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Would the real Bill Maher please stand up? Who is he? I want to know. Is he a comedian or a political pundit? Is he a Progressive (as he claims he is), a libertarian (as he’s been on record in the past as saying) or a closet Republican (he did vote for Reagan the second time around and for Dole in 1996)? Is he a bona fide intellectual or a dilettante? An original thinker or a dedicated follower of fashion? Is he an atheist or is there a tryptiched altar in his bedroom, complete with votive candles and a picture of the Sacred Heart of Jesus?

This is the man responsible for introducing the likes of Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Grover Norquist and Christine O’Donnell into mainstream America. He counts Coulter amongst his best friends – one of two, I imagine, because media whore and Queen Ratfucker, Arianna Huffington is the other one. He lambasts the corporatocracy which has taken over America, yet bows from the waist in open admiration at Huffington’s defection to that realm of power and glory (not that she ever left off trying to break down the doors anyway).

He describes himself as a Progressive, but he openly supports the death penalty and racial profiling. He is anti-union and crossed the picket lines during the writers’ strike to carry on with his show. After the strike ended, he made it a stipulation that any writer working on his Real Time show not belong to a union. He is virulently against the National Endowment for the Arts. Whilst he was vocal in his criticism of George W Bush, he lauded him for the Iraqi surge. He’s a fervent defender of Israel.

If any other self-proclaimed “Progressive” openly claimed those credentials, he’d be immediately lambasted as a Blue Dog Dem, and that’s being kind. Those credentials are solidly Republican.

During the health care debates throughout 2009, Bill pushed the envelope in favour of the fashionable “public option,” even advocating Medicare-for-All when he interviewed Congresscritturs pushing that meme; but at the end of that season, in a lengthy interview with Bill Frist, he blurted out that he didn’t trust the government to administer any sort of health program, before launching into an anti-vaccine argument with Frist, a practicing physician, that belied his self-promoted reputation as a secular ratiionalist worshipping at the altar of science. The week before that episode, he engaged himself in a totally ludicrous argument with Jeff Toobin, criticizing what he called “Western medicine” and insisting that people left the United States dying of cancer for alternative treatments and lived to tell the tale.

In fact, Bill seems far cozier in the company of some of the most notorious conservative politicians and commentators, Frist included. Coulter, as mentioned, is his BFF; and the criminally-challenged Congressman, Darrell Issa is a frequent guest on Real Time, as is Dana Loesch, Matthew Continetti and the infamous Andrew Breitbart, whom he fails to challenge on any point and actually appears to protect.

In fact, it was the conservative writer, S E Cupp, who perspicaciously sussed that Bill’s strident atheism didn’t really appear to be non-belief at all, but rather, an anger at God. In fact, it’s only recently that Bill’s actually outed himself as an atheist. Until 2009, when Richard Dawkins awarded him his coveted Atheist of the Year award, Maher identified himself more as a questioning agnostic, saying that atheists were just as uncertain in their non-belief as fundamentalist Christians were in theirs. He actually admitted to believing in a higher power, just one which wasn’t the traditional view of God as the ultimate father figure.

The “Progressive” Bill Maher has shown himself openly queasy about Islam and Muslims, in general. In an interview with Anderson Cooper, in 2010, he quipped that, of course, Islam was a religion of peace. “There’s a piece of you over there and another piece over there, and that’s after the suicide bombers have struck.”

He was openly rude and blatantly disrespectful to Congressman Keith Ellison, one is Muslim.

And then, there are the remarks about the current President of the United States, referring to him disparagingly as “President Sanford and Son,” and lamenting the fact that Barack Obama wasn’t his idea of a real black President, one who would use ghetto-style language and intimidation techniques, even to the point of showing his Cabinet and Congress a gun tucked inside his suit jacket.

I’m positing that Bill Maher is a fraud, and anyone who looks at him either as an intelligent and fearless voice in the pundit community or an equally brilliant satirist, needs to wake up, smell the coffee and learn to think for themselves.

This is a man who follows the fashion of the easy money trail, rather than owning up to common sense principles that he’s afraid to avow publically because it would mean swimming against whatever the currently fashionable tide is concerning a popular topic of discussion or criticism.

He’s proven this with his attitude toward President Obama.

Bill was raised in a Democratic household, although now he doesn’t describe himself as a Democrat, and he’s too afraid to admit that he is, at heart, probably more of an old-style moderate Republican. It’s not unusual for someone to start life as a Democrat and then become a Republican – like John Boehner. Conversely, Hillary Clinton was formerly a Republican who switched parties along the way.

No, Bill’s a political starfucker. He leans Democratic when it’s cool to do so, and punches the Republicans when it’s the flavour of the moment to do that as well. And when the radical chic, whom he emulates and longs to join, find a trendy independent with a bone to pick, they push his meme too. Hence, Bill, along with those other two politically astute self-promoters, Michael Moore and Katrina vanden Heuvel, sold their followers on the message that it was all too hip to back Ralph Nader in 2000, because Bush and Gore represented the same corporate animal.

There you go. Bill enabled George W Bush, but then Bush gave him some great comedy moments and, no doubt, lined his pockets with money to ferret away from the California tax authorities, so who’s complaining? Not Bill.

Now we’re seeing Bill sell his dismay about Obama with everyone from Piers Morgan to Lawrence O’Donnell. I remember when he started this meme, and I remember the background to it, and it’s the background which, I believe, is sincere and incongruent to the undermining message he’s promoted on and off since then, which has done enough harm to the President, but serves only to enhance Maher’s own publicity. I don’t have any problem with self-promoting hacks, but I do have a problem with people who hang on their every word and follow them to the point that they convolute themselves in contradiction.

At the end of Bill’s 2008 season, the week after the Election, Bill – who was genuinely pleased with an Obama triumph – sat at his panel’s table and discussed with Jon Meacham how exactly they thought Obama would govern as President. Bill acknowledged that Candidate Obama had run as a centre-Left pragmatist and admonished Progressives not to get caught up in the hope that he would be able to pursue an exclusively Progressive agenda. He even warned that the Republican party, although defeated, was anything but down and out and would be an obstructive force with which to reckon.

He and Meacham then agreed that Obama would have no recourse but to govern from the centre and would have to seek bipartisan support from the GOP for certain measures. Bill even cited Mario Cuomo’s famous quote about politicians campaigning in poetry and governing in prose.

So far, ao astute. So sensible.

Fast forward to February 2009, and Bill’s first program after his hiatus. He took a break from comedy in his monologue, to remind his audience of the immense obstacles, especially with the economy, facing this President. He was right in saying that Obama was essentially the black man brought in to clean up the mess made by the entitled white man. He was actually facing  the worst economic situation since Roosevelt’s first term, but then Bill reminded people about the public in Roosevelt’s time, the so-called Greatest Generation, of which Bill’s parents (and mine) were a part.

Bill reminded his llisteners that the President had said that this would take time, that he couldn’t do it without the public’s help, and that was reasonable.

“I hope,” he said, “that now we’ve got our man in the White House, that people are just going to sit back and expect him to perform miracles and right this situation right away, because that’s not the way it’s done. It’s gonna take some time, and we all have to tighten our belts. But, you know, I’m not so sure this generation is able to do that, not like our parents’ generation.”

He went on to explain how his parents had lived through a Depression and a World War. They were suffering when Roosevelt asked them to tighten their belts even more during a real Depression, and they came off that, only to be asked to make sacrifices during a war. They got on with it and did what was asked; but he was right to single out the immaturity of people in present times. He actually ended his spiel by wryly reminding people that this wasn’t a matter of just cleaning house, and the President wasn’t that sort of servant.

Again, brilliant summation.

By the third week in June, he was castigating the Republican party for moaning about Obama always being on television; by the fourth week in June, 2009, Bill abruptly changed tack, in one week: Now he was moaning about Obama being on television so much that he’d done nothing since he’d become President. He seemed to enjoy being in front of the camera too much. Why, the only thing he’d accomplished in the first 100 days was getting a dog. Where were the WPA-style jobs’ programs, where was healthcare? And then the killer line: Why couldn’t Obama be more like Bush in ramming legislation through? Why couldn’t he have more of the Bush swagger?

Such bodacity garnered Bill umpteen appearances on talk show after talk show and the floodgates on Obama-bashing opened in earnest. As time went by, Bill loved to remind people that he was the first political commentator who dared to criticize the President. By the end of that year, he was snarkily referring to him as “Barry,” emulating the pithy and petty old white men of the Tea Party he disdained. When the President fulfilled a campaign promise of implementing a surge in Afghanistan, Bill tweeted indignantly that Obama was now “just like Bush.”

This carried on to a lesser degree – racist comments aside – during 2010. At least Bill had retained enough of his integrity to realise that 2010 was a Midterm election year, and that the Democrats were in danger of losing out. But in the aftermath of the Midterms and after the tax cut compromise, he took to the airwaves on Fareed Zakaria’s program to label the President a “pussy.” He’s since called him that once again in recent weeks.

In fact, the only time the President has received any approbation from Bill Maher this year was when Osama bin Laden was killed.

Since then, his constant meme has been “caving” or wishing that Obama had pushed Democratic principles, and insinuating that Obama is a Republican at heart.

Singularly oxymoronic from a man who openly supports the death penalty, who’s on record as being anti-union (please, the attention paid by Maher to the Wisconsin debacle was fashion-following only), who’s against the NEA, who defends Israel in every corner, who starfucks Bibi Netanyahu, and who doesn’t have a problem with American citizens getting assassinated without due process.

Bill Maher says Obama is a Republican at heart.

As for the President not promoting Democratic principles, I presume Bill hasn’t heard about the following:-

■- The Lily Ledbetter Act (ensuring equal pay for women doing the same work as men – but wait! Bill Maher’s got a sexist problem with women).

■- The Matthew Shepherd Hate Crime Act (but wait! In 2007, no less than Alan Simpson, ripped Bill a new asshole, when he made an untimely gay joke, to which Simpson took offense)

■- The Dodd-Frank Act (but wait! Bill wholeheartedly approves of BFF’s Arianna Huffington’s entry into the Wall Street arena)

■- The Affordable Care Act (but wait! Bill’s on record as being against anything like a Congressional Act which regulates healthcare)

■- Repeal of DADT (enacted by the man Bill would crawl over broken glass to interview, Bill Clinton)

■- Pushing for the repeal of DOMA (another Clinton accomplishment)

There are other things. Bill, like most of his ilk, failed to see that the compromise secured by agreeing to extend the Bush tax cuts for 2 years, contained many valuable benefits for the unemployed, the poor, the working poor and small businesses. But Bill wouldn’t see these things, simply because he has no occasion to think about them. He simply isn’t concerned. And, by the way, just to detract from Bill’s constant meme of Obama being a bad negotiator, the tax cut compromise was negotiated by Joe Biden.

And this week he’s back, singing the same old song of Obama disappointment on Lawrence O’Donnell’s MSNBC show, when in reality, he was conflicted to the point of confusion. On the one hand, Bill understands very well that the President has to react the way he does at various times because he’s contending with an Opposition who’ve made no secret of the fact that their aim is to destroy Barack Obama – as a President, as a politician and as a man. And yet, he undermines the President in the next breath, by insinuating that he was naive to want bipartisan cooperation, that he was needy in “wanting the Republicans to like him,” that he was a bad negotiator (yet again) and was caving to their demands by not demanding revenues in exchange for spending cuts (when it was Harry Reid, who famously caved in this instance, after the Republicans had walked out on the Presidential negotiations).

Finally, by beginning his interview with O’Donnell with such an infamous qualitative statement as “I like Obama BUT …” he simply reveals that he doesn’t like the President at all, which indicates that Maher is either stupid enough not to have listened to the President at all during either the campaign or his early months in office or that he’s enough of a shallow starfucker to herd-follow the Professional Left shills who gratuitously criticize absolutely everything this President does or doesn’t do which doesn’t meet with their high purist standards, in an attempt to grift a spare buck and some free publicity.

Because I’ve heard him speak eloquently and intelligently in defence of this President and because he was still astute enough to realise that something as straightforward as increasing the debt ceiling (a procedure in which  no President in recent history has had to involve himself directly) is a manouevre to destroy the country’s economy in an attempt to bring down one man, I believe the latter.

Like his mommy-figure, Huffinton, Bill’s all about self-promotion and getting as much attention as possible. And he wants to play with the big kids, be in with the in crowd. It’s cool in Bill’s world to be a Progressive hating on the black man in the White House, and when Bill derides the stupidity of Americans and manages to convince the dittoes who follow him religiously that he’s a Progressive who’s OK with the death penalty and who’s not ok with defending labour through unions, then he’s laughing all the way to the bank at such singular inability to think critically; but he’s not going to complain if it makes him some money.

At the end of his interview with O’Donnell this week, Lawrence asked Bill if there were even a remote part of him who was hoping for a default on the national debt for comedic purposes. Bill replied that he had money; even he wouldn’t want to see that happen. But I have a sneaking suspicion that he’d like to see this President fail and a Republican in Office in 2012.

After all, a Republican in the White House is just so much better for comedy.

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  •  Or, you know, (16+ / 0-)

    He might hold views more complicated than just all left or all right...

    Hey, let's give the bully all our lunch money then he'll like us! He'll really, really like us!

    by nightsweat on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 06:54:37 AM PDT

  •  I am consistantly confused by Maher (9+ / 0-)

    I dvr his show and wind up deleting it at least 1 in 3 times, without watching. I can't stomach anyone giving Coulter, Issa and Breitfart a platform, let alone protecting them! I really think he believes his own press and believes he is a vital pundit. It seems like I am screaming at the tv more and more during his show, which means I am not enjoying the experience!

    Republicans piss on you and tell you it's raining, Democrats hand you an umbrella!

    by Nica24 on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 06:56:18 AM PDT

    •  Part of Maher's problem is Jon Stewart (10+ / 0-)

      and Stephen Colbert. He is in constant competition with them. The difference is, when Stewart criticizes the President it is valid, and fair. When Maher does it is all about what" he" wants. I am a big Stewart fan, not so much a Maher fan, but I do beleive Stewart's routines are more humble and Maher's are more self-serving.
      I have lost interest in Maher and his comedy. I have also noticed when he has a conservative on his show he doesn't hold their feet to the fire as Stewart quite often does. I know some think differently, but good manners is not capitualting.
       Do you think Maher would appear on Fox News Sunday and let Chris Wallace have it as Stewart has done? I don't think so.

      •  The only Fox show on which he appears is Bill-O's. (0+ / 0-)

        That's because they're buddies.

      •  Now your talking! (0+ / 0-)

        I have had the same reaction to Maher for a while now. I only sit through him once in a while, for a guest. But then he will have someone truly repulsive on at the same time, and sit there and let them get away with their talking points and bullshit! Mostly I have just been sending him to the old trashbin!
        As my adoration grows for Stewart and Colbert (I've got a weakness for Seth Meyers "Weekend Update" too), my dislike grows for Maher. I think his smugness bothers me the absolute most!

        Republicans piss on you and tell you it's raining, Democrats hand you an umbrella!

        by Nica24 on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:37:43 PM PDT

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    •  His biggest weakness is that he's now (1+ / 0-)
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      a media elite.

  •  You pay money to watch him? (2+ / 0-)
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    There's the very first problem.

  •  You've got nothing better to do (8+ / 0-)

    than a long-winded criticism of a TV comedian/interviewer (because he apparently doesen't agree precisely with every last one of your opinions)?

    Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

    by Deward Hastings on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 06:59:36 AM PDT

  •  I used to love his show. But that was back (6+ / 0-)

    when he was a politically incorrect comedian.

    How he's trying to insert himself into the political world as someone with influence, and he's ruined his schtick.

    I no longer pay for HBO anymore, primarily because they only reason I did was because I like to watch Maher.

    Every now and again he comes up with some funny New Rules, which I can always find on Youtube.

    Meh, he's irrelevant these days, or so I hear.

  •  He's a comedian and political satirist (7+ / 0-)

    That's a position in the world that is positively inimical to "staying in line" in support of the President, or any other politician, no matter who.

  •  A man with opinions that differ from yours. Who (9+ / 0-)

    gets to decide what he is?  He does.

    Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day. Harry Truman

    by temptxan on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:04:41 AM PDT

  •  or he could just be a guy with a t.v. show (6+ / 0-)

    much the same way that john stewart is and the only reason that some consider it to be a show with cogent political analysis is because such analysis doesn't actually exist in the MSM in the u.s. anymore.

    "I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your fuckin' mouth." --- Bill Hicks

    by voroki on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:10:01 AM PDT

  •  I happen to think he's hilarious... (6+ / 0-)

    And spot-on with most of his opinions, so I watch him.  You disagree. So don't watch him...

    In order not to believe in evolution you must either be ignorant, stupid or insane-- Richard Dawkins

    by sandav on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:10:22 AM PDT

  •  Bill Maher... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...jumped the shark years ago. The only reason O'Donnell and others book him as a guest is they think it will bring viewers. It's all show biz.

    I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

    by itsjim on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:19:24 AM PDT

    •  Indeed... (7+ / 0-)
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      It's all show biz.

      Who is Bill Maher?  He is an entertainer.  The problems lies not with this or that pundit/comedian/newsreader, but that politics in our current system has been reduced to entertainment and nothing more.

      People now feign (or actually) stage campaigns to run for POTUS in order to increase their likability factor and improve their entertainment bottom line (Gingrich, Trump, Palin).  

      Don't let the fact that the best political commentary available is coming from two comedians mean that all comedians should do riveting political commentary.  That's placing the emphasis of the critique in the wrong place.

      The problem is that there is nothing beyond entertainment in contemporary political commentary and that the public has basically accepted the formula of "politics = entertainment" and given up expecting anything more from its political culture, politicians and political analysts combined.

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:32:59 AM PDT

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  •  Maher is good at delivering the jokes (4+ / 0-)
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    but often not so sharp about politics, especially long-term political strategy. He is extremely erratic, in fact, and at times chameleonic, as when he seems to become more liberal or conservative depending on his guests.

    He has recently improved his knowledge base slightly and very occasionally challenges the bald-faced lies of his conservative guests, but in general he's lazy and poorly informed--a stoner dependent on his writers for what's really going on. He is sort of a cold fish, which makes him not very good when he's supposedly being a liberal. I have found this to be oddly true of other very funny comedians, such as Harry Shearer and Steve Martin: strangely cold and unfunny personally, and oddly humorless when off-script.

  •  He's a satirist. (8+ / 0-)

    As for politics, his views are complicated.  As are my own, and those of many others here I would imagine.  I dislike the man intensely, to be honest, because of his virulent anti-religion and anti-Muslim stances.  But I don't question his right to hold those opinions, nor do I question whether he can be a Progressive on some issues and still hold those opinions.

    If this diarist is writing such a long diatribe against a person simply because that person is disillusioned with President Obama, then perhaps she needs to look around this community.  Bill Maher isn't alone in that disillusionment.

    Terror has no religion.

    by downsouth on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:30:08 AM PDT

  •  Just guessing here, but it seems you have little (0+ / 0-)

    experience with show BUSINESS and the people that have succeeded in it.

    Professional entertainers, like Bill Maher, have only one goal. To attract as many eyeballs as possible to their performance, period.

    The fault that appears to upset you so much is not theirs, it is ours. Forget all the bullshit about political, social, religious, and economic opinions, views, positions they espouse, they are attention whores, plain and simple. It is what they do and when they do it well, we rewards them with fame and fortune.

    It is our priorities that are FUBAR, they simply provide what we value and demand.

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

    by Greyhound on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:33:26 AM PDT

  •  Maher is an entertainer with opinions on subjects (4+ / 0-)

    like you and I.  He has a television show where he can be an entertainer with a political slant and with guests that come from various backgrounds with their opinions.

    If you don't agree with any, or all of his material of programming, then don't watch.  It's not worth getting this upset over something you have no control of.

    Hey Boehner and the Republicans: WHERE ARE THOSE JOBS YOU PROMISED????

    by LamontCranston on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:39:30 AM PDT

  •  Mahar is NOT a progressive (2+ / 0-)
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    he IS what he says he is A LIBERTARIAN

    "You've got to be an optimist to be a Democrat, and a humorist to stay one" - Will Rogers

    by KnotIookin on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:51:42 AM PDT

  •  I admit there are some things (2+ / 0-)
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    about Bill Maher that annoy me.  The fact that he can stay friends with hate mongers like Ann Coulter annoys me.  But then I just wrote a tweet to Joy Behar, one of my favorites,  that I turn off her show when she has Coulter on.  Of course I do not know how much control Joy has over her guests on CNN affiliate HL.  On the other hand Bill, I think, has total control.

    Bill Maher is a mixed bag.  At times, for me, so is Jon Stewart.  I feel both too often have bought into the "false equivalencies" of the MSM of extreme right = extreme left.
    At one time that may have worked.  But the "center" has moved SO FAR TO THE RIGHT since Reagan, I think people like me who once considered myself a moderate left liberal is considered extreme left because I believe in things like universal single payer health care, funding for public education for all (not charters/private), and in keeping one's hands off SS/Medicare.  Oh yea, I am pro union.  Apparently these things now make me far left.

    Most times for me, Bill Maher's show is a mixed bag.  I understand WHY he includes dolts like Breibart on the panel some ways it makes sense to defuse up front the "it's all liberal therefore it's not a valid discussion" meme.   I did not know about his anti union stance and I would openly reject that pov.  But at the same time, some of the things he does say and some of the voices he gives power to (like Dan Savage) are good for the left, imo.

    But in the end, all media people (except the unprofessional dolts on FOX) whether they are humor folks or straight media are trying to be seen as fair to both sides. I think they capitulate way to much to the left.  But I think they are much more pressured by the corporate bosses to play the game....

  •  about face (1+ / 0-)
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    So he calls himself progressive now?

    I used to watch his show long, long ago, when he had four people discussing politics and whatnot. He described himself as an atheist and libertarian then, and he frequently came across as wet behind the ears and obnoxious, as young, male libertarian atheists so often do. But the arguments and discussions of his guests were interesting, more honest and intelligent than other TV fare.

    Then the guests began to include celebrities, especially bosomy starlets falling out of their clothes, who had assertions but no relevant knowledge. The talk became uninformed squabbling. Pretty soon, I was feeling embarrassed for the guests making intellectual fools of themselves, and then I stopped watching altogether.

    Thanks for letting me know what Maher's been doing since then---I see him referenced every so often, so I knew he's still around---and telling me I haven't missed anything worthwhile over the years.

  •  Um, whatever...... (0+ / 1-)
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    second gen

    .....whose payroll are you on????

    That was a very verbose and highly detailed criticism, one that makes me think you are not simply a casual watcher of television. And that list of "accomplishments" is straight out of OFA.

    Like I said...


    "...if my thought-dreams could be seen, they'd probably put my head in a guillotine..."

    by lams712 on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 08:03:33 AM PDT

  •  Maher is an establishment media millionaire (0+ / 0-)

    To expect him to do anything other than what establishment media millionaires do is foolish.

    Amusing Ourselves to Death

  •  Well, (4+ / 0-)

    I watch Maher faithfully (ha!), but I couldn't stomach more than 3 paragraphs of your screed.  If Maher sounded anything like you, he would have no audience.  This isn't a personal attack, it's an observation; he has a TV show that sinks or swims on the ratings and depends on getting people with wildly divergent views to come on and talk to each other.  He simply can't pull an O'Reilly on his guests and expect to continue his show with his format and his audience.

    As for his personal opinions, I respect him for having the courage to hold opinions that diverge from the mainstream, but I certainly don't agree with everything he says.  Since when are we the left-leaning anti-FOX that we can only listen to whatever we already agree with?  

    Maher is one of the few widely-watched TV shows that liberals can still go on and make their case, and you want to diss him for being insufficiently dogmatic and orthodox?  

  •  one word for you....BALONEY! (2+ / 0-)
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    So Maher doesn't agree with your World View....and is therefore the spawn of satan? Wonder what in the world you would have thought of George Carlin's comedic "philosophy" on politics if this were his heyday. Not comparing Maher to Carlin......just saying Carlin was didn't always agree with all positions held by the DFH's either you know? In fact he was pretty much disgusted with the whole damn thing....and all American's in general really. Pretty sure Carlin would agree with Maher's contention that American's are morons.

    Can't we just have your list of who is NOT measuring up to your idea of what being a "Liberal" is? Would save us a lot of time and trouble.

    Jesus I am so tired of all these "shoot the messenger" screeds. I hate Ed Schultz....I hate Randi Rhodes...I hate hate hate hate hate hate......

    THIS is what is wrong with the Lefty's and the Rightwing know's it....we eat our own!

  •  So what? (1+ / 0-)
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    Bill Maher is not one of the major or pushy political pundits, he's an entertainer and seems to truly call them as he sees them.  And unlike a lot of pro-Obama supporters here, he's not a hater in search of an outlet.  He has and manages to keep friends on The Other Side.  Because he can see where they come from, even though it is disagreeable and twisted, because it's still human and not entirely unreasonable.

    What annoys me more is diaries like these, which is part of the ongoing Pravda-ization of DKos for Obama.   A sneering put-down op-ed listing social flaws and making insinuations about some Obama critic...I guess that's not a tragedy per se.  It's when it gets obsessive and every Joanna Random Obama Supporter feels entitled to write one and doesn't even understand that convicting a comedian of thoughtcrime is sort of like prosecuting a car dealer for selling cars.

  •  what a bunch of stupid crap (1+ / 0-)
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    Bill Maher has nuanced political opinions that don't fit into the easiest, most superficial "left-right" divide on every issue.  So what?  Does that mean his opinions are worthless?  That it shouldn't be heard?  

    Deviate from what you consider the 'liberal' position on any issue and one forfeits their platform?

    You can't possibly expect someone to agree with you on every single issue, can you?

    As for his guests, how could he have a political panel show without inviting on conservatives?  I think the likes of Issa, Coulter, etc are the only ones that accept his invites.

    Bill Maher is one of the most prominent anti-Republican political comedians, and he's damn funny much of the time, so I support him.  

  •  Maher can be very funny but he's not the (0+ / 0-)

    most rational of human beings. Probably why he tends to be chaotic in his views. I recall Richard Dawkins expressed dismay when he heard that Maher was an anti vaxer. As far as I know, while the award is named in honour of Dawkins, he doesn't determine who receives it. Many in the sceptic/atheist community were pretty apoplectic about that award - but to be honest we have a pronounced tendency to apoplexy at the best of times. :)

  •  he is an entertainer, not a journalist (0+ / 0-)

    My best guess was a reflection that did not look back, an image lost in every mirror.

    by Zacapoet on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 11:15:35 AM PDT

  •  Maher is a lightweight - a funny one (0+ / 0-)

    Bill Maher is often funny.  He can deliver the zinger.

    He is not a political pundit, he is no where near a deep thinker, and he is a person who very often lets his personal biases trump all else.

    I am constant amaze3d to see this guy followed here on DKos as though he has some sort of function as a political leader.  He is a comedian who flatters himself to be a philosopher.  

    Sure, he can deliver the scathing remark that hits home.  The scathing remark side of the equation is his strength. The hitting home part is very much hit-or-miss with him.

    Watch him for the funny.  

    Don't panic. Demonstrate.

    by Quicklund on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 05:42:17 PM PDT

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