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(Jonathan Ernst/Reuters)
Public Policy Polling (7/15-18, New Jersey voters, 1/6-9 in parens):
Barack Obama (D): 56 (55)
Chris Christie (R): 39 (38)

It's not exactly a shock that President Obama would lead a potential Republican rival in New Jersey—he won the state by more than 15 points in 2008 and the last time New Jersey went for a Republican was in 1988.

But Chris Christie isn't just any old Republican: he's supposedly one of their great big hopes for winning the presidency in 2012. And he can't even carry his home state.

Obama was leading Christie by the same margin in January, but the fact that Chris Christie's job approval is tanking can't help:

Do you approve or disapprove of Governor Chris Christie’s job performance?

Approve: 43 (48)
Disapprove: 53 (45)

I guess it turns out that being an asshole bully doesn't win you as many friends as Republicans may have once dreamed.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 01:47 PM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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    •  It's kinda a shock to me. (13+ / 0-)

      Born. Raided. Still living and loving it here.
      But when Christie won I thought we lost our minds.
      He actually won my heavily D county. I wanted to cry.
      That NEVER happened.

      This makes me smile.
        thank you.

      "Oh no...you changed your hair color? It's just so dark. You like it? And with your skin tone?" My Mom ♥ 12.25.2007 ------- A true sportsman is a hunter lost in the woods and out of ammo. ~Robert Brault

      by Christin on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 01:50:35 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Nice to have some pleasant news on an otherwise... (6+ / 0-)

        ...dreary news day, eh?

        •  :-) Raided? (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          blue jersey mom

          i have no clue what i mean anymore.
          but living in nj - kinda fitting.
          but yes - thank you for posting this Jed.
          having him as my Governor is a bitter pill to try to swallow.

          "Oh no...you changed your hair color? It's just so dark. You like it? And with your skin tone?" My Mom ♥ 12.25.2007 ------- A true sportsman is a hunter lost in the woods and out of ammo. ~Robert Brault

          by Christin on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 03:13:01 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Obama losing Independents... (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          gooderservice, Asak

          to a would-be Republican in NJ is pleasant?

          Got anymore rosey glasses for those without them?

          More and Better Democrats

          by SJerseyIndy on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 04:44:07 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Christie's best days are behing him... (5+ / 0-)

        Watch his poll numbers fall off a cliff, as will his reelection chances.

        Did you know: Christie was the U.S. Attorney that refused to indict Murdoch and NewsCorp for their dirty tricks in an advertising case, in which Newscorp eventually paid a 29 million dollar settlement.  

        I hear that the U.S. Attorney Generals Office is currently preparing subpoenas for other NewsCorp actions - i.e., bugging the telephones of 911 victim's families.  I just hope they do the same concerning Christie's involvement in the above case.

        However, knowing Obama and A.G. Holder's abysmal record thus far, I think they will simply give him a pass.  I'm not kidding about this.

        •  Agree (0+ / 0-)

          Holder is incompetent at best. But the press can sniff this out and even though Holder is unable to get out of his private bathroom unscathed (think pink panther), Christie can still be skewered.

          I hold no hope that DOJ can do anything other than defend DADT and DOMA. Nothing else

          Seems all their attorneys are bush holdovers and came from Oral Roberts U., where going down is an art.

          Try not to let your mind wander... It's too small and fragile to be out by itself.

          by mjcc1987 on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 03:34:44 PM PDT

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      •  You were raided (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Christin, mainely49

        in New Jersey? Hope you weren't doing anything incriminating. ;-)

        •  :-) strange typo. :-) (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          itskevin, mainely49

           but considering who is living with us for a while. maybe not.

          "Oh no...you changed your hair color? It's just so dark. You like it? And with your skin tone?" My Mom ♥ 12.25.2007 ------- A true sportsman is a hunter lost in the woods and out of ammo. ~Robert Brault

          by Christin on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 03:13:48 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Why are you smiling. (0+ / 0-)

        We've got some assholic corrupt Democrats in Camden County and in North Jersey.

        You're smiling. Ewww.  

        To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

        by gooderservice on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:28:07 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  To be fair (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        mjcc1987

        Corzine wasn't the strongest candidate - with a Dem legislature he hadn't really made a huge dent in the state's problems; having made a gazllion at Bear Stearns didn't exactly qualify him in the "understands people like me" category either.

        •  Because (0+ / 0-)

          running a business and running government do not take the same skill set no matter what businessmen running for office tell you.

          We all don't start at zero

          by BeeClone on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 03:39:20 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Corzine was a better governor... (0+ / 0-)

            ...than he was a candidate for governor.  

          •  A corporate leader is... (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            trickamsterdam

            inherently unqualified to be a public servant. The end goals of each are diametrically opposed to each other.  A corporate CEO's goal is to enlarge the profits of it's shareholders and sometime, ok most time, that requires screwing the public. The goal of a public servant, on the other hand, is to serve the public need.  A CEO will seldom encounter push back on their directives, while a public servant will encounter push back on just about every suggestion they make. Seldom will a public servant give a directive while a CEO rarely gives a suggestion.

            •  Completely disagree, corporate leader is better... (0+ / 0-)

              An example of this is the miserable failure of the R congress to raise the debt ceiling.

              A corporate leader actually has to do things, but a career politician only has to convince voters that he has done something...even if he hasn't.

              So the R House passes the Paul Ryan plan, which they know has no chance to become law, and then pass their CCB plan, which they know has no chance to become law, or a part of the US constitution.

              Then they go back to their base and blame it on the D Senate and Obama, and say "send us more republicans". Even though they know no matter how well they do in 2012 they will never get 2/3 of both houses for that version of a balanced budget amendment, and Dems can filibuster the legislation as well.

              That's because their business is not to balance the budget, it's to get reelected and help their friends get reelected and increase their power by becoming committee chairmen, instead of ranking members.

              Corporate leaders would understand that in either the long or the short run, a default on the debt will cost them money, and that the Dems have equal power: and they would cut a deal.

              And this applies to other issues as well.

              District: Red-light...

              by trickamsterdam on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 01:14:02 AM PDT

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    •  That pic - very Sopranos (nt) (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      mjcc1987

      "Injustice wears ever the same harsh face wherever it shows itself." - Ralph Ellison

      by KateCrashes on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:48:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Tipped and rec'd for calling Christie (12+ / 0-)

    an asshole bully.  Needed the laugh.

    The best way to predict the future is to invent it. Alan kay

    by Robinswing on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 01:57:27 PM PDT

  •  Can't look at that pic of Christie (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Major Tom, JeffW

    without thinking of this.

    "Part...of...a...team.  Teamwork!"

  •  Good news at least. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Jed Lewison

    I work with B2B PAC, and all views and opinions in this account are my own.

    by slinkerwink on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 02:00:12 PM PDT

  •  Yeah but Pres. Obama's Not Leading Romney (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Major Tom

    from the July 20, 2011 PPP:

    For the first time since last July Barack Obama does not lead Mitt Romney in PPP's monthly national poll on the 2012 Presidential race. Romney has now pulled into a tie with the President at 45%.

    . . . independents split against him by a 44/49 margin, and 16% of Democrats are unhappy with the job he's doing while only 10% of Republicans give him good marks. Republicans dislike him at this point to a greater extent than Democrats like him and that will be a problem for him moving forward if it persists.

    Is it that pollees can't tell the two apart? Romney

    . . .leads the President by 9 points with independents at 46-37. And he earns more crossover support, getting 13% of the Democratic vote while only 8% of Republicans are behind Obama.

    Readers & Book Lovers Pull up a chair! You're never too old to be a Meta Groupie

    by Limelite on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 02:12:57 PM PDT

    •  If Unemployment Persists (4+ / 0-)

      Obama will join Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush as recent one termers.

      By the way, with all these budget cuts, unemployment can only get worse.

      •  Doubt it (0+ / 0-)

        As long as Obama keeps his base strong, it will be fine. It will be much more difficult if it goes to 10% but he can pull it out. Especially if the GOP nominates Bachmann. Obama still has relatively high approval ratings with such a bad economy and that is unheard of and it's because people like the guy and the Repubs are showing themselves to be very bad for this country.

    •  Not trying to downplay the difficulties (6+ / 0-)

      Obama will have next year, but almost every other Obama has him leading Romney, including one out from Fox News today. And this one has him tied, during a pretty difficult time in his presidency. Again, not to say Obama wont have a tough re-election, but not really something to panic about.

      •  Right (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        journeyman, Matt Z, Supavash

        Obama is a very good campaigner and it looks like he is starting to rally the base. I think we are watching what is going to become one of the defining moments of his Presidency right now.

        Not saying we are not going to have to work, because we are. We have to really go after all these Tea Party nutballs. They are their own worst enemy, but we cannot allow them to remain in any position of authority. I keep saying it, but they are basically no different than your crazy hardcore Republican neighbor.
        They are still in shock over the nation electing a black guy to be President and they will never be able to look at him legitimately. Our President completely fucks their racist worldview, so they must delve into conspiracy theories to explain his election.

    •  In New Jersey Obama's leading Romney by 13 (7+ / 0-)

      Nationally they are tied

      But the point here has more to do with Chris Christie than Barack Obama.

      •  There's a Similar Climate in FL (0+ / 0-)

        regarding Obama vs. Scott.  But Obama's re-election in FL will probably be slimmer, if successful at all, than it was in '08.

        Fortunately, Rubio as Veep does nothing to enhance the Republican ticket in the state.

        I don't know how meaningful it is to look at polling of the president vs. a governor in predicting the presidential election outcome.  It's apples to oranges comparison.

        Looking at head-to-head polling of contenders for the same office makes sense.  And the numbers are not encouraging at this stage.

        BTW, PPP is NOT the only poll that shows Romney equal or surpassing Obama.  But PPP is the polling outfit whose data I most trust as honest.

        Absolutely, the economy will be THE deciding factor in '12, and lack of jobs creation in impactful numbers by this Administration, bodes ill.

        Readers & Book Lovers Pull up a chair! You're never too old to be a Meta Groupie

        by Limelite on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 02:33:04 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  How can the point possibly be (0+ / 0-)

        with Christie and Obama?

        Christie's not running.

        But the point here has more to do with Chris Christie than Barack Obama.

        To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

        by gooderservice on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:31:24 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Obama hasn't really started campaiging (0+ / 0-)

      It's early and the Republican primary battle is going to be a total shit show. The winner of it is going to emerge very bloodied. I would question any poll that has 13 percent of Democrats supporting Romney.

  •  Is there a GOP candidate who is popular (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    yella dawg, JeffW

    in their home state? Okay, Christie isnt a candidate in 2012, but this got me thinking.

    I doubt Pawlenty or Bachmann could win MN, no way Romney wins MA. Gingrich would probably make GA at least competitive. Oh, Huntsman, forgot about him, he(or any other Republican) would win UT. And I guess Perry is popular in TX, but there are some conflicting polls on that.

  •  Not a shock (0+ / 0-)

    If you're from the state, as I am, it's no shock.

  •  christie-sanders for president (0+ / 0-)

    as in Bernie Sanders.  
    http://www.facebook.com/...
    and then there's my own candidacy as well.
    http://steinforpresident2012.com/

    just keeping it light and breezy folks.  by the way, it's 99 degrees outside in the shade at 5:30 in the afternoon.  i'm one semi-conservative that has no doubts about global warming.  no i don't!

    "If you love me, let me live in peace, please understand That the black sheep can wear the golden fleece And hold a winning hand" Tim Hardin

    by blacksheepboy on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 02:26:19 PM PDT

  •  I find this terribly irrelevant. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    gooderservice

    But any good news surely is welcome for this President.

    And it's good news only on its face. Dig deeper, and you see he loses the much-desired Independent vote to Romney in the state.

    Sooner or later this POTUS will acknowledge that his fate lies in Democrats, and act accordingly.

    Or he might be acting for pay after November 2012.

    More and Better Democrats

    by SJerseyIndy on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 04:43:14 PM PDT

    •  tha tis really bad since last (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      SJerseyIndy

      I looked indy's in NJ are more numerous than D's and R's combined

      To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men~~ Abraham Lincoln

      by Tanya on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:24:26 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I think you're wishing and hoping and dreaming. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      SJerseyIndy
      Sooner or later this POTUS will acknowledge that his fate lies in Democrats, and act accordingly

      I've never seen that, and based on past experience, I will never see that.

      Obama HAS NOT earned my vote, period.  

      To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

      by gooderservice on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:33:04 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  ...Even after "60 Minutes" (0+ / 0-)

    kissed Gov. Christie in the ass a few months ago.

    New Jerseyans must be smart.

    -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

    by sunbro on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:18:06 PM PDT

    •  New Jerseyans must be smart? (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      sunbro

      We are.  Said as a proud New Jerseyite.

      But we've never given the facts.  We're always misinformed and disinformed.  And without the factual information, we're not smart.

      North Jersey might as well be another state, as it has NOTHING in common with South Jersey.

      New Jersey does not have their own media:  North Jersey listens to New York North Jersey edition, and South Jersey listens to Philadelphia, South Jersey edition.

      In fact, South Jerseyans root for the Eagles and the Flyers, not the New Jersey hockey team or the New York football teams.

      To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

      by gooderservice on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:36:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Republicans keep dreaming of winning NJ can't (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JeffW, blue jersey mom, Supavash

    figure out why based on the data. It's been their great white whale for decades!

    -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

    by dopper0189 on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:19:51 PM PDT

  •  here in nj there was a major and (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Book of Hearts

    unrelenting ad campaign against Christie for month by the NJEA. I haven't seen any since the budget was signed so I will be watching to see the polls after labor day.

    Christie now has an ad campaign going on about how great NJ's budget is and how much was added to education. I haven't seen or heard any counter attacks as of yet

    To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men~~ Abraham Lincoln

    by Tanya on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:20:39 PM PDT

    •  Paul D. Moriarty, my assholic Assemblyman, (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Tanya

      dancing to the corrupt Norcross' county healthcare corruption tune, voted with Christie.  WTF.

      Hey, guess who's not voting for Moriarty in the next election?  If you answered that I wouldn't vote for him:  You're right.  Bingo.  Except Camden County politics are so effing corrupt, that it will be difficult to unseat him.  The primaries are over, so he has no primary challenger.  I won't vote for the republican, but you can bet your whatever that I will never vote for Paul Ass Moriarty again.  Unless he changes his ways.

      To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

      by gooderservice on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:41:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  i am feeling that way agout a lot of D's these (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        gooderservice

        days. No more lesser of the two evils for me. i have been voting for these asshole sfor nearly 40 years and getting nothing but more and more right wing policies.

        I am only voting for donating to real progressives from now on.

        To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men~~ Abraham Lincoln

        by Tanya on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 03:03:14 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  It's very sad for me. (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Tanya

          To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

          by gooderservice on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 03:05:10 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  What's especially sad... (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            gooderservice, Tanya

            ...is the risk that our Democrats' fecklessness could disgust voters enough to give Christie Republican majorities in the statehouse.  It doesn't look likely, but if it happened, New Jersey would be in a world of hurt.
            He said it himself - "Give me a Republican legislature and you won't believe what's gonna happen in New Jersey..."
            Believe him.

  •  Why has it never occured to me that Christie (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JeffW, UnaSpenser, badscience, Matt Z

    looks just like Mr. Creosote in The Meaning of Life just before he eats the wafer thin mint before.

    "I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your fuckin' mouth." --- Bill Hicks

    by voroki on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:21:15 PM PDT

  •  "just one more teeny, tiny mint...." is what comes (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    voroki, badscience, Matt Z

    into my mind whenever I see Christie at a dinner table.

    I'ts horrible, I know.

  •  Love the pic (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    rk2, Matt Z

    Is he playing the Penguin in The Dark Knight Rises?

    "I play this state like a stinking harp from hell!"

    If apes evolved from humans, why are there still humans?

    by Bobs Telecaster on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:24:34 PM PDT

  •  I've never gotten Christie. (0+ / 0-)

    People say he's a "straight shooter."  My ass.  Bernie Sanders is a straight shooter.  Kucinich is a straight shooter.  Christie is fat, ugly, and mean.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by Ms Johnson on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:25:30 PM PDT

  •  Meaningless. (0+ / 0-)

    Obama isn't done destroying the American Dream, including all the safety nets.

    To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

    by gooderservice on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:26:06 PM PDT

    •  On, in addition, Christie isn't running (0+ / 0-)

      in 2012.  So the poll is pointless.

      How's Romney doing against Obama in New Jersey?

      To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

      by gooderservice on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:26:59 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  53-39 Obama (0+ / 0-)

        Republicans aren't popular in NJ right now.
        Gee, I wonder why.

        You will never know what it’s like to work on a farm until your hands are raw, just so people can have fresh marijuana. Jack Handey

        by skohayes on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:38:10 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Hint: Neither are Democrats. (0+ / 0-)

          The Democrats voted against same sex marriage, and they voted WITH Christie to strip the public unions of their benefits.

          In addition, you can count on me to NOT vote for a Democrat who voted against same sex marriage, as well as NOT voting for the Democrats who voted with Christie.

          Interesting times, huh?

          Do you know why?  People, me, for instance, live by principles.  You screw with my kids, I screw with you.  Got it?

          To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

          by gooderservice on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:45:45 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  ok ok we get it (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Nedsdag, Supavash

            you are not going to vote for obama. 8 zillion times over the past year is enough for me. I believe you..ok?

            "This country was founded on compromise. I couldn't go through the front door at this country's founding" - President Barack Obama

            by AAMOM on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:53:15 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Yes, mocking me is a great idea. (0+ / 0-)

              I suggest you do that a thousand more times.

              Perhaps one of those times you mock me, you might address the issues.  

              To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

              by gooderservice on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:55:10 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

          •  No, it wwasn't all Dems (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            skohayes, Supavash

            it was Sweeney, Oliver, and a few key others and ALL the rethugs...so don't vote and give Christie even more berth to shove bad policy down our throats. I hate Sweeney and Oliver too, but my local Dems did the right thing.

            •  You're right, it wasn't ALL Dems, but enough (0+ / 0-)

              to support Christie to win the vote in a Democratic Legislature.  

              I'm happy for you that your local Dems voted against screwing the people.  My locals Dems voted for screwing the people.

              Now what?  What do you suggest?  

              To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

              by gooderservice on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 05:27:45 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  find better Dems to run? (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                Supavash

                It's not like you don't have a huge pool to choose from in New Jersey. Unlike Kansas, where Dems are scarcer than hen's teeth and good Dems all live somewhere else.
                Replacing Sweeney would be my first choice.

                You will never know what it’s like to work on a farm until your hands are raw, just so people can have fresh marijuana. Jack Handey

                by skohayes on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 03:47:29 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  too late to primary him (0+ / 0-)

                  buthe party should have the balls to make him switch parties or quit. But the party is run by Norcross and Adubato Sr. It seems likely that Sweeney will not get union votes, but it may not matter. In the past, we have had some repubs support the unions against John Lynch ( now in jail ) and even had a big Repub Jack Ewing defend tenure. But this is a different era, and those kinds of repubs have been kicked out.

      •  see Romney Vs. Obama (0+ / 0-)

        "This country was founded on compromise. I couldn't go through the front door at this country's founding" - President Barack Obama

        by AAMOM on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 03:07:11 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Oh please. Being a bit dramatic (0+ / 0-)

      What compelled you to vote for a person who would destroy the  American Dream (which is a myth) in the first place?

      How is Obama destroying the American Dream? Are you acting like the Republicans and putting all blame on him? Obama said we would have to work hard and that he couldn't save us alone. We are paying for our low turnout in 2010 right now with these House nutballs. Hopefully we have learned our lesson.

      •  I'm truly sorry that you can't or won't see (0+ / 0-)

        that when a DEMOCRATIC president is willing and eager to cut benefits from SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, that you're okay with that.

        Stay tuned.  It really doesn't matter what I say.  With the election results in 2012 -- maybe then you'll understand.  Or not.

        I'm just a working schlub.  When the public option was sold out by Obama in a closed door meeting, not only me but many others said that he Democrats would get their asses kicked in 2010.  I'm not happy that I was right, far from it.

        The Democratic Party and its leaders are not currently standing up for Democratic principles.  Hell, Harold Ford might as well be president right now --he'd be doing the same thing as Obama.

        Said sarcastically and probably too sarcastically:  Maybe you'll be happy when the debt ceiling is raised and there will be pretty pictures of Obama on vacation in August.

        Yes, that was snarky, below the belt, but nonetheless, it's true.

        The debt ceiling will be raised, whether it's a clean vote or not, or the big three get effed.  

        To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

        by gooderservice on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 03:04:07 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Obama is "eager to cut benefits"? (0+ / 0-)

          Where are you getting this from? Reform is not the same. If he makes cuts to these programs while generating revenue it is not the same as a GOP straight slash of the program.

          He got health care reform passed, the US wasn't ready for the Public Option (yet), but I really do not see what that has to do with this current discussion.

          I really don't care what "snarky" comment you make. You sound like a Ron Paul supporter with the comments about me wanting "pretty pictures of Obama". Your prediction of 2010 doesn't make you a genius. It was obvious that was coming, the economy is/was bad and the Republicans took advantage of it. Low turnout = more Republicans.

           Your comments are extremely reactionary, you have no idea what is going to end up in this deal. You just posted a bunch of opinion with no support. I am sorry you feel this way about the President, but I really hope you were not expecting to be 100 percent happy with him. Nobody is perfect.

          I really hope that what you predict is not true. I think the deal will be painful, but to act as if the President is enjoying this is absurd.

          •  "Reform" is a nasty talking point. (0+ / 0-)

            There is good and bad reform.

            For example, good reform would include raising the income cap on SS taxes.

            Your comments are extremely reactionary

            You can bet your whatever that they are.  JSC and FSM, an effing Democrat chooses to cut benefits.  That's sick and not acceptable.

            I agree with you here:

            Nobody is perfect.

            No one is perfect.  That's really not the point, though.  You either stand for something or you don't.  Obama stands to be a mediator, no matter what the consequences.

            I'm not on board with that.  See, I pay attention to details and vote accordingly.  That's how it works in a Democracy, in a Republic.

            To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

            by gooderservice on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 03:48:10 PM PDT

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  •  Governor Paul Blart (0+ / 0-)

    Christie is our Governor and it's no shock he's where he is in the polls.  I'd never support the guy, but since he is our Governor; I was hoping he'd at least help us in someway.  I knew he wouldn't but what makes everything painful is his way of talking.

    I'm not talking about "Joisey" or that stuff.  It just seems....he loves to be the "straight-talkin' guy" and he'll do anything to be that since that's his image.  He goes out of his way to pick fights with the Unions, state workers, etc. so the right-wing can drool over his prospects.  

    This comment was also more exciting than Tim Pawlenty

    by RVKU on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:28:15 PM PDT

  •  So? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    voroki

    Is PPP also polling Obama's performance against Mitch Daniels, Haley Barbour, and Mickey Mouse?

    Families is where a nation finds hope, where wings take dream.

    by cardinal on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 02:30:00 PM PDT

  •  What lovely news on sunny Saturday afternoon... (0+ / 0-)

    couldn't happen to a bigger, better asshole. There are no words to describe the depths of my disgust for Chris Christie.

  •  It shows the Tea Party is a small minority fringe (0+ / 0-)

    Group. Christie is a Tea Party favorite and is untouched by the early mudsmears being slung by the GOP Presidential candidates. Its relevant because he is not even carrying his home state. This shows that the "Tea Party" is obviously not the majority the claim.

  •  christie's NJ numbers inconsequential (0+ / 0-)

    not sure Christie's poll numbers in NJ are significant at present.   Obama has similar numbers as christie nationally.  Christie would be a major threat if he were to enter the race.  Repubs don't need NJ to win a national race.  The race will be decided by OH, PA, and FL voters.

  •  Wait (0+ / 0-)

    a ham sandwich leads Chri....... oh wait, it's gone now...

    Try not to let your mind wander... It's too small and fragile to be out by itself.

    by mjcc1987 on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 03:28:25 PM PDT

  •  Republican ideology similar to elementary school (0+ / 0-)

    Think of the bullies in 3rd grade who would surround themselves with weaker cronies, trying to find easy targets to pick on. You're fat. You wear glasses.

    Now it's, you're gay. You're a teacher. They seek out every group they hated in elementary school to assert their dominance. It's a primitive culture of angry white males trying to keep their power - power that may be slipping away from them.

    People like Chris Christie, Scott Walker, John Kasich, Rick Scott - they are grown-up bullies. If you want to take this analogy further, remember that Rick Snyder ran his campaign as "one tough nerd." Yeah, well now the nerd's in with the popular kids, and he's gonna fuck you over just as hard, but it'll hurt twice as badly because you thought you could trust him.

    In the end - they just never grew up.

  •  Placement... (1+ / 0-)
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    can be important.  On the front page just above this diary is a diary and a photo of two poor African girls.  Then, just about 3 inches below that photo is a photo of Chris Christi looking like jabba-the-hut raising a glass of what looks like white wine.  What a contrast. No wonder some people hate us.

  •  You have to attack Christie on corruption (0+ / 0-)

    like his all out prosecutions of mostly Dem's

    And

    His $50 Million - NO BID contract to his crony
    former AG Ashcroft.

    Public Bribery - and Corruption - OPENLY

    and no MSM review of how Absurd it all is!

    Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

    by laserhaas on Sat Jul 23, 2011 at 08:35:31 PM PDT

  •  Christie is an asshole (1+ / 0-)
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    laserhaas

    That's all I need to say about this

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 07:26:26 AM PDT

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