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PhotobucketMore than three and a half years since the Great Recession began and twenty-five months after it ended—according to the arbiters of such matters—the United States is still afflicted by all the chronic problems it faced before the acute crisis struck, including wage stagnation and offshoring of jobs as well as still-growing inequalities of income and wealth. On the one hand, government intervention saved the domestic car industry and hundreds of thousands of jobs that would have been otherwise lost. On the other hand, new workers in that industry are being hired at far lower rates and receive far lower benefits than their predecessors.

In February, the National Employment Law Project found a striking imbalance between where the recession’s job losses occurred, and where the growth in the so-called recovery was concentrated. High-income jobs constituted 40 percent of what was lost during the recession but only 14 percent of what had been regained since the recession officially ended. Forty-nine percent of job growth between July 2009 and July 2010 had occurred in low-wage jobs. But such jobs made up only 23 percent of the layoffs between December 2007 and June 2009.

Now NELP has published an updated survey. Once again, it's not good news. The majority of growth continues to be in lower-wage occupations.

Net change in occupational employment during and after the Great Recession/Chart by NELP
Policy Co-Director Annette Bernhardt, author of the report, said: “While it is too early to predict whether these trends will continue, the dominant growth in lower-wage occupations suggests that there is a good-jobs deficit that has hollowed out many of the decent work opportunities people are looking for. […] There has been a stark, disproportionate loss in mid-wage occupations during the recession, which puts a heavy burden on the recovery to replenish the stock of good mid-wage jobs.”

Bernhardt analyzed employment trends for 366 occupations based on data from the Current Population Survey of the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The data cover the first quarter of 2010 through the first quarter of 2011, which ended March 31. Median wages were ranked into three groups: lower-wage ($7.51 to $13.52 per hour), mid-wage ($13.53 to $20.66 per hour) and higher-wage ($20.67 to $53.32 per hour).

What did she discover?

Lower-wage occupations grew by 3.2 percent, with retail salespersons, office clerks, cashiers, food preparation workers and stock clerks topping the list. Mid-wage occupations, including paralegals, customer service representatives and machinists, grew by only 1.2 percent, while higher-wage occupations declined by 1.2 percent, which includes occupations like engineers, registered nurses and finance workers. […]

As [the chart above shows], these meager growth figures are dwarfed by the job losses during the recession, which were concentrated in mid-wage occupations.  Of the net employment losses between the first quarter of 2008 and the first quarter of 2010, fully 60.0 percent were in mid-wage occupations, 21.3 percent were in lower-wage occupations, and 18.7 percent were in higher-wage occupations. […]

The United States needs 11 million jobs to get back to pre-recession levels, and that jobs deficit is unevenly distributed:  it is largest among mid-wage occupations (8.4 percent below pre-recession employment), compared to higher-wage occupations (4.1 percent below pre-recession employment) and lower-wage occupations (0.3 percent below pre-recession employment). […]

Even as lower-wage jobs have generated the most growth, the wages they pay have fallen disproportionately – seeing a 2.3-percent decline since the start of the recession.  Workers in mid-wage occupations saw more modest declines (-0.9 percent), while workers in higher-wage occupations actually saw slight gains in real wages (+0.9 percent).  Overall, wages have fallen 0.6 percent since the start of the recession.

You can see specifics for some of occupations in the report.

Answers to the questions raised by the NELP report are crucial. Will these troubling trends vanish over time? Or is this part of that awful but oft-voiced description of our future—the "new normal"? Are the majority of Americans forever stuck with McJobs? Will younger people seeing such a dead-end future for themselves begin to feel more of a sense of solidarity with the working poor? And, if so, will they act accordingly to put the screws to politicians who are promoting austerity and tax cuts for the rich? How exactly would they turn those screws?

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:10 PM PDT.

Also republished by ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement, Progressive Hippie, and Daily Kos.

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    •  I worked for GM in 1975 (17+ / 0-)

      in Marion Indiana, made about $5/hr.  They are fighting to get $8-10/hr jobs there 35 years later.  The RCA picture tube plant that employed thousands is shut down.  General Tire is shut down, Anaconda wire is shut down, and thats just off the top of my head, GM had approx 3400 people working there, now under a thousand.  Good luck making money like we made in industry when its mostly service and some warehousing.

      I Know a place where a Royal Flush never beat a Pair" T. Waits

      by NearlyNormal on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:16:32 PM PDT

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      •  20 years ago, a GM worker made 6x what a GM de... (13+ / 0-)

        ...Mexico worker made.

        Today, that multiple is down to 3x for new GM hires.

        From 6x to 3x, in only 20 years.

        And people wonder why only 21% of Americans believe that the US is on the right track??!!!!

        Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project.

        by PatriciaVa on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:35:39 PM PDT

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        •  not that the Mexican workers (0+ / 0-)

          should deserve any less than those in Detroit.

          If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

          by marykk on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 04:45:30 PM PDT

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        •  Mexicans recently stopped migrating north (4+ / 0-)
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          They are better off in Mexico with the support of family, friends and community.

          look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening. "It's the planet, stupid."

          by FishOutofWater on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 05:10:52 PM PDT

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        •  Why should we make so much relative (1+ / 0-)
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          to people doing the same work in Mexico? Reminds me of Iowans who think themselves entitled to the first caucus, forever. IMO the desperate people in the third world did nothing to "deserve" to make 6 times less than us.

          I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

          by doc2 on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 05:38:48 PM PDT

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          •  indeed, it is pure racism to assume that "they" (0+ / 0-)

            "don't deserve" as much as "we" do.

            People doing the very same job, should be getting the very same pay for doing it. Whether they live in Tennessee, Tibet, Timbuktu or Tegucigalpa.

          •  Perhaps it's not that, but because of what (0+ / 0-)

            American workers did, in organizing, is why they 'deserve' to make six times more. Because they fought for it? I totally get what your're saying. I had the same reaction to the comment, to be honest. But I don't know.

            I don't think it's in any way "fair" to people who make far less doing the same jobs elsewhere. Nor is it fair to American workers who have no jobs now, to be out of work because a company can get the work done for 3 times less by taking the jobs elsewhere.

            Nothing about this is fair or right. But what is the answer? Outlaw international companies and globalization? Good luck with that. Not gonna happen. I suppose I do think this is basically the new normal. Unless people here get pissed off enough to start fighting back by electing politicians who will change the laws to protect us more by taxing those companies that do that and redistributing the wealth back to us. Forget giving us jobs. Just give us the money!!!

            •  you are right-the jobs will go where the wages are (1+ / 0-)
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              lowest. No matter how many flags we wave at the bosses, or how many patriotic songs we sing to them, or how much we appeal to their patriotic duty to give us all good-paying jobs.

              If we want jobs to stop flowing away, we have only two choices---either we lower our wages to match theirs, or we raise their wage to match ours.

              Which do we prefer?

              •  We don't need to do anything. (0+ / 0-)

                Their wages will rise, ours will sink, until (after adjusting for shipping and quality) their production costs are the same as ours.

                I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

                by doc2 on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 06:44:49 PM PDT

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                •  their wages are rising . . . because (1+ / 0-)
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                  they are fighting--unlike us.

                  In China, several major strikes -- STRIKES !!!! -- have pushed wages in some industries higher by as much as 30%.

                  The Chinese government has now been forced to begin writing off entire low-wage low-value-added manufacturing industries, allowing them to relocate to Cambodia or Vietnam, and has begun instead focusing on higher-wage higher-value-added jobs like infrastructure.

                  Wages are not determined by "the market"---wages are determined by the ability and willingness of workers to fight for higher wages.  Workers who fight for better wages, get them.  Workers who don't fight, don't.

                •  only if you (anyone) is doing the (0+ / 0-)

                  same old job.

                  There are 3 million job openings now in good paying jobs — and some places can't expand or even keep up with orders.

                  BUT they need people who can deal with math for some and other things like that.  North Dakota needs oil men...

                  one problem is the folks can't move be4cause their house is underwater and they can't sell it for enough.

                  I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

                  by samddobermann on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 03:30:05 PM PDT

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            •  Actually, if Americans really wanted (1+ / 0-)
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              to, they could simply not buy the cheaper products. The savings in production costs do not end up as profits for the corporation; they have resulted in lower prices for consumers. The American consumer (as well as the corporations) has been the beneficiary of globalization. So we don't need any fancy laws, we just need to care enough to be willing to pay more for American-produced goods. Which we aren't.

              I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

              by doc2 on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 06:43:45 PM PDT

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              •  several problems with that (0+ / 0-)

                First of all, this:

                The savings in production costs do not end up as profits for the corporation; they have resulted in lower prices for consumers.

                simply isn't true-----global corporations are making record profits, in the middle of a global recession, for a reason.

                Second, and more importantly, your plan hurts poor people the most. In the United States, real wages have declined steadily for the past 30 years, the wealth held by the lowest 80% of the population has decreased drastically, and unemployment levels are at their highest in many decades. Under those conditions, consumers are forced to stretch as much value as they can out of every scarce dollar—and asking them to patriotically (and voluntarily) pay higher prices  is unrealistic at best.

                They already have virtually nothing--and you are asking them to live on even less.  

                And of course there is the simple fact that there is no “American” to buy anymore.  It is no longer the 1970’s, when Hondas were all made in Japan and Fords were all made in Detroit. All of the large corporations are now global, and none of them have any loyalty whatsoever to any national government anywhere. General Motors is no more or less “American” than BP or Toyota. Which is the “American” car?—the GM (which is partially foreign-owned) that is made in Canada, or the Toyota (which is partially American-owned) that is made in Tennessee? What happens when you have an electronics device that is made from material mined in South Africa and plastic from Germany, using semiconductors from Ireland that were designed in Costa Rica, whose parts were shipped here on a Swedish ship that's financed by an Icelandic bank, then assembled in Mexico and sold in an electronics chain store in Boston that is owned by the Japanese?

                You are defending a world that simply no longer exists.

                •  Profits are high vs. the 50's in (1+ / 0-)
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                  nominal dollars, sure. But what matters is the margin, and margins on consumer products have been declining for decades. Who can deny the benefit to the consumer that has come from globalization? True, we don't have the cash to spend on things because we've lost our jobs, but prices are inarguably lower for those that do have money to buy things.

                  I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

                  by doc2 on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 06:58:33 PM PDT

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              •  It's a classic Catch-22 (1+ / 0-)
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                People who are unemployed and broke cannot afford to pay more. The lowest price is what people with little money have to look for and low prices is how companies compete for business and sales.

                But even if better-off people did that, there are few if any higher-priced, American-made options available, even for those who might be willing to do that. Where can we even find and pay more for these all-American-made-by-well-paid-American-workers products anymore?

                But the real problem is families trying to get by pretty much have to buy the most affordable things they can find. So they buy from companies that use the cheapest labor they can find.

      •  The minimum wage was $3. (0+ / 0-)

        per hour. I'll bet you had benefits.

        I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

        by samddobermann on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 12:06:34 PM PDT

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    •  American workers are global fungible commodities (7+ / 0-)

      More like a fungus

      What do we need them for?

      They are so far in debt they cant even consume any more.

      /snark OK?

      They can't even afford Wal Mart;

      Walmart (NYSE: WMT), the world’s largest retailer, has seriously upped its efforts to turn around eight straight quarters of falling sales at its established U.S. stores. It also plans to repurchase close to $15 billion worth of its shares to take advantage of what it believes to be an undervalued stock price and to generate returns for its investors.

      It used to be that Henry Ford wanted auto workers to be able to buy the cars they made;

      United Auto Workers union chief Ron Gettelfinger indicated yesterday that the $14 per hour base wage earned by an entry-level worker building Chrysler, Ford and General Motors products isn’t enough to buy a new car.

      The argument comes nearly 90 years after Henry Ford began paying workers $5 per day in hopes that the workers would be able to afford one of their own products, a Ford Model T

      We are back in the 1920s.  Before we know it it will be robber baron timeagain.

      Class war IS upon us.; an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action -1.75 -7.23

      by Shockwave on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 04:53:37 PM PDT

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      •  Unless That Worker's Title is CEO of Course (3+ / 0-)
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        then all the free market rules of competition and cost evaporate like the misting of an expensive perfume, leaving only the odor to remember it by.

        Those jobs were paying quite nicely thank you before the recession and surprise, surprise, surprise, they continue their globalization-gravity defying flight after the recession, with their salaries now exceeding the pre-recession highs.

        Now that's what they call recovery.

        It's as if the laws of economics are as malleable to them as are the laws of our Country.  

        We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

        by Into The Woods on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 05:48:16 PM PDT

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      •  even the low-wage jobs aren't safe (1+ / 0-)
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        Note in the piece that "cashiers" are one of the largest low-wage job categories.

        Note also that many businesses--everything from Home Depot to our local library branches--are replacing "cashiers" and "checkout people" with "self-service kiosks", where customers scan out their own purchases.

        What do we suppose will happen when WalMart--the largest single private employer in the US--replaces all its cashiers and checkout people with automated self-service kiosks, and fires all one million or so of its cashier employees . . . . ?

      •  You missed the start by thirty years. (0+ / 0-)

        And the robber barons are no longer controlling freight trains, oil, coal, and more money than god. Religion helped. The idea that having lots of money means you were chosen by god; the elect.

        Now they control large amounts of money for investment; virtual monopolies  for operating systems & office ware like Microsoft "gave away" with every new computer; pharmaceutical corps with branded cures; and oil, plus more money than lots of gods. Religion helped. The idea that having lots of money means you were chosen by god; the elected in these days.

        They have just about won the class war. Warren Buffet has admitted it.

        I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

        by samddobermann on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 08:44:58 PM PDT

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  •  Post recession jobs are never as good... (12+ / 0-) jobs before a recession.  That's why the bosses seek recessions.

    •  And why they are not too anxious to (5+ / 0-)

      have the government take action to create jobs.  The more desperate workers are, the lower wages and benefits they have to pay.  All the public worker cuts just squeeze people looking for jobs even more.

      "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." Maya Angelou

      by ahumbleopinion on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 05:36:18 PM PDT

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    •  That sounds like a great catchphrase. (1+ / 0-)
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      But I don't think anybody here believes that the "bosses" decide every once in a while to have a recession. We are an educated group here, and understand the concept and reasoning behind economic cycles.

      I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

      by doc2 on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 05:40:37 PM PDT

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    •  Exactly so... (0+ / 0-) occasional recession is good for the wealthy and powerful, since they always recover before the rest of us.

      Unfortunately, the lag for the rest of us is getting longer and longer.

      Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

      by TexasTom on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 06:19:56 PM PDT

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    •  The phenomenon was snappily named (0+ / 0-)

      "Cheap Labor Conservatism" by the Conceptual Guerilla in 2007:

      Here’s the real skinny. The purpose behind tax cuts and budget deficits is to bankrupt the government.

      Conservatives hate “social spending”. That’s what they mean by “big government”. They want you naked in as harsh an economic environment as they can create..

      .. but the concept has been around for awhile..

      "..The political class cannot solve the problems it created. " - Jay Rosen

      by New Rule on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 08:17:18 PM PDT

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  •  We are now a banana republic. (21+ / 0-)

    The jobs will come back once our wages are depressed to a mere fraction of what they once were before, and corporations will move out of formerly Third world countries once the wages get "too high" there.

    I work with B2B PAC, and all views and opinions in this account are my own.

    by slinkerwink on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:13:18 PM PDT

    •  Maybe, but it'll take a good while (3+ / 0-)
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      before American workers are cowed enough to accept what Mexican, Chinese, or Malaysian workers accept.   We still think exceptionalism will be ours.  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:38:07 PM PDT

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      •  They just want no more growth. (3+ / 0-)
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        They want to bring wages down of course, but they can accomplish economically what they want to do if they can just get the middle class basis down 20% or so - hold it - and continue to grow their markets and wages in the developing countries with continued increasing revenues and dividends from the likes of Brazil, Russia, India, and China.

        These people have no pride of country. The only allegiance to which they pledge is wealth.

      •  this is why (0+ / 0-)

        we need to get behind President Obama's efforts to cut spending.  American workers need to understand that everyone needs to sacrifice.

    •  AND IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT (3+ / 0-)
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      slinkerwink, pot, happymisanthropy

      If only you had heaped more praise on the president the economy would be booming.

      look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening. "It's the planet, stupid."

      by FishOutofWater on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 05:12:30 PM PDT

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    •  What exactly is the definition of (0+ / 0-)

      "banana republic" to you? I think for many it simply means a poor country. And it is true, that some people who have toiled in misery in poor Third World countries are now able to make a bit more money and enjoy a standard of living that, while not nearly equivalent to ours, at least allows them a reasonable life. I have trouble bemoaning the fact that hundreds of millions of Latin Americans and Asians now have the ability to lift themselves out of abject poverty. The fact that they live in what we call "banana republics" does not make them any less human than us.

      I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

      by doc2 on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 05:44:31 PM PDT

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  •  While it is nice to have (19+ / 0-)

    reports by folks who are paid to do reports which confirm what millions of Americans already know -- most folks aren't looking at graphs and well-drafted pages.  They are looking in their refrigerators (if they have one or the power is on), at their stack of bills, and many at their children.  

    Is there a "report" that truly reflects reality --- like the WPA Artist's Project which actually photographed and recorded real stories?

    Forgive me, Meteor Blades -- my pissiness isn't aimed at you -- just at the fact that we need a fucking report to state the obvious for the last several years.

    Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:17:58 PM PDT

    •  The trouble is that we have quite... (23+ / 0-)

      ...a large number of politicians, including some Democrats, who don't seem to get it until they have a chart staring them in the face, if then.

      Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:24:34 PM PDT

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      •  I honestly can count (4+ / 0-)
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        on very few fingers any politician who gets it.  Mr. Smith Goes To Washington was filmed long before my birth.  During the last 40 years of my political activism, I've been grateful for what I deem "crumbs" from politicians in the larger scheme of things.

        Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

        by gchaucer2 on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:27:17 PM PDT

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      •  Hmph! (1+ / 0-)
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        Charts, schmarts!!!  Those assholes wouldn't get it if a whole truckload of sick, starving American children was staring them in the face.....mostly 'cuz they wouldn't allow themselves to get it.

        A pox on them all......

        Well, it sure is a mess, ain’t it, Sheriff….
        Yep, and if it ain’t it’ll do ‘til the mess gets here.

        Liberal = We're all in this together
        Conservative = Every man for himself
        Who you gonna call?

    •  Excellent post, gchaucer2... (1+ / 0-)
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      Why, oh why, don't these economists come up with a measure that lets us know how unemployment, economic inflation, medical costs, AND GDP effect the REAL economy. Or, maybe they do, and the MSM don't report it?

    •  There have been a lot of reports (0+ / 0-)

      Many are on PBS. The news has shown them (as well as paying attention to the situation in Haiti tonight, Japan a few days ago).

      Frontline has done a lot of excellent documentaries on various aspects of the shitty situation that many find themselves in. They are heartbreaking, especially the sense of disorientation of those who were solidly middle class previously. There was one about homeless children going to school, living in motel rooms, and worse that I think was a Frontline program.

      So get off the insipid cable stations and look at PBS. CBS News isn't bad but Bob Sheiver or what's his name is, is truly awful. He is subbing for Scott Pelly who is very good.

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

      by samddobermann on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 11:19:34 PM PDT

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  •  & until we build a Solidarity (14+ / 0-)

    Movement unlike anything we have ever done before,this is the new normal.

    "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

    by tardis10 on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:24:43 PM PDT

  •  One more comment (21+ / 0-)

    I actually got a call back today from a lawyer who interviewed me for a job (for which I was overqualified re: education and underqualified re: actual job requirements).  He told me that he regretted that I wasn't selected.

    Do you know what that told me?  Not what one would expect.  It told me that someone had the courtesy not to ignore me.  To send regrets.  To tell me all three who interviewed liked me and they would keep my resume on file.  

    Sometimes a specific failure can be coupled with a professional courtesy which is practically absent in today's hiring class.  I already knew I didn't get the job by last Friday -- and had a fine pity party all weekend and yesterday.  That one call made a difference to me.  One person who is hiring and had the graciousness to apologize for not hiring me.

    Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:24:44 PM PDT

    •  They may be gracious but (4+ / 0-)

      they are definitely unaware of what  constitutes a truly good hire.

      (yes,I get your lovely larger point)

      "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

      by tardis10 on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:29:03 PM PDT

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      •  I honestly do understand (12+ / 0-)

        the concept of "overqualified."  It may mean, for many employers, that you will take a hike because you are always looking for something better.

        What the attorney told me was that they found someone who actually had experience in the area in which they were looking.  What they all liked about me was what I knew I had to put forth -- my humor and willingness to learn a new field.

        I've sent out hundreds of resumes -- and zero response.  I've had numerous interviews -- zero response.  I will always credit someone who has the grace to actually call back and explain why I didn't get the job.  That takes time, and expectation of awkwardness.  I can only hope the person they hire is a miserable colleague and they regret they didn't hire me.  :-D

        Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

        by gchaucer2 on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:34:23 PM PDT

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        •  I hope they quit on day one ;) n/t (4+ / 0-)

          "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

          by tardis10 on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:40:03 PM PDT

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        •  Tips for honesty. (4+ / 0-)


          Hey, there's nothing wrong with a bit of honest self interest, I say.

          Your last line reminds me of how I'd deal with the yearly "self evaluation" sheets we had to fill out at my previous office jobs.

          Self-evaluation?  Is that code for "help us by giving us ammo to deny you a raise"?

          My self evaluation was always pretty simple.  "I'm the best damn employee here, I do the work of four people and it would cost you 5x as much to replace me as you are currently paying me.  I rock from the moment I get here until the moment I leave and you should thank God that you have me as an employee."

          Fuck 'em; if they want an excuse to deny me a raise (again) they'll have to work for it themselves.

          Yeah, imagine a skinny, beaky kid with an unfortunate last name, still trying to get approval and feel attractive and liked to cancel out all those other years growing up. - FarWestGirl

          by Rick Aucoin on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 03:29:09 PM PDT

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    •  I have the same complaint... (2+ / 0-)
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      I apply for lots of jobs, and while I do have a job (and believe me, I am blessed in that respect), I would like the courtesy you received. I rarely get that satisfaction.

      Kudos to the person who called you.  If anybody reading is in a similar position, please ALWAYS call those not selected.

      •  Even an email. (3+ / 0-)
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        greengemini, gchaucer2, zapus

        I've been sending out resumes for about a year now, and most employers won't even acknowledge with an email that you've not been selected. Even with interviews.

        I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. - M Angelou

        by Lightbulb on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 05:05:49 PM PDT

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    •  a little courtesy can go a long way (2+ / 0-)
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      gchaucer2, Lightbulb

      I've flown cross country, been 1 of 3 finalist for a position, had dinner with office staff and yet still been denied the courtesy of a no - no matter what the form.

      I frequently implore my current employer to respond to applicants, even in a form letter, but to no avail.  Job hunting is such a time consuming an often fruitless endeavor; something I think people who do the hiring sometimes forget

  •  A lot of the jobes aren't really FTE either. (14+ / 0-)

    I know at my facility, there are eliminating a lot of full time positions and hiring lots of part time people. So if they fire the full timer who was doing lots of overtime, and hire 4 part timers instead for the same total number of hours, they claim they created "3 new jobs".

    I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. - M Angelou

    by Lightbulb on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:27:20 PM PDT

  •  I remember hearing this during the Bush II (9+ / 0-)

    administration. It's the new normal. Gotta stop paying folks a living wage. Get 'em used to a lower standard of living.

    I really hate the GOP.

    Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

    by JTinDC on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:27:42 PM PDT

    •  What about the Dems? (4+ / 0-)

      Where is President Obama's graduated Wealth Tax, designed to facilitate a fiscal transfer to the working and middle-class?

      The GOP proposes a Balanced Budget amendment.

      Why can't President Obama propose a graduate Wealth Tax, starting at 1% for households with net worth of at least 50M, to 8% annually for the Buffets and Ellisons of the US.

      The tax receipts would be used to supplement after-tax income of working and middle-class, in the same way that the Earned Income Tax Credit.

      President Obama campaigned as a transformational statesman.

      Where's the Transformation?

      Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project.

      by PatriciaVa on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:41:40 PM PDT

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      •  Get him elected to a 2nd term, restore a majority (3+ / 0-)
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        in the House and keep/build on the Senate majority and maybe it'll happen. Otherwise, no way is it possible.

        Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

        by JTinDC on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 03:21:55 PM PDT

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      •  He can propose all he wants, (0+ / 0-)

        but he cannot walk through a stone wall.  The only chance to make progress is to reelect the President, take back the House and hold the Senate.  Nothing good will happen until after the 2012 elections.  The GOP is playing total NO.  The best potential outcome for the rest of this term is to fight them to a draw.

        "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." Maya Angelou

        by ahumbleopinion on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 05:42:42 PM PDT

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  •  A desired outcome (3+ / 0-)

    Another policy triumph brought to you by The Village.

    Keep in mind that even before the crash real wages for most Americans had not kept up with inflation... for many years...

    Who needs unions? Who needs a party that looks out for the working men and women, and the poor?

    Whom do you blame more? The rattlesnake, or the bipartisan guy who put it in your sleeping bag?

    by chuckvw on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:34:27 PM PDT

  •  Color me surprised. (7+ / 0-)

    The "you should be grateful to be working at all" is a refrain at every workplace.  Surplus labor isn't favorable to any negotiating, including negotiations to keep pay cuts and give-backs from being even larger.  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:35:49 PM PDT

  •  This has to be a longer-term trend. (6+ / 0-)

    I don't think the last three years show anything but a continuing worsening of job quality since Reagan was president. I've seen hints of this, but no hard facts.

    Except one: the purchasing power of the minimum wage peaked in 1968 (source). Fortunately, that's been on an upslope since 2006.

  •  Well, put up a Mission Accomplished banner on (0+ / 0-)

    the White House.

    We don't need a third party. We need a second party.

    by obiterdictum on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:59:31 PM PDT

  •  Is this the beginning of the end? (5+ / 0-)

    Replacing poorer paying jobs for jobs lost in the recession is one significant symptom of a "death spiral" for the American economy:  a self-feeding constriction of economic activity.

    Consumer demand -- that great engine of recovery in post-WWII U.S. -- isn't there, and evidently shows few signs of rekindled life.  Housing is still below water, so forget any "wealth effect" borrowing by individuals or any revitalized interest in building & construction for the foreseeable future. The $trillions that corporate America has hoarded over the past decade is going to stay on the sidelines until someone steps up to buy products & services on a sustained basis.

    Obama's buying into the Tea Party's obsession with lowering Federal spending and cutting the National deficit in the middle of this jobs & business activity crisis is foolhardy if not criminally irresponsible.

    And now we're replacing Middle Class bread-winner jobs with McJobs for those lucky enough to get them?

    ...I'll see ya at the bottom. (Pretty sure I'll get there before most of ya, since I got a head start.)

  •  said before, (2+ / 0-)
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    Geenius at Wrok, Book of Hearts

    i'll say it again - i saw my own payrate dropping since the turn of the millennium; even as i worked hard to expand my skillset and resume over the digital age.

    the more i knew how to do, the less i earned. each job offered less and less pay, fewer and fewer benefits.

    finally i just quit on seeking professional work, now for at least five years just "working my own computer job" on my own time, outside of a supporting minimum-waged job with a local restaurant i like, without any moral/philosophical quandries. hey, people's gotta eat, and it gives me something else to do different from computers - i can think about my own work while i do their job.

    but i'm lucky to have that much going for myself, starting in the early ninties. others now don't have that much to start with...

    always hated the fucking rat-race, anyways.

    respect the morals, not the messenger. i bold everything i say for i do not preach to the choir; i preach to the new... or the trolls. WRONG=RIGHT IS NOT CORRECT. ONE SIDE IS WRONG. THE OTHER SIDE IS MORE CORRECT THAN THE OTHER.

    by theChild on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 03:06:52 PM PDT

  •  This is the plan at work. (3+ / 0-)

    Destroying the middle class and "offshoring labor" is spreading to the entire economy, and the rich handfuls in America have no use for the middle class anymore. Their markets are growing in the BRIC nations and they want to stop any escalation of wage demand in America.

    So they shake the economy to its core, walk off with all their billions and millions, and as Pelosi put it today, they get the wealth, we get the sacrifice.

    This is also why Republicans don't want to extend jobless benefits. They want people who used to make $60,000 or more to stop holding out and take jobs paying less than $30,000 - and make that the new norm.

    It's as plain to see as plain can be. I think we do nothing about it because we don't know what to do. And who can think about it when we're worried stiff about our jobs, our families, our health, and our financial security. What do we do. How does one really fight this force.

  •  Given the near total agreement (0+ / 0-)

    of both parties in Washington that austerity, and therefore worsening unemployment, wages and job security, are what is called for, I don't see how a report that tells them it's working will have much of an impact.  At this point, with even Nancy Pelosi joining the chorus, I don't see an electoral solution to the problem.  

    I do wonder what would happen if a fraction of the energy, discussion, attention and money that goes toward elections from this community were to shift to supporting fighting, progressive unions.

    Who knows? Maybe I'll get the chance to find out.

  •  And this is why all the talk about (14+ / 0-)

    education being the key to employment is a load of crap.

    I have a master's degree already. What level of education should I have to reach in order to get -- AND KEEP -- a job with wages appropriate to the level of education and experience I have?

    In fact, I lost my last job in January 2007, and haven't been able to find another since.

    I almost gagged today when I heard yet another jerk on TV say that the US didn't have enough engineers to supply Google with American employees, so they need another visa waiver.


    The problem is that Google won't hire anyone over the age of 40 -- yes, 40 -- and they won't hire the long-term unemployed engineers who all got set aside over the last few years because -- just like me -- we are, in their eyes, too damn old at 50 to invest any effort to employ us.

    And President Obama is one of the worst about this. I get so damn tired of hearing him preach about everyone needing college training. FOR WHAT?? There are not enough equivalent jobs for those who've already graduated, many, like me, with advanced degrees! And no matter how damn hard you wish it were true, not everyone is cut out for college. I know this because I used to TEACH college, and many of my students hated being there. They wanted to do other things with their lives but were forced by their parents or their circumstances to be in college to get that magical piece of paper that admits one to the world of higher-paid work.

    Until you reach the cut-off age point. Then, no matter how much education one has, he or she is just screwed!

    When are people going to start being honest about that?

    "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." -- Mark Twain

    by Brooke In Seattle on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 03:12:48 PM PDT

    •  You're absolutely right Brooke. (3+ / 0-)
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      I'm a blue-collar worker making something close to minimum wage. The working conditions are horrible. But lots of clueless people everywhere else tell me that if I went back to school I could do better.

      My coworkers? Some of them already have  a prestigious college background, but my facility is the only one really hiring around here. Those colleagues can't find work in the fields they went to college for. So they're here working with me.

      I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. - M Angelou

      by Lightbulb on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 05:13:41 PM PDT

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    •  By "education" they mean CompSci degrees (0+ / 0-)

      When they talk about how Americans needs more education, they're not saying we're lacking in a classical education, which we are, and they're not saying we're lacking liberal-arts master's degrees, which we're not. They mean computer science degrees. I don't doubt that Google can't find enough engineers; I bet they'll only hire about the top 10% of the applicants they find which doesn't get them very many. For those of you reading who are unemployed and similarly steaming at having too much education that isn't getting you anywhere, if you're at all technically inclined I suggest either going back to school for a CS degree, or learning stuff like mySQL and Python and Perl on your own.

      The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi

      by tmo on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 08:15:32 PM PDT

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  •  Who woulda thunk. (1+ / 0-)
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    Geenius at Wrok

    In the 1990's we were told that the "post-industrial" society, the service economy, was going to free us from all that dull labor of actually making stuff and lead us to peace, prosperity, and profits.

    Instead the republicans and Democrats, in service of wealth have designed a machine for destroying labor and the quality of life for the majority of this nation.

    I've gotta act as if no officeholder is represent my interests until proven otherwise.

    If you see the world in terms of Left & Right, you really aren’t seeing the world at all . . . Barry Ritholtz.

    by Fossil on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 03:25:06 PM PDT

  •  We're witnessing the new Working Poor Class (8+ / 0-)

    As grew entrenched during the dismantling of the Great Society dreams under Reagan, there is now emerging a new generation of long-term working poor, together with the long-term unemployed, whose place in our society is to be a permanent underclass.  As so eloquently stated by Jesse Jackson during the 1988 Democratic Convention:

    What's the fundamental challenge of our day? It is to end economic violence. Most poor people are not lazy. They're not black. They're not brown. They're mostly white, and female and young. Most poor people are not on welfare.

    I know they work. I'm a witness. They catch the early bus. They work every day. They raise other people's children. They work every day. They clean the streets. They work every day. They change the beds you slept in in these hotels last night and can't get a union contract. They work every day.

    They work in hospitals. I know they do. They wipe the bodies of those who are sick with fever and pain. They empty their bedpans. They clean out their commode. No job is beneath them, and yet when they get sick, they cannot lie in the bed they made up every day. America, that is not right. We are a better nation than that. We are a better nation than that . . .

    Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set... -- Gandalf

    by dnta on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 03:34:00 PM PDT

  •  My post-recession job pays close (3+ / 0-) health insurance costs have doubled. So I net far less than before. Also, I have no match on my 401(k), have fewer days off, and less sick time.

    Oh, and my taxes are higher. Wisconsin has the fourth highest taxes in the nation. THAT doesn't bother me.

    Paul Ryan = Eddie Munster - Coolness

    by Auntie Neo Kawn on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 03:49:00 PM PDT

  •  And in fact the real reason for the multiple (0+ / 0-)

    collapses may have been the desire by some in power at both the corporate and government level, to further discipline the American people and to speed up the transfer of wealth to the wealthy both inside and outside the US.
    Whether or not that has been the intent it is certainly the result.

    If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobediance, 1849

    by shigeru on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 04:27:46 PM PDT

  •  Hell, there aren't going to be ANY jobs soon. (0+ / 0-)

    The economy is crashing and burning in 3, 2, 1......

    Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

    by Bush Bites on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 04:33:54 PM PDT

  •  Are we still rewarding the off-shoring of jobs? (5+ / 0-)

    Last I heard that was off the table, but maybe some politician is pushing it. I don't know who.

    Isn't it just astonishing that with every poll for years now showing that Jobs and Economy are the prime interest of voters there simply is no politician making that their number one, harp on it today, harp on it tomorrow, theme?

    As if elections are won by playing some DC game so the other guy looks worse, that's what will get the voters to turn out for you. But addressing voters' needs... just not worth the time to even think about, let alone feature.

    Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

    by Jim P on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 04:46:14 PM PDT

  •  Maybe you can be a teacher (0+ / 0-)

    If you teach for a living you can count on the same 3-5 "cheerleaders" to talk up getting your job privatized and having you work for lower wages.  It is VERY progressive of them. PAs "awesome" system lets folks earn 1/3 less in the process.

  •  Maybe we should re-think the whole jobs thing. (6+ / 0-)

    Maybe a job isn't what people need.

    What would it be like if we, as a people, decided that a human being was worth enough to feed & clothe & house & transport & educate & keep healthy, just because s/he's human.

    We lose so much human potential by forcing so many of our population to spend all their efforts on just getting enough money to eat.

    I suspect we could do better.

    Reality has a well-known liberal bias -- Stephen Colbert

    by ItsaMathJoke on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 09:50:54 PM PDT

    •  corporados will be forced to adopt your viewpoint (1+ / 0-)
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      As they continue to remove jobs through automation, and continue to slash wages in all the remaining jobs, the corporados create an inherently dangerous situation, by systematically removing the means whereby people stay alive. As more and more people find their labor unneeded, and more and more people live on less and less, the ranks of the utterly destitute swell--and nothing is more dangerous to the very existence of the uber-rich than the growth of an ever-larger permanent group of unemployed and unemployable who will never have a job and can no longer afford to live. That is the stuff that revolutions are made of.

      In sheer naked self-interest (and self-defense), the uber-wealthy will soon have no choice at all but to insure that people can still have the means of living even if they don't have a job and never will have one. That can only be done by a massive welfare state, in which job income no longer determines how or whether one gets one's necessaries of life.

      The whole "free market" religion is reaching its end.  Soon, the elites will have no alternative but to begin a massive social welfare system, out of pure self-preservation.

      Their only alternative is to inevitably face the people who come for them with pitchforks.

      We've had our "Great Depression 2.0". It will inevitably brings its "New Deal 2.0".

      They simply have no choice.

  •  It's also those jobs that don't pay as well (3+ / 0-)

    now as they used to. I have been watching science jobs closely and the same job they used to advertise as requiring a M.S or Ph.D. are now advertised for a B.S. Of course they don't hire the person with the B.S.  (new graduates are just as fucked as the workers over 50) but they do pay entry level wages for positions requiring further training and experience. In Biotech there are the suits and the coats. The coats are lab coats and the suits are heartless cruel assholes.

    Bipartisan analogy: Both musicians and fishermen want more bass.

    by OHdog on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 10:27:26 PM PDT

  •  Of course not because it is the only way to keep (1+ / 0-)
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    the imaginary money called inflation in check.

    Thanks tipped and rec'ed MB.

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 05:38:02 PM PDT

  •  That billboard in the background (0+ / 0-)

    I'll tell ya what, I wasn't around back then.  But just from an historical perspective...that statement:

    "America, the World's Highest Standard of Living..."

    ..was as much horseshit back then as it is now.

  •  I haven't read the diary yet, (0+ / 0-)

    just the headline. And my first reaction was "no shit!"

    "The Greek word for idiot, literally translated, means one who does not participate in politics. That sums up my conviction on the subject." Sen. Gladys Pyle (1890-1989)

    by Melanie in IA on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 05:45:11 PM PDT

  •  We're out of the recession? (3+ / 0-)

    Tell the 20 plus million under or un employed about that.


    "It turns out, by the way, that oil rigs today generally don't cause spills. They are technologically very advanced." 4-2-10 Obama's George Bush moment

    by neaguy on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 05:47:21 PM PDT

  •  Late (0+ / 0-)

    but the person that replaced me earns 1/3 what I did, he my not have my back ground but then again !/3?. Third world I only hope that's all Amerika becomes.

  •  this is why we have to support the President... (0+ / 0-)

    in his debt reduction plans.  We need to reform entitlements so the debt can be lowered and the economy can regain confidence so the jobs can come back.  We need to support his plan to make trillions in cuts with no revenue increases.

    It's time for everyone to share in the sacrifice.

  •  um... (0+ / 0-)

    no shit.

    I'm still trying to earn as much as I was four years ago.

    Have typing skills, will travel!

    Over the past 30-odd years, the Democrats have moved to the right, and the Republicans have moved into a mental hospital. --Bill Maher

    by Youffraita on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 05:55:47 PM PDT

  •  Starting wages go up when demand for new hires (0+ / 0-)

    is larger than the supply of potential new hires.  It is entirely predictable that employers aren't offering premium wages when there are oodles and oodles of job seekers from which to choose.  When attracting new hires is extremely competitive due to low unemployment, wage offers get higher.  Additionally, the high paying jobs are still occupied by the same people who held them before the recession for the most part.  It was the mid to low paying jobs that were the target of most of the layoffs.  Therefore, it is those same low to mid range jobs that are being re-filled now.  

    Picture a bright blue ball just spinnin' spinnin' free. It's dizzy with possibility.

    by lockewasright on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 06:00:24 PM PDT

    •  nonsense (3+ / 0-)
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      Brooke In Seattle, LarryNM, 18038

      Wages are not determined by supply and demand.  Wages are determined by the ability and willingness of workers to fight for higher wages.

      Computer terminals and lumps of iron ore can't band together and fight for more money.  Humans can.

      When wages went up in the auto industry during the sitdown strikes in the 30's, the supply didn't change and neither did the demand.  What changed was the attitude of the workers.

      "The market" isn't a thing that comes down from Heaven and stands above humans and determines human actions.  "The market" is nothing more than the totality of free-willed humans doing what they do. By religiously worshipping "the free market", we are simply worshipping something that we ourselves make, and giving it a presumed power over us that it simply doesn't have unless we GIVE it that power over us.

      Humans determine the market.  Not the other way around. We made it; we can change it. At will.

      •  Absurd. If you don't want to work for the (0+ / 0-)

        amount offered in a situation where there are plenty of others competing for the job, someone else will get the job.  If you don't want to work for what's offered when their aren't many others from which to choose, then they have to sweeten the pot to attract you.  Reality.

        Picture a bright blue ball just spinnin' spinnin' free. It's dizzy with possibility.

        by lockewasright on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 06:15:02 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  So what do the (0+ / 0-)

    Democrat's that you support have to offer as regards to this reality? You act like the Democrat's have no choice, that were tied to this administrations policy and ideology. It is ideological, it's not compromise when Democrat's regurgitate St. Ronnie. You say action counts but  continue to support this administration's fake 'compromises'. You say to me what you do is what I respect, why are you not willing to ask this from the ass backward new Democratic Party, policy and  and an ideology that represents the interests of we the people. The politics  here are bs,  as John Steward said a well know yuppie, have you just quit? Have we MB? Two legs better cause it's just to scary to mess with these fuckers who say sorry but eat your peas and get real this is inevitable?  

  •  And they keep waiting for "Consumer Demand" to (3+ / 0-)

    revive, while sitting on its chest with their hand over it's mouth and nose.  

    For 30+ years they've been treating wages as only a cost, not as a critical component of purchasing power that must be sustained to preserve and sustain consumer demand.

    For the last 10 years they kept consumer demand afloat (above what purchasing power could support) by luring us into record levels, unsustainable levels, of household debt.

    But that's gone.  

    Now, they sit with their billions on the sideline, clipping their coupons, approving of the stock buy-backs and big dividends to distribute the record corporate profits and wonder why the Consumer Demand Express hasn't come by for quite awhile.

    Nutters, the whole lot of them.

    We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

    by Into The Woods on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 06:02:44 PM PDT

  •  The answer is yes, most Americans will be stuck (1+ / 0-)
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    with McJobs.  This will persist until half the world's population disappears, say after a war or plague, or until wages are equal all across the world, so that it doesn't pay to offshore jobs.  But you can kiss the old American standard of living for most people goodbye.  This was obviously going to happen years ago when Nafta was enacted.

  •  Is the Recession Over? (0+ / 0-)
  •  Especially bad if you're over 50 (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Well, fuck (0+ / 0-)

    I could have told you that.

    Over the past 30-odd years, the Democrats have moved to the right, and the Republicans have moved into a mental hospital. --Bill Maher

    by Youffraita on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 07:22:46 PM PDT

  •  Also noted in WSJ (0+ / 0-)

    Although they offered no opinion, pro or con.  Let's remember - the WSJ serves capitalism, not the U.S.A.

    What's Wrong With America's Job Engine?

    I do give the WSJ credit for actually reporting on the subject, however.

    "You don't really need to find out what's going on / You don't really want to know just how far it's gone / Just leave well enough alone / Eat your dirty laundry" Henley/Kortchmar

    by pkohan on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 08:32:10 PM PDT

  •  Workers need to stop producing 4 business (1+ / 0-)
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    What America needs is a full-fledged strike by all those who are sick of what Corp America has done to our lives.  Polls show people overwhelmingly believe Corp's have caused America's economic problems so we should all start showing those Corp's what can happen when we abandon them.  So long as we keep working harder for less money they will continue to fuck us.  STOP MAKING THEM SUCCUSSFULY PROFIT WHILE WE STARVE!! All those still working who believe in the cause need to stop doing 200% and start doing the minimum necessary to maintain their job (most bosses will not fire so long as some effort is being put forward unless made to--and that's an illegal reason to fire someone).  START SHOWING THESE GREEDY CEO'S WHO ACTUALLY RUNS THEIR OPERATION!!  Americans have the power over our self-annointed Slave Lords but we have to use it.  Let's start some Civil and Corp Disobedience.

    "Put on your high-heeled sneakers/it's Party time" - Steely Dan.

    by rainmanjr on Wed Jul 27, 2011 at 09:23:19 PM PDT

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