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I have downloaded the Anders manifesto and used the search function for pdf documents to skim through it.

First, A couple highlights: He praises the Tea Party as a sign of the coming race war.

We, the European Revolutionary Conservatives know very well that it will take many years, even decades before we successfully manage to consolidate to a degree where we can seize political and military power in the first Western European country. In the US, the Tea party movement is one of the first physical, political manifestations which indicate that there is a great storm coming. The creation of similar conservative organizations, even the creation of revolutionary conservative movements ... is about to materialize. The cultural Marxists are losing their momentum to our advantage.

He also praises Pam Geller (Atlas Shrugs blog) and her Eurofascist cronies, and he spends a couple pages attacking Charles Johnson (Little Green Footballs) for calling the Pam's cronies "Fascists." Anders says Charles Johnson should be killed. I guess nothing says "I am NOT a Fascist" like killing people who call you a "fascist."

I have watched, for the better part of a year, a number of decent human beings including, but not limited to, Pamela Geller, Paul Belien, Diana West, the Baron and Dymphna from the Gates of Vienna blog and many others, being at the receiving end of a vicious smear campaign from Charles Johnson and Little Green Footballs which is unlike anything I have seen in my life.
Yep, he wants to kill half of Europe, but his panties are in a bunch over Charles Johnson.

Some of his statements are quite familiar and yet generic

How should we respond to the threats our civilisation is facing? First of all, ordinary citizens should arm themselves immediately since crime and violence is spreading fast throughout the Western world.

Getting rid of multicultural education second on his list:
Second, we need to reclaim pride in our heritage, which has been systematically taken away from us in recent generations, and restore a proper teaching of this in our education system. We should assume that the mass media and our leaders are not telling us the full truth.....

Strangely enough, Anders starts off with a 40 page indictment of "political correctness" in education. Really? Clearly, in the quote I just showed, he wants the schools to teach "pride in our heritage," which coming from a guy who wants a race war, probably means white nationalism.  He really really really wants racism in the schools, and his hatred of political correctness is his main reason that he literally wants to kill half the population of Europe. Because in his mind, the measured rational response to mild criticism is mass slaughter.

Look, we can kick around the PC controversy, but now we can just say "You know who else is obsessed with political correctness?  Terrorists who slaughter children." And for that Anders, we thank you.

Around page 350, we get a 10 page tirade against feminism, because equality for women is bound to lead to Sharia law. Confused yet?

Feminism has hurt us by encouraging public accept for intellectual hypocrisy, which later paved the way for Islamic infiltration.
Really? That meets your standard for cause and effect? It's been said that claiming to conquer hypocrisy and relativism is a hallmark of totalitarianism. We might also say that Ander's statement is an almost  random string of words amounting to a propagandist's slogan.

This leads into a brief discussion low birth rates for whites, because what is a white supremacist manifesto without strategies for increase fertility. Interestingly, Anders is against Social Security, because not providing social security will encourage whites to have more children.

Of course no manifesto is complete without fixating on some specific group, and Anders wants a ban on the entire field of sociology.

On page 375 he launches into a detailed description of liberal psychology. This is a gold mine of projection and pot-kettle-black comedy that forms the basis of all the familiar wingnut strawman attacks.  You hate rationality and science, women, and Europe (presumably you libs hate France and Greece).

Then we have another compulsory event - attacking the biased liberal press. "Nuff said.

Then a couple hundred more pages on Islam.

Once Anders get past the the first 600 pages of Islamophobia, much of his manifesto is right out of Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism" which was of course elaborated on by Glenn Beck.  He urges his followers to exterminate what Goldberg called the "Liberal Fascists," which he calls "cultural Marxists." But he spends hundreds of pages saying that leftists are "the real" Nazis," which is the drum the Beck has been banging for years. He urges a civil war that will exterminate the liberal half of the population (the "traitors") to save the country from race mixing and "political correctness."

Anders constantly uses the  "liberals are the real racists" cliche. He claims he's "not a racist" because he wants to kill all the liberals, not just the brown ones. Sure he wants to kill the brown liberals, but that's not because of race. So he's not a racist. It will be interesting to see how many right wingers try to argue Anders is not a racist, because Anders said he isn't, not withstanding the hundreds of pages of wildly racist conspiracy theories and plans for race war. Maybe that's what Jonah Goldberg meant when he said he did not think Hitler was a racist, despite all that nasty stuff about "race" in Mein Kampf.

Anders calls everything he doesn't like "cultural Marxist," which is his version of "Liberal Fascism." Alert readers have pointed out "cultural Marxism" has been around for while, and it's been used by that lovable Nazi apologist, Pat Buchannan.  Crooks & Liars shows Breitbart explaining "cultural Marxism" to Sean Hannity, and they both cluck cluck about how conservatives are the real victims of racism. Hey Sean and Andrew, you know who else believes that? Some guy that massacred a hundred people.
And here is one posted by a white supremacist from StormFront

Conservatives use "cultural Marxism"  to describe the excessive influence of socialists of the 1960's "Frankfurt School," who wrote many of the classic sociology books about Fascism. Conservatives naturally raise this to the status of a conspiracy, and many of the "conspirators" were Jews who escaped the Nazis. In Anders' case, it definitely looks like he wants a do-over where white supremacists get to crush these Jewish ideas once and for all.

It's also classic Big Lie propaganda to extend the idea of Marxism to systematic anti-white racism.  Marx was all about class, and communism is not racist. Fascism is belief system that is usually distinctly racist, not Communism.  But Anders uses "cultural Marxism" to describe the epidemic of antiwhite racism that he sees in liberals.  This is central to Hitler's idea of racial struggle with the white race under siege by genocidal immigrants.  Anders climbs aboard this bus  and rides it all the way to  Crazy Town.

Is Anders a Nazi? He loves many Nazi policies, he specifically wants to kill most of the Jews (the liberals) because they are conspirators, he used to post on StormFront,  he says Hitler could have been a "hero," but that Hitler's obsession with exterminating all the Jews instead of deporting them was a disastorous PR move.  But Anders only wants to kill most Jews, not necessarily every single one of them.  

Global conspiracy theories have shifted from the Jews to the Muslims. Anders believes that Muslims are the new puppetmasters of the world who have already taken over the European governments. Nevertheless, he puts most of the blame on the previous generation of liberal sociologists, who he idicts by name. Many of them were Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany. Like any large conspiracy theory, on close examination we find antisenitism and some sort of alchemy that makes liberal Jews the agents of Sharia law. Similar "reasoning" was used by critics of Elena Kagan (an observant Jew) who claimed she favored Sharia law.

Collectively, these belief are like very similar compounds that all containt the same active ingredient, like arsenic. We can distill the down the common element of Anders, Hitler, Alex Jones, and Glenn Beck to ten words or less:

Liberals plan to enslave or kill the white race!

In a formal sense, Anders is probably not a "Nazi," but it's in the same sense that someone 7'6" is not really a "giant." Certainly about 90% of his beliefs overlap with Nazism, and if he'd lived in a Nazi occupied coutry he probably would have done really well for himself as an enthusiastic collaborator.

Perhaps the best way to understand Anders is that he got kicked out of the Nazi clubhouse for complaining that Hitler was bad at public relations.  If Anders was simply a Holocaust Denier instead of being mildly critical of the Holocaust, he would fit right in among the white supremacist, white separatist, Holocaust denying, bomb building, closet nazi conspiracy nuts.  That is to say that he is extremely similar to many tens of thousands of nuts in America.  Anders and our American white supremacists seem to be separated by only some minor differences in doctorine, but they share the same goals, the same tactics, most of the same buzzwors, and similar beliefs.

Anders claims liberals are "the real Nazis," and Anders is merely protecting the "Nordic race" and "Germanic tribes" which are headed to extinction over the next 50 years because of race mixing.  Liberals are "the real Nazis" because they are failing to prevent these demographic changes that threaten the Nordic race, so exterminating the liberal fascists is merely self defense.  His answer to  what he sees as a demographic problem is a preemptive terror campaign, culminating in a genocidal civil that will exterminate the liberal race "traitors."  This theme  was revived by Jonah Goldberg and Glenn Beck as "liberal fascism," with Beck reintroducing many classic Fascist conspiracy theories, white supremacist dog whistles, and Jewish boogy-men (Soros, Alinsky. etc).

However, Anders realizes that flying the Nazi flag is a loser, so he lays out his ideas for repackaging Hitler for the modern audience. His manifesto is much like Mein Kampf in that it is largely a propaganda manual.  Anders recognizes the need to have a short term goal that he can use to recruit people without going into all the details about his planned genocidal race war. How can he recruit without nabbing that 5 oclock time slot on Fox?

His idea is to seek Nordic enclaves in Europe, basing this on the idea that his people can claim status as "native Europeans" in the face of Muslim colonization.  His goal is to be considered a modern "Sitting Bull"  rather than a modern "Hitler." Apparently he feels liberals would be unable to quash this line of reasoning, which he would use to recruit converts to his race war.

Am I a Sitting Bull or a Hitler of our time? As you already know, Sitting Bull was a celebrated hero, a Native American Chief who fought on behalf of his people against General Armstrong Custer and the US force. Ask yourself, who is the Hitler of the two? Sitting Bull or General Custer? Was Sitting Bull a terrorist because he fought for the indigenous rights of his people or was he a hero? That is the question that you will decide during this trial. We, the armed European Resistance Movements, are in fact fighting for our indigenous rights

He spends hundreds of pages playing the pot-kettle-black word game perfected by Beck, claiming that liberals are "the real Nazis." . Like Beck, many of his concepts are lifted from Mein Kampf, Like Beck he fantasizes about a collapse of civilization along racial lines. Like Beck he has to deny being a Nazi. Here's a hint- writing hundreds of pages about not being a Nazi is like writing hundreds of pages proving you aren't gay. Just come out of the Nazi closet! And towards the end he does, pondering whether his movement should embrace the "Nazi" brand. He warns his followers to not wear swastikas and say Seig Heil! because it would put off new recruits.
DO NOT make this war about race or ethnicity. You have to keep in mind that most people in Western Europe have been systematically indoctrinated for the last 4-5 decades. So opening liners such as the following is guaranteed to push people away: “hail brother, fight by our side in the ongoing race war, we are going to destroy the ZOG and kill all the Jews, sieg heil brother!
Yes, someone has to be pretty deep in the Nazi closet to have to warn his followers to not say Seig Heil! Oh and um, leave the swastikas at home.
Carefully consider the use of symbols as it might backfire. Cross of the
martyrs is fine (St. George) but avoid any symbol associated with Nazism.

Why does Anders say are liberals are Fascists? He says it is because liberals don't support purging immigrants and creating racially pure white homelands. Let him speak for himself:
 

The outcome of the Aboriginal and Native American struggle established a crystal clear precedence which dictates that the indigenous peoples of a specific territory have undisputed exclusive rights in their own lands. If this is the case for Aborigines in Australia and Native Americans in the US, shouldn’t that be the case for Europeans in Europe as well? The fact that the cultural Marxists, anti-nationalist humanists and globalists outright refuse us the same basic human rights prove without a doubt that THEY are in fact the racists, that they are the fascists and Nazis of our time.
Get it? In his world, ethnic cleansing and creating Nordic territory is the brave "anti Nazis." Peaceful coexistence is for "Nazis," who should be preemptively killed.

Of course that is another familiar theme to American readers - that it is the liberals who are the real racists. I do not think it would too much of a stretch to say that he would agree with Beck's statement that Obama "hates White culture."  Although Beck declined to elaborate on that statement, I certainly interpreted it as a dog whistle to people like Anders.  Again, it is another theme from Mein Kampf that has been crammed through the Overton window.

What about teh Jews??? Like many American conservatives, he makes a big show of his unconditional support for Israel, and he claims that he does not hate Jews. There are lots of things in the manifesto that American wingnuts will find familiar. Like Haggee he says that Hitler did the Jews a favor by chasing them to Israel.

The deportation of the Jews from Germany wouldn’t be popular but eventually, the Jewish people would regard Hitler as a hero because he returned the Holy land to them.
He divides Jews into the good Jews and the Jews who are part of the liberal movement.His good Jews live in Israel, but he says  the bad Jews are part of the race mixing liberals, who need to be exterminated.
But please learn the difference between a nation-wrecking multiculturalist Jew and a conservative Jew. Don’t make the same mistake that NSDAP did. Never target a Jew because he is a Jew, but rather because he is a category A or B traitor....... And don’t forget that the bulk of the category A and B traitor sare Christian Europeans.
Were the majority of the German and European Jews disloyal (in the 1930s)? Yes, at least the so called liberal Jews, similar to the liberal Jews today that opposes nationalism/Zionism and supports multiculturalism. Jews that support multiculturalism today are as much of a threat to Israel and Zionism (Israeli nationalism) as they are to us. So let us fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists. Conservative Jews were loyal to Europe and should have been rewarded. Instead, (Hitler) just targeted them all… So, are the current Jews in Europe and US disloyal? The multiculturalist (nation-wrecking) Jews ARE while the conservative Jews ARE NOT. Aprox. 75% of European/US Jews support multiculturalism while aprox. 50% of Israeli Jews does the same. This shows very clearly that we must embrace the remaining loyal Jews as brothers rather than repeating the mistake of the NSDAP.

See how reasonable he is? He only wants to kill (or deport) 75% of the European Jews,and only half the Jews in Israel (I guess there's nowhere to send them). What a mensch!

So while he say Hitler may have over reacted just a little bit in killing the Jews instead of deporting them, Anders does acknowledge that Adolph solved the "Jewish problem."

Today’s conservatives and want-to-be Nazis are ignorant when they obsess so much over the Jews. There is no Jewish problem in Western Europe (with the exception of the UK and France) as we only have 1 million in Western Europe, whereas 800 000 out of these 1 million live in France and the UK. The US on the other hand, with more than 6 million Jews (600% more than Europe) actually has a considerable Jewish problem.

But don't think Anders hates all Jews, or he'll pop a cap in your ass for being a bigot against the Nordics.

Anders also has the Nazi's intolerance for dissent. Liberal Fascists are like Monty Pythons gangsters, the Piranha Brothers, who terrorized London with sarcasm. Yes, in Anders world, the mere fact that people complain is enough to earn them a bullet. Although Anders is ambivalent about being called a Nazi, this is where he quotes Mein Kampf directly:

Adolf Hitler described how to use “spiritual terror” to intimidate and silence opponents, a technique he learned from watching the Socialists and the Social Democrats. (Hitler) understood
“the infamous spiritual terror which this movement exerts, particularly on the bourgeoisie, which is neither morally nor mentally equal to such attacks; at a given sign it unleashes a veritable barrage of lies and slanders against whatever adversary seems most dangerous, until the nerves of the attacked persons break down and, just to have peace again, they sacrifice the hated individual… Conversely, they praise every weakling on the opposing side, sometimes cautiously, sometimes loudly, depending on the real or supposed quality of his intelligence.”
Of course, considering that Ander feels "political correctness" has doomed western civilization, he's pretty cavalier about the need to exterminate anyone that makes fun of his beliefs. That sounds like pretty extreme political correctness to me!

Anders sense of privilege is central, that minorities and liberals need to respect him. Failure to be deferential to Anders is one of his main excuse for violence. This is typical of authoritarians and racists,  Certainly this goes deep into the psyche of people who use the word "respect" a lot and say things like "You think you're better than me?"  just before taking a swing at some stranger. It's the old "Daddy only drinks because you cry" dynamic of the completely dysfunctional family where on any given day Daddy is randomly beating mom or the kids.

Anders attacks many of the Jewish authors of classic books on the Nazis and authoritarians, including Erich Fromm. Many of these authors were Jews who fled the Nazis, so they had a pretty good idea of what the Nazis were about. Anders has an ax to grind with these authors who called the Nazis "right wing" and "fascists."  I guess he would call these liberals voices "Nazis" and "the real fascists," because nothing says "Nazi" like being a Jew who fled the Third Reich.  Again we see themes of the Jewish threat from Mein Kampf.  

Anders is a Christian nationalist. People who are claiming he is not a Christian have latched onto his statement that he "does not have a strong personal reltionship with Jesus Christ."  This is the sort of evangelical hairsplitting that lets our fundementalists declare liberals or Catholics aren't "real Christians." People who would call Anderson "not a real Christian" probably have along list of people they have already decided "aren't real Christians" either.

Anders sounds like Dominionist movements in America with their calls for "spiritual warfare." Their Christ is muscular ass-kicking Jesus who wants his followers wrapped in Kevlar and practicing squad maneuvers in the Alabama woods.

The Bible tells us that we are now all good soldiers of Jesus Christ. Whether we want to face up to it or not, we are all living in a war zone as a result of the curse of Adam and Eve that is still in full operation on this earth. Anyone of us at anytime can come under human or demonic attack. The daily news will prove that to you without any shadow of a doubt.

Each Christian must now make their own personal decision on all of this. You can either choose to learn how to rise up in the power of your Lord and Saviour and learn how to become a true warrior in the Lord, or you can continue to keep your head in the sand and oppressor after oppressor keep beating you down. The choice is yours.

Pages 1327 to 1335 of the manifesto list Bible passages that justify violence

Anders sounds like readers of TheBlaze and World Net Daily whose outrage mirrors radical Muslim anger over insults to Islam.

Much like Liberal Modern states believe that it is their right to wage war on those that offend their concept of ‘human rights," So it is the right and duty of Christians to wage war on those that blaspheme our God and persecute our brethren.
The church should centre its life, not around sacraments, or dogmas, (though these should never be done away with), but on the experiences and the cause of the martyred, and the oppressed, and suffering Christian......Christians should come together and study and support one another in tackling persecution and oppression of Christians. Theology should be rooted in the experiences of the persecuted.......When we, the cultural conservatives of Europe seize power in approximately 5-7 decades, we will take the necessary steps to eradicate the corruption which is continuing to plague the Church (both the Catholic and Protestant church). We must ensure that we have Christian leaders who believe in; self defence, protection of Eastern Christendom and the protection of Christians worldwide.

I'll make two points, just in case your brain has overdosed on irony:
    1) He sounds just like a radical Islamist ranting about cartoons of the prophet.
    2) Violence over someone disrespecting your religion seems like the very "political
          correctness" Anders claims has doomed civilization.
Of course, we can also zoom out just a little bit more and see how Anders says he is fighting a violent conspiracy. How is fighting this dangerous conspiracy? By sneaking around, building bombs, and planning a terrorist campaign.

To fight with Anders, you must be practicing Christian Culture

If you want to fight for the cross and die under the “cross of the martyrs” it’s required that you are a practising Christian, a Christian agnostic or a Christian atheist (cultural Christian). The cultural factors are more important than your personal relationship with God, Jesus or the holy spirit. Even Odinists can fight with us or by our side as brothers in this fight as long as they accept the founding principles of PCCTS, Knights Templar and agree to fight under the cross of the martyrs. The essence of our struggle is to defeat the cultural Marxist/multiculturalist regimes of Western Europe before the we are completely demographically overwhelmed by Muslims. I have studied Norse Mythology and have a lot of respect for the Odinist traditions. I consider myself to be a Christian, but Odinism is still and will always be an important part of my culture and identity.
page 1360

Anders believe in the "War On Christmas" as described by Fox News

The day when the Democrats and Republicans decided that America should no longer be a Christian and a European country
“Happy holidays” and “season greetings” you say? What happened to “Merry Christmas”? Traditionally, the only holidays included in the "season" were Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Boxing Day (in some countries), New Year's Eve, New Year's Day and Three Kings Day. But apparently the US political parties have expanded this term quite recently. Did they ask the American people if they wanted this or did they implement this in an undemocratic manner? Now, thanksgiving, Christmas, Yule, Channukah, Boxing Day, Kwanzaa, and occasionally Ramadan or the Eid depending on the Islamic calendar, to name a few are considered equal to Christmas in the US. Because, suddenly the US didn’t have a state religion. You see, the Democrats and Republicans decided on behalf of all US citizens that the US should no longer a European and Christian country. Instead, they decided, through a multitude of undemocratically implemented bills, that they should create a non-European multicultural nation.........A nativity scene is a depiction of the birth of Jesus.......Today, such exhibitions are challenged on the grounds of separation of church and state.

Towards the end we get quite a bit of personal stuff. There is quite a bit about Masonic practices, his diet regimen, including steroids, and a lot of advice about creating personal arsenal in the EU. He's really into Kevlar body armor, but it seems like part of this is an extension of his fascination with knights.

And he's a Birther!

Additionally, we are calling for President Barrack Obama's Impeachment for actually saying he was a Marxist, as well as not being able to provide proof of American citizenship. ....

He thinks global warming is a hoax
 Desmoblog notes that Anders  cites the work of Lord Christopher Monckton, Alex Jones and Steve McIntyre. He also says that "Climategate"  showed how climate change science is really a convoluted conspiracy to redistribute the wealth from whites to liberals' Third World overlords under the control of the UN.

....Top scientists conspired to falsify data in the face of declining global temperatures in order to prop up the premise that man-made factors are driving climate change....You might know them as environmentalists, enviro-communists, eco-Marxists, neo-Communists or eco-fanatics. They all claim they want to save the world from global warming but their true agenda is to contribute to create a world government lead by the UN or in other ways increase the transfer of resources (redistribute resources) from the developed Western world to the third world.

He hates Social Security

Making Kids Worthless: Social Security’s Contribution to the Fertility Crisis
Many people nowadays find it hard to see why anyone would have children for the sake ofold-age security. ..... But in countries with large social security systems, people no longer have an old-age security motive for fertility, precisely because social security has made fertility economically unwise........The best solution is also the simplest: get the state out of the way.

He hates secularism

Infertility is killing off the secular world.......In the absence of religion human society sinks into depressive torpor. Secular society therefore is an oxymoron, for the death of religion leads quickly enough to the death of societyc itself.

He claims Republicans are on his side

Let us hope that the US (Democratic and Republican party) allows us, their European cultural and economical crown vassals, to liberate ourselves and deport the Muslims without them militarily intervening. We shouldn’t forget that we have many allies in the US including a sizable faction of the Republican Party. There are signals that might indicate that the US will not intervene militarily after we begin liberating ourselves in the coming decades. We must continue to work close with our US allies to prevent this from happening.

++++++++++++  Bonus Feature  ++++++++++++
Here's a condensed version you can use while arguing idiots on line:

Basically Ander's manifesto read exactly like Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism" except he calls liberals "cultural Marxists." Nearly every wingnut cliche is in his manifesto.  

He says "political correctness" has doomed western civilization, but he also says Christian should take up arms against anyone that insults their religion. So he advocates his own ruthless violent version of PC that involves killing anyone who disagrees, and that also sounds like like a radical Islamist. Criticize his movement, then his people have the right to exterminate you. How's that for "political correctness," Christian terrorist style.

He's also drinking from the same well as TheBlaze and WorldNetDaily, focused on the global oppression of Christianity, and how we need to get out there and stomp those other countries flat.  

He says he's not a Nazi, just a white separatist who want to kill half the Christians in the EU (the liberals), 75% of European Jews, and 50% of the Israeli Jews. He says he's not a racist because he wants to kill ALL liberals, not just brown ones.  Although he a Zionist who praises Isreal constantly, he still wants to kill most Jews and half of Isreal. This is on page 1163 of his manifesto.

"..................So let us fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists. Conservative Jews were loyal to Europe and should have been rewarded. Instead, (Hitler) just targeted them all… So, are the current Jews in Europe and US disloyal? The multiculturalist (nation-wrecking) Jews ARE while the conservative Jews ARE NOT. Aprox. 75% of European/US Jews support multiculturalism while aprox. 50% of Israeli Jews does the same. This shows very clearly that we must embrace the remaining loyal Jews as brothers rather than repeating the mistake of the NSDAP........"

Mister not-a-racist wants to reruit fighters for his racial civil war by advocating something nicer sounding - germanic/Nordic homelands where Europeans can resist Muslim colonization. It is because liberals would scoff at this idea that he says liberals are the real genocidal Nazi for failing to resist white demographic extinction. His solution is pre-emptive civil war against white liberals.

Got that? The anti-Nazis are the people preaching Nordic enclaves, genocide, and pre-emptive war. The "real Nazis" are the people who are OK with peaceful coexistence. Sounds like Glenn Beck to me!

Originally posted to bernardpliers on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 08:44 AM PDT.

Also republished by July 22nd.

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      Also - update in DowneastDem's diary on Rec list includes this in manifesto...

      Let us hope that the US (Democratic and Republican party) allows us, their European cultural and economical crown vassals, to liberate ourselves and deport the Muslims without them militarily intervening.

      We shouldn’t forget that we have many allies in the US including a sizable faction of the Republican Party.

      There are signals that might indicate that the US will not intervene militarily after we begin liberating ourselves in the coming decades. We must continue to work close with our US allies to prevent this from happening.

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      "Tax cuts for the wealthy create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

      by MartyM on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 08:59:51 AM PDT

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      •  We need to pull out the 'N' word again, (14+ / 0-)

        because apparently we're spending a lot of time (word) space avoiding a simple word.

        This is more than racism. It is more than conservatism.  There are many in the Tea Party who had no problem with Bush's wars, either with the concept of dominating resources or the equally-attractive idea of humiliating the Middle East. Note they called for nuking Iran,and almost got it with John McCain and John Bolton.

        Nationalism is not simply opposed to people of Asian descent (in this case, Muslims from West Asia) it is also opposed to the existence of liberalism and especially socialism.  This was a political attack on the Labour Party, through a wildly successful extermination of Youth Worker's Party members, and an attempted assassination of Prime Minister Stoltenberg.  Nationalism is opposed to not only people of different ethnicities, but also people of different religions. It is to that extent that Christianity concerns nationalists in European populations.  It's a claim to heritage (under attack).

        There are nationalists in the US, and long have been. And there are nationalist strains in Germany, in Russia, and in Norway. All are violently dangerous.  Even in France, nationalist attitudes are responsible for systematic oppression of Algerian and other Muslim-French immigrants and first generation French, and the expulsion of Roma. The Le Pen family has been very successful in amplifying nationalist concerns, and Sarkozy, a plutocrat, is now clearly tapping at least some of that base.

        In the US, what was destroyed through the unexpected chain of events in WWII has resurfaced. We were never destined to not become fascist: it happened because we turned against Hitler when the American right didn't want to, and the bi-partisan isolationists, including socialists, were outsmarted by Roosevelt.

        I have diaried European nationalism before. I have warned about American nationalism in diaries past. Read Cormac McCarthy if you want to know what is carried in the blood of Yankees.

        A reminder on grammar: even Shakespeare used "more better."

        by Nulwee on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:47:02 AM PDT

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        •  Nazism is "national" (i. e. in the (0+ / 0-)

          European or 'western' context of the word, race-based) socialism (albeit with mostly the wealthy and the militarists benefiting from any re-distribution of power in, and influence over the government).

          Not sure about this:

          In the US, what was destroyed through the unexpected chain of events in WWII has resurfaced. We were never destined to not become fascist: it happened because we turned against Hitler when the American right didn't want to, and the bi-partisan isolationists, including socialists, were outsmarted by Roosevelt.

          But I think it should be noted that a great number of Americans wanted a kind of Mussolini to take over the US, at least temporarily (no one likes to chance a permanent dictator) during the crisis times of the early 1930s (this is before Hitler showed how much a better icon there could be). Once Roosevelt, after he was elected, all but met this desire, and no sooner than the country was saved from the seemingly real danger of a revolution, did the US plutocracy start to attack him as a dictator.

          H'mm. I'm not terribly into this, anymore.

          by Knarfc on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:54:23 PM PDT

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    •  There is no daylight (4+ / 0-)
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      between the desires of radical Muslims and radical Christians, only a few of the minor details vary.

      He sounds just like a radical Islamist ranting about cartoons of the prophet.
      The American version of this guy is the quintessential member of the American Taliban.  So this guy is ostensibly a member of the Norway Taliban.

      The only difference between his ideology, American right-winger's ideology and the Afghanistan Taliban's ideology is the specific religion they follow.  They are all militant religious extremists and moral scolds that seek to impose their religious/political beliefs onto everyone else through whatever means necessary including violence, murder and terrorism.

      The Oslo shooter is no better than the 9/11 terrorists and his apologists, including American intellectuals, are no better than al Qaeda apologists.  His ideology and the ideology of his extremist right-wing American brethren is no better than the ideology of Osama bin Laden.

      Arrrr, the laws of science be a harsh mistress. -Bender B. Rodriguez

      by democracy inaction on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:53:31 AM PDT

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    •  Tipped, Recced and linked to (2+ / 0-)
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      my current diary about Tim Phillips speaking at a related event.

      Your information compliments it well.

      Republicans HATE America. Deal with it. / It's the PLUTONOMY, Stupid!

      by xxdr zombiexx on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:38:09 AM PDT

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  •  Aha! I knew it. (17+ / 0-)
    He divides Jews into the good Jews and the Jews who are part of the liberal movement. His good Jews live in Israel, but he says  the bad Jews are part of the race mixing liberals, who need to be exterminated.

    At a fundamentalist message board where I lurk frequently, there are occasional references to the people who "say they are Jews but do lie. They are the synagogue of Satan." (Revelation 3:9) The last time I saw it was in reference to Rabbis supporting construction of Cordoba House ("Ground Zero Mosque"). So yeah. That idea is getting around.

    Scary.

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    by Kimball Cross on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 08:58:05 AM PDT

    •  This is how Christian anti-Semites (13+ / 0-)

      have always dealt with this issue. Because their religion is so heavily indebted to Judaism, they can't state that all Jews are evil and have always been so. Instead, they have a Platonic ideal of Biblical Jews which contrasts with actual Jews who are impostors and probably not even descended from the original Jews. You see this argument quite often in genetic forums.

      If the fall of the house of Murdoch is a tragedy, it is the feel-good tragedy of the century-James Wolcot

      by beltane on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 09:10:11 AM PDT

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      •  The ahistorical fantasies of Christian Identity (2+ / 0-)
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        The Christian Identity Movement believes (or at least pretends to believe) the real Hebrews of The Old Testament are today the British Celts and Anglo-Saxons.  The Jews of today are supposedly just poseurs descended from central Asian Khazars.  Funny how two British groups that didn't even encounter each other until after the fall of the Roman Empire are credited with all that pre-Roman history in western Asia. I bet their missionaries back off in anger if their potential convert begins to laugh at the implausibility.  CIM owned at least one radio station in Idaho.

    •  Oh, yes. (0+ / 0-)

      I have been called a bad, bad Jew many times over by those people.

      Will work for food
      Will die for oil
      Will kill for power and to us the spoils
      The billionaires get to pay less tax
      The working poor get to fall through the cracks
      -James McMurty

      -9.75/-8.26

      by SwedishJewfish on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 01:50:18 PM PDT

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      •  Bad Jew! Bad! (2+ / 0-)
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        Like that?

        There's about 80 pages of how he supports Israel with all his heart, then he slips in that bit about how all the non-Zionist Jews need to be killed, including half of Israel.

        It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

        by bernardpliers on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 12:04:58 AM PDT

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    •  scary thing about this (3+ / 0-)
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      ok, another scary thing about this...I am forced to interact on a regular basis with a man who has these types of views - deeply racist, gun-obsessed, lacks empathy, teabegger all the way.

      But on his ranting web site, which I looked up one day to know what I am dealing with, he actually jumps through several hoops to explain how much he loves "the Jews" and Israel but that American Jews do not tow the line the way he would like. he's of Christian background.

      I think it is very common now for this sort of backflipping to go on. The hatred is still there, but they think they have a get out of jail free card if they say certain things.

  •  Thanks (2+ / 0-)
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    When these tragedies take place, I really try hard to not follow them closely at all.  

    Thanks for being willing to read that vile stuff.

    "Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent."

    by otto on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 08:58:23 AM PDT

  •  Tipped and Recc'd (26+ / 0-)

    We cannot allow ourselves to fall into the habit of claiming this person was merely mentally ill. The mass murder of liberals is the logical outcome of right-wing philosophy. Genocide is a feature, not a bug, in the behavior patterns of all right-wing humans. The right-wing's weak-tea condemnations of this attack (when they bother to condemn it at all) are further evidence of the nature of their thinking.

    If the fall of the house of Murdoch is a tragedy, it is the feel-good tragedy of the century-James Wolcot

    by beltane on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 08:59:51 AM PDT

    •  The victors get the praise, the disgraced (2+ / 0-)
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      get the cold shoulder, sums up right-wing thinking. It's all about dominance and power. I'll leave the sexual implications to others.

      A reminder on grammar: even Shakespeare used "more better."

      by Nulwee on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:38:03 AM PDT

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    •  Agreed... (3+ / 0-)
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      This person is far from mentally ill. He is articulate, good looking, comes across as quite frankly congenial in his writing with little smiley faces and everything. His writing does not come across as hateful or angry. He has done a good job of portraying himself as a valient knight, a patriot, a martyr for a greater cause- right down to the staged photos he released of himself, and his statement about how it was an "atrocious but necessary" act. He will become a sympathetic figure to many right wingers. And this is EXACTLY what makes him so dangerous.

      Will work for food
      Will die for oil
      Will kill for power and to us the spoils
      The billionaires get to pay less tax
      The working poor get to fall through the cracks
      -James McMurty

      -9.75/-8.26

      by SwedishJewfish on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 01:56:41 PM PDT

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  •  The thing that surprises me is that all of the (21+ / 0-)

    sudden people are paying attention to this; it took a tragedy of this magnitude.

    In previous writings I've pointed out that there is a nascent neo-fascist regime being born in the U.S., and I have pointed out that the Tea Party movement is part of it.

    The key disadvantage for sane people (i.e.. the progressives) is that they don't seem to understand that these lunatics (i.e., hard-right movement) have a long-term (very focused) agenda, and they are following it methodologically and in a very disciplined way.

    •  I agree. I have felt since the election of Obama (7+ / 0-)

      that they have come out of the closet.  They are scary and intent on fulfilling their violent ideals.  I see it in comments on blogs I read every day.  That the media does not point this out and call them out is a true disservice to this country.  

      I am the fellow citizen of every being that thinks; my country is Truth. ~Alphonse de Lamartine, "Marseillaise of Peace," 1841

      by notdarkyet on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 09:46:38 AM PDT

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      •  ANYONE who knew a white racist conservative (2+ / 0-)
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        would have to have been deaf, dumb, and blind not to have seen this coming . . . the election of a black man to the office of president turned their world upside down and they would and will do ANYTHING to put it right side up .... including not raising the debt ceiling and sinking the whole ship

        that fact that Obama has a white mother makes it even worse for these people who believe that "half breads" especially when one half is white are stupid as hell, having a lower intelligence because of being mixed race

        but then saying that a mixed race child who is really smart got that from their white side . . . but in the next breath again repeat that they are stupid because of being mixed race

        Bumper sticker seen on I-95; "Stop Socialism" my response: "Don't like socialism? GET OFF the Interstate highway!"

        by Clytemnestra on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:57:01 AM PDT

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    •  The words of one of the youth are best (8+ / 0-)

      One of the young people who survived the ninety minute reign of violence on the Island spoke of the profound cowardice of the shooter, to come heavily armed to an island occupied only by young people who had no weapons and to systematically track them down and shoot them like dogs.

      Cowardice.

      To set off a massive bomb in the center of Oslo?  Cowardice.  To attack unarmed teenagers?  Cowardice.  If this is how the man was hoping to motivate others to follow his example...  he has set a poor example.  

      What in the end is the difference between what he did and terrorists trying to recreate a new Caliphate, to turn back time and society in the Middle East?  All are the actions of cowards whose beliefs have been marginalized.  The shooter is said to be part of a group who seek to revive the Knights Templar?  Seriously?  How neo-Medieval of him.

  •  when reading the following (11+ / 0-)
    Although liberals are "the real nazis," Anders is merely protecting the "Nordic race" and "Germanic tribes" which are headed to extinction over the next 50 years because of race mixing (and liberal sarcasm).  Liberals are "the real Nazis" because they are failing to prevent tthese demographic changes, so exterminating the liberal fascist is merely self defense.

    I was reminded of Brian Kilmeade's comment about race purity on Fox a couple of years back.  Kind of gets to the heart of what many of these right-wingers are all about.

  •  I think it was pretty clear. (26+ / 0-)

    The Liberal or Labor Party of Norway had a retreat for the future leaders of the Labor Party. These are the teenagers he killed. He was a conservative killing the future leaders of the Liberal Party in Norway.

    It's scary to contemplate.

    Dark energy does exist and it's increasingly driving our universe apart. Well, that explains Republicans.

    by Village expects idiot home soon on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 09:06:37 AM PDT

    •  If Adkisson had the means (2+ / 0-)
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      he would have shot 100 people also.

      On July 27, 2008, a politically motivated fatal shooting took place at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, United States. Motivated by a desire to kill liberals and Democrats, gunman Jim David Adkisson fired a shotgun at members of the congregation during a youth performance of a musical, killing two people and wounding seven others.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      "Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -Benjamin Franklin

      by hotdamn on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 03:54:15 PM PDT

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  •  He explicitly seeks to distance himself (14+ / 0-)

    from Nazism, despite his ideologies aligning very neatly with Nazism, and denies he's racist --

    Due to the fact that I have been exposed to decades of multicultural indoctrination I feel a need to emphasise that I am not in fact a racist and never have been.

    -- but attributing his claimed "non-racism" to indoctrination is basically saying "The Gubmint won't let me hate brown folks like I want to."

    He's trying to "reframe", isn't he.  He wants this perceived "movement" among fellow Christian conservative revolutionaries to shed the unpleasant old connotations of labels like "Nazi" and "racist".  It's fine to BE racist, and to BE a Nazi, just not to admit to those labels, because that's bad publicity.

    •  "Not Racist"-Kill ALL Liberals Not Just Brown Ones (4+ / 0-)
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      Thanks for prompting that thought.

      It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

      by bernardpliers on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 09:19:00 AM PDT

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    •  people like Anders draw a fine line (3+ / 0-)
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      between white nationalism and white supremacy.  In their minds, there really is nothing racist about the creation and defense of "white homelands", because they believe that every other people has a legal right and a moral duty to establish a homeland where a people can fully realize itself.  They believe that a double standard is laid against whites, in that Europe and North America are believed to belong to everyone and must not only admit everyone who wants to come, but accomodate them for the explicit purpose of becoming less "white" in fact and spirit.

      Many of them will condemn white supremacy with a straight face because they believe that to do so is not only imprudent and ultimately self-defeating, but also as attacking the legitimacy of the racial nationalist impulse that they base their entire philosophy on.

      Expecting better is NOT "white privilege"

      by Visceral on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:33:01 AM PDT

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    •  He's reserving the Nazi label for (1+ / 0-)
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      liberals.

      Why? Nazis are bad people. That's also due to decades of multicultural indoctrinaton. So he sees a need to sidestep the problem and ascribe to others, his fears and hatreds. And remember, Hitler wasn't such a bad guy after all. He just got a bit carried away on certain topics (how often have I heard that sentiment?).

      Haven't we seen this pattern in the GOP in this country often enough: ascribing to others the actions they engage in?

      Anyway, this guy isn't (depite some confusion in my other comment) the personification of a repeat of Hitler. He's justt one more indicator to the times. What he is reminicent of, is the hundreds of thugs and gangs who in the 1920s and early 1930s did very similar acts in Germany, Austria, France, Spain, I think to some extent in Hungary, Poland, and elsewhere in East Central Europe.

      H'mm. I'm not terribly into this, anymore.

      by Knarfc on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:11:05 PM PDT

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  •  It is so twisted that even reading your (2+ / 0-)
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    summary gives me a headache and nauseous stomach. Times like this I wonder how long until we see real brownshirts emerge in force somewhere.

    If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am not for others, what am I? And if not now, when? Rabbi Hillel

    by AndyT on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 09:44:45 AM PDT

  •  There is no such thing as a "Liberal Fascist" (3+ / 0-)
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    Fascism, as defined by Mussolini, is the marrying of government and corporate power - where corporations run everything.
    And if you look at America today, we are certainly on the road to pure fascism, with the right wing and Tea Partiers calling for the end of government as we know it, for privatization of everything, the Koch Brothers and ALEC attempting to turn states into corporate run entities, etc.
    Breivick is the face of conservatism today. He IS what the right is all about, but won't dare admit it.
    As pointed out by John Dean's "Conservatives Without Conscience", they are all about fear - fearing everything - of gays, Jews, women, liberals, blacks, immigrants, etc.
    Dean's "double highs" are those who are the fear mongers, like Bush and Cheney, who take that fear and foment it, and use it to gain power over the people. And those people, like lemmings, follow right along because they dont' know how to do anything else but be afraid.
    I fear for country now, more than ever. Because the groundwork laid by Bush/Cheney (and, yes, Fox) has brought us to where we are today.
    I pray that we can take our country back. But I fear Americans are both too lazy and disinterested in anything but the shiny keys.

    If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything. - Mark Twain

    by MA Liberal on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:08:06 AM PDT

    •  That's not what Mussolini meant (2+ / 0-)
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      The corporate power he was talking about was not US-style corporations.  Fascist Italy was second only to the USSR in number of nationalized industries.  "Corporate power" in ideological terms was the power of the historical Italian nation made corporeal.  In practical terms it was the organization of Italian society into organizations that represented various aspects of the society.  Wikipedia has a decent summary.

      I don't want to nickpick about this.  But as this diary points out very well, the defining characteristic of fascism was not economics (as fascist countries were often enthusiastic adopters of Keynesian economic policies), but nationalism.  

      The Liberal Fascism argument actually goes back to the 1930s, when the German ordoliberals insisted that Keynsianism led inevitably to fascism, and the only way to avoid that was through free market reforms.  They were wrong; it's not government intervention in the economy that leads to fascism.  But to argue that it's a lack of government intervention is an equally losing argument.

      To believe that markets determine value is to believe that milk comes from plastic bottles. Bromley (1985)

      by sneakers563 on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:24:58 AM PDT

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      •  FDR prevented American fascism in the 1930s (1+ / 0-)
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        by reducing unemployment through Keynesian methods.

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        by Kimball Cross on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 05:06:30 PM PDT

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        •  And Hoover fostered American fascism before him (2+ / 0-)
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          By doing nothing so that the masses grew more restless, so that the capitalists showed their true colors and whispered about the need for a strongman.

          If liberal democratic government doesn't intervene and a power vacuum arises, it will be filled by an institution hungry for power.

        •  Before FDR prevented any fascism in (1+ / 0-)
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          America he prevented what was widely feared, that of a communist type revolution, by adopting many of the methods of the early fascists: domination of the legislative branch, handing over to big business the role of self regulation of prices and supplies in the form of the NRA codes, nationalist economic policies of autarky through tariff controls and avoiding commitments to international markets and free trade, use of the military to attempt to delivery the mails in order to bust the corrupt private airline operated contractors. This is how FDR prevented a complete collapse of the US economic, and political system. Contradictory? Yes, but the common thread was a massive increase in executive power and authority and in the size and purview of the federal government, without the change in the form of constitution of the goverment.

          One thng FDR did not do was immediately embark upon an expensive rearmaments program.

          H'mm. I'm not terribly into this, anymore.

          by Knarfc on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:32:45 PM PDT

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    •  Bad "Quote" That Is Probably A Fake (0+ / 0-)

      Nobody has ever really found that line in Mussonlini's writings, but wingnuts like to use it when they are playing the "everyone else but me is a fascist" game.

      I'm pretty sure you find that quoe used by the LaRouchies so they can draw a Hitler mustache on Obama.

      It is a line all too easily used by Nazi apologists to say if everyone is a Fascist, then don't call me a Fascist,

      It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

      by bernardpliers on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:33:42 AM PDT

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      •  rejection of class conflict in favor of unity (0+ / 0-)

        Corporatism is the rejection of class conflict in favor of the argument that the social classes are basically a division of labor, all of which are necessary for the optimum functioning of society for the benefit of everyone.  Think of it as the theory of competitive advantage applied to individual people: everyone does what they're best at, be it farming, manufacturing, soldiering, engineering, or politics, and that a classless society where everyone was a peasant would simply waste most people's talents and hold all of society back.

        Expecting better is NOT "white privilege"

        by Visceral on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:50:31 AM PDT

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        •  I Am Not Persuaded (0+ / 0-)

          Communism wanted a classless society where workers own the means of production.

          Fascist corporatism promised to protest the class structure, divided the country into citizens and "subjects" who had no rights, created new hereditary racial classes, and  ran on slave labor. Thus, Fascist corporatism was all about class.

          It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

          by bernardpliers on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:04:29 AM PDT

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          •  Mussolini & Hitler walked a tightrope (2+ / 0-)
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            The Italian and German peoples were mad as hell and would be easy pickings for bona fide Socialists and Communists, but the deeply conservative social and political establishments would never allow this.  Add the personal ambitions of both men, and corporatism was the obvious answer: address (or cover up) the grievances of the working class without displacing the plutocrats by emphasizing the state over the economy.  The fascist state would become the champion of the nation - the people - and would ensure that the economy worked for the benefit of everyone rather than just the owners.  It wouldn't hurt that people would now look to the state for [vicarious] fulfillment.  It also satisfied the nationalists' concerns that Italy and Germany should not fall under the control of Moscow and an ideology that in many quarters was viewed as fundamentally foreign.

            Expecting better is NOT "white privilege"

            by Visceral on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:32:05 AM PDT

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            •  Yes. Hence..."national"..."socialism" (0+ / 0-)

              as opposed to international...communism.

              Socialism is not, per se, a left only doctrine. Merely it's the democratic variety of socialism we are most familiar with, post WWII, with tends to be thought of as left leaning, and often is.

              However, there is a "Christian" socialism, in the form of governments run by Christian Democratic Parties, notably in Italy and West Germany, post WWII, which tends to be more a center right type.

              H'mm. I'm not terribly into this, anymore.

              by Knarfc on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 12:04:06 AM PDT

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              •  By 1933 Socialists Were Being Sent To The Camps (1+ / 0-)
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                First they came for the union members....

                Hitler promised a war on socialism in Mein Kampf (1929).

                Also using your opponents word is classic dialectics ("Clean Skies Initiative").

                It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

                by bernardpliers on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 12:10:04 AM PDT

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                •  socialism for me but not for thee (1+ / 0-)
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                  Think of national socialism as an extension of Bismarck's welfare state, which was created for the purpose of heading off a real socialist revolution.  The state assumed responsibility for the welfare of German workers while allowing the private sector to go on as it had before. Orthodox internationalist socialism was very much a threat to the fundamentally nationalist Nazi project, but at the same time the Nazis had many programs oriented towards improving the lot of the average German, especially before the war started.  I know it sounds confused or cynical, but Lenin would have argued that it was the biggest threat to the realization of Marx's dream: the capitalists buying off the proletariat with everything they asked for while holding onto ownership and thus true power.

                  Hitler's biggest rival in the early days was Ernst Rohm, the original leader of the brown-shirted stormtroopers.  Rohm pretty much explicitly advocated the disestablishment of capitalism in favor of an populist anarchy welded together by the organic bonds of the Volk - reminiscent IMO of what Marx envisioned as the final victory of communism.  Rohm and his followers were killed or marginalized because the German military and industrial establishment viewed him as a real threat - his being gay was just a convenient excuse - whereas they saw Hitler as someone who would ultimately protect their position in German society.

                  Expecting better is NOT "white privilege"

                  by Visceral on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 09:54:20 AM PDT

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                  •  You Need To Tweak Your Chronology (0+ / 0-)
                    Orthodox internationalist socialism was very much a threat to the fundamentally nationalist Nazi project, but at the same time the Nazis had many programs oriented towards improving the lot of the average German, especially before the war started.

                    (Not counting the promises they broke)

                    Once the enabling Act passed in March 1933, it basically became illegal to be unemployed. If you got fired, you might do a turn in a forced labor camp.

                    It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

                    by bernardpliers on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 10:02:42 AM PDT

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  •  When you have to (5+ / 0-)

    repeatedly deny that you're a Nazi, you just might be a Nazi.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:14:43 AM PDT

  •  "Cultural Marxism." (6+ / 0-)

    He didn't make that up. Via Dave Niewert we see another sick wingnut using the exact same term:

    I knew Neiwert was going to be the go to guy on this.

    I was Rambo in the disco/ I was shootin' to the beat/ When they burned me in effigy My vacation was complete. Neil Young

    by Mike S on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:21:48 AM PDT

  •  Uh-oh. (1+ / 0-)
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    Fasten your seat belts --it's going to be a bumpy century.

    I am waiting in my car, I am waiting in this bar, I am waiting on your essence. - Lucinda Williams

    by Bensdad on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:34:02 AM PDT

    •  Balloon Juice (3+ / 0-)
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      is reporting that a Norwegian tabloid (VG Nett) is claiming the shooter plagiarized parts of the Unabomber's manifesto:

      He has replaced the concepts, so it should fit better into his own ideology. For example, switching out the word “Leftism” (left orientation) with the words “Multiculturalism” and “Cultural Marxism” (Multiculturalism and cultural Marxism)

      More here

      "Canada is a Northern European welfare state in the worst sense of the term, and very proud of it" Stephen Harper, Prime Minister of Canada, part time vampire

      by marigold on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:42:01 AM PDT

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  •  He is a silly dipshit, pls don't elevate sick folk (3+ / 0-)

    This is a sick and demented individual.  His words all come with that caveat.  

    Perhaps you offer too much cover for him by treating him as anything other than a sick person?

    Just sayin'!

    •  It's Not Just A Prank Call (2+ / 0-)
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      It's coming from inside the house

      It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

      by bernardpliers on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:30:57 AM PDT

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    •  He's not as crazy as many elected GOP leaders (1+ / 0-)
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      Bachmann is a lying idiot next to him, and she's leading the GOP presidential bidding war to greater extremism.  She makes up facts, he mostly just draws the most monstrous conclusions from facts.

      But he has to be smart because much of his writing is about organizing a genuine right-wing grassroots movement, while our elected psychos have Koch and ALEC write all their material and false evidence for them.  Poor America.

  •  Why does this... (4+ / 0-)
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    ..sound so familiar?

    First of all, ordinary citizens should arm themselves immediately since crime and violence is spreading fast throughout the Western world.

    Oh, I remember now...

    ..it's because a current presidental candidate in the United States said virtually the same damn thing...

    http://blogs.citypages.com/...

    When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in excess body fat and carrying a misspelled sign.

    by wyvern on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:34:44 AM PDT

  •  He doesn't mention Glenn Beck? (0+ / 0-)

    Given how much of Beck's rhetoric he embraces, I am quite surprised.

    We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

    by CatM on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:39:17 AM PDT

    •  No Glenn Beck, Jonah Goldberg, George Soros (4+ / 0-)
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      He's more the European militant anti-Islam crowd which is more openly white supremacist than the American pundits.

      My purpose in writing the diary is cut through the fog of their Orwellian word games and point out the fundemental similarities.

      It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

      by bernardpliers on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 12:04:38 PM PDT

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  •  It's actually horrifyingly magnificent (4+ / 0-)
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    that a mass murdering terrorist like this "man" has used his own words to fuse the ideology, sentiments, and politics of the current American Republican party and the rightwing to his deed.

    From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

    by satrap on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:44:43 AM PDT

  •  lets see I'm white, liberal, married to someone of (2+ / 0-)
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    another race, had children by him and he's Muslim--- I've hit the jackpot and must be exterminated, several times.

    He sounds like my crazy, religious, right wing, racist uncle (who was murdered by his own son a few months ago)
    except my uncle never said a word about my husband and kids to me .... none of that side of the family has -- it's always the rest of the brown skins, especially the Muslims.

    These people always concerned me and with his attack he's getting what he wants, millions of people reading his manifesto . . . Hitler could only have dreamed of reaching so many people so fast.

    Yes I am a traitor to my race and my culture . . . not news really .... the skin heads of Denver already informed me of this in the late 1980s

    What scares me is that we've already danced to this tune (Europe and the US)  . . . will we recognize it now, before it's too late and get off the dance floor . . . or will the "unthinkable" that has happened many times in the last 100 years, happen again.

    BTW . . . if we are all to go back to our own places of origin (sounds rather messianic doesn't it) build a fence around it and lock the gate so we all stay put (gawd I'm flashing back to my uncle and his rant about how the blacks should all be deported back to Africa) . . . I wonder where that will be, because frankly my white family on my Dad's side DOES NOT KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM

    They were Mennonites and wondered all over, settling, lastly in the Ukraine because we were promised land to farm for 100 years by Tsarina Katherine ... only to be moved out before the time was up by her son . . . we then came here.

    Bumper sticker seen on I-95; "Stop Socialism" my response: "Don't like socialism? GET OFF the Interstate highway!"

    by Clytemnestra on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:50:07 AM PDT

  •  Now take a long, hot, relaxing bath. (0+ / 0-)

    You deserve it

    Evolution IS Intelligent Design!

    by msirt on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 12:15:18 PM PDT

  •  Amazing exercise in twisting the truth (3+ / 0-)
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    Breivik accuses the political majority of being Nazis because they only create reservations for indigenous Australians and Americans and not for Europeans.  Of course the reservations were created to help the colonizers take the best land, not for the colonized.  Anyone who knows about the standard of living on the rez for American Indians would find Breivik's whining about no Euro reservations ridiculous.  Let him go live at Pine Ridge, SD for a couple years.

  •  When will people EVER get it right? (7+ / 0-)

    Fascism is a right-wing ideology and is completely incompatible with Leftist and Progressive thought!

    You need only read the Wikipedia definition of what Fascism is (read as much as you can stomach) to see that men and women who exist to the left of center politically would have nothing to do with Fascism.

    It is a right-wing ideology, dammit!!!

    Sorry for the rant, but it is in response to this paragraph in the diary (and I'm not saying that the diarist has presented anything wrong) which describes some of the beliefs of the Norwegian Nutjob:

    Much of his manifesto is right out of Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism" which was of course elaborated on by Glenn Beck.  He urges his followers to exterminate what Goldberg called the "Liberal Fascists," which he calls "cultural Marxists." But he spends hundreds of pages saying that leftists are "the real" Nazis," which is the drum the Beck has been banging for years. He urges a civil war that will exterminate the liberal half of the population (the "traitors") to save the country from race mixing and "political correctness."

    Liberalism and Fascism are incompatible belief systems.  Period.  End of sentence.  Full stop.

    Celtic Merlin
    Carlinist

    Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

    by Celtic Merlin on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 12:52:11 PM PDT

    •  Key Differences Of Fascism And Communism (3+ / 0-)
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      Fascism - Condemns class warfare, uses slavery
      Communism - Class struggle, workers own means of production

      Fascism - Coexists or uses religion
      Communism - Explicitly atheist

      Fascism - Explicitly racist
      Communism - Not racist, multicultural

      Fascism - Human nature is fixed by the blood and race
      Communism - Human nature is plastic, molded by the state,  genetics are Lamarkian.

      Fascism - Philosophical "spiritual" movement, blood, spirit.
      Communism - Pseudo-scientific, philosophical materialism, reductionist.

      Fascism - Hegelian dialectics
      Communism - Dialectic materialism

      It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

      by bernardpliers on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 01:08:12 PM PDT

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      •  Hell, man, I wouldn't even go so far as using. . . (2+ / 0-)
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        . . . so far as using Communism as a comparative.  Just compare Fascism to general Left-leaning values.

        Still, your comparison is stark, ain't it?

        Yet the right continues to try to hang Fascism on us.

        Celtic Merlin
        Carlinist

        Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

        by Celtic Merlin on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 01:23:19 PM PDT

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      •  You falsely attribute soviet stuff to communism (3+ / 0-)
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        in general.  There are different flavors of communism.  The attributes you used were narrowly only associated with the Soviet Union's variant.  (For example, Soviet communism was explicitly atheist.  But there have existed religious communes.  It's not necessary for it to be atheistic.  Similarly Soviet Communism used Lamark's weird incorrect version of evolution, but that's not a necessary aspect of communism in general either.

        To make an analogy, it's as if you did a study of Benito Mussolini and concluded from that study that speaking Italian is a feature of fascism.

        •  If We Stick To Governments And Ignore Communes (0+ / 0-)

          The Soviet system seems to have been fairly standard, if only because they exported it so aggressively.

          It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

          by bernardpliers on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:54:14 PM PDT

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      •  In what way was Hegelian dialectics central (1+ / 0-)
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        to European fascist thought?

        Human reason is beautiful and invincible --Milosz, Incantation

        by juancito on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 04:34:25 PM PDT

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        •  I Didn't Know That Would Be On The Final ! (0+ / 0-)

          Now I have to crack the books! I'll get back to you.......

          It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

          by bernardpliers on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 05:49:38 PM PDT

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        •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

          Here's a bit from Karl Popper

          Marx, in opposition to Hegel, contended that the clue thwart history, even to the history of ideas, is to be found in the developmentof the relations between man and his natural environment, material world; that is say, in his economic life, and not in his spiritual life.

          He describes Hegel as a Platonist who emphasized national "spirit" and the supremacy of the state. In Popper's opinion, Hegel was basically a hired gun, used to counteract the revolutionary fever that spread across Europe after the French Revolution. Germans wanted a constitution, and Hegel "proved" that a nationalistic monarchy was far better. He was essentially a neocon. This required dialectics of the sort that is most actively seen in the right wing today. Anders constant Orwellian language and projection is dialectic.

          Someone will no doubt say I'm wrong, but that's what i've got off the top of my head.

          It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

          by bernardpliers on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:47:42 PM PDT

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          •  you know that marx was a Young Hegelian? (0+ / 0-)

            It's a leap from Hegel as a conservative and monarchist to fascism, is all...

            Human reason is beautiful and invincible --Milosz, Incantation

            by juancito on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 08:32:59 AM PDT

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            •  Then Marx Rebelled Against It Hegelianism (0+ / 0-)

              I mean being a Hegelian would have been more or less compulsory for a young Marx.  But being a Continental philosopher meant coming up with your own version of Dialectics.   (God, give some corny American Logical Positivism!)

              It's a leap from Hegel as a conservative and monarchist to fascism, is all...

              Not really, remember young Hitler was absolutely a monarchist, who would eventually be at war with the parliamentary ideals of the Social Democrats.  

              It's said Hitler's most sacred possession was an oil painting of Frederick the Great, which accompanied him for years.

              It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

              by bernardpliers on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 08:42:57 AM PDT

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    •  All Men Are Created Equal (1+ / 0-)
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      Communists believe that, Fascists don't.

      But America's dominant Right-Wing ideology still can't talk coherently about equality, so it refuses to talk about it at all, handing it all over to an infallible free market to adjudicate "impartially".  So instead it bloviates relentlessly about big govt, and then claims fascism and communist are the same because they're both about big govt.

    •  Yes, but Liberalism and Leftist (2+ / 0-)
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      Totalitarianism are also incompatible belief systems.

      They don't know that either. But they need an enemy so they have to pick from the closest of what is available.

      Close enough for idiot's work; I mean, works for idiots.

      H'mm. I'm not terribly into this, anymore.

      by Knarfc on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:38:06 PM PDT

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  •  Excellent diary bernard... (2+ / 0-)
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    Beck's rantings are hauntingly familiar to this guy's.  Also, Charles Manson's main motivation was to start a race war, just like Anders.

    "The United States will not be able to dictate the pace and scope of this change. Only the people of the region can do that. But we can make a difference." 3/28/11

    by BarackStarObama on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 01:06:31 PM PDT

  •  Not sure (0+ / 0-)

    why some feel a need to analyze his manifesto down to the granular level. First of all it has been demonstrated that the entire thing is largely cobbled together from other sources, word for word. Second of all his actions demonstrate his political ideology, such as it is, to be completely irrelevant.

    It is of interest that his anti-social views found a home among right wing eliminationist ideology. But the perpetrator himself has shown himself to be beyond all reason. Therefore, going over his reasoning with a fine tooth comb is surely a fool's errand.

  •  Cultural Marxism - hate mongering (0+ / 0-)

    Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

    by Just Bob on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 01:10:33 PM PDT

  •  As I posted previously it's AUTHORITARIANISM (5+ / 0-)
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    It's AUTHORITARIANISM and it's an instinct. It's in their genetics. They will always be authoritarian. And a fair amount are also sociopathic. And the authoritarianism drives massive levels of fear, while the sociopathy allows them to unemotionally inflict inconceivable carnage against others.

    From an evolutionary standpoint in primates, there is a correlation to intelligence and group size. Smarter primates tend to live in larger groups. (called Dunbar's number.) As human adaptation and tool making allowed their group sizes to increase, it's likely that smarter humans were better able to cope with a higher number of stable social relationships, and so they became more tolerant of others who they did not know. Humans with less intelligence and poorer adaptation and tool making would have less resources and would likely have lived in smaller groups, and because of their relative scarcity to larger groups, would be less tolerant of strangers, more protective of their resources, and more likely to steal or war for the resources of others. They likely also relied much more on an authoritarian tribal structure (where coordination was more important for survival and where thinking differently could diminish the ability of the tribe to acquire resources) and stricter adherence to habit (being less adaptable to changing conditions - which also readily explains conservatives who want to conserve the way things are as compared to progressives who are more comfortable with change and progress).

    Logically - it would follow that people who are more intelligent would have more intellectual curiosity, and are more interested in different points of view and new perspectives, and are also more likely to weigh empirical evidence against decrees of faith. They are fact based rather than faith based (faith not specifically referring to religion but to believing that which is counter to empirical evidence). More intelligent people with a less authoritarian predisposition would be far more likely to seek out and acquire knowledge about people who are different than them, and religious ideas that are different from what their parents taught them to believe before they were old enough to make their own conclusions about the world. This curiosity would result in less xenophobia and more tolerance (a liberal trait), and higher levels of agnosticism and atheism among more intelligent and progressive populations because they are also more likely to seek out and understand different religious beliefs, possibly concluding that they are all equally probable or improbable.

    Intellectual curiosity correlation with liberalism is likely why only 6% of scientists identify as Republican, and 55% identify as Democrats (2009 Pew Research study). Whereas the reverse is true of authoritarianism (as discussed by John Dean in "Conservatives Without Conscience) where authoritarians are far more likely to identify as Republican or conservative.

    I believe it all comes down to genetic lineage. Paleolithic intelligence leads to tribal size - leads to survival strategy mentality - now introduced to the modern world.

    The only solution is to realize that some 23% of the population is hardwired to prefer strong leaders to democracy, to be intolerant, xenophobic, fearful and therefore militant as a paleo-survival defense mechanism, and thus far more likely to act out in violence, and to adopt an ends-justify-the-means approach to ignoring all things moral, ethical, legal, empirical, or democratic. They are a cancerous remnant of the evolution of our species, and the saner heads must aggressively and constantly find ways of dividing and diminishing this group that constantly seek the darkness of totalitarian, authoritarian slavery - for that is where their overwhelming fears find refuge.

    There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why...
    I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? ~ Robert Kennedy

    by Reality Bites Back on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 01:48:05 PM PDT

    •  Not to mention it's an oxymoron (2+ / 0-)
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      Liberals want democracy....which is the opposite of authoritarianism.  They like bottom up government.

      Fascists fear democracy (all those icky people!) and are authoritarian to the nth degree.   They like top down rule.

      "I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." Richard Feynman

      by leema on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 01:55:50 PM PDT

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      •  True that - (2+ / 0-)
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        "democratic" is literally the antonym of "authoritarian"

        It should be the Democratic Party and the Authoritarian Party - cause that's pretty much what has 'evolved'.

        And low and behold, when everything is going to hell under the Republicans, there is still 20+ percent of the population who are hard-core Republicans to the point of publicly admitting to loving Dick Cheney and ilk - and who are they - the Authoritarians.

        There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why...
        I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? ~ Robert Kennedy

        by Reality Bites Back on Mon Jul 25, 2011 at 10:00:51 AM PDT

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  •  What spooks me (1+ / 0-)
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    about this is normally intelligent people defending Anders's skewed ideas.   What is even scarier is someone here deciding it's also a good idea to follow in his footsteps.

    Today's G.O.P.: Grand Old (Evil, Woman-Hating) Pricks

    by GenuineRisk on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 02:06:03 PM PDT

    •  I read some. I'm spooked too. Really, because (1+ / 0-)
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      I think that this guy had more native intelligence than your average right wing loon. Along with greater intelligence and imagination, came the greater delusions.

      I skimmed over a far amount of it, and my head hurts.

      This guy shares a lot: about his mother's herpes, her diminished mental capacity due to it (according to him), his sister's chlamydia and subsequent fertility problems.

      A lot of it is a terrorist how to guide. Just that much of it is pretty scary.

      A lot of it is the same simplistic cookbook crap to all of the world's ills. I think he suggested building a fence between Pakistan & India. Problem solved. There's lots of prescriptive crap out of that asshole's armchair. It's the kind of stuff you can imagine working out well if you're terribly uninformed, or a big fan of imposed solutions.

      It's one of those things where the more you see, the more troubled you become. But don't go looking for a lot of grammatical flaws and poor spelling. The guy wasn't an illiterate. Not a good way to spend any part of the weekend, that's for sure.

  •  Does your brain hurt very badly? (1+ / 0-)
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    Reading that tripe. He's not antisemitic, he just likes Adolph Hitler and thinks one day the Jews will as well.

    Let me clue you in on something, Mr. Breivik. I'm not Jewish, so I can't really speak for them, but my best guess is that the earth will be a cinder orbiting inside a red giant Sol, and the incinerated ashes of the Jewish people will still hate, loathe, despise, and reject Adolph Hitler and all his works.


    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 02:17:29 PM PDT

  •  Michael Moore in Norway: (0+ / 0-)

    You can skip to 5min 26secs for a look at Norway's penal system, in which Anders will be spending some time, though Norway's longest sentence is 21 years according to MM, or you can watch the whole video to drool at what an advanced civilization looks like.  Norway is rolling on oil though.

    “Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law." - Jesus

    by Jose Bidenio on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 02:23:11 PM PDT

  •  I'm just saddened (1+ / 0-)
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    that Norway doesn't have the Death Penalty.

    I'm generally against executions. I'm even against it for the man that murdered my sister. But I'd be happy to pull lever on this asshole because he deserves to die a painful death. The worse the better.

    The same people who nearly destroyed us before now want to finish the job. Will you let them?

    by draa on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 02:53:02 PM PDT

  •  You make a lot of great points: (1+ / 0-)
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    I guess nothing says "I am NOT a Fascist" like killing people who call you a "fascist."

    I'll make two points, just in case your brain has overdosed on irony:

    1) He sounds just like a radical Islamist ranting about cartoons of the prophet.

    2) Violence over someone disrespecting your religion seems like the very "political correctness" Anders claims has doomed civilization.

    It also reminds me of the 9/11 attackers ironic visits to American strip clubs.

    By the heavy strain of fervent religion running through this and most terrorist attacks is clearly evident and the reason religion terrifies and annoys me so very much.

    “Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law." - Jesus

    by Jose Bidenio on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 03:02:22 PM PDT

  •  I wonder if Jonah Goldberg (3+ / 0-)
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    will comment.  This guy is a HUGE fan of his, it sounds like.

  •  Just as an aside, (4+ / 0-)

    the revolting Pamela Geller is on the National Advisory Council of Jews for Sarah (Palin)

    http://jewsforsarah.com/...

    JewsForSarah is proud to have the dynamic Madame Geller as a member of our national Advisory Board. And don’t forget to visit her cutting-edge website, AtlasShrugs.com:

    Beware the Spinning Vase of Death!!!

    by AnnetteK on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 03:24:52 PM PDT

  •  Props to you (3+ / 0-)

    For going through all that rubbish.

    It's scary what goes through people's minds. Especially conservatives' minds.

  •  He plagiarized the unabomber... (2+ / 0-)
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    for a good chunk of his manifesto.

    Copied Una-bomb's Manifesto

  •  Y'all should also read... (2+ / 0-)
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    what Charles Johnson has to say about this manifesto.  Johnson probably knows these anti-Islam xenophobes better than anyone on this site.

  •  As said above (2+ / 0-)
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    There's no such thing as a "liberal fascist".  That crap usually comes from people who watch Faux News. I've taken on far right sheep republicans who will say "liberal fascist", and I would asked them where they got that, they would say Glenn beck.

    Fascism is a far right ideology.

    The murder just another conservative coward.

     

  •  not surprised he mentions the Tea Party (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm not surprised this guy was a fan of the teabaggers.

  •  I just want to add this guy (2+ / 0-)
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    confessed to the acts without even a threat of being sent to Guantanamo. No waterboarding, no sensory deprivation, no late night airline flights....

    This means (take your pick):

    1) Guantanamo is just for liberals and Moslems.

    2) Rightwingers are more open and honest (and brazen, and notorious) about their crusades.

    3) He expects that honesty is the best policy, and that he will be found not guilty, or at worst, he will be sentenced to Club Med.

    4) He's not that smart.

    5) Miranda applies in Norway and we haven't been told.

    6) He's a hatchet man for the Murdoch empire and he was told he won't get paid unless he does time.

    7) He felt terribly upstaged by the recent Anthony Weiner affair.

    Perhaps some combination of the above applies.

    H'mm. I'm not terribly into this, anymore.

    by Knarfc on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:15:54 PM PDT

  •  This guy is something else. Hitler 2.0. (1+ / 0-)
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    He might as well be campaigning:

    "Racists, monoculturalists, conservatives, indiginous peoples, 'persecuted' religious bigots, 'real' Europeans, humorless and serious parties of the world, unite!"

    All those without Aryan credentials need not apply; we will find a place for you in due time!

    H'mm. I'm not terribly into this, anymore.

    by Knarfc on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 10:36:26 PM PDT

  •  He Also Mentions Ayn Rand Twice (1+ / 0-)
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    nothing specific, but I thought I'd add that.

    It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

    by bernardpliers on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 11:20:37 PM PDT

  •  I'm reading "The psycopath Test (1+ / 0-)
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    bernardpliers

    by Jon Ronson right now (guy who wrote "Men who stare at goats") and this guy seems textbook psychopath.

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