with and compromise with Democrats like Tip O"Neil.  

      We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

      by Into The Woods on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 12:24:33 PM PDT

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  •  We are quite close I think (3+ / 0-)

    to a point where our beloved "Dubya" is considered too liberal for the GOP.

    Immigration comes to mind.

    •  Also he talked a good game (2+ / 0-)
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      when it came to social conservative issues like abortion and gay rights, but really never did anything about them -- you can see how the Republicans are making up for his shortfalls in that vein.

      Now to try to end the wars we ask our gay and straight soldiers to fight. -- Chris Hayes

      by Cali Scribe on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:05:18 AM PDT

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      •  The "Compassion" is silent in the new revised (0+ / 0-)

        standard edition of Republicaneze.

        Bush campaigned on "compassionate conservatism".

        But now, we've gone another mile further down the road of Economic Darwinism and "compassion" now looks too much like "weakness" in the Republican culture.  

        So even in those rare circumstances when it may still be found outside of captivity,  it's not pronounced out loud.  

        We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

        by Into The Woods on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 12:29:49 PM PDT

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  •  You forgot his response to the Marine barracks (9+ / 0-)

    getting blown up in beirut. He left.

    "I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your fuckin' mouth." --- Bill Hicks

    by voroki on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:48:49 AM PDT

  •  Enough with Reagan already (18+ / 0-)

    I get the point, but I remember Reagan as president.  And he sucked ass.  Big time.

    •  No one's saying he didn't suck ass (4+ / 0-)
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      but that in comparison to the current era's GOP, he'd never even get a sniff at the nomination much less elected to two terms. Which makes the old Naderism "Democrats are just the same as Republicans" inoperative; our current crop of Democrats (with a few notable exceptions) may not be anything to write home about, but the current crop of Republicans are far worse.

      Now to try to end the wars we ask our gay and straight soldiers to fight. -- Chris Hayes

      by Cali Scribe on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:07:41 AM PDT

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      •  The DCCC should (2+ / 0-)
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        just come out with an ad that trumpets the fact that Reagan sucked ass, but simply couldn't recall doing it.

        From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

        by satrap on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:09:56 AM PDT

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        •  Dem Messaging (0+ / 0-)
          Yes, we suck.

          But not nearly as bad as the Republicans.

          That's why we've shifted to the right, so that we are closer to many of their policy positions, especially when it serves the global thieving class.  

          Send money.  

          Look how well it worked in 2010.  

          We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

          by Into The Woods on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 12:57:54 PM PDT

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  •  Some of Us Draw Derision Here For Saying (7+ / 0-)

    this very thing:

    I never thought I’d see the day that progressive Democrats claimed Reagan’s mantle. I never thought I’d see the day that conservative Republicans let them.

    I guess because we don't include the word "progressive."

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:55:04 AM PDT

  •  The Modern GOP is nothing more than a Gang of (6+ / 0-)

    six year olds who have gotten behind the wheel of their mother's car when she left the keys in the ignition, and they are careening down the street, a danger to themselves and everyone they come in contact with.

    They are tantrum-throwing, ego-centric little monsters who believe that there is nothing they can't have and no one who can stop them.

    I believe the nation elected Barack Obama mainly because he came across as the adult in the room, who would rein in the worst of their excesses.

    But that hasn't happened.

    He keeps on talking to them like they are reasonable grownups,  and they keep on lighting farts in his face to show how not true it is...

    I like paying taxes... with them, I buy Civilization

    by Angie in WA State on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:55:39 AM PDT

    •  Gang yes. 6yr olds. Not. And to think of them (0+ / 0-)

      that way may blind us to both their true agenda and to the powers they represent.

      They are the manifestation of a virulent, extreme form of Reaganism that is essentially Economic Darwinism.

      They also serve powerful forces that would rather rule than be governed by lowly folk like us.  

      See if this description rings a bell.

      ...For powers long accustomed to tranquillity and without experience with disaster, this is a hard lesson to come by. Lulled by a period of stability which had seemed permanent, they find it nearly impossible to take at face value the assertion of the revolutionary power that it means to smash the existing framework. The defenders of the status quo therefore tend to begin by treating the revolutionary power as if its protestations were merely tactical; as if it really accepted the existing legitimacy but overstated its case for bargaining purposes; as if it were motivated by specific grievances to be assuaged by limited concessions. Those who warn against the danger in time are considered alarmists; those who counsel adaptation to circumstance are considered balanced and sane, for they have all the good “reasons” on their side: the arguments accepted as valid in the existing framework. “Appeasement”, where it is not a device to gain time, is the result of an inability to come to grips with a policy of unlimited objectives.

      But it is the essence of a revolutionary power that it possesses the courage of its convictions, that it is willing, indeed eager, to push its principles to their ultimate conclusion. Whatever else a revolutionary power may achieve therefore, it tends to erode, if not the legitimacy of the international order, at least the restraint with which such an order operates. The characteristic of a stable order is its spontaneity; the essence of a revolutionary situation is its self-consciousness. Principles of obligation in a period of legitimacy are taken so much for granted that they are never talked about, and such periods therefore appear to posterity as shallow and self-righteous. Principles in a revolutionary situation are so central that they are constantly talked about. The very sterility of the effort soon drains them of all meaning, and it is not unusual to find both sides invoking their version of the “true” nature of legitimacy in identical terms. And because in revolutionary situations the contending systems are less concerned with the adjustment of differences than with the subversion of loyalties, diplomacy is replaced either by war or by an armaments race. ...

      We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

      by Into The Woods on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 12:39:35 PM PDT

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  •  I can't stand looking at any photo of him (1+ / 0-)
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    that man is scum.

    May the road rise up to meet you. May the wind be always at your back.

    by GlowNZ on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 10:58:21 AM PDT

  •  Ronald Reagan is unofficially too liberal (18+ / 0-)

    for the Democratic Party as well.

    "In any event, it is safe to assume that the ends of capitalism will be as unprecedented as everything else about it has been." -- Gopal Balakrishnan

    by Cassiodorus on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:00:19 AM PDT

  •  We need a Godwin's law for Reagan around here (3+ / 0-)
  •  Progressives haven't taken St. Ron's mantle. (3+ / 0-)
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    Blue Dogs and their like-minded leader have.

  •  I'm not sure if it's "too liberal" (1+ / 0-)
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    as opposed to things actually happening.  The Modern GOP isn't conservative beyond their rhetoric and hatred of things that help others.  They are simply obstructionists.  The Gang of Six is just 6 people who want "power" or make their voice a lot louder.  

    It's fairly, actually very, disgusting that a political party is THIS bad.  It's one thing to completely water-down something but it's another to do nothing but cave in to a bunch of angry teapots.

    This comment was also more exciting than Tim Pawlenty

    by RVKU on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:05:00 AM PDT

  •  I never thought i'd see the day where (5+ / 0-)

    progressive Democrats would want to carry the Reagan mantle....

    Pretty sad.

    The Patriot Act: IOKIYAD!

    by Beelzebud on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:05:30 AM PDT

  •  I remember Reagan very well as I was just (5+ / 0-)

    starting my career as a union electrician. I so despised him then but little did I know what we were in for with the Bush years. Makes that Reagan stuff seem trivial compared Bush Jr.

  •  Reagan as California Governor (5+ / 0-)

    was practically satanic!!

    He was the forefather of the teapartiers.

    There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

    by upstate NY on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:10:03 AM PDT

  •  Marcos, you have to be careful. (0+ / 0-)

    If you insist on writing about reality the really mean Tepublicans, as jimstaro calls them, are going to tear you apart. That said, Reagan would have loved the Koch brothers but hated the Tea Party people.

    Why? Well, when he was growing up his family lived on the south side of Dixon [back then that was declasse]. When they moved across the river to the north side of town their [rental] home was diagonally across the street from my great-grandmother.

    Nelle (Nelly?), Ronnie's mother came to my grandmother's morning coffee klatch every morning. Nelle always said that Neal (Moon) had his head on straight but  Ronnie (Dutch) was a hopeless social climber.

    That's why Ronald Reagan would love the Koch and hate the teabaggers.

    Bring them all home NOW. There is no longer any excuse.

    by llbear on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:10:42 AM PDT

  •  I think he was more liberal (0+ / 0-)

    than Obama is. (snark...kinda)

    "Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." - John Steinbeck

    by Bulldawg on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:11:43 AM PDT

  •  The more I think about this post the more it (5+ / 0-)

    disturbs me.

    This is going down a very familiar path that basically says "To beat Republicans, we must become Republicans".

    I'm sorry Kos, but I don't want to carry the Reagan mantle.   I don't want to be a "Libertarian Democrat".

    The Patriot Act: IOKIYAD!

    by Beelzebud on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:12:50 AM PDT

    •  I don't read it as saying (1+ / 0-)
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      we have to become Republicans -- but that we need to point out to Republicans how far away from the ranch the current herd has drifted. There are still a large number of traditional Republicans out there -- I've got a few in my own family. They're fiscal conservatives, but also realists who can give a rat's ass about the social issue stuff. In fact, several of them are pro-choice (as well as ex-Catholics) who would rather pay for an abortion or birth control for a poor woman than 18+ years of welfare for her kid.

      They're also pretty much upper-middle class, nowhere near the $250K club, who understand that you need revenue increases as well as cuts in waste to balance a budget. They're not happy with what's going on in the current Republican party, but they're also not ready to start checking off the [D] on their ballots. Those are the kind of voters we need to attract, so they can either try and take their party back from the tea crazies, or realize that maybe us progressives aren't all bad after all.

      Now to try to end the wars we ask our gay and straight soldiers to fight. -- Chris Hayes

      by Cali Scribe on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:27:07 AM PDT

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  •  I actually think that IF Reagan had the (0+ / 0-)

    House that Obama does, we wouldn't be romanticizing his 'moderation'.  We would be building family-sized bunkers and stocking up on canned food.

    From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

    by satrap on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:13:56 AM PDT

  •  Yet somehow (1+ / 0-)
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    Obama, far to the right of Regan, isn't too conservative for Daily Kos democrats.

  •  The Mulford Act (0+ / 0-)

    The Mulford Act in 1967"prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street." The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners.
    Can you imagine if Obama signed this law in? I always pull out the Mulford Act to shut up any Freeper types. Does it work? No. Somehow, someway, it's the liberals fault.

    I'm so sorry if I'm alienating some of you/ YOUR WHOLE FUCKING CULTURE ALIENATES ME.

    by pitbullgirl65 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:15:38 AM PDT

  •  The "original" Constitution they claim to worship (1+ / 0-)
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    does nothing but set up the government they hate.  We call these men the "Founding Fathers" because they founded the Federal Government.  The Founding Fathers endowed  the Federal Government with plenary powers of taxation to pay the nation's debts, the common defense and the general welfare of the nation.  The Founding Fathers sent federal troops in 1794 to put down a tax rebellion putting to rest the idea that they wanted a small government.  They wanted a weak presidency but a strong federal government.

    Where there is no vision, there is no hope. George Washington Carver

    by Amayupta yo on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:17:29 AM PDT

  •  All the flaws and high points (1+ / 0-)
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    are easier to see in retrospective -- just like it's easier to see a mountain range from a distance rather than close in.

    Nixon was a paranoid crook -- but he also opened the doors to negotiation with his trip to Mainland China. He also signed the legislation establishing the EPA and Title IX.

    Reagan was a doddering fool -- but also a fiscal realist; he knew that you need both budget cuts and revenue get what you pay for. I would have preferred he go after more of the waste in government, but that always seems to be last rather than first.

    And for all the lionization of Bill Clinton, he was no progressive paragon either. For all those who complain that Obama didn't go hard enough after the repeal of DADT, it was Bill Clinton who presided over that debacle, and DOMA as well. And then we had NAFTA, the Telecommunications Act (which contributed to the rise of Murdoch and his ilk) and other atrocities.

    Now to try to end the wars we ask our gay and straight soldiers to fight. -- Chris Hayes

    by Cali Scribe on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:18:54 AM PDT

  •  He sure liked spending on credit. (2+ / 0-)
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    My parents were Republicans, but they preferred Jimmy Carter's fiscal conservatism to Ronald Reagan's running up the debt to the trillions.  In fact, the first time I heard the word "trillion" was in relation to Reagan's spending--I guess that was when Dick Cheney said that deficits don't matter.

    •  Reagan One of 2 Pres to Double Debt (1+ / 0-)
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      The smearmails going around claim Obama has doubled the debt.  It's a lie.  In fact I think Bachmann made that claim.  

      But it's just another example of Republicans attacking Democrats on the exact point on which Republicans are most vulnerable.

      Both Reagan and Bush (the lesser) more than doubled the national debt during Fiscal Years under their budgets (without the mitigating circumstances of the Great Recession).  That's right  George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan (Patron Saint of Faux Fiscal Conservatism.)  

      Republican President Ronald Reagan increased the National Debt  almost twice as much as accumulated by all previous 39 Presidents combined, increasing it by 186% (from $998 Billion to $2.9 Trillion)

      Republican President George W. Bush  increased the National Debt more than all previous 42 Presidents combined, increasing it by $105%, (from $5.807 Trillion to $11.9 Trillion or  $11.8 Trillion if you subtract $108 Billion of FY2009 Obama stimulus spending).

      As of May 26, 2011 the National Debt stood at $14.3 Trillion.  

      We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

      by Into The Woods on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 01:08:56 PM PDT

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  •  Forget the frigging politics (0+ / 0-)

    I'm fixated on the fact that his hair is darker than mine but my wattle is less prominent.  Priorities.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:20:20 AM PDT

  •  And yet, these fanatics get elected. (1+ / 0-)
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    A smug attitude about their fanaticism, however slight, doesn't help us beat back their extremism.

    Movement-building is the only counterweight.

    The only thing more astounding than what gets on the Recommended List here is what doesn't. -Crashing Vor

    by surfbird007 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:21:11 AM PDT

  •  Check this link (0+ / 0-)

    From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

    by satrap on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:21:14 AM PDT

  •  Actually, I see this time as one where the Reagan (2+ / 0-)
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    Myth is being demolished.

    The mythological Reagan of the legends of yore never raised taxes, not once!  He always cut taxes, every year!  And, the mythological Reagan always proposed balanced budgets!  Always!  And, therefor, he never raised the debt ceiling, ever!

    And, unemployment was never high when the mythological Reagan was in office.  It was always low, the entire time!

    The mythological Reagan is taking a beating, probably because he is no longer around to make up his own facts, and his progeny never learned the trick from him.

  •  I warned everybody about the religious right (2+ / 0-)
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    Reagan was a traditional fiscal conservative, who sometime understood the need to raise taxes and the debt ceiling. When Reagan was president it was just the beginning of the religious right movement, the Moral Majority and their organizations that evolved out of it. He sued them for votes but ignored the social conservaive issues. In the early 90s the Christian coalition organized a political a grass roots religious movement that trained activists and candidates to run for office on school boards, local offices, and eventually they rose through the political ranks to state elected positions then on to Congress. Tim LaHaye one of the the founders of Moral Majority was a anti communist, John Bircher, as was his wife Beverly LeHaye who founded, Concerned Women of America, Feminist for Life. Now you have the Tea Party which combines these radical religious nuts with John Birch libertarians.

    I warned people in the 90-s this was going to happen and we now have a country marching towards  libertarian,Theocracy.  They want to dismantle the government and our Democracy by defunding it, then replace it it their rules of engagement.

  •  Romney is the new Reagan (0+ / 0-)

    he even has the same dyed hair.  He must have gotten the formula from Nancy.

  •  Carry Reagan's mantle? (2+ / 0-)
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    chuckvw, shaharazade

    No, thank you.

    There's a reason Democrats won massively the last two cycles, and it wasn't because people were desperate for "bipartisanship". --kos

    by Debby on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:24:24 AM PDT

  •  A great talking point for us (0+ / 0-)

    the same way conservatives invoke JFK cutting the marginal tax rates while not mentioning that he cut the top rate to 70%!!

  •  If the best we can do is carry Reagan's mantle (1+ / 0-)
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    we're in deep doo doo.

    The invasion of Iraq was a war crime, a crime against humanity, and a crime against civilization. Prosecute the crime.

    by Positronicus on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:28:17 AM PDT

  •  Nixon would not recognize todays GOP... (0+ / 0-)
    The Voting Rights Act of 1970 was a tip of the iceberg. The catalog of programs that Nixon initiated or accepted is little known to most Americans, but includes the "war on cancer," the Environmental Protection Agency, the Clean Air Act, the Endangered Species Act, the Water Pollution Control Act, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, the Office of Consumer Affairs, Amtrak and "revenue sharing" with local governments.
    Remember, John," Nixon went on, "the far-right kooks are just like the nuts on the left; they're doorbell ringers and balloon blowers, but they turn out to vote. There is only one thing as bad as [a] far-left liberal, and that's a damn right-wing conservative."
    (To his aide John C. Whitaker)
    I vote for Nixon over Obama, if it were possible.

    I'm so sorry if I'm alienating some of you/ YOUR WHOLE FUCKING CULTURE ALIENATES ME.

    by pitbullgirl65 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:30:01 AM PDT

  •  "Facts are stupid things" -- Ronald Reagan (4+ / 0-)
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    I've read somewhere that, Nixon broke the heart of the American dream and that Ronald Reagan broke it's back. I truly believe that.

    His administration helped gut the middle class. The deregulation, union busting, the "voodoo" economy, S&L meltdown, etc.

    (I won't go into the Iran contra scandal and the other numerous criminal activities of his administration )

    In doing some research I find that when Reagan came into office we were the largest exporter of manufacturing goods and the largest importer of raw materials on the planet... and the largest creditor. More people owed us money than anybody else in the world. Now, just 41 years later, we're the largest importer of finished goods, manufactured goods; the largest exporter of raw materials (which is kind of the definition of a third-world nation) and we're the most in-debt of any country in the world. This is the absolute consequence of Reaganomics.

    "I've been learning how to squirm without any perceptible movement." --- Terry Douglas

    by zorp on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:30:29 AM PDT

  •  Yep . . . (0+ / 0-)

    I was way to the left of Reagan in the '80's . . . it feels rather strange to be of much the same perspective here in the 21st Century and find myself even further to the left of the "modern" Democratic Party . . .

    Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

    by Deward Hastings on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:33:31 AM PDT

  •  Not really (2+ / 0-)
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    satrap, offgrid

    Reagan may have been a double-talking race-baiting phony with only a passing relationship with reality, but the guy was simply a brilliant natural politician with the ability to fool, charm and cajole pretty much all of the right and most of the center, and I don't doubt that were he alive today and in his prime, he would have found a way to position himself squarely within the tea party and get them to latch onto his every word. On the right (and to a lesser, but still noticeable extent on the left), it's all about personality and message, not substance. We are a nation of infantiles wanting to be lead by a magical mystical shaman. It's so much easier than dealing with actual reality, which is like totally icky.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:34:19 AM PDT

  •  As Bill Maher Once Said (0+ / 0-)

    The Democrats have moved to the right, and the GOP right into the nuthouse.

    You can find the clip on Youtube.

    I didn't mind Reagan, but that was when the GOP was more conservative and not fascist, the crazies in the basement were locked up there and when cable news was a reliable source of information.

  •  WHAT WOULD REAGAN DO..? HINT - 14 (1+ / 0-)
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    Go in front of the American people and set a deadline....If the deadline is not met, use the 14th amendment to raise the debt limit and avoid default......

    The American people will rally, the T-bags will lose in 2012 and perhaps the entire House....

    Nothing to lose, really.....

  •  In a way, this sort of misses the point. (1+ / 0-)
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    The point is not the hypocrisy (tho it's there in abundance); the point is that under the marketing obfuscation is a shifting political reality.

    There was a perception then that some state-control/liberality was timely. Reagan enacted measures that at least resemble what one might call governance. This was a response to perceived geopolitical reality at the time: A (somewhat) strong central economic guidance was needed to maintain an even keel during a time of global power contention.

    Now that a certain aspect of that contention has faded, the time has come to roll those socioeconomic reforms right on back, onto our own shores.

    It's really all part of a historic continuum. I think that many progressives are well, well aware of this. Pointing out the hypocrisy is good and well and all that, but let's not lose sight of the underlying process that actually vests the whole misbegotten enterprise with, at least, a kind of unified purpose.

    The misbegotten part has to do with the fact that the measures being taken today reflect a failure on the parts of their enactors to comprehend their real economic effects. It appears that, all along, they've thought of a broad prosperity as a means to purely geopolitical ends. There needs to be a shift to a genuine "peacetime" prosperity, one where real popular economic empowerment is a noble purpose, in its own right.

    The pricks don't think in those terms; never have, probably never will, sad to say...

    Isn't it a good feeling when you see the paper in the morning, it says 'Axe Slayer Kills 19' and you say, "They can't pin that one on me!" - Jean Shepherd

    by razajac on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:38:09 AM PDT

  •  Well...I wouldn't go so far (0+ / 0-)

    as to suggest that Democrats start carrying Reagan's mantle just because the country has slipped into fascism in the meantime while crediting the Gipper.

    Kennedy's, LBJ's, Truman's, Eisenhower's...those are mantles worth carrying.

    -5.38 -4.72 T. Atlas shrugged. Jesus wept.

    by trevzb on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:42:51 AM PDT

  •  It also speaks to how far to the right (1+ / 0-)
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    the Democratic Party has moved--when Regan's positions sound "sane" or "good." The Democratic Party is in no way shape or form a center-left party in 2011. The current Democratic Party is a far cry from the days of Reagan--the GOP has succeeded in radicalizing itself to extremes, and succeeded at taking the Democrats with them to the right.

    We have a reactionary party and a conservative party in this country. There is no party of the left anymore--and we are seeing that today so clearly in the policies that our current Democratic president embraces.

    "People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."

    by michael1104 on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:43:08 AM PDT

  •  Compared to the Tea Party, hell, (0+ / 0-)

    Reagan is a flaming Liberal compared to Obama!

  •  As a former Republican... (0+ / 0-)

    I can attest to the morphing of the GOP to extreme rightwing nuthatchery.  At one time the GOP wasn't concerned with what you did in your bedroom, at your Doctor's office, at school, church, etc. Betty and Gerald Ford were examples of moderate Republicans. A moderate GOPer is now a liberal Democrat.

    Eric Cantor can kiss my big old Missouri butt!

    by cyncynical on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:46:36 AM PDT

  •  We have a Democrat in the WH... (0+ / 0-)

    who is far to the right of Reagan or even W. Yet people are afraid to demand and vote for a real Liberal to challenge Obama.

    How is it not clear to those who believed Obama in 2008 and voted for him as I did that we were conned more than if we had bought the Brooklyn Bridge?

    The Republicans finally have someone in office who is going to fulfill their decade's long agenda of ending SS, Medicare and Medicaid. Yet people say if you don't vote for Obama a Republican might get in...and do what???? Destroy the big 3 that Obama already destroyed. Cause about half the country to become homeless, go hungry and have no medical care? Too late, Obama will have beaten them to it. Keep trillions of dollars going to endless wars? Keep giving the wealthiest every tax break imaginable? Let Monsanto destroy our food supply. Not punish WS or the banks and make sure they do better than ever before in the history of the US? Give trillions to the health insurance and drug companies while turning 50 million uninsured when he came into office into almost 200 million uninsured in less than 4 years?

    We have been under Republican rule since at least 2000 and yet so many can't or won't see it.

    •  when? I'm I missing something? (0+ / 0-)
      Destroy the big 3 that Obama already destroyed
      good try troll...

      "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

      by tuma on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 12:01:00 PM PDT

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  •  It's really sad that (2+ / 0-)
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    the right has gone so far right that Reagan would be a socialist, commie liberal.  Too bad the media doesn't report on just how extreme the right has become.  

  •  I always laugh when See posts like this (0+ / 0-)

    Do you guys think the republicans care about facts? Well they don't They love Reagan even more now than they ever did.

    I heard a call that Mike Stark made to Rush where he pointed out all of Ron's short comings and Rush hung up on him and laughed. Rush was like how dare you Talk bad about the Great Ronaldas Magnus!

    Conservatives don't care about facts they RONALDAS MAGNUS IS THERE GOD!!!!

    I mean really how long was the guys funeral they trotted his casket around for like 2 months and people kept flags at half mast for more than that. Give it up nobody cares.

    He was an awful president that bright us the type of politics we have today.

  •  Republicans rewrite the past. (0+ / 0-)

    Ronald Reagan is a demi-god to the Republicans. But that doesn't stop them from going much farther on the fringe than Reagan ever was, they simply rewrite the past. They rewrote the past to make Reagan "tough on terrorism", when in reality, he cut and ran from Lebanon and sold arms to Iran.

    Shining a light on the real Reagan legacy doesn't mean we are endorsing Reagan, just showing how extreme the right has become.

    The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

    by A Citizen on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 01:43:11 PM PDT

  •   No surprise. (0+ / 0-)

    Ronnie is left of Obama and most of the Blue Dog Obama cheerleaders here at dkos.

    When the rose lies withered by the roadside don't try to negotiate the bloom.

    by Atilla the Honey Bunny on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 01:59:39 PM PDT

  •  And they claim Jesus as their Messiah... (0+ / 0-)

    yet many do not practice what Jesus taught

    see: Sermon on the mount

    "Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal" -- Logical Song -- Rick Davies & Roger Hodgson

    by Over50Lib on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 04:10:02 PM PDT

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